[Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
More than a couple of decades ago the MGP government in power decided to implement a draconian and treachrous act called Land to the Tiller. In a single swipe many Goans lost their lands to the tillers. This was one of the several measures conducted by this sectarian government in order to get votes. The results were that the tillers became bhatcars. Later it was believed that these lands were sold to builders. Who are the tillers today? It is the indian migrants who come across the borders to Goa. Will they be the new bhatcars? Isn't it time that Goans get back their rightful land? Does any body know about the evacuee property issue? Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
I still cannot understand how can a government issue this land to the tiller act. does that mean tomorrow they can also issue some other act to throw us out from our houses? was this act issued by the congress? due their mismanagement of certain rules and laws according to their whims and wishes congress has lost power. can anyone tell me how can we revert this land to the tiller law so we can get the land which rightfully belongs to us? --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > More than a couple of decades ago the MGP government > in power decided to implement a draconian and > treachrous act called Land to the Tiller. In a > single > swipe many Goans lost their lands to the tillers. > This > was one of the several measures conducted by this > sectarian government in order to get votes. The > results were that the tillers became bhatcars. Later > it was believed that these lands were sold to > builders. Who are the tillers today? It is the > indian > migrants who come across the borders to Goa. Will > they > be the new bhatcars? > > Isn't it time that Goans get back their rightful > land? > Does any body know about the evacuee property issue? > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? > Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Hi Herman, The Land to the Tiller was enacted by the divisive, communal and sectarian government in power called the Maharastrawadi Gomantak Party. They were in power for about 17 years and made every attempt to destroy the Goan catholics. The Act legislated by them is only one example. If today Goans Catholics and Hindus are divided is because of this government. But if not for the Goan catholic contribution today via remmitance from the Gulf, Goa would be an other fishing village like Deogad. Colaco --- Herman D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still cannot understand how can a government issue > this land to the tiller act. does that mean tomorrow > they can also issue some other act to throw us out > from our houses? was this act issued by the > congress? > due their mismanagement of certain rules and laws > according to their whims and wishes congress has > lost > power. can anyone tell me how can we revert this > land > to the tiller law so we can get the land which > rightfully belongs to us? > > > --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More than a couple of decades ago the MGP government > > in power decided to implement a draconian and > > treachrous act called Land to the Tiller. In a > > single > > swipe many Goans lost their lands to the tillers. > > This > > was one of the several measures conducted by this > > sectarian government in order to get votes. The > > results were that the tillers became bhatcars. > Later > > it was believed that these lands were sold to > > builders. Who are the tillers today? It is the > > indian > > migrants who come across the borders to Goa. Will > > they > > be the new bhatcars? > > > > Isn't it time that Goans get back their rightful > > land? > > Does any body know about the evacuee property > issue? > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
When I was young and my dad running the show, he felt sorry for this Hindu family as they had no house of their own. So he let them use this house which was rightfully mine, but being a kid dad thought why not help this family since my son is too young to take possession. So the house was rented out for Rs.25/-p.m. As years went by, this renter got smart and extended the property and sub-rented to some Keralite and took rent of Rs 500/= while still paying us 25/-rupees p.m. My dad came to know about this and after discussing with the renter increased the rent to 100/-rupees since the renter was gaining Rs.400/- after using our own house and paying us 100/-rupees. Now there came a time when this son grew up and wanted the house but to his misfortune the ruling party at that time changed the laws and I was unable to throw these renters out nor did the sub-let illegal construction was demolished. Every year I came down and tried to talk to the father saying that this house belongs to me and that my father in good faith had given to you for living. You in turn made enough money by working and subletting this our property to some other people. But all I could hear was that they have no where to move and if you want the house then you pay us about two lakhs and this was in 1980. To cut the story short, the renter died, his sons took over, another son died young, they bought property and truck and till today I am without my ancestral house. Now I lost my mother and my father and my brother is a lawyer but he says he cant do anything since this is the law. Can someone tell me the logic behind this law? Why is the rightful owner unable to get his own property. Is there any way, besides of-course goondagiri, we can evict this remaining family from my house and have the pleasure of having my house back in good faith? Appreciate your comments and action. Can Mr. Parrikar do something about such people who lost their own property because of change in the laws to suit your own dreams? Wilson Soares Canada --- Herman D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still cannot understand how can a government issue > this land to the tiller act. does that mean tomorrow > they can also issue some other act to throw us out > from our houses? was this act issued by the > congress? > due their mismanagement of certain rules and laws > according to their whims and wishes congress has > lost > power. can anyone tell me how can we revert this > land > to the tiller law so we can get the land which > rightfully belongs to us? > > > --- Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > More than a couple of decades ago the MGP government > > in power decided to implement a draconian and > > treachrous act called Land to the Tiller. In a > > single > > swipe many Goans lost their lands to the tillers. > > This > > was one of the several measures conducted by this > > sectarian government in order to get votes. The > > results were that the tillers became bhatcars. > Later > > it was believed that these lands were sold to > > builders. Who are the tillers today? It is the > > indian > > migrants who come across the borders to Goa. Will > > they > > be the new bhatcars? > > > > Isn't it time that Goans get back their rightful > > land? > > Does any body know about the evacuee property > issue? > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? > > Get the FREE Yahoo! > > Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk > > > > > ## > > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > # > > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to > Goa), > > and avoid top-posts # > > # More details on Goanet at > > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > > reflect respect to others # > > > ## > > > > Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your partner online. > Go to http://yahoo.shaadi.com > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > ## __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
--- Herman D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I still cannot understand how can a government issue > this land to the tiller act. does that mean tomorrow > they can also issue some other act to throw us out > from our houses? was this act issued by the congress? > due their mismanagement of certain rules and laws > according to their whims and wishes congress has lost > power. can anyone tell me how can we revert this land > to the tiller law so we can get the land which > rightfully belongs to us? This Act is meant to redistribute land and abolish the Zamindari system that had plagued India for a quite a while. Specifically, if a landlord has not visited his property in 7 years, then the tiller could petition the district magistrate for this property. This was only one of the many laws that were enacted to abolish the Zamindari system. Another was limiting land ownership to 100 acres. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not know much about Goa!! When the MGP was in power, we did have a strong and vibrant Opposition in the form of the United Goans under the late Dr. Jack De Sequeira. The UG fought for the opinion poll that wanted to keep Goa as an independent state/UT and succeeded. You should remember that UG consisted of many Hindus, like Mr. Babu Naik and Mr. Sarmalkar. In similar fashion MGP had Catholics. The enactment of the Land to the tiller was not directed towards Catholics! If you don't know, there are more Hindu Bhatcars in Goa than Catholics. The assertion of this legislation helping or hurting a particular community is out of question. Goa is not in existence only because of overseas remittances. It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and Catholics live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious divide only through overzealous contributors here, that try to portray a rather grim and melancholy picture! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Herman, The Land to the Tiller was enacted by the divisive, communal and sectarian government in power called the Maharastrawadi Gomantak Party. They were in power for about 17 years and made every attempt to destroy the Goan catholics. The Act legislated by them is only one example. If today Goans Catholics and Hindus are divided is because of this government. But if not for the Goan catholic contribution today via remmitance from the Gulf, Goa would be an other fishing village like Deogad. Colaco _ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Nagesh Bhatcar wrote: > Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a > wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not > know much about Goa!!... > > It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by > making some random, stupid statements > Nagesh Bhatcar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nagesh, I think this is precisely what "Bernard" Colaco has set out to achieve, going by his postings of quite some time now. The goal: get Goanet bogged down in meaningless controversy, inter-religious infighting, bitterness and acrimony, and personal insults and innuendo. Elsewhere on the Net, this attitude would simply be recognised for what it is -- a troll. "Bernado's" post revolve around three or four theses, argued either forthrightly or in a barely-disguised manner: * How wonderful the good old days under the Portuguese were (or, oh how horrible they have turned, post-1961) * Why Catholics deserve victim status in today's Goa * Why journalists in Goa are doing such a terrible job Fact is, "Bernado" doesn't have the courage to speak out in his real identity. It doesn't take much energy to create a yahoo.com identity; yet at the same time if you read all the Goa-related postings on the Net it doesn't take too much guessing who's hiding under this pseudonym. Regardless of the pro's and con's of local tenancy laws, the fact remains that like many aspects of today's Goa, these too remain inadequately understood and seldom researched. Angry and emotion-stoking emails by "Bernado" or whoever are not going to help anyone's understanding of the issue. Attempts to communalise every issue in Goa, and the stoking of minority fears, should be recognised and rejected for what they are. Misunderstandings among Catholics and Hindus in Goa cropped up long, long beyond 1961, and it's time that measures were taken for these to be healed. (It's a myth to believe that the lack of obvious religious strife under colonial rule meant that different groups had good relations and perfect understandings among themselves.) Contrary to what "Bernado" says, there were a lot of tenants who were Catholic too. Needless to say, given the gulf that exists in Goa, any law would hit different segments (and parts of the state) of the population in differing ways. Since migrants abroad, at that time, happened to be mostly Catholic, some of them felt the impact more acutely than other sections of the population. But, besides provocative statements like "Bernado's", have attempts been undertaken for detailed studies of the issues involved? Don't fall for the troll-attempts you seen on Goanet. This forum could be used for more effective and productive communications. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
--- WILSON SOARES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I lost my mother and my father and my brother is a > lawyer but he says he cant do anything since this is > the law. > Can someone tell me the logic behind this law? Why is > the rightful owner unable to get his own property. Is > there any way, besides of-course goondagiri, we can > evict this remaining family from my house and have the > pleasure of having my house back in good faith? Your case is different than the Land to the Tiller Act. Besides, I know of several families in Goa who have, under similar circumstances as yours, approached the court and won a favorable ruling. Yes, it was a long wait, but nevertheless, they got back their rented property. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
The "land to the tiller" was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades were the worst losers. This Act has seen to it that agriculture in Goa is dead. Hats off to any political party which will make this a point in its election manifesto to rid this vile populist Act. Cheers Floriano - Original Message - From: Nagesh Bhatcar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act > Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a > wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not > know much about Goa!! > > When the MGP was in power, we did have a strong and vibrant > Opposition in the form of the United Goans under the late > Dr. Jack De Sequeira. The UG fought for the opinion poll that > wanted to keep Goa as an independent state/UT and succeeded. > You should remember that UG consisted of many Hindus, like Mr. > Babu Naik and Mr. Sarmalkar. In similar fashion MGP had Catholics. > The enactment of the Land to the tiller was not directed towards > Catholics! If you don't know, there are more Hindu Bhatcars in Goa > than Catholics. The assertion of this legislation helping or hurting > a particular community is out of question. > > Goa is not in existence only because of overseas remittances. > > It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by > making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and Catholics > live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious divide only > through overzealous contributors here, that try to portray a > rather grim and melancholy picture! > > Nagesh Bhatcar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
--- Floriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The "land to the tiller" was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. > Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades > were the worst losers. > This Act has seen to it that agriculture in Goa is dead. > Hats off to any political party which will make this a point in its > election manifesto to rid this vile populist Act. > Cheers > Floriano Would you rather have a situation like in Pakistan, where in the absense of land reform, three families, namely the Bhuttos, Legharis and Jatois own 60% of the land (exceeding even the ownership of the Government of Pakistan)? What would the consequence be for the non-landowners? They would forever be at the mercy of the landowner, who could dictate price/rent/share term? -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Well said Nagesh! And Thank You for your post. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA From: "Nagesh Bhatcar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying to present a wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, that do not know much about Goa!! Goa is not in existence only because of overseas remittances. It is people like you, who create a divide among communities by making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and Catholics live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious divide only through overzealous contributors here, that try to portray a rather grim and melancholy picture! Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
The land to the Tiller act as was pointed out by a goanetter is very different from the nebulous one that protects tenants like the one described below by Wilson. As stated by Miguel for all its benefits and all its successes in other states (and here Tariq has a point when he writes about the Zamindaris) the land to the Tiller Act did very little good to anyone expect the few who could usurp land from the Communidades. Ironically although a few deserving tillers did get to keep the lands that they had tilled and toiled over for generations its the many landlords who were 'members' of these communidades or who had a say in its working who were the ones who reaped the bounty! During the building boom many 'green' lands were turned into residential areas by builders and politicians (like corals they live symbiotically!) who in turn fed some detritus to these small time batkars and gaukars who were part of the communidades. Its only as I write this that I realize how similar this set up is to the marine food chain!! Seems like the only one who do any work are the Tillers who unfortunately are at the bottom of the food chain for I haven't heard of anyone getting rich from growing rice in Goa. Perhaps the Mundar act which like many laws has also been abused may have served to ameliorate the disproportionate ownership of land and the homeless got to own their houses and to improve them. I think that is a human right. I say this although my family has been battered and bruised by this law. Its up to the judicial system to make sure that this law which was created precisely to grant a home and respect to every person is not abused. As for Wilson I do sympathize with you and I do hope you get your home back. Oddly, I know of plenty of people in Goa and elsewhere who live in rented apartments especially in cities to which they cling tenaciously much to the despair of their landlords while at the same time cry until they are blue in the face because they are losing their house or land elsewhere. They neither see the humor nor the irony of their situation. And its not only Catholic landlords who are the victims and Hindu who are the land grabbers and Keralites who rent from these unscrupulous sorts - its an abuse of laws that has affected everyone and its up to our judges to understand the laws and to apply them and its up to the government to protect the Communidade lands from the symbionts - Original Message - From: "WILSON SOARES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act > When I was young and my dad running the show, he felt > sorry for this Hindu family as they had no house of > ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Land to the tiller is fine and in fact is laudable. Provided the land continues to be tilled. In case of large holdings, land ceiling (?) is required, acceptable, again, provided cultivable lands remain cultivated. Under Comunidade's system in Goa, not a single piece of cultivable land in Goa was kept fallow. If one failed to cultivate the piece of tenanted land , or the yearly rent was not paid, the piece of land was allotted to another person. At the cut off date, the land of comunidades which remained with the tenants have become theirs to do with them what they like. 90 percent remains fallow today. And we say our agriculture is dead. Floriano - Original Message - From: Tariq Siddiqui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act > > --- Floriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The "land to the tiller" was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. > > Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades > > were the worst losers. > > This Act has seen to it that agriculture in Goa is dead. > > Hats off to any political party which will make this a point in its > > election manifesto to rid this vile populist Act. > > Cheers > > Floriano > > Would you rather have a situation like in Pakistan, where in the absense of land > reform, three families, namely the Bhuttos, Legharis and Jatois own 60% of the land > (exceeding even the ownership of the Government of Pakistan)? > > What would the consequence be for the non-landowners? They would forever be at the > mercy of the landowner, who could dictate price/rent/share term? > > -Tariq ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Tariq Siddiqui wrote: > --- Floriano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The "land to the tiller" was the agrarian catastrophe for Goa. > > Nagesh is right. Land lords of both communities lost. And the Comunidades > > were the worst losers. > > Would you rather have a situation like in Pakistan, where in the absense of land > reform, three families, namely the Bhuttos, Legharis and Jatois own 60% of the land > (exceeding even the ownership of the Government of Pakistan)? > > What would the consequence be for the non-landowners? They would forever be at the > mercy of the landowner, who could dictate price/rent/share term? > > -Tariq I'm not sure we're clear what we're talking about. There still is *no* land ceiling act in Goa as of date, even though chief ministers like Pratapsing Rane have been talking about implementing this since the eighties! Both the land-to-the-tiller and tenancy acts obviously have their loopholes and flaws. There were political agendas behind drafting these, including that of creating vote-banks, part of the democratic process anywhere it could be argued. There have been losers and gainers too, just with many other laws during the MGP, Congress, BJP and even Portuguese regimes. But without a proper study to build up bias over such moves with an intention of promoting certain agendas, is a bit rich! FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Hi Tariq, Thanks for your tip. But I live in Canada, do you think its possible I stand a chance now. I am not so sure how the courts work but I remember before, if the lawyer had a party to go the case was postponed. Is the same trend prevailing in Goa now? Well, will give it a shot. Wilson __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
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--- WILSON SOARES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Tariq, > Thanks for your tip. But I live in Canada, do you > think its possible I stand a chance now. I am not so > sure how the courts work but I remember before, if the > lawyer had a party to go the case was postponed. Is > the same trend prevailing in Goa now? > Well, will give it a shot. > Wilson Possibly yes. You will to have a dedicated lawyer to fight your case and pay him a lot of money (to keep him dedicated). A cheaper and quicker option would be to hire a few goondas. I am not advocating any violence, just letting you know your options:) -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Senhor Sri Naguexa, Yes there are more hindu bhatcars who own large tracts of land in form of mines innit? In 1979 your famous silver haired minister from the MGP openly challenged the Catholics for a fight! Let me reiterate, if not for the Gulf remmitance there would be no posorkars in Goa. Colaco --- Nagesh Bhatcar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, here you go again Mr. Colaco! You are trying > to present a > wrong picture of Goa and Goans to those on Goanet, > that do not > know much about Goa!! > > When the MGP was in power, we did have a strong and > vibrant > Opposition in the form of the United Goans under the > late > Dr. Jack De Sequeira. The UG fought for the opinion > poll that > wanted to keep Goa as an independent state/UT and > succeeded. > You should remember that UG consisted of many > Hindus, like Mr. > Babu Naik and Mr. Sarmalkar. In similar fashion MGP > had Catholics. > The enactment of the Land to the tiller was not > directed towards > Catholics! If you don't know, there are more Hindu > Bhatcars in Goa > than Catholics. The assertion of this legislation > helping or hurting > a particular community is out of question. > > Goa is not in existence only because of overseas > remittances. > > It is people like you, who create a divide among > communities by > making some random, stupid statements. Hindus and > Catholics > live in Goa in good harmony. One see the religious > divide only > through overzealous contributors here, that try to > portray a > rather grim and melancholy picture! > > Nagesh Bhatcar > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >From: Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Goans need to come TOGETHER to fight a common problem. The.Formation ( Goan oveseas * Bhatkars * - : ) of a .. NRI / NRG -Goan organistion could help to address such problems. I thoought i d share my thoughtsas I know of many Non-resident Goans who would love to come together to work to get their properties back in Goa. TOGETHER we can make it HAPPEN. rene WWW.GOADAY.COM 000 - Original Message - From: "Tariq Siddiqui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act > > --- WILSON SOARES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Tariq, > > Thanks for your tip. But I live in Canada, do you > > think its possible I stand a chance now. I am not so > > sure how the courts work but I remember before, if the > > lawyer had a party to go the case was postponed. Is > > the same trend prevailing in Goa now? > > Well, will give it a shot. > > Wilson > > Possibly yes. You will to have a dedicated lawyer to fight your case and pay him a > lot of money (to keep him dedicated). A cheaper and quicker option would be to hire > a few goondas. I am not advocating any violence, just letting you know your > options:) > > -Tariq > > > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # > ## ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, [iso-8859-1] Bernado Colaco wrote: > Senhor Sri Naguexa, > > Yes there are more hindu bhatcars who own large tracts > of land in form of mines innit? In 1979 your famous > silver haired minister from the MGP openly challenged > the Catholics for a fight! > > Let me reiterate, if not for the Gulf remmitance there > would be no posorkars in Goa. > > Colaco "Bernado", Can't you discuss an issue without dragging religion into it, and that too, by making derrogatory references to others? I guess not; at least as long as you have the cover of fake identities, psuedonyms and Macau proxy servers, innit? FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
Fred and others: Why do you all waste your time responding to these garbage e-mails? That is all the sender wants - reaction - and we give it to him in spades. And that just re-fuels his warped mind. Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 10:24:57 +0530 (IST) On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, [iso-8859-1] Bernado Colaco wrote: > Senhor Sri Naguexa, > > Yes there are more hindu bhatcars who own large tracts > of land in form of mines innit? In 1979 your famous > silver haired minister from the MGP openly challenged > the Catholics for a fight! > > Let me reiterate, if not for the Gulf remmitance there > would be no posorkars in Goa. > > Colaco "Bernado", Can't you discuss an issue without dragging religion into it, and that too, by making derrogatory references to others? I guess not; at least as long as you have the cover of fake identities, psuedonyms and Macau proxy servers, innit? FN _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Land to the Owner's Act
There are clear differences in opinions between the hindus and catholics. Pre 61 saw an united front for independence where even hindus were in favour. The hidden agenda has come to the fore front only after the invasion of Goan. Goans have seen it all after democracy was pushed down our throats. Be it in the camp of Education, Language, History and jobs Goan catholics have taken a battering.If I am wrong please aks Chandrakant Keni the almighty Saviour of Goa. Colaco > > > >"Bernado", Can't you discuss an issue without > dragging religion into it, > >and that too, by making derrogatory references to > others? I guess not; at > >least as long as you have the cover of fake > identities, psuedonyms and > >Macau proxy servers, innit? FN > > _ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ## > # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > # > # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), > and avoid top-posts # > # More details on Goanet at > http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # > # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to > reflect respect to others # > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
