Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh and washington

2005-08-10 Thread Mario Goveia
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I doubt Dinesh D'Souza, if invited as a special
 guest by the GOA (U.K.), would get a warm reception 
 from the Goans here. This is because by and large, 
 I believe, most Goans here are liberal minded (
 in the British sense) and they would not take kindly
 to being told that the Blacks have a pathological 
 problem. There could also be one or two blacks 
 married to Goans! The situation would be dynamite.
 
Mario asks:
Dinesh's policy opinions and analyses are about the US
specifically, not the UK.  The kind of Carribean and
African blacks that you find in the UK do very well in
the US and are not included in his opinions of why
blacks lag behind other American ethnic groups.  The
fact is that they are lagging behind, and the liberal
prescriptions have not worked either, in fact, have
made some things worse for them as a community.



Re: [Goanet]re: dinesh and washington

2005-08-10 Thread Gabe Menezes
On 10/08/05, Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


. In that respect, has the NY
Goan Association invited
 him to speak at any of their functions. I think the
 GOA, Toronto, should also invite Dinesh if they have
 any function. But unfortunately, the GOA has mostly
 dances/socials/picnics.
 I don't think even an event such as Viva Goa is the
 right one to invite Dinesh. To give an example, I had
 to request the GOA to have Dr. Leon Joseph D'Souza,
 former minister in the Maharashtra government and
 later Rajya Sabha MP.

RESPONSE: Some years ago, when I was the President of the GOA (U.K.)
we used to invite honorary guests to grace our open days, including
the sports day.

On one occasion, we invited a big wig Goan, who made a wonderful
speech and promised to have our clock tower fixed, by getting funds
through the lottery grant. Everyone applauded this magnificent gesture
by the man. Unfortunately the goods weren't delivered, despite
repeated reminder letters to him!

As I have said previously, from my experience, including the super
rich, amongst our Goan community; Those exalted wish to be feted and
praised. It seems, that they require the whole Goan community to
acknowledge them. They on the other hand, usually do nowt for the
community other than lip service!

I doubt Dinesh D'Souza, if invited as a special guest by the GOA
(U.K.), would get a warm reception from the Goans here. This is
because by and large, I believe, most Goans here are liberal minded (
in the British sense) and they would not take kindly to being told
that the Blacks have a pathological problem. There could also be one
or two blacks married to Goans! The situation would be dynamite.

Cheers.
Gabe Menezes.
London England.



[Goanet]re: dinesh and washington

2005-08-10 Thread Eugene Correia
During the 1988 First International Goan Convention
when I was putting together the souvenir, I wrote to
the Washington DC Association but got no reply. In the
souvenir I have given brief notes on those Goan
associations around the world who wrote back to me. I
thought the association was rather inactive or, maybe,
inoperative.
So, it's easy to understand why the association didn't
invite Dinesh. 
Maybe a decade ago, I led a group of Goans from
Toronto to a New York convention of Indian Christians.
This group was largely made of Konkani singers and
dancers.
I was requested by the then NY Goan association
president, Pascoal D'Souza, who is now based in Las
Vegas. 
At this convention, mostly of Keralites, I met a lady
from Washington who was involved in a Christian group.
We got to talk and she told me (I forget here name)
that she had invited Dinesh for lunch or dinner. She
was a Mangalorean and wanted to know from whether
Dinesh was a Goan/Mangalorean/East Indian.
I told her that I was not aware but I know he's from
Bandra. I related this to show that there were some
groups who wanted to tap Dinesh for whatever reasons,
or maybe just wanted him over to know him better.
In that respect, has the NY Goan Association invited
him to speak at any of their functions. I think the
GOA, Toronto, should also invite Dinesh if they have
any function. But unfortunately, the GOA has mostly
dances/socials/picnics.
I don't think even an event such as Viva Goa is the
right one to invite Dinesh. To give an example, I had
to request the GOA to have Dr. Leon Joseph D'Souza,
former minister in the Maharashtra government and
later Rajya Sabha MP.
People hardly paid any attention to his speech. They
didn't care, for most of them who come for such shows
are interested only in having a great time.
Maybe when Dinesh is in Goa, goanet could ask him to
speak. So, goanet guyas get in touch with Dinesh and
ask him when he is visiting his native place.


Eugene Correia




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