Re: [Goanet]Re: Outside the group
--- Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally would agree with the view that when it comes to marriage, Indians in general (and this includes all castes and creeds) are among the most prejudiced of all people. Even using the examples Fred gives (Gujrati with Punjabi etc.), there are very few people who marry outside their own group, usually their own little sub-caste. I quite agree to a point. The issues faced by Fijians of Indian descent prove it - the not-so-past political incidents in Fiji was as a result of Indians not mixing freely and identifying themselves with the local population even generations after their settlement. A recent documentary described a situation when a mistake was made in the maternity ward in Fiji, with the Indian child going to a Fijian couple, and a Fijian child to the Indian couple - the child with the Indian couple and the Indian mother were ostracised by the rest of the clan for obvious reasons. I don't know how these situations are in Surinam - there is a sizeable Indian population there. On the other hand, I have been told by a Brazilian girl that her great grand-father was a Goan who was married to an Ethiopian. Whether this is true or not I have no means to prove. Also, there is at least one Goan family who has had African ancestors. Cheers, Gabriel de Figueiredo. Melbourne - Goa. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: Outside the group
Vidyadhar, Some 5,000 years ago, we Indians wrote the manual on how to discriminate, so it is ironic when we complain about the discrimination practiced by others. However, I have noticed that young Indians in urban areas are marrying ouside the group in growing numbers, which probably reflects developments in education, westernization and globalization. However prejudices remain strong as the recent honor killing of a young Punjabi girl by her father because she was determined to marry a Caucasian boy in British Columbia in Canada demonstrates. A similar incident was reported out of England recently. The issue of preferences based on skin color is a curious cultural phenomenon based on the notion that lighter skinned people look better than darker skinned people. In the US, where many blacks have lighter skins due to cultural blending over the years, the lighter skinned blacks are socially prejudiced against the darker skinned blacks. I think the lesson is that discrimination is a part of human nature and requires mental and social conditioning and a constant and conscious effort to avoid. --- Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally would agree with the view that when it comes to marriage, Indians in general (and this includes all castes and creeds) are among the most prejudiced of all people. Even using the examples Fred gives (Gujrati with Punjabi etc.), there are very few people who marry outside their own group, usually their own little sub-caste. To some extent, the view that, if blacks were affluent etc. people would be willing, is true, but forget about queuing up. Most feel that their own little sub-caste is superior to all, and will not consider marrying outside it. I have asked this question before. How many Goans are married to Negroes/Blacks? As compared to Goans married to Caucasians or Mongoloids? (I hope I'm using the correct racial terms- but you know what I mean) Does say something about our prejudices doesn't it? Cecil Of course, who says we Goans don't have a racist tinge to our attitudes? On the other hand, if Blacks (negroes is pejorative in many parts of the planet) were very affluent, and defined what beauty meant, I guess a lot of us would be queueing up for matrimonial alliances ;-) FN -- Question everything - Karl Marx
[Goanet]Re: Outside the group
I personally would agree with the view that when it comes to marriage, Indians in general (and this includes all castes and creeds) are among the most prejudiced of all people. Even using the examples Fred gives (Gujrati with Punjabi etc.), there are very few people who marry outside their own group, usually their own little sub-caste. To some extent, the view that, if blacks were affluent etc. people would be willing, is true, but forget about queuing up. Most feel that their own little sub-caste is superior to all, and will not consider marrying outside it. I have asked this question before. How many Goans are married to Negroes/Blacks? As compared to Goans married to Caucasians or Mongoloids? (I hope I'm using the correct racial terms- but you know what I mean) Does say something about our prejudices doesn't it? Cecil Of course, who says we Goans don't have a racist tinge to our attitudes? On the other hand, if Blacks (negroes is pejorative in many parts of the planet) were very affluent, and defined what beauty meant, I guess a lot of us would be queueing up for matrimonial alliances ;-) FN -- Question everything - Karl Marx
[Goanet]RE: Outside the group?
I hope the Blacks become affluent and redefine the connotation of beauty. Joshua has a friend who is Black and seems to like her.-:) I am sure your matrimonial flyer, in years to come, will be flooded for Black beauties.-:) Marrying a fair skin characteristically makes me a racist.-:) Avelino Bastora/Kuwait Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, who says we Goans don't have a racist tinge to our attitudes? On the other hand, if Blacks (negroes is pejorative in many parts of the planet) were very affluent, and defined what beauty meant, I guess a lot of us would be queueing up for matrimonial alliances ;-) FN
Re: Re: [Goanet]Re: Outside the group?
Of course, we are all racist, aren't we? And notions of race, class, caste and definitions of 'acceptability' are all linked in some way, isn't it? I think we should shift from discussing caste to talking about 'claste' (class + caste). FN - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] if Blacks ... defined what beauty meant, I guess a lot of us would be queueing up for matrimonial alliances ;-) Phew! Pardon me but your slip is showing Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet]Re: Outside the group?
I have asked this question before. How many Goans are married to Negroes/Blacks? As compared to Goans married to Caucasians or Mongoloids? (I hope I'm using the correct racial terms- but you know what I mean) Does say something about our prejudices doesn't it? Cecil Of course, who says we Goans don't have a racist tinge to our attitudes? On the other hand, if Blacks (negroes is pejorative in many parts of the planet) were very affluent, and defined what beauty meant, I guess a lot of us would be queueing up for matrimonial alliances ;-) FN
