Re: [Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament
Dear Teo,
I am not a genio like you to publish fake history. My
Portugues does not go alem da quarta classe. But thank
deus you are now changing. We now need the Portugas
innit?
B. Colaco
P.S.: I had intentions of writing a story called 'Um
besta da historiador'. I have now called it off.
--- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Dear Bernado,
>
> Your reply is once again of the usual flippant
> nature, pretending that you
> have already read everything.
>
> Instead of making a generic statement that there we
> many on goanet who
> wrote on the issue of slavery, could you name one
> single contributor who
> was as bold ("atrevido" as the Portuguese would say)
> as to say that "We
> were all slaves for 5 centuries" (quoting your
> message of 23 Feb 2005 on
> goanet)? "We" and "all" implies something very
> different from the
> existence and traffic of slavery.
>
> As for slavery in Goa till its official abolition in
> the mid 19th century,
> I presume that you have already read about it in
> my writings! If you did
> not, you are one of those "ignorantes atrevidos". As
> to what I have to say
> about slavery "today", I would leave it to
> non-historians like you. I did
> not know also that historians need to "defend" any
> truth as you seem to
> suggest. They can only help to reconstruct the past
> to the best of their
> ability and limitations of evidence available.
>
>
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[Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament*
I will make only three small comments to what Teotonio R. de Souza wrote. Re «Who could have elected those after 1961? Do you know of a lady Albuqurque from your village and who was one of those non-elected representatives?»: Goans who were residing in Portugal or any of the so-called Portuguese "overseas provinces" (Angola, Mozambique, etc.) and wished to vote, could choose to vote either on a "candidate" who stood for the constituency where the voter resided or on a "candidate" who stood for the "Estado da India". Of course, all these "candidates" were put forward by Salazar's party "Uniao Nacional". It is in this way that the Albuquerque lady was "elected" as "deputada pelo Estado da India". Re «I do not know of any Hindus, even after the Republic of 1910, who occupied any place in the Portuguese parliament as representatives of Portuguese India. Narana Coissoró is a post.1974 phenomenon!»: At the time of the December 1961 events that led to the integration of Goa, Daman and Diu in the Republic of India, Purxotoma Quenim was one of the two representatives of the "Estado da India" in the Portuguese Parliament. I don't know who was the other one - maybe Mgr. Canon Castilho de Noronha. - As for Narana Coissoro, in the recent elections he was made to stand as his (Christian Democrats) party's candidate for Faro (Algarve), a district where that party was always conspicuous by its absence. He failed. So Coissoro is now out of Parliament. Re «As for Goans in the regional assemblies, there was one Abel Fernandes, who held power in the Evora muncipality during three decades till a couple of years back. He belonged to the Communist party. I do not know of any other who left a mark»: The correct name is Abilio Fernandes. I understand (though I am not sure) that now he was elected MP for the district of Evora, on the Communist Party list. Jorge
[Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament
Dear Bernado,
Your reply is once again of the usual flippant nature, pretending that you
have already read everything.
Instead of making a generic statement that there we many on goanet who
wrote on the issue of slavery, could you name one single contributor who
was as bold ("atrevido" as the Portuguese would say) as to say that "We
were all slaves for 5 centuries" (quoting your message of 23 Feb 2005 on
goanet)? "We" and "all" implies something very different from the
existence and traffic of slavery.
As for slavery in Goa till its official abolition in the mid 19th century,
I presume that you have already read about it in my writings! If you did
not, you are one of those "ignorantes atrevidos". As to what I have to say
about slavery "today", I would leave it to non-historians like you. I did
not know also that historians need to "defend" any truth as you seem to
suggest. They can only help to reconstruct the past to the best of their
ability and limitations of evidence available.
As to what is being done to promote Portuguese language in Goa, may be you
could start setting an example! I started organizing Portuguese language
courses twice a year at XCHR in Porvorim since its inception in 1979 and
they are still continued (if I am not mistaken). What have you done for it?
Could we read any of your published texts in Portuguese please?
Teotonio R. de Souza
---
Bernado Colaco
Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:06:33 -0800
Teotonio, I wonder what is there to pick and choose
from you historical writings As
for 5 centuries of slavery there are many who have
contributed to this statement on this list. You have
never come forward to defend the truth as a histo.
Where do we stand today (in relation to Goa)? Some
have brilliant ideas to step up shop with the
Portuguese lanuguage talent. What Portuguese talent
since 1961?
B. Colaco
Re: [Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament*
Teotonio, I wonder what is there to pick and choose from you historical writings. The anti rethoric is the same. I am glad that your colours are now changing. As for 5 centuries of slavery there are many who have contributed to this statement on this list. You have never come forward to defend the truth as a histo. Where do we stand today (in relation to Goa)? Some have brilliant ideas to step up shop with the Portuguese lanuguage talent. What Portuguese talent since 1961? B. Colaco --- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bernado, thank you for your response. But may I > request you to stop > choosing only what suits your tastes? ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament*
Bernado, thank you for your response. But may I request you to stop choosing only what suits your tastes? It is important to look with equanimity at the positive and the negative sides of any reality. I wish you had the time (and an open mind above all) to read my writings in their totality. Stop picking and choosing bits and pieces. My bibliographical link below could help you or anyone else interested to trace all my writings from 1972 till today. You will see that since 1995 (following my arrival in Portugal) I have written much in Portuguese and in Portugal. In today's globalized world the access to texts is easy anywhere in the world. Only some nutty "two-tone" theorists (defenders of "one tone") can believe otherwise and keep entertaining the rag-pickers like themselves! Only red rags seem to catch their eye. Perhaps an Iberian tradition of "touradas" (bull-fights) in such preference for one tone?! Real life is made of many tones and many colours. Let us not divest it from its rich and colourful diversity. http:// www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503/teo_publ.pdf Teotonio R. de Souza P.S. Please let me benefit from your knowledge and wisdom: Let me know where exactly you learnt that "we were all slaves for 5 centuries". Or is it just one more of your over-statements of frustration resulting from some ill-digested readings? -- Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:42:22 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet]New research on * Goan MP's in the Portuguese Parliament* To: goanet@goanet.org Reply-To: goanet@goanet.org What lovely, jubley comments Teotonio! Who has been behind the *ad nauseam* messages on goanet? We were all slaves for 5 centuries innit?
