Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments -- And Tariq's Ducking
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariq Bhai: Now, who's ducking, OR did that open up a 'raw' nerve? Why invite someone else to be your guest, and risk Fatwa, when you are eminently competent and qualified to respond, based upon your earlier assertion? What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander -- it is certainly not a matter of getting ticked off. Like the absent-minded professor who posted this bold profanity on the subject line, you too can likewise question your own professed faith: I do not understand what you say. But perhaps, you do not understand what I had said. Do you think if anyone questioned the basis of Islamic faith, they would be the first? No, this has been questioned from the day the Prophet Muhammed said that he was the messenger of God. This is an ongoing process that cements the faith of some and dissolves the faith of others. The point here is, questioning religious faith, scientifically of otherwise, does not diminish the faith of the believers, unless they themselves have doubts of their faith. As Rohit/Rahul Shukla said, how would I feel about discussing, scientifically, how Allah (God) could have spoken the Koran into Muhammed's ear? I really do not have any answer to him, because there is no way I can prove that this event ever occured. So he can question this event using what ever method he chooses and draw any conclusion he chooses. I cannot refute his conclusions except to say that my faith remains unshaken and I affirm in my belief that this event did take place. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! *** ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments -- And Tariq's Ducking
In a message dated 08/14/2003 2:44:17 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Rohit Shukla wrote: If that is the case, how about discussing, scientifically, how Allah (God) could have spoken the Koran into Muhammed's ear? Be my guest. For me, that is not an issue of science, but rather of faith. You seem to get ticked off for the wrong reasons. -Tariq Tariq Bhai: Now, who's ducking, OR did that open up a 'raw' nerve? Why invite someone else to be your guest, and risk Fatwa, when you are eminently competent and qualified to respond, based upon your earlier assertion? What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander -- it is certainly not a matter of getting ticked off. Like the absent-minded professor who posted this bold profanity on the subject line, you too can likewise question your own professed faith: Subj: [Goanet]Did Jesus Exist? Date: 08/04/2003 4:32:37 PM EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Pinto) Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I chanced upon this website, it may or may interest some Goanet readers. Forwarding without comment, see http://www.didjesusexist.com/ I know that the Quran acknowledges Jesus (Hazrat Isa) as a prophet and yet you chose to write thus earlier: In a message dated 08/12/2003 2:59:52 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There may be NO NEED for you to discuss it. That doesn't mean that the whole world cannot discuss it. It becomes a tad bit antagonistic on your part when you assume the position of net-cop and net-pope and decide what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aren't you now talking from both sides of your mouth, science or faith, net-cop or net-mullah notwithstanding? It was wonderful seeing this slogan daily in Karachi's Dawn newspaper: Be Bold, Proclaim the Truth, They Only Live who Dare. I challenge you, Tariq, to face the truth and make a proclamation affirming your faith. We are all judged by Allah or God, true believers in the One and True Book. The 'whole world' may be enlightened reading your point of view. Khuda Hafiz: Pat de Sousa Maryland, USA PS: We, who believe in life after death, have something we really look forward to. Doubt this would apply to 'fanto'sh hel.. who for the second time changed my last name from de Sousa to D'Souza on August 5. Once a mistake, second time 'tis ??? PPS: Excerpt from Lino's Amchem Goem for Goa Day: Hindu-Kristanv Musolman bhavanche Sontosan jietat Goenkar soglle ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments
-Mr. Siddiqui, Let's get to know what the problem is here, it is not with you sir, nor Mr. Pinto nor Mr. Vaz nor Vivek, the problem is the presentation of the issue on the web, hatred behaviour, egoistic attitude, tempers flare, all not for the solution of the issue but for further damage. Mr. Siddiqui you are right to say, that we are free to talk about it and so the whole world, but like minded respectable gentlemen like you would agree with me that if a topic is discussed for the positive purpose and not the way it was being discussed it is ones moral right to say let's stop. Its like saying if you know that a disease has spread in your legs, and now it is spreading throughout you would react at the earliest to stop it. The issue of religion is not a disease , but to be taken note and understand it carefully, what does the other side mean. Mr. Siddiqui with the highest respect to you sir, religion issues should be respected with highest regard, freedom of speech is good provided it is not misused. Mr. Siddiqui today it is jesus tommorrow it could be some other religion before the web gets confused reports by some other person it is time to say no to no and yes to yes. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Joe Vaz wrote: Prof. George Pinto: With due respect to you sir, there is NO NEED to discuss whether Jesus existed or not. Christianity is firmly founded and rooted in Christs existence. There may be NO NEED for you to discuss it. That doesn't mean that the whole world cannot discuss it. It becomes a tad bit antagonistic on your part when you assume the position of net-cop and net-pope and decide what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! *** ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Rohit Shukla wrote: If that is the case, how about discussing, scientifically, how Allah (God) could have spoken the Koran into Muhammed's ear? Be my guest. For me, that is not an issue of science, but rather of faith. You seem to get ticked off for the wrong reasons. -Tariq ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments
Dear Mr. Siddiqui, One is free to discuss the topic RELIGION , bearing in mind what he/she wants to discuss, if it is something which is confusing, then one must stop it before it confuses you and the rest or you get confused in it.Religion is a wide subject. About you agreeing with Mr. George it is your own opinion and no one can change it unless otherwise. Mr. Siddiqui I am not here to question the faith of believers and non believers ,i was trying to end this issue by getting the heads and minds together in a more loving way , where peace and harmony prevails in the hearts of everyone, not mudslinging . SOme of them have been really polite and respectful on this topic but some have failed to understand the essence of this topic.Mr. Siddiqui think for a moment , if this topic has no end and each other starts character assasinating on the web , and secondly if Mr. Siddiqui is trying to pacify those who are not compromising and trying to end this once and for all in the best interest in the name of Jesus what will give you peace the non ending issue or resolve the matter? God bless you Mr. Siddiqui. Vivek --- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] vivek araujo wrote: -Mr. Siddiqui, Let's get to know what the problem is here, it is not with you sir, nor Mr. Pinto nor Mr. Vaz nor Vivek, the problem is the presentation of the issue on the web, hatred behaviour, egoistic attitude, tempers flare, all not for the solution of the issue but for further damage. Mr. Siddiqui you are right to say, that we are free to talk about it and so the whole world, but like minded respectable gentlemen like you would agree with me that if a topic is discussed for the positive purpose and not the way it was being discussed it is ones moral right to say let's stop. Its like saying if you know that a disease has spread in your legs, and now it is spreading throughout you would react at the earliest to stop it. The issue of religion is not a disease , but to be taken note and understand it carefully, what does the other side mean. Mr. Siddiqui with the highest respect to you sir, religion issues should be respected with highest regard, freedom of speech is good provided it is not misused. Mr. Siddiqui today it is jesus tommorrow it could be some other religion before the web gets confused reports by some other person it is time to say no to no and yes to yes. So in other words, we should not discuss religion because it could confuse the beliefs of some people? If such is the case, then you should question the faith of those people who get confused by such discussions. I personally, would not be confused by George's forwarded website. -- Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Rockets Lover! Laker Hater !!! *** ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments
Vivek, I am glad to know that you were able to overcome your stomach problems through your remedies you described below. I too know of a person who had an almost similar experience. This person was suffering from cancer. After very limited success with conventional treatments (chemo, radiation ...), he/his family was influenced by friends to followed your prescribed prescription (holy water, sprinkled with generous doses of hail marys, our fathers etc). Within a month he was feeling better and discarded his conventional treatments. Praise the lord, he was cured! Unfortunately for him, two months later, he was dead. Fortunately his friends were able to zoom in on the probable root cause of his premature exit from this world: god's ways are not our ways, they said. Perhaps, they said, god took him back at such a tender age because he was a good and an innocent person and had a clean heart. Anyway Vivek, now that your stomach is cured, I hope you can digest on this and give us your thoughts on this episode. To me the moral of the story is: If you want to go to heaven, try and get fatally ill or injured while you are still a child. Furthermore, parents should assist their children in this endeavor if they cannot do it for themselves! Marlon --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. George, You do not have to feel sorry, it was just one of those petty issues and I have forgotten it and you too forget it. But before I go off lemme relate you a true incident which Happened to me some years back. Sorry for taxing your time on this . Some years back I developed a stomach upset, went on for weeks and months attended the best and worst doc's prescribed many things but the result was nil, so many diagnosis xyz kept on taking tablets, tests and on the other hand I was shrinking in size . Amonth and a half passed by, my driver saw my condition andtold me sir I think these doc's are taking you for a ride let me take you to a friend who will help you, we entered a small house an old lady stood near the door, related m;y story to her, she made me kneel to recite three hail mary our father and hail holy queen gave me some holy water and requested that I pray the rosary , went home and prayed the rosary with faith ,tears rolled down my eyes and I could feel the touch of the Good lord who as though touched me and said I heal you in the name of lord , had some holy water, and the next morning till date I never had a problem. Hence I know that god exists many miracles have occured to me and my friends and that is why we all have to be grateful for his laurels. I cannot complain neither criticise others for what theydo or talk, but for god sake anything but religion let it not be an issue till you accept god by talking tohim, accepting him and feeling him. I wish the best for you as well as those on the other side, God will take care of everyone. God bless you always. Vivek ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vivek Araujos Comments
Feast of our lady of assumption on 15th August, and today is the feast of our lady of Refuge of Sinners. Happy feast to all.21st August our lady of Knoc Ireland, 22nd August Immaculate Heart of Mary,Queenship of Mary octave of the Assumption. God bless. Vivek --- marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vivek, I am glad to know that you were able to overcome your stomach problems through your remedies you described below. I too know of a person who had an almost similar experience. This person was suffering from cancer. After very limited success with conventional treatments (chemo, radiation ...), he/his family was influenced by friends to followed your prescribed prescription (holy water, sprinkled with generous doses of hail marys, our fathers etc). Within a month he was feeling better and discarded his conventional treatments. Praise the lord, he was cured! Unfortunately for him, two months later, he was dead. Fortunately his friends were able to zoom in on the probable root cause of his premature exit from this world: god's ways are not our ways, they said. Perhaps, they said, god took him back at such a tender age because he was a good and an innocent person and had a clean heart. Anyway Vivek, now that your stomach is cured, I hope you can digest on this and give us your thoughts on this episode. To me the moral of the story is: If you want to go to heaven, try and get fatally ill or injured while you are still a child. Furthermore, parents should assist their children in this endeavor if they cannot do it for themselves! Marlon --- vivek araujo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. George, You do not have to feel sorry, it was just one of those petty issues and I have forgotten it and you too forget it. But before I go off lemme relate you a true incident which Happened to me some years back. Sorry for taxing your time on this . Some years back I developed a stomach upset, went on for weeks and months attended the best and worst doc's prescribed many things but the result was nil, so many diagnosis xyz kept on taking tablets, tests and on the other hand I was shrinking in size . Amonth and a half passed by, my driver saw my condition andtold me sir I think these doc's are taking you for a ride let me take you to a friend who will help you, we entered a small house an old lady stood near the door, related m;y story to her, she made me kneel to recite three hail mary our father and hail holy queen gave me some holy water and requested that I pray the rosary , went home and prayed the rosary with faith ,tears rolled down my eyes and I could feel the touch of the Good lord who as though touched me and said I heal you in the name of lord , had some holy water, and the next morning till date I never had a problem. Hence I know that god exists many miracles have occured to me and my friends and that is why we all have to be grateful for his laurels. I cannot complain neither criticise others for what theydo or talk, but for god sake anything but religion let it not be an issue till you accept god by talking tohim, accepting him and feeling him. I wish the best for you as well as those on the other side, God will take care of everyone. God bless you always. Vivek ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
