Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, Eddie Fernandes wrote: Fred, You are trying the defend the indefensible. The issue behind all this (back to square one) is whether it is reasonable for Floriano to question, in this forum, the wisdom of using the term Mhapsa without being subject to a tirade of abuse. Yes or No? Eddie aka Edward aka Ed aka BIG 'ED (and before you ask, the last is Cockney for Big Head!) I didn't get involved at that stage of the debate... To me, this Pangim-Panaji-Panjim-Ponnje debate, and how we respond to it, is something which has been attention-catching for some time now. This point has been made by me earlier too. If I'm debating it here, it's because I am myself trying to understand the many shades of the debate, and what perspectives it could be understood from. My intention wasn't to support/defend Miguel or Floriano, but to debate this issue of names. For a change, I share a perspective with CecilP, though he has a stand on Minguel's response too. As for myself, I would say that what I feel about the Floriano-Miguel debate is irrelevant (and Miguel's response in particular). Let each reader decide for himself or herself. FN aka Frederick Noronha aka Fred aka Rico (if we can have such a confusing collection, why can't an inanimate city?) ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Fred, You are trying the defend the indefensible. The issue behind all this (back to square one) is whether it is reasonable for Floriano to question, in this forum, the wisdom of using the term Mhapsa without being subject to a tirade of abuse. Yes or No? Eddie aka Edward aka Ed aka BIG 'ED (and before you ask, the last is Cockney for Big Head!) - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names Hang on George, don't deny us the chance of beating you with a valid point... The issue of the cheque (doesn't matter if it's a check, as long as it spells money) is another issue. I doubt the problem was because of the spelling of Panjim/Panaji. It probably was because of the use of the term Panjim Municipality when, in fact, the civic body had got upgraded recently to being the Corporation of the City of Panaji (or Panjim). These, you would accept, are two different entities. Yes, the lethargy/delays over printing new receipt-books remains... but that's another issue. FN ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Hang on George, don't deny us the chance of beating you with a valid point... The issue of the cheque (doesn't matter if it's a check, as long as it spells money) is another issue. I doubt the problem was because of the spelling of Panjim/Panaji. It probably was because of the use of the term Panjim Municipality when, in fact, the civic body had got upgraded recently to being the Corporation of the City of Panaji (or Panjim). These, you would accept, are two different entities. Yes, the lethargy/delays over printing new receipt-books remains... but that's another issue. FN On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, George Pinto wrote: Cecil Frederick I think you are mixing two issues. On the one hand, their are descriptive names for places (or people for that matter) which evolve over time and are sometimes based on complex histories. So it is not unusual for a place to have many variants not simply by language as both of you point out (hardly an issue), but over time. That is not my concern. In fact, it would not bother me if someone referred to Panjim as Pooli or Siolim as Colva as long as I understood what they meant. In their world such fantastic usages may work. The issue as I see it, is having an official name so the business of the city can be conducted. Take for example, Eddie's issue with the cheque. What if he wanted to make it payable to the City of Ponde and wanted the Panjim clerk to accept it. By your logic, she should. What if she decided that he should write the cheque to City of Party? Should the bank accept such a cheque into the city's account? Should there not be any common standard? This is my last email on this topic. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Cities with different names
Cecil Frederick I think you are mixing two issues. On the one hand, their are descriptive names for places (or people for that matter) which evolve over time and are sometimes based on complex histories. So it is not unusual for a place to have many variants not simply by language as both of you point out (hardly an issue), but over time. That is not my concern. In fact, it would not bother me if someone referred to Panjim as Pooli or Siolim as Colva as long as I understood what they meant. In their world such fantastic usages may work. The issue as I see it, is having an official name so the business of the city can be conducted. Take for example, Eddie's issue with the cheque. What if he wanted to make it payable to the City of Ponde and wanted the Panjim clerk to accept it. By your logic, she should. What if she decided that he should write the cheque to City of Party? Should the bank accept such a cheque into the city's account? Should there not be any common standard? This is my last email on this topic. George --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are internationally known German cities. If they can manage with variations in the spelling of their names, why can't we? In almost any country, specially those that were once colonised, you will find variations in the way a city name is spelt. As long as it does not cause any major problems I feel we should let it be. There is a richness in diversity. --- Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try to push for one over the other probably betrays a hegemonistic attitude. Anyway, that's how life is... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
