Re: [Goanet] Re: Dinesh D'Souza's article of June 29, 2003
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, I suggest you address your critical but often quite misleading comments about the US. Godfrey replies: While Mario seems only to have the time to insinuate that anyone who disagrees with his political philosophy is a left Winger, he does seem to take the time to respond to many other articles on Goanet. I believe that his creditability could be improved by specifically correcting my misleading and untruthful comments. While he states he does not have all day, he obliviously spends much time reading and responding to articles. As Mario chooses to go off on these tangents, he sings the praises of Corporate America and her lovers in the Republican administration. When Mario is willing to take on each of my points, I am willing to spend the time to reply. However, I will not cow to his SPIN and name calling remarks until such time. Mario's definition of a left winger is one who is willing to point out the injustices towards the needs of the poor in our country. So be it! That is one name that I will proudly wear! What did Christ teach us to do? Would Mario also consider Christ to be a Left Winger? Godfrey D'Souza P.S. By the way, I did not need Mario's lesson on the difference between income tax rates and income tax revenues, as I do happen to be a business owner.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Dinesh D'Souza's article of June 29, 2003
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- --- Godfrey D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a Canadian citizen of 26 years. Now, while I am of Indian decent, I currently reside in the United States. Mario replies: Godfrey, I suggest you address your critical but often quite misleading comments about the US directly to Dinesh D'Souza, who will no doubt explain his own comments and answer the many misrepresentations and half-truths that abound in your post. Dinesh's email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since I don't have all day, I will respond to just one of your fundamental misconceptions which is fairly typical of many left wingers and critics of the US, when you said, Has anyone ever heard of a country in the world that reduces taxes when they are at war and at the same time have a ballooning deficit? This only happens in Corporate America. Taking your second point first, maybe you have missed the fact that it is Corporate America that is primarily responsible for the 5% unemployment rate in the US right now and the steady economic growth with low inflation that is the envy of Europe and the rest of the world, and maybe your own job? I'm sure you are aware that corporations are business entities owned by individuals. Thus it is not the corporation that pays taxes, but it's owners, who promptly pass on these taxes to the consumers of the corporations products and services in terms of prices. Thus it is citizens that ultimately pay all taxes. Regarding your first point, perhaps you missed the fact that the deficit for the year ending September 2005, far from balooning, was much lower than previously estimated. Being a new resident in the US you are probably unfamiliar with the difference between income tax rates and income tax revenues, since you talk very sarcastically and disparagingly of the US reducing taxes during a war. Income tax rates the rates that are applied to taxable income, and income tax revenues are actual taxes collected by the government from all income taxes. Now, we have had three major periods in recent history when tax rates were cut substantially, first by President Kennedy in the 60's, then by President Reagan in the 80's and then by President Bush 43, in this young millenium. All three tax rate cuts spurred the US economy to the point that while individuals paid lower taxes on the same level of taxable income, far more of them earned higher incomes and far more were employed by the growing economies after the rate cut. Therefore the taxes collected by the government INCREASED sharply. Yet YOU talk sarcastically of taxes being reduced, when the facts are the exact opposite. When President Bush became president in January 2001, the economy was in decline, unemployment was rising, and therefore tax revenues were also declining. He proposed the tax rate cuts as a means of turning the economy around. Then we were hit by the economic effects of 9/11, which I'm sure you remember. I'm sure you have read that the economy did turn around, and was able to deal with the shocks of 9/11 and the subsequent attempts to reign in a rampant Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and a rampant Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Perhaps it will take some research for you to realize that, in spite of all that, the US deficit is lower now as a percentage of the US GDP than at many periods in US history. So, wringing your hands about the ballooning US deficits, without talking about the ballooning US GDP, is like Mrs. Gates worrying about their family finances because Bill wants to buy a vacation beachfront home in South Goa. For example, the increased taxes collected by the US government during the year ended September 2005, is estimated at some $80 BILLION more than what was projected before the tax rate cuts went into effect. I'm sure you must have read about the deficit being lower than expected? This didn't happen because spending was lower, in fact spending was much higher. It happened because the growth in the economy due to the tax rate cuts, increased tax revenues to levels far higher than previously expected. So, if raising tax rates as you seem to favor, will slow down the economy as some expert's fear, this may reduce taxes actually collected by the government. I think you might agree that it is the taxes collected by the government that really matters and affects the deficit, not reduced tax rates, which are actually good for all of us as well as for the government.
[Goanet] Re: Dinesh D'Souza's article of June 29, 2003
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Hello, I am a Canadian citizen of 26 years. Now, while I am of Indian decent, I currently reside in the United States. I have now lived in the U.S. for 7 years, and I have paid interest in its policies of Government. While I knew that the U.S. was a capitalistic society, I could never imagine what I see is happening now! This great country, The United States of America is now tossing our elderly and our poor (the builders of our great country) to the wolves! This is all being done in the name of capitalism. The following words are my response to an article written by Dinesh D'Souza (Sunday, June 29, 2003), which I happened to come across on the net about a month ago. Refer to the article at the address listed below. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-August/031943.html Dinesh asked a friend, Why are you so eager to come to America? He replied, I really want to live in a country where the poor people are fat. Let's state the facts! Here in the U.S. most poor people are fat and many are obese! However, this is not because they get fat from the good and nourishing food they eat (as many of you consume in India). These people are obese from the cheap, fatty and unhealthy food they can only afford to consume. As a result, these foods are restricting the longevity of the lives of our poor! Dinesh also said We now live in a country where construction workers regularly pay$4 for a nonfat latte, where maids drive nice cars and where plumbers take their families on vacations to Europe. Maybe Dinesh does not know the differences in construction workers. Here in the U.S, we have skilled or certified construction workers i.e. Plumbers, Carpenters, Framers, Electricians, Bricklayers (also referred to as Journeymen) etc. These professionals are highly paid as they go through an apprenticeship in their trades which includes practical and theory. Unlike India, these skills are an educated trade. Much education is put into the label of being a licensed journeymen in these skills. We, here in the U.S., also have the helpers of these trades. These helpers, while also referred to as electricians and plumbers, are not certified. They are only laborers. They are paid only an above average wage yet, they are forced to work in temperatures from 110 degrees to below 0 degrees. Here in the U.S. the plumbers that Dinesh refers to are taking their vacations in Europe are business owners with a staff of many laborers! These people are highly educated! Less than 20% of American Citizens own a passort, compared to Canada which is over 60%. When Dinesh refers to maids driving nice cars, I wonder if he comparing the cars to the ones in Bombay. Cars here, are not a luxury, they are a necessity! Public transportation is the pits all over North America. One needs a car to get to work or get to the store to buy groceries. Try walking a mile in the middle of winter to go buy your groceries. While the car may look good, compared to a car in Bombay, it's probably been bought used and is over 10 yrs old. If anything goes wrong with the running of the car, try taking it to a mechanic. This will cost you nothing less than $300 to fix. Here in the U.S. a diagnostic check alone cost $65 and up. While some of these so called good looking cars cost under $2000, many have been financed at an outrages rate of interest. Dinesh says.the poorest Americans have TV sets, microwave ovens and cars. If the poor could not afford a TV set, they would probably go insane from boredom! T.V is America's entertainment. The poor in this country can't afford any other entertainment. Our poor are confined to their home, during the long cold winter months. In Bombay, you have hundreds if not thousands of people you can talk to. Here in the U.S., you are lucky to say HI to the next door neighbor! Social contact (as most would define in India) is rarely existent in comparison to India! The people of India are so giving, so hospitable and joyful in life! Perhaps Dinesh is comparing the quality of life in monetary means! Here in the U.S., some poor folks can only afford a microwave. They cannot afford an electric range. A microwave today cost $45 and an electric range $350 and up. Does Dinesh realize the poor cannot cook in an apartment with a primus stove because they are not sold here in North America? Besides, it would also be a fire hazard as our homes here are built of wood. Have you ever tried making
Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh and washington
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt Dinesh D'Souza, if invited as a special guest by the GOA (U.K.), would get a warm reception from the Goans here. This is because by and large, I believe, most Goans here are liberal minded ( in the British sense) and they would not take kindly to being told that the Blacks have a pathological problem. There could also be one or two blacks married to Goans! The situation would be dynamite. Mario asks: Dinesh's policy opinions and analyses are about the US specifically, not the UK. The kind of Carribean and African blacks that you find in the UK do very well in the US and are not included in his opinions of why blacks lag behind other American ethnic groups. The fact is that they are lagging behind, and the liberal prescriptions have not worked either, in fact, have made some things worse for them as a community.
Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh and washington
On 10/08/05, Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . In that respect, has the NY Goan Association invited him to speak at any of their functions. I think the GOA, Toronto, should also invite Dinesh if they have any function. But unfortunately, the GOA has mostly dances/socials/picnics. I don't think even an event such as Viva Goa is the right one to invite Dinesh. To give an example, I had to request the GOA to have Dr. Leon Joseph D'Souza, former minister in the Maharashtra government and later Rajya Sabha MP. RESPONSE: Some years ago, when I was the President of the GOA (U.K.) we used to invite honorary guests to grace our open days, including the sports day. On one occasion, we invited a big wig Goan, who made a wonderful speech and promised to have our clock tower fixed, by getting funds through the lottery grant. Everyone applauded this magnificent gesture by the man. Unfortunately the goods weren't delivered, despite repeated reminder letters to him! As I have said previously, from my experience, including the super rich, amongst our Goan community; Those exalted wish to be feted and praised. It seems, that they require the whole Goan community to acknowledge them. They on the other hand, usually do nowt for the community other than lip service! I doubt Dinesh D'Souza, if invited as a special guest by the GOA (U.K.), would get a warm reception from the Goans here. This is because by and large, I believe, most Goans here are liberal minded ( in the British sense) and they would not take kindly to being told that the Blacks have a pathological problem. There could also be one or two blacks married to Goans! The situation would be dynamite. Cheers. Gabe Menezes. London England.
[Goanet]re: dinesh and washington
During the 1988 First International Goan Convention when I was putting together the souvenir, I wrote to the Washington DC Association but got no reply. In the souvenir I have given brief notes on those Goan associations around the world who wrote back to me. I thought the association was rather inactive or, maybe, inoperative. So, it's easy to understand why the association didn't invite Dinesh. Maybe a decade ago, I led a group of Goans from Toronto to a New York convention of Indian Christians. This group was largely made of Konkani singers and dancers. I was requested by the then NY Goan association president, Pascoal D'Souza, who is now based in Las Vegas. At this convention, mostly of Keralites, I met a lady from Washington who was involved in a Christian group. We got to talk and she told me (I forget here name) that she had invited Dinesh for lunch or dinner. She was a Mangalorean and wanted to know from whether Dinesh was a Goan/Mangalorean/East Indian. I told her that I was not aware but I know he's from Bandra. I related this to show that there were some groups who wanted to tap Dinesh for whatever reasons, or maybe just wanted him over to know him better. In that respect, has the NY Goan Association invited him to speak at any of their functions. I think the GOA, Toronto, should also invite Dinesh if they have any function. But unfortunately, the GOA has mostly dances/socials/picnics. I don't think even an event such as Viva Goa is the right one to invite Dinesh. To give an example, I had to request the GOA to have Dr. Leon Joseph D'Souza, former minister in the Maharashtra government and later Rajya Sabha MP. People hardly paid any attention to his speech. They didn't care, for most of them who come for such shows are interested only in having a great time. Maybe when Dinesh is in Goa, goanet could ask him to speak. So, goanet guyas get in touch with Dinesh and ask him when he is visiting his native place. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh profile on websites
Eugene, Though I agree with you that we should now put this issue to rest, I do not resist the temptation to ask you where you found the place name Saligoa. As far as I know, it is and has always been Saligao (or Saliganv in Konkani), never Saligoa. Excuse me for the question - no hard feelings. Jorge - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED]; goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: [Goanet]re: dinesh profile on websites Thanks to Jose's instigation, I googled Dinesh. But even on his own website he hasn't given details of his herediatry. Made a more specific search on his goan roots on google and here's one of the sites http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040510/asp/opinion/story_3218559.asp Unfortunately, the site http://goacom.com/saligao_tinto/scroll.htm does not list him as one of the proud sons of Saligoa. Maybe rightly so, for Dinesh is a Assagoakar, and a grandson of Saligoa. But the tinto -- http://www.goacom.com/saligao_tinto/balcao.htm#dinesh -- says it's proud of him. here's what the Telegrapha site says: --- THE GREAT INDIAN CLASS TEST COMMENTARAO / S.L. RAO The author is chairman, Institute for Social and Economic Change [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elitism or meritocracy? In The Karma of Brown Folk, Vijay Prashad examines the model minority that many in the south Asian community in the United States of America believe that they belong to. He argues that American Orientalists (including ideologues like the immigrant from Goa, Dinesh D'Souza), have perpetuated the stereotype that south Asian immigrants (unlike the blacks) are a special breed. They are said to demonstrate the finest qualities of hard work and an impatience to succeed. He goes on to paraphrase D'Souza as arguing in his book, The End of Racism, that the oppressive conditions of life among black Americans is more a result of their civilizational collapse than of the persistence of structures of racial discrimination. Prashad takes the contrary position that this is a false contrast of racial stereotypes. He says that the attainments of Asians in the US are not caused by natural or cultural selection; rather, they are the result of state selection whereby the US state, through the special-skills provisions in the 1965 Immigration Act, fundamentally reconfigured the demography of south Asian America. Eugene Correia PS: Let's put this issue to rest.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Dinesh D'Sousa
--- Boromor Joseph Dias goanet@goanet.org wrote: Hi, Just for the record, Dinesh was a bandra boy. He was my classmate in St. Stanislaus High School, Bandra. Lived at Peter Dias Road. He was a briliant student in school an excellent human being. I dont know much of him in USA except that he used to write the speeches of Ronald Regan. If anyone one has his email address please pass it on to me. Mario replies: Hey, Boni, I'm sure Gabe and Eugene were overjoyed to read your message. Dinesh D'Souza's email address, which is public information, is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]re: dinesh
Dinesh has his own website http://www.dineshdsouza.com, but he hasn't given details of his herediatry. Made a more specific search on his goan roots on google and here's one of the sites http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040510/asp/opinion/story_3218559.asp Unfortunately, the site http://goacom.com/saligao_tinto/scroll.htm does not list him as one of the proud sons of Saligao. Maybe rightly so, for Dinesh is a Assagoakar, and a grandson of Saligao, according to some of the posts here. But the tinto -- http://www.goacom.com/saligao_tinto/balcao.htm#dinesh -- says it's proud of him, though not saying he is grandson of the village. here's what the Telegrapha site says: --- THE GREAT INDIAN CLASS TEST COMMENTARAO / S.L. RAO The author is chairman, Institute for Social and Economic Change [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elitism or meritocracy? In The Karma of Brown Folk, Vijay Prashad examines the model minority that many in the south Asian community in the United States of America believe that they belong to. He argues that American Orientalists (including ideologues like the immigrant from Goa, Dinesh DSouza), have perpetuated the stereotype that south Asian immigrants (unlike the blacks) are a special breed. They are said to demonstrate the finest qualities of hard work and an impatience to succeed. He goes on to paraphrase DSouza as arguing in his book, The End of Racism, that the oppressive conditions of life among black Americans is more a result of their civilizational collapse than of the persistence of structures of racial discrimination. Prashad takes the contrary position that this is a false contrast of racial stereotypes. He says that the attainments of Asians in the US are not caused by natural or cultural selection; rather, they are the result of state selection whereby the US state, through the special-skills provisions in the 1965 Immigration Act, fundamentally reconfigured the demography of south Asian America. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Re: Dinesh D'Sousa
Hi, Just for the record, Dinesh was a bandra boy. He was my classmate in St. Stanislaus High School, Bandra. Lived at Peter Dias Road. He was a briliant student in school an excellent human being. I dont know much of him in USA except that he used to write the speeches of Ronald Regan. If anyone one has his email address please pass it on to me. Regards, Boromor Dias (Boni)
[Goanet]re: dinesh profile on websites
Thanks to Jose's instigation, I googled Dinesh. But even on his own website he hasn't given details of his herediatry. Made a more specific search on his goan roots on google and here's one of the sites http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040510/asp/opinion/story_3218559.asp Unfortunately, the site http://goacom.com/saligao_tinto/scroll.htm does not list him as one of the proud sons of Saligoa. Maybe rightly so, for Dinesh is a Assagoakar, and a grandson of Saligoa. But the tinto -- http://www.goacom.com/saligao_tinto/balcao.htm#dinesh -- says it's proud of him. here's what the Telegrapha site says: --- THE GREAT INDIAN CLASS TEST COMMENTARAO / S.L. RAO The author is chairman, Institute for Social and Economic Change [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elitism or meritocracy? In The Karma of Brown Folk, Vijay Prashad examines the model minority that many in the south Asian community in the United States of America believe that they belong to. He argues that American Orientalists (including ideologues like the immigrant from Goa, Dinesh DSouza), have perpetuated the stereotype that south Asian immigrants (unlike the blacks) are a special breed. They are said to demonstrate the finest qualities of hard work and an impatience to succeed. He goes on to paraphrase DSouza as arguing in his book, The End of Racism, that the oppressive conditions of life among black Americans is more a result of their civilizational collapse than of the persistence of structures of racial discrimination. Prashad takes the contrary position that this is a false contrast of racial stereotypes. He says that the attainments of Asians in the US are not caused by natural or cultural selection; rather, they are the result of state selection whereby the US state, through the special-skills provisions in the 1965 Immigration Act, fundamentally reconfigured the demography of south Asian America. Eugene Correia PS: Let's put this issue to rest. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]re: dinesh vs antara link
Here's the link for the dinesh vs antara debate http://www.opendemocracy.net/xhtml/articles/2047.html There's a whole series on My America: Letters to Americans on the site. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Re: dinesh
I fully understand the term East Indian as applied to people of Indian or often to those from the Indian subcontinent in the US. Just as Paki used as a racial slur by white supremacists or even racially-prejudice Canadians meant all people originating from the Indian subcontinent. With explanatory articles and defensive arguments, the term has faded away from the mainstream jargon and now replaced by the rubric visible minority. On Dinesh, one can argue his politics. He in on the right and those on the left see him as a arrogant immigrant who made good on his Ivy League education and connection. The Illustrated Weekly had a big story of him and a big photo with Ronald Reagan. I felt he would go much higher in the Republican administration of Bush. Like any one, he has his supporters and distractors. It's fine for Mario to praise him as a Goan who achieved fame. But I would not support him just because he's a Goan. I don't agree with many of his statements and conclusions in the two books I read. As for my earlier reference to dinesh and antara dev sen, it was on the topic, The Wrong America. Her letter to Dinesh: I write to you not just as an Indian to an American, but also as one who shares many of the memories that run in your veins, the colur of the skin over that, and the respect for a good life and democratic freedoms that nestle somewhere in between. I write to you specifically because everyday events frequently remind me of the enormous role the United States of America plays in the lives of distant mortals, and because of your unquestion love for your chosen country that is reflected in the title of your book which has no question mark: What's so great about America. No, I don't hate America. I can't. nurtured by TS Elliot, Ella Fitzgerald and Sylvia Path But Allen Ginsberg howls in my head: America why are your libraries full of tears? millions killed for flimy reasons She gives Vietnam, Guba, Afghanistan and many other countries.. Then she says, No, I don't believe America is evil. Partly becasue every wrong in my McDonald-and-Coke deprived Indian childhoos was blamed on the CIA and its agents, till I almost blamed them for my homework. She goes on to say, It's this Janus-faced America that I wrote to you about... American maybe great, as your book so affectionately explai9ns, but does it not also need to be good? She say ... this is the America I would rather see, America as a just nation that lives the democratic freedoms it preaches... And we remain indebted to an America that is fast become invisible. The last two lines, Shouldn''t your next book be called 'What is fair about America' -- I won't use a question mark either. In his reply, dinesh begins, Reading your letter, I feel a bit like the mosquitor at the nudist colony -- I'm not sure where to begin! He says, Your main quarrel seems to be with American foreign policy... Twice in the past centurey, America's actions played a crucial role in saving freedom -- first, from the threat of Nazi tyranny, and then, from the threat of Soviet imperalism. He says the the war against the evil empire was a just war, and America's victory ikn that war has left the world better and freer. He goes on to explain America's role and tells her that your most serious misunderstanding, in my view, is that you neglect the fundamental principle of American foreign policy, which upon reflection is a deep moral principle. It is the principle of the lesser eveil. He says, What amazes me is that you, like so many others, are content to bash America without any apparent appreciation of the hard decisions that leaders must make. He admits, Sure, America has made its mistakes. My point in quoting both (though I wish I could send the whole piece which is dated August, 2004) is to show that one can take issue with Dinesh on many points. It's the familiar liberal vs conservative fight we continue to see on a much heightened level after the Iraq war, more so with the disclosure that America went to war without the conclusive proof of Iraq having WMD. What we reap now in the form of London bombings, and previous to that Madrid mayhem, is what American foreign policy has brought about. Eugene Correia Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[Goanet]Re Dinesh D'Souza's achievements
Gabe says yes we should also be proud of Luizinho Faleiro, Churchill Alemao etc. A disingenious argument buddy. We are talking about apples and oranges here. Dinesh and his honest achievements has nothing in common with these other gentlemen. Vivian
Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh d'souza
--- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think dinesh's name has appeared on this list earlier in a different context. that he is a conservative and anti-immigrant is well-known. Mario replies: Dinesh D'Souza is a modern political conservative. He is NOT anti-immigrant, being an immigrant himself. Eugene continues: he earned his reputation for himself being an immigrant who has attacked affirmative action. Mario replies: Many Asian immigrants oppose affirmative action because it makes no sense in the long run. Dinesh is a critic of the kind of affirmative action that selects unqualified people simply on the basis of their race, often setting them up for failure. He supports using race as one factor in selecting equally qualified candidates who might have been overlooked in the past. Dinesh would prefer that those with inferior qualifications, for whatever reason, improve their qualifications first, so that they can the compete successfully in this highly competitive country. For example, many top American universities accept unqualified minorities because of political correctness. What is given little publicity is that a high percentage of these then drop out because they cannot keep up with the other highly qualified students, many of whom are Asians. Their obvious shorcomings versus their peers in the highly selective universities, before and after admission, also harms their self-confidence, whereas had they gone to one of the many less competitive universities they generally fare better and graduate with more confidence. Eugene writes: I have read his two books and many articles. I also think I pointed out here that to the best of my knowledge Dinesh is an east indian. Someone in Canada told me she knew him as a child in Bandra, as both families were from the same area. However, let me add that calling for his ethnic background has nothing to do with my post here, just to ask for clarification whether he is on Goan origin. Mario replies: Dinesh D'Souza is as Goan as Eugene seems to be. Eugene writes: I have no problems discussing his politics. Mario responds: Thank you, Eugene. I believe it is quite appropriate to debate his ideas, as well as to disagree with him. What I object to are the attempts by some to tear down a Goan-Indian, who is second only to Victor Menezes of Citigroup, who has now retired, in achievement by Goans in the United States. Without the benefit of any affirmative action, I may add.
[Goanet]re: dinesh d'souza
I think dinesh's name has appeared on this list earlier in a different context. that he is a conservative and anti-immigrant is well-known. he earned his reputation for himself being an immigrant who has attacked affirmative action. I have read his two books and many articles. I also think I pointed out here that to the best of my knowledge Dinesh is an east indian. Someone in Canada told me she knew him as a child in Bandra, as both families were from the same area. However, let me add that calling for his ethnic background has nothing to do with my post here, just to ask for clarification whether he is on Goan origin. I have no problems discussing his politics. In fact, just some days ago I found a pro and con article with different views from Antara Dev Sen and Dinesh D'Souza. Here's some background on Antara Antara Dev Sen is the founder and editor of The Little Magazine, published in Delhi and featuring essays, fiction, poetry, art and criticism. She was senior editor at the Hindustan Times and a fellow at the Reuters Foundation in Oxford, England. Antara Dev Sen wrote a Red Cross report on Angola, which involved travelling through rebel territory, and is advisor of Word Without Borders. She also authored India the Eternal Magic (2000) She has written diversely for openDemocracy, contributing to the Letters to America series, on the May 2004 Indian elections and India's reaction to the December 2004 tsunami. Eugene Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
