Re: [Goanet]Re:Conservation of Portuguese Heritage

2003-08-29 Thread Bernado Colaco
Boscito,

I am privy to loads of info. For example Bhausaheb
took my wonderful book on cricket and never returned
it. 

I hope you are satisfied with Dr's answer!

Colaco
 
 At the same time I am surprised that you were privy
 to the information that Dr.
 Colaco hoisted the Portuguese flag on his website
 only after visiting
 Portugal.huh ?!?!
 
 Best wishes - Bosco
 
 

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Re: [Goanet]Re:Conservation of Portuguese Heritage

2003-08-28 Thread Bernado Colaco
A good example of such a situation is Dr. José Colaço.
Today the good Doutor has a Portuguese flag hoisted on
his web site after visiting Portugal.



What we are 
 doing around the world is a testimony to that.
 You can continue to mislead Goanetters with your
 petty fait-divers, aimed 
 at throwing mud at Portugal (your own country, by
 the way, who would believe 
 that!!!), but one thing is certain: the moment any
 of your readers sets foot 
 in Portugal all those efforts at brainwashing them
 will be rendered useless. 
 I have witnessed several times the real shock and
 awe that Goans arriving 
 here for the first time feel. Nothing that they see
 in Lisbon and in the 
 rest of the country seems to match the picture of
 Portugal and its people 
 that they were fed upon by some local (and now
 global) manipulators.
 It is a dramatic moment of truth. I just wish a lot
 more Goans (and by that 
 I mean those in Goa) would be able to come here and
 see for themselves.
 
 Rui Manuel Collaço
 
 Lisbon
 
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Re: [Goanet]Re:Conservation of Portuguese Heritage

2003-08-28 Thread Rui Collaco
Mr. Souza, you missed the point I was trying to make. Yes, it is true that 
in your precious little newspaper article a perfectly unknown (not 
anonymous, of course) citizen makes some criticism. So what, once again? 
It's a free country, there are more than 10 million of us, each with an 
opinion. You are a Portuguese now, haven't you realized that the Portuguese 
are world champions at criticising themselves and their country?
But the question remains: Is it legitimate to pick an obscure newspaper 
article written by someone that nobody knows, and draw any kind of 
conclusion from it regarding the state of our heritage and conservation 
efforts? Of course there are problems with some monuments and heritage 
sites. But on the whole, we have a proven record in that area, and 
considerable capacity to help other countries in this field. What we are 
doing around the world is a testimony to that.
You can continue to mislead Goanetters with your petty fait-divers, aimed 
at throwing mud at Portugal (your own country, by the way, who would believe 
that!!!), but one thing is certain: the moment any of your readers sets foot 
in Portugal all those efforts at brainwashing them will be rendered useless. 
I have witnessed several times the real shock and awe that Goans arriving 
here for the first time feel. Nothing that they see in Lisbon and in the 
rest of the country seems to match the picture of Portugal and its people 
that they were fed upon by some local (and now global) manipulators.
It is a dramatic moment of truth. I just wish a lot more Goans (and by that 
I mean those in Goa) would be able to come here and see for themselves.

Rui Manuel Collaço

Lisbon


From: Teotonio R. de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [Goanet]Re:Conservation of Portuguese Heritage
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:16:12 +0100 (Horário de verão de Greenwich)
My reference to the article in Lisbon daily Diário de Noticias of 24 Aug.
would be  relevant, despite Rui Colaço considering it a selective reading.
Full picture may emerge from many fragments. All that we post or produce 
can
only be fagmentary and a selection based on one's own criteria, or agenda
as Rui Colaço likes to call it. It is obvious that he has his!  No one can
provide full picture of anything. Even the so-called *objectivity of
history* is a myth. Real objective history could result (if it will ever
result) from the subjective expriences / narratives  of every single
individual.

For those who could not access the link, follows the text.  I shall
translate the last paragraph: «This researcher comes to the conclusion that
our history has seen all along a lack of organization and planning. Her
criticism is: We have a quaint sensibility regarding the heritage. In
reality, there is no single policy of conservation and restoration of
monuments. If there are restoration projects, there is no concern for
archeological excavations. The trend is to capture fast and mass tourism.»
--
Jangadas de pedra à deriva
by Silvia Costa, Cascais [not anonymous as claimed by Rui Colaço]

Fortificar e restaurar à pressa, face ao iminente ataque do inimigo, foi 
uma
das características da incipiente organização militar do reino, nos séculos
XV e XVI. Seiscentos anos depois, já não se constroem torres, fortes nem
fortalezas, pelo contrário, deixam-se ruir. Pontualmente, algum deste
património é restaurado, mas com o fim de retirar dele o máximo proveito
económico.

As fortificações hoje conservadas pertencem ao Exército e à Marinha,
suportam faróis ou centros de instrução. Outras transformaram-se em hotéis,
restaurantes, palacetes, discotecas, como o Forte Velho, em S. João do
Estoril, ou em colónias de férias, como os fortes de Santo António do
Estoril e de Catalazete. Na Linha de Cascais, que somou no passado 36
fortificações entre fortes, fortalezas e baterias, foram restaurados para
fins museológicos apenas o Forte de Oitavos, em Cascais, e de S. Bruno, em
Oeiras.
A grande maioria destas construções, uma vez desactivada, foi incorporada 
no
Ministério da Fazenda Pública e, no século XIX, posta em hasta pública. Na
posse de particulares, «acabaram por servir de base à construção de
restaurantes e hotéis. No Guincho foram arrasadas, em 1959 e 1964, as
baterias da Galé e Alta, que deram origem ao Muchaxo e ao Hotel do Guincho,
que, apesar de parecer um forte, nada conservou da arquitectura militar
original», refere a investigadora Margarida Ramalho. «Outras foram
transformadas em casas apalaçadas: Casa Seixas (sede da Capitania de
Cascais), casa da Duquesa de Palmela (Monte Estoril), Casa de S. Roque,
Chalet Barros (Estoril), Hospital Ortopédico José de Almeida, que nasceu em
cima do Forte de S. Domingos de Rana».

«A maior parte destas fortificações foi mais dissuasora que defensiva. Ou
tinham homens e não tinham pólvora, ou tinham pólvora e não tinham homens,
ou tinham pólvora e homens e tinham os canhões estragados», diz,