Re: [Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify their caste?
I am trying hard to work on my tan in Goa, Pune and Mumbai, and to make a dent in the total inventory of caju feni, cafreal, sorpotel and sannas, only to have my pleasant experiences tarnished by the continued attempt by a couple of Goanetters to obfuscate, deflect and dilute the diabolical issue of caste among Cahtholic Goans with the most disingenious bovine excrement I have seen in a long time. However, it has restored my faith in humanity that every Catholic Goanetter who mercilessly beat me verbally across the head and shoulders when I was defending the attempt to provide freedom and democracy for downtrodden Iraqis, like Jose, Cornel, Sib, George, Gabriel, et. al. agree with me 100% on the issue of providing freedom for all Catholic Goans from the diabolical and psychologically destructive caste system. Teotonio's attempt is a classic, with the curious and totally illogical attempt to make OUR castes an issue that he would like to read something into. I frankly have no idea what the caste may have been of most of my Catholic Goan friends and relatives, and if I learn it by accident or from an older relative, it goes in one ear and out the other, usually after some nasty comment to the person who makes the mention. Teotonio, regardless of our individual castes, our common goal is to destroy the caste system, root and branch. What about this do you and any other Catholic Goanetter who makes excuses for the system, or is luke warm in opposing it, fail understand? With apologies to Martin Luther KIng, Jr. "Why can't we judge people by the content of their character, not by the caste of their ancestors 450 years ago." George Pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > GL's line of argument comparing the action of > Gandhi, Mother Theresa and American > > black civil rights campaigners is more in sync > with Christ's Incarnation, > > the rock base of Christianity. > > GL's line of argument is illogical and wrong. One > does not need to be a woman or become a woman > to fight sexism, a senior-citizen to fight ageism, a > "chardo" to fight the caste system, etc. >
[Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify their caste?
--- "Teotonio R. de Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > GL's line of argument comparing the action of Gandhi, Mother Theresa and > American > black civil rights campaigners is more in sync with Christ's Incarnation, > the rock base of Christianity. GL's line of argument is illogical and wrong. One does not need to be a woman or become a woman to fight sexism, a senior-citizen to fight ageism, a "chardo" to fight the caste system, etc. > Goanetters who are ashamed and reluctant to publicly admit the caste label > they have > inherited will never be taken seriously in their anti-caste campaign for such > a basic lack of > courage! I do not see if one does not accept the caste system and labels, how one is ashamed and reluctant. Perhaps, more rightly, goanetters who do not play the caste game are progressive and have moved on from petty, social constructs which have no place or justification in human conduct. > All their brave arguments seem futile and mere alibis. Some even said they > are dalits! Please do not do a Gilbert Lawrence on us and misquote or misrepresent views. Here is the exact quote "I identify with the most discriminated group - the dalits. I see the oppression they have suffered and suffer. Unfortunately I cannot do more to help now but I am concerned about justice which includes fighting the caste system." Identifying with the oppression of a group does not mean I said I am a dalit. I identify with the woman's movement and struggle for justice. I am not a woman. I identify with the African-American's fight for racial justice. I am not African-American. Etc. > I wish these "dalit" (bamonn/chardde) goanet campaigners will have an > opportunity to welcome > as in-laws persons "known in the society" to belong to low-castes or > outcastes. The issue is not simply one of in-laws but society-at-large. I reject the caste system, so there is no question about whether someone belongs to "low-castes or outcastes". We are equal. I know for some Goans this is difficult concept to grasp and accept. Regards, George
[Goanet]Re: Will the anti-casters identify their caste?
Dear Cornel and Gilbert: I did not expect my intervention to provoke a mini-tsunami that has washed away the caste labels of sevceral goanet anti-caste campaigners! GL's line of argument comparing the action of Gandhi, Mother Theresa and American black civil rights campaigners is more in sync with Christ's Incarnation, the rock base of Christianity. Those on the goanet claiming their "Catholic" affiliation seem to pay only a lip service to this. St Paul wrote that Christ by becoming man emptied himself! The word he used in Greek seems much stronger than the english equivalent: He became "dung"! St. Paul himself would say that he too became all things to all men to save some! Goanetters who are ashamed and reluctant to publicly admit the caste label they have inherited will never be taken seriously in their anti-caste campaign for such a basic lack of courage! All their brave arguments seem futile and mere alibis. Some even said they are dalits! Dalits would take as an added insult such a cock-and-bull story. They may take me more seriously and welcome my bit of collaboration if I start by admitting that I did nothing to be considered a "brahmin". I wish these "dalit" (bamonn/chardde) goanet campaigners will have an opportunity to welcome as in-laws persons "known in the society" to belong to low-castes or outcastes. Otherwise, as our Goan saying goes: Vigarache sermanv uniek! Teotonio R. de Souza --
