RE: [Goanet]Goan catholics non twiceborn hindus
The case below is interesting and is also politically motivated. Although, the court says that the child is entitled to the fathers caste; it should not immediately follow that the court is insistent-- that the childs future, be determined by accepting the ruling prima facie. The courts way of approaching the case is also a way of saying that caste does play a role in ones life. This leads to all kinds of further questions. venantius See http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1004599.cms SC: Illegitimate child takes on father's caste TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JANUARY 29, 2005 02:46:13 AM ] NEW DELHI: Supreme Court has ruled that a child born out of wedlock is entitled to his or her father's lineage. By holding this in a petition involving the caste status of a legislator elected from a reserved constituency in Andhra Pradesh, a Bench of Chief Justice R C Lahoti, Justices G P Mathur and P K Balasubramanyan upheld an Andhra Pradesh High Court judgment which had set aside the election of TDP candidate Sobha Hymvathi Devi. She had contested the 1999 assembly election from the Sringavarapukota constituency reserved for Scheduled Tribes on the ground that her mother belonged to the Bagatha community, a notified ST community. Gangadhara Swamy, who lost to Sobha, had challenged her election on the ground that she did not belong to the Bagatha community. - QUESTION The children of Hindu parents, (one is Brahmin and the other is Sudra), what caste these children inherit? ... and why? Just curious, Cip Fernandes UK 664 West 163 Street, #57 New York, NY 10032-4527 USA PH/Fax: +1 212.928.3955
RE: [Goanet]Goan catholics non twiceborn hindus
See http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1004599.cms SC: Illegitimate child takes on father's caste TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, JANUARY 29, 2005 02:46:13 AM ] NEW DELHI: Supreme Court has ruled that a child born out of wedlock is entitled to his or her father's lineage. By holding this in a petition involving the caste status of a legislator elected from a reserved constituency in Andhra Pradesh, a Bench of Chief Justice R C Lahoti, Justices G P Mathur and P K Balasubramanyan upheld an Andhra Pradesh High Court judgment which had set aside the election of TDP candidate Sobha Hymvathi Devi. She had contested the 1999 assembly election from the Sringavarapukota constituency reserved for Scheduled Tribes on the ground that her mother belonged to the Bagatha community, a notified ST community. Gangadhara Swamy, who lost to Sobha, had challenged her election on the ground that she did not belong to the Bagatha community. - QUESTION The children of Hindu parents, (one is Brahmin and the other is Sudra), what caste these children inherit? ... and why? Just curious, Cip Fernandes UK
RE: [Goanet]Goan catholics non twiceborn hindus
Antonio, It appears that Antonio has very good knowledge of Hinduism compare to an average practicing Hindu as well as average Hindu from Hindu Nation. these three castes are collectively known as twiceborn castes. Will appreciate to know the source of the above statement. the word twiceborn is, indeed, associated with the cycle of births and rebirths i.e. reincarnation. Could you please explain the following terms: 'cycle of births' and 'rebirths' QUESTION The children of Hindu parents, (one is Brahmin and the other is Sudra), what caste these children inherit? ... and why? Just curious, Cip Fernandes UK -Original Message- Antonio Menezes wrote on 27 January 2005 05:47 joe, it would appear that the use of the term 'non twiceborn hindu' in my post dated jan 24 has created a bit of confusion in the mind of the goanetters who are not familiar with terms normally used whilst discussing the hindu caste set-up. the word twiceborn is, indeed, associated with the cycle of births and rebirths i.e. reincarnation. in the hindu scheme of things, there is no heaven or hell hereafterwards, instead there is this reward called reincarnation or moksha the ultimate end. a hindu who has led a pious life is rewarded with another birth: a very good but not yet a perfect life leads to rebirth as a brahmin; and in decending order one could be born as a kshatriya or as a vaisya . these three castes are collectively known as twiceborn castes. whereas for some mysterious reasons known only to the good old bhagwan other persons are born as sudras, outcastes and untouchables. since the word sudra has a derrogatory connotation,i thought it would be safer to use instead the words ''non twiceborn'' to describe this overwhelming majority of social class before their conversion to christianity. antonio
Re: [Goanet]Goan catholics non twiceborn hindus
Antonio, Many thanks for your clarification on your use of non twice born. I found it very helpful. Regards, Cornel
RE: [Goanet]Goan catholics non twiceborn hindus
From: Antonio Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] a hindu who has led a pious life is rewarded with another birth: a very good but not yet a perfect life leads to rebirth as a brahmin; and in decending order one could be born as a kshatriya or as a vaisya . these three castes are collectively known as twiceborn castes. whereas for some mysterious reasons known only to the good old bhagwan other persons are born as sudras, outcastes and untouchables. since the word sudra has a derrogatory connotation ,i thought it would be safer to use instead the words ''non twiceborn'' to describe this overwhelming majority of social class before their conversion to christianity. antonio === Dear Antonio, I truly appreciate the sensitivity you have utilized in your post wrt the non-twiceborn'. The points you write in the first (above quoted) para may not be exactly as per Manu, but they convey the generally meaning. However, there are two issues which you may wish to review: 1. that the majority of the converts to Christianity were from the non twiceborn - This automatically assumes that the Christians mainly came from Hindu forebears. We might need to review that. What happened to our Muslim and Buddhist forebears? 2. this overwhelming majority of social class Let's call it what it was ...CASTE and not CLASS http://www.colaco.net/1/caste.htm jose 2. _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
