[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Trail of the aroma... whiff of many influences on Goa's exotic food
TRAIL OF THE AROMA: WHIFF OF MANY INFLUENCES ON GOA'S EXOTIC FOOD Goan food drew on different influences -- Arab, Konkan, Malabar, Portuguese, Brazilian, French, African and even Chinese to name a few. There are many dishes common to Goa, the rest of the Konkan, Malaysia, Macau, Portugal, Brazil and Sri Lanka. Goan food has a global touch. The Portuguese were responsible to a great extent for these influences from Europe, Africa, Americas and some other areas of Asia. As result of Portuguese influence Goan cuisine has gone through a series of adaptations, assimilations and 'Westernization'. By Fatima da Silva Gracias fatimgra8 at dataone.in Both eastern and western culture parleyed for a long period of time in Goa, the headquarters of the Estado da India Portuguesa. This encounter left its impact on people’s lifestyle and brought about a dietary revolution. People of all three communities in Goa -- Hindus, Christians and Muslims -- have contributed to local food, with influences from the outside world more evident among the Christians community than the other two. Vasco da Gama's journey to India in 1498 led to significant changes in the culinary art of many countries. There was transfer of products, circulation of recipes and food habits from the New World (the Americas), Europe, places en route as well as from areas under the Portuguese control or places where they had settlements like in Africa and Asia. Archival sources in Goa and elsewhere gives us an idea of the extent of these transfers. These were, very often, carried by ships of the Carreira da India that came annually from Portugal to India via Africa, and in their outward journeys touched Brazil. The Portuguese acted as facilitators in this exchange, with their political control over some areas around the world, enabling them to introduce changes more easily. Prof. M. N. Pearson argues that Portugal played the role of a conveyer belt to the major markets in northern and central Europe. The Portuguese brought goods to India for their own consumption, trade or as a part of their culture. From the routes discovered by the Portuguese came a host of plants and roots producing luscious fruits and vegetables never seen or heard before. Such as the potato, tomato, cashew nut, pimento, papaya, passion fruit, pumpkin, aubergine, pineapple and guava. These continue to enrich our diet. >From Mozambique in Africa, among other things, was introduced a recipe on how to prepare Galinha (Frango) Piri-piri (Chicken Piri-piri) that was probably brought by slaves, African soldiers or Goan migrants who visited their homeland at regular intervals. Fruits, vegetables and herbs like Cilantro from across the seas have added flavour to Goan cuisine, especially to Hindu cuisine. It has made food more aesthetic when used as a garnish. >From Goa, fruit bearing plants such as mangoes, coconuts and spices made their way to places as far as Brazil via rulers, traders, missionaries and, in more recent times, Goan migrants. These products enriched the culinary art and economy of various regions. After Gama's journey to India, European markets were flooded with spices which not only added flavour and gave an exotic taste to food and wines but also helped preserve meat at a time when refrigeration was unknown. Spices were also used in making perfumes and in the materia medica. Subsequent to Gama's journey spices began to be used widely in British, Swiss and French cuisine. This was particularly true of peppercorn known as pimenta, pimenta da India (in Portugal) or as pimenta do reino ( Brazil). The term pimenta in Goa has a different connotation. Portugal internally did not consume much spice, but other European countries did. Spices revolutionized their cooking. REACTIONS FROM THE PEOPLE Initially people reacted diversely to the introduction of new food products in both the worlds. In Europe, for instance spices were considered by some as a status mark, fashionable, exotic, others felt the condiments made dishes inedible, dangerous for health even poisonous. Spices and fruits from India had significant impact on cooking in some parts of Brazil. Orlando Ribeiro in his Originalidade da Expanção Portuguesa says “há uma cozinha do norte do Brazil que e em grande parte de herança India, há uma cozinha goesa que é Hindu na sua origem”. Strong seasoning with spices in the early stages of its introduction had adverse impact on people of Brazil. Slaves and masters alike suffered from ailments of digestive track. In Goa, since a section of the population considered some fruits polluting and fleshy, these were not consumed for a long time and even when finally accepted, not included in the "food for Gods". The use of other products depended on the cost, availability, taste at particular point of time or even
[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] Twenty-seventh Sunday of the Year
02-Oct-2006 Dear friend, We live in a fast changing world and sometimes the speed at which things change and we change, may make us feel that nothing is permanent anymore, not even our deepest relationships. Today we see in some part of the world a breakdown in family relationships and marriage. We hear about people getting in and out of marriages routinely. In the States 50% of marriages are said to end up in divorce. Todays readings challenge us to fidelity, like God, who is ever faithful. Is this humanly possible? May His word inspire us. Have a renewal Sunday! Fr. Jude Sunday Reflections Twenty-seventh Sunday of the YearGods love and ours is forever! 08-Oct-06 Readings: Genesis 2:18-24 Hebrews 2:9-11 Mark 10:-16 The first reading from the Book of Genesis speaks of Gods great love and compassion for man and woman. God knows our needs and always does what is best for us. When God created Adam he felt it was not good for him to be alone and so he created a helpmate and companion, Eve. She would not be like other works of creation, but would be someone like him, compatible with him and a life-long partner. To emphasize this sameness Genesis says that Eve was created from Adam, meaning they were both of one flesh. Bone from my bones and flesh from my flesh. The reason for being one is not mere physical compatibility but a deeper unity because each is a creation of God and a gift from God given to each other for a lifetime of loving. Genesis reminds us that human beings are created as the fruit of the love of God and of the love of husband and wife. Matrimony Or Purgatory Questioning the children before Confirmation, the bishop asked one nervous little girl, What is Matrimony? She answered, A place where souls suffer for a little time because of their sins! No, No, said the parish priest, that is purgatory. Let her alone, said the Bishop, she might be right, what do you and I know about it? Marriage Zip Someone has said that marriage is like a zipper. There are two rows of teeth on a zipper. These teeth fit into one another very neatly. But you can never fasten the zipper unless you use the little zip that draws the teeth together and locks them. In marriage it is the same way. Two people may be close together as the two sides of the zipper, but if they leave God out of their life and marriage, then they are like a zipper without a zip. It just wont work. As Bishop Sheen used to say, It takes three to get married, a man, a woman and God. Frank Michalic in Tonic for the Soul The second reading from the letter to the Hebrews tells us that Jesus was crowned with glory and splendour because he submitted himself to the will of the Father even unto death. His death would be the means of sanctification for all mankind. He was made perfect through suffering and we too are made perfect through the sufferings we endure in daily life. We can go through our trials and pins and become more mature and beautiful people if we accept them as coming from Gods hands. In todays gospel Mark speaks of Gods plan for men and women drawn together in marriage. He wishes that they be one for life, faithful and committed to each other, just as God is faithful and committed to mankind forever. The Pharisees wanted to test Jesus by asking whether it was against the law for a man to divorce his wife. Jesus took the question as an opportunity to put forth his high ideals on the subject of marriage. He proposed that when two people were entering into marriage, they were entering into a covenant relationship with one another and with God. He further added that, if in the past there were some concession to human nature, this was not so from the beginning. Jesus was proposing this high ideal of marriage as God wanted it. But is it possible to live this ideal? God wanted marriage to reflect his own love for his people, a love that never fails and which grants the gift of life. Therein lies the difficulty with marriage. Marriage is a challenge to be like God. No wonder that marriage is not easy. God is faithful. He does not love us only when we love him. He does not abandon his affection for us because he has fallen in love with someone else. God does not find it too troublesome to put up with our faults. He does not become irritable when we do things to get on his nerves. God does not fear that it will be too demanding to care for us when we have contracted a debilitating illness. Gods love is patient, generous and thoughtful. Above all, Gods love never fails. -Charles Miller In todays gospel Jesus proposes marriage as a union of equal beings who are primarily identified in terms of their orientation to God. Women are not things, they are not part of mans patrimony, they are persons. The central message of todays text is that both men
[Goanet] In search of this Flower 'AGA BOCHKE' (Tiger's Paws ?) ---- I
In search of this Flower 'AGA BOCHKE' (Tiger's Paws ?) When I was say about 9, I remember two young kids died of eating this flower. As I grew older, I really found it difficult to digest this.. I also remember, this plant/Flower grow (every year) next to my house under the mango tree. Now a days, you don't see them except in the wild. However, after a long time, whilst travelling from Agassaim to Panjim, one day, I thought I saw this flower along the roadside from Siridao to Merces. So, yesterday, I decided to look for it myself and set my journey on foot under the hot sun around noon from Panaji KTC to Bambolim (planed up to Siridao slope). (during my walking trip, I did get two calls (as expected) asking me 'Is that you ?' as the road is very busy with heavy traffic including public transport buses etc) After a walk and search for about 80 minutes, I finally managed to find it just before GMC, Bambolim. I returned home very tired and when told at home about my trip, I got 'solid shouting' to this a hindi speaking next door lady said 'Bhai sab, kabi kabi apni umar ka bhi kyal roko. Agar apko kuch ho zata to? Jaise ki 'high BP' ? I straight went to bed and slept for 4 hours. But, I must confess, I am enjoying every minute of my stay in Goa. 'Kal kya hoga, kisko patha ?' (Who has seen tomorrow ? or who knows what will happen tomorrrow?) So, here it is... (Aga Bochko, I mean) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/262067315/ Can anyone throw some light on this mysterious (or poisonous?) flower ? Also, copied to BSG. Thanks for your help. == Next, coming up.. 'In search of 'Aga Bochke' part II Where I enjoyed my type of meal with extra fish and a soft drink all for less than 57p (Rs.47) [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa trounced by tiny Cabo Verde
Like I have mentioned in the previous post, Goa took a hiding from tiny Cabo Verde island. Goa lost 3-0 unable to cope with the pace of the tiny african islanders after the previous day's match with Macau. But one must note that African football has grown leaps and bounds for the past 3 decades. Goa has just started to collaborate with Portugal in this respect and thanks to Susana Souza the former Director of Sports. Goa may still stand a chance to qualify for the semis as the best second team as there are three groups. But that is all stats. Let us keep our fingers crossed. BC ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Swimsuits for Goan lifeguards
Swimsuits for Goan lifeguards Compromising is the name of the game By Cecil Pinto A five-member delegation has been selected for a tour of the major beaches of the world. The purpose of the tour is to study different female lifeguard attire in other countries and choose and adapt one that will be most suitable for the women lifeguards that the Goa Government plans to recruit. In a hastily called press conference Chairperson of Goa Tourism Development Corporation, Fatima D'Sa, presented the members of the delegation to the press. On the dais with Fatima were Wendell Rodricks, Cecil Pinto, Ethel Da Costa and Vithaldas Naik. Journalist #1: "Why Wendell Rodricks?" Fatima: "Wendell is by far Goa's most famous designer. He has always cooperated with the Government and never charged for his services, even when he redesigned the police uniforms." Journalist #2: "But the blue and white police uniforms were finally discarded and we reverted to khaki." Fatima: "That was not because of design reasons. White requires regular and thorough washing whereas khaki does not show dirt that easily. You all know how much dirty work the policemen have to do for us politicians." Ethel: "Why Chowgu ? I mean why Cecil?" Cecil: "Hello!? We're supposed to be together on this! Will you shut your " Ethel: "What qualifies Cecil to be in this delegation?" Cecil: "I've watched every episode of Baywatch and Bikini Beach Destinations. I watch beachwear modeling on Trends TV and FTV. I have visted every website featuring bikini babes. I have been studying swimwear, specially in Goa, since 1984. I have ." Journalist #3: "Ok! Ok! Why Ethel? How is she qualified?" Cecil: "Yes! She's a journalist, columnist, lifestyle reporter, event manager, public relations " Ethel: "Not to forget model and singer!" Journalist #3: "Exactly! How does all this qualify her to decide which swimsuit is appropriate for Goan female lifeguards?" Fatima: "Very simple. We included her so she would not criticize the study tour. Always works. It's a unique method we developed have to curb criticism of Government decisions. Just absorb the loudest critics into the system and then they can't be critical any more!" Cecil: "After Ethel who?" Wendell: "You mean once Ethel retires from public life who will be able to fill her footsteps?" Cecil: "No! No! What I meant is who is that fellow who is sitting after Ethel? He's gone off-stage to talk to someone." Fatima: "That is Vithaldas Naik. He has put many self-advertisements in the newspapers making it appear everyone is wishing him on his birthday. He's probably angling for a party ticket for the elections. Sending him with this delegation shows we respect his position and ambition, but no way will he get anything bigger than a Zilla Parishad seat." Journalist #1: "How come no MLAs or Chairpersons are going this time? It's a nice opportunity to spend tax payers' money for private holidays." Fatima: "Elections are around the corner. The situation is dicey. Nobody's going out of the country. You know how things change here suddenly. You could come back to find you are out and your party has changed colours. These are crucial times." Journalist #2: "But you mentioned a five-member delegation. These are only four people?" Fatima: "Ah yes! We are sending one member to represent the Women's Groups. The Bailancho Saad, Bailancho Ekvott etc have to get together and send us a consensus candidate. They can't manage so far because they hate each others' guts. They have gone to the extent of appointing a male candidate, a husband of one of the leaders. Their reasoning is that if male politicians can place their wives as stooges on their behalf then women NGO leaders should be allowed the same privilege" Journalist #1: "But why a representative of women's groups?" Fatima: "That is to provide a moral watch-dog so the swimming costume selected meets our Goan decency standards and does not expose too much" Wendell: "Are you bothered about exposing a little skin or about efficiency in swimming and saving lives?" Ethel: "I think that a T-shirt and shorts would be a fashion statement and quite acceptable." Cecil: "Stop being hypocritical. Go to an average disco and there's more flesh on display than a one piece swimsuit shows." Wendell: "I think we should use red and white checks to symbolize the clothing of the Kunbi women. The original inhabitants of Goa." Cecil: "Yes. And the male lifeguards can wear kashtis!" Ethel: "I thought we were only to decide on female outfits?" Cecil: "So basically are we looking at one-piece-suits, bikinis or thongs?" Wendell: "There's lots of variations. The bottom can end in a V-shape or like shorts or with an additional skirt on top. We can have sleeves or bare shoulders. The tops can be a tank tops, stringbodys, halter-necks, maillots, plunge fronts...The basic objective is that the material must not become transparen
Re: [Goanet] Goan football in Dubai
I think Luis's use of the word "shut up" was unwarranted. As I said in an earlier post, that the issue of non-Gaons playing in the Al Nasr tournament has aroused debate. In Toronto, the Goan tournament allows sons-in-law and husbands of Goan girls or sons of parents if the girl is Goan. It's often hard to check, but it is the manager of each team to vouch for the players' credentials. In the past, anglo-Indians and mangaloreans have played. I haven't come across such instances in recent times. Looking at another aspect, the team members are not from the same village they play for in Dubai and Toronto. Most often players who don't find a place in the first eleven in his own village team jumps to another team. As Luis says, maybe a team or two had difficulty in fielding an all-Goan team. Hence, to accommodate such teams a rule permitting three non-Goans was allowed. We have to look at the whole picture. Here, it's a war between two organising committees. On one hand, the Goan Cultural Society can boast of having 12 against 10 in the All-Star Entertainemtn tournament. On the other, the ASE people can boast that theirs is the "real" Goan tournament. I think it's frivolous indeed. I think the Toronto Goan football is good as it covers a wide ground and, at the same time, makes in Goan in every possible way. It's worth experimenting with in Dubai. Maybe there will be logistics problems. But it should be "honest to goodness" approach. If a team is found breaking the rule, then the team should be penalised. But then again, this team could go and form another tournament. Discipline is important. I was shocked at the behaviour of the Benaulim goalkeeper in last year's final. I am told he is an ex-Goa state player. Another team that ran in problems with the ASE tournament was Siolim United, I think. This team has joined the GCS tournament. One old-timer who was very much involved in Goan tournaments told me that he has stopped coming to either of the tournaments this year. He said he feels ashamed that the fight between the two bodies is now played in the newspapers. I was at the Al Nasr ground yesterday and wanted to check with an official regarding why this three non-Goans rule has been introduced. Unfortunately, the official was playing in a match and I had to rush somewhere else before the match got over. If I go to the Al Nasr ground I will find out. If anyone on this forum (Where is Joyce?) can inform, please do so. Eugene Correia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exercise Improves Cancer Survival
On 06/10/06, Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the much interest among Goanet readers in my reporting on aspects of > cancer, here is something more.:=)) There is new evidence that exercise > improves cancer survival as reported in four new reports. > ... RESPONSE: Then there is this very interesting news ! Might even help some on Goanet http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/10/05/pot.alzheimers.reut/index.html Marijuana may stave off Alzheimer's -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Cancer Cases on rise Worldwide (including Goa)
Cancer Cases on rise Worldwide (including Goa) I thought I would add this to ongoing dabate on Cancer. - 10 millions new cases detected every year worldwide. - In Goa, 1000 new cases are diagnosed every year (that about 3 cases every day) - The common cancer seen in the women are cance of the breast, Cervix, ovary & dometrium. - The cancer of the breast being most widespread. - For women who live up to 90 yrs, there is a one in eight chance of developing breast cancer. - Breast Cancer cases in GMC (Goa) 1974...9 1980..17 2001-02..590 2003..205 2004..230 2005..243 Advice to women: Have plenty of fruits, vegetables (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/250914886/) and excercise regularly. Says not me but Dr. Roque Wiseman Pinto, head of Dept, Pathology, GMC. Compilled (except the link in the bracket) from NT today. Further Stats: Goa seems the highest in India with Breast Cancer Cases Goa 35 c/s per 1,00,000 (one Lac) Delhi 23.3 Madrass 21.9 Bombay 21.9 USA 65.4 Philiphines 29 Brazil 28.3 UK 11.2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The First Goans - Kunbis, Gavdas, Kannadigas --> Chardos --> Gaud Saraswats
Hi Eugene, I am amazed to observe through the years, that ill-informed Bardezkars always claim a priority over the Sashtikars as far as links to Europe and Europeans are concerned. These ill-informed beliefs are exemplified in your note which states that "These families were possibly Aryans, who first came to India from central Asia. Or is it central Europe?" Well here are the facts of Our History - Goa was a beautiful, idyllic place with sun-kissed beaches that was originally inhabited by the Kunbis, Gavdas, Kannadigas, etc for a few centuries. The Chardos (Kshatriyas) who arrived in Goa centuries later, but earlier than the Gaud Saraswats, since they took a shorter, more direct route to Goa from Kashmir from west of the Vindhya mountains. Much later, we had the westward migration to Goa by the Gaud Saraswats from Bengal (Gaud means Bengal, Saraswat is from the Saraswati river which flowed from the present day Rann of Kutch northwards through Gujarat, Rajasthan - it is dried up now) but this group survived their first eastward journey from Kashmir to Bengal by eating fish from the Saraswati river, as they were fleeing to Bengal to avoid a famine in North India. After residing in Bengal for a few centuries, these Gaud Saraswats migrated westwards to Goa. It is mentioned in history that Goa's then ruler Mayuravarman (Chardo) changed his name to Mayurasarman (Brahmin) after studying in Kanchi and Pataliputra and welcomed the Gaud Saraswats to settle in Goa. On the way to Goa, the Gaud Saraswats picked up their diety Monghyr-sa (from Monghyr in Bihar) which has since been corrupted to Mangesha in Goan Konkani. 12 GSB families settled in the north - that is why the place is known as Bar-desh (for Bara = 12) 30 GSB families settled in the central area - that is why the place is known as Tiswadi (for Tis = 30) 66 GSB families settled in the south - that is why the area is known as Salcete or Sashti for 66. (GSB = Gaud Saraswat Brahmins) Due to their migration from Bengal, there is a strong relationship between Bengali and Goan Konkani eg 'Busa' means 'sit' in Marathi - but it is 'bos' in Bengali and Konkani. You should also remember, that the Gaud Saraswats were the latter-day Goans. They were greeted in Goa by the Chardos who were already flourishing there. So where is the European Connection ? Sheesh you Palpon Re Bardezkars with your Palponos and 'Aao Portugues' Outlook claim to have an European Connection at every turn of history !! First it was the more recent Fish Mayonaise and now its the Gaud Saraswat migration of 12 GSB families to North Goa ! How crazy ! Remember India has a far glorious history than Europe which was in the Dark Ages for a far long time, when we Indians were flourishing. You all got to get over this ill-informed 'Aao Portugues' outlook and this hero worship of the damn Europeans who just plundered India. REFERENCE: D'Cruz, Carmo A: "Re-Discovering Goa " - second Master's Thesis in the Department of Portuguese Culture and Language - in partial fulfillment of the non-business requirements of the MBA degree - University of Texas at Austin - 1989. Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Sashtikar, Proud Valkar Even more proud to be a Goenkar ! INDIAn Harbour Beach, Florida ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Breadfruit is NIRPONOS IN Salcete
From: "Alfred de Tavares" Palponos in Sashti; Duliao, with a 'til' on 'a' in Bardez. Green, about size of a papaya, bottle, thorns on outer skin but not as intense as on 'ponos'. Same type of 'gore' system iside but virgin white and as juicy as the insides of a 'kokum/bin'dam'; no 'pank' the very gluey sap within the jack-fruit. Don't remember botanical denomination. AT Not really, Mr. Tavares. Duriao is actually the Portuguese word for Durian and a total misnomer for "Pathponos" [ though it is often mistakenly used]. Pathponos is an Anona like the Custard Apple or Sitaphal or Anther. Anona muricata is its Botanical name. Plenty of people are happy to call the White chickoo [ Casmirao edulis] as 'Mangustao' even though the white sapota has green skin and is related to the chikoo and Mangustao has red skin and is related to the Birindam/Kokum. Which reminds me of a leading architect in Goa who asked me to get "Sadafuli" plants but had the dwarf Lantana gold or 'ghanerem' in mind. Both flower throughout the year! I picked up a rhyme in Portuguese from a senior: "Asim sao coisas do mundo Quem nao sabe nadar , bato os culhoes o fundo!" And I always though 'culhoes' meant the buttocks in Portuguese, till a friend informed me it was the other way round! ;-( Viva Goa. Miguel Viva Goa.Say it with feni. MIGUEL BRAGANZA, Mhapsa Horticulturist/ Editor - ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Pele glad to be in Kuwait
Pele glad to be in Kuwait Former Brazilian soccer star Edison Arantis, also known as Pele, on Thursday said he was glad to be in Kuwait for the second time, the first time being in 1973 when he was playing for the Brazilian Santos soccer club. Pele said he was glad to meet with Kuwaiti MP Marzouq Al-Ghanem, president of the Kuwait Soccer Club, and added that he had deep ties of friendship and mutual respect with Al-Ghanem. Turning to another issue, Pele said the Brazilian soccer team did not perform to the best of its abilitiy as expected in the 2006 World Soccer Cup and in line with Brazilian long-standing traditions. Pele said he was happy with the Brazilian team's current standing after a new coach took charge. He said that, if Brazil gets to host the 2014 World Cup, he would run for president of the organizing committee. (KUNA) - News item courtesy: Arab Times/Friday, 6/10/2006 - Forwarded by Gaspar Almeida, www.goa-world.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Outubrachi 7vi, 2007
Jednam tum mathi uddoita, tujea hathancher sodanch mev urta. (When you throw mud, you are always left with dirt on your hands.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo005001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Hello All
Hello. I am a part "Goan" a Goan Soayro, if thats the right way to spell son-in-law in konkani. Any way its really nice to be here, and keep in touch with all Goan's out here across the world. Ah! I also wish to know if Alister Miranda and Father Salvador are part of this network, If you are or if anyone knows them I kindly request you to give me their email address and contact numbers, I do have Alister's contact number but I need his email address as well. All the best to evey one. -- With best wishes & regards Chandrakanth. N. S http://www.ryze.com/go/NSChandrakantha>http://img.ryze.com/imonryze.jpg height=18 width=66> ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Minguel Rod
Dear Veronica: Thanks for that splendid narrative on Minguel Rod. Appearing in Goanet, the graphic visceral account of his life with all its pathos read like a Greek tragedy. With your prodigious contribution on his 51st death anniversary, probably many have been impressed by his thespian genius. Based on your vivid expose, Senor Rod has remarkable semblance to a kind of Don Quixote with his Sancho Panza played by Young Menezes. Maybe the hallucinatory effects of his constant inebriety endowed Minguel the Maestro with the psychedelic inspiration to produce his masterpieces. If swayed by the quality of his theatrical works, the protagonists of Konkani should seriously contemplate starting a movement to get his important masterpieces translated into English. We have precedents in Edward J. Fitzgerald's translation of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam that made the Persian genius world famous. Goa has a number of scholars who are well versed in both the Konkani and English languages. Let's get organizations like Sudharop to sponsor and organize funding for these translations of at least his magnum opus, so that the world can enjoy this humdinger's marvellous theatre output. Promoting Minguel's plays outside Goa through an universally known language could make the bon vivant World more aware of Goa's charming environment, unique classical culture and abundant talent. Burning bright, his gems will also be an excellent way to give Konkani international recognition as a language to be reckoned with. Ultimately, his legacy could help foster badly needed uniformity in our "lingua franca" and provide the vindication of Konkani's status as a "language" in the Indian Constitution. Regards Arnold ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exercise Improves Cancer Survival
Could you please provide the exact reference for this citation? J. Clin. Oncology publishes three issues per month. You also did not provide the names of the authors. Regards J. Rane On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 Gilbert Lawrence wrote : >Given the much interest among Goanet readers in my reporting on aspects of >cancer, here is something more.:=)) There is new evidence that exercise >improves cancer survival as reported in four new reports. Two studies were >done at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston together with the Nurse's >Health Study. From an abstract of the paper, the authors showed that >"moderate exercise reduced women's risk of dying from breast cancer by up >to 50%". Studies also looked at colon cancer. Larger randomized clinical >trials are being planned by the National Cancer Institute and other cancer >organizations. > >Our Goanet "experts" may want to read the original papers in the Journal of >Clinical Oncology (August issue) and elsewhere. Please direct all you >critiques of the papers to the authors and the editors of the journals. >Please spare us, the Goanet readers, from further aggravation - machem kit >pit naka! > >Cancer victims and those who do not want to do things to help themselves, >please hit the delete button and disregard this post. For those not into >nit-picking, moderate exercise involves, "About 6+ hours a week of >moderate walking". The walking also benefits the quality of life, >post-treatment and helps people "who are not affected by cancer as well". >To state the obvious, exercise is not supposed to replace proven cancer >therapy, but to work with / as an adjunct to it. > >Thanks for allowing me to share this information with you. >Regards, GL ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] PONNOS
Joe: Thanks for that excellent repertoire of derivatives from "ponnos". You're doing more for the propagation of Goan harmony, culture and cuisine, and ultimately Goan pride, than all the sensational and invidious platitudes and acrimonious diatribes published ad nauseam. Your enlightening etymological throwbacks are fascinating especially when you link genuine Goan customs and patois endemically. I wish you could delight Goanet's readership consistently with a systematized compilation of your precious knowledge and interpretation of various facets of seminal Goan culture. It could include the fine arts, the culinary science and leading personalities from all walks with focus on culture and fine arts. If serialized it would facilitate Goanetters absorbing and digesting your fine presentations more effectively. I'm really enjoying what you give us readers. There's one item I'd like you to clarify. I always thought the "Bat" (flying fox) was called "Waghot". But you have referred to this airborne creature as "Pake". Is "Waghot" the larger version of the "Bat" or is the terminology/diction modified regionally.? If cooked by expert "cusneres", I can attest the resulting delicacy makes an excellent "amot tickh", mouth watering hot curry that will knock your socks off. Keep up the good work. Your contributions are a dignified and unique breath of fresh air in Goanet's cyberspace. Please give us more!!! Cheers Arnold > >>-- > >> >What ponnos ? > >Path Ponnos, Nirponnos, Katteam Ponnos, Rosal Ponnos, Kapo Ponnos, Borkoi >Ponnos ?? > >KAPO (in Bardes) the same is BORKOI in Shashtti >ROSALL in Bardes the same is just PONNOS in Shastti > >NIR-PONNOS in Bardes the same is PATH-PONNOS in Shastti > >So, what is katteam Ponnos ? >This is another variety of Ponnos. >Green in colour (little yellowish when riped) about 1 foot long and about >half foot wide >Inside is all while like cotton but juicy >Taste sour & Sweet >Most people don't eat it. >But it is my favourite, chill it for sometimes before eating 'Hobodda >Lagota' > >Some people call it 'Paum' (bread) yet some call it 'nir-ponnos' >The fruit attracts 'pake' (bats) >Usually June-July-August i think >Any body remember this ? > > >Other related terms/words about PONNOS >Ponnsa pana Viddi (cigar with leaf) >Ponnsa pana Folle (Sweet dish, funnel shape) >Ponnsa moder (Wood-Chairs, table etc) >Ponnsa Ghore >Ponnsa Bhiknamm (nuts) >Ponnsa Char >Ponnsa Pank/dhink (Gum -use to trap parrots etc) >Ponnsa Sattam (again, my favourite) > >Some related sayings: >Daddoun pikoilolea ponnsak ghost asoan >Ponnos kitloi dapun dovor, tacho vas eilea xivai ravona >Nak nak mun voklem deddxem ghore khaile >Pott bhorlem munntorich ghore ambott ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Moderations and beyond
I'd like to suggest that when the moderators want to end a particular thread on Goanet, a week's notice be given so that contributions are not inevitably cut off midstream. I also propose a discussion on THE BENEFITS AND NON-BENEFITS OF THE PORTUGUESE STAY IN GOA FOR 451 YEARS. We do have some worthy experts like Lusophile Jose Colaco who could start us off with a significant contribution on this issue and which I think has not been discussed on Goanet in the mode I propose. Finally, for some news from the UK where an estimated 40,000+ Goans live. As I was surprised previously by the quest for UK news from some Goanetters, I submit some news below about very recent items to make headlines here. I don't intend to make a habit of this and accept that, if this info is not deemed to relate to Goa, I would not lose any sleep were it not to be accepted. 1. Cabinet Minister Jack Straw yesterday claimed that the veil (niqab) worn by many Muslim women, presented a "visible statement of separation and difference" He believed that it did not help promote better communication between the very diverse communities in the UK where face to face dialogue is valued highly. Although the populist tabloid newspapers exploited this to the full, I think Straw is absolutely right. There is no law or compulsion to have the veil removed but we have an opportunity to start a much needed debate. I also know that Straw considered his remarks carefully and has sufficient gravitas to be taken seriously on this issue. It is perfectly possible to find several arguments against Straw's stance but I hope that his calm persuasive approach will bear fruit, albeit gradually. There is an incredible amount of integration across ethnic lines in the UK particularly in terms of marriage and cohabitation. I had provided figures to Goanet previously on this matter. However, there are pockets of resistance to integration and some elements in some communities choose to live parallel lives of existence which simply can't be helpful in a multicultural society in my view. 2. Another story making the headlines related to a British Muslim working in the police force in providing armed security at embassies. He was fearful that he would be identified when protecting the Israeli Embassy, by people in Lebanon and other parts of the Arab world where his close family lived and he was worried that their lives could be in danger. Once again, the tabloids made a big issue of this story and several objected that such concessions were invidious and should not be made. However, it is well know that concessions to special forces have always been made in trouble spots like Northern Ireland etc. Moreover, the information about this matter was strictly confidential but appears to have been leaked to the press by an inside mole. Finally, on a TV programme yesterday, one of the items discussed was the dilemma of North Korea and Iran and the Bomb. Most agreed that the situation was very dangerous but that a) it is estimated that there will be dozens of nuclear powers in the foreseeable future irrespective of the efforts to stop North Korea and Iran presently. b) that the war in Iraq had robbed the USA and Britain of any moral highground to convince Iran against the Bomb, especially, when Israel had received every support for this deadly weapon by the same two powers. The discussion also centred around the new-found opportunity for so many jihadists to now operate in Iraq because of the war, and how tragically, some 100 people were dying there virtually every day. Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Internet/Broadband Services in Goa
Internet/Broadband Services in Goa This is in response to various queries I received.. If you are in Goa say on short holidays, ideally, for you local Cybercafes are the best option. Charges varies Rs.20 - Rs.33 per hour. Sify cybercafes are every where, one must have his a/c which is opened on payment of Rs.50 i think with some credit. Once you have the account, you can use any Sify outlets in anywhere in India (Some Indian Airports also have sify kiosks). Then there is Reliance Webworld but mainly in cities like Miramar/Campal, Mapusa, Margao & Vasco. Again, you need to have a/c and the same can be use anywhere in India where you see Reliance Webworld. There are plenty other local cybercafes, sometimes cheaper but very slow even when they say they are on broadband. Remember, Cybercafes don't usually allow you to plug in your attachments like Camera, Card reader, memory cards, any USB devices like external memory/pen drive etc (except Relaince Webworld). Soem don't even allow your floppy disk or Cd Talking about broadband, BSNL offer broadband of various speeds 256kbps, 384 etc But this is subject to coverage. With bsnl, one can be on broadband for as little as Rs.250/month Rs.250/month speed 256 usage limit 0.4GB then after pay Rs.1.40/MB (minimum period 3 months) Rs.500/month speed 256kbps Usage limit 1GBexcess of 1gb pay Rs.1.20/MB (this plan offers you unlimited/unmetered usage between 2am-8am) (minimum period 3 months) Rs.900/month Speed256 UNLIMITED USAGE (minimum period one month) Rs.1000/month Speed 384 Usage limit 2 GBexcess pay Re.1/mb (free between 2-8am) One can even get temporary connection from bsnl (minimum period being 15 days) but pays double the rent as above. There are others who offer broad band like Tataindicom, one may find out more from their respective sites. see some here (Airtel also likely to offer broadband soon). http://tataindicombroadband.vsnl.com/myaccount/view_plan.jsp http://bsnl.co.in/service/dataone.htm Other things to remember before going in for Broadband: -You must have a telephone line, if not, BSNL offer bfone Rs.150/month this to be added to monthly rent of broadband. e.g. plan 500 +150 =650/month plus any calls made from landline phones. Plus the charges if you exceed your usage limit, plus applicable taxes. -There will be some additional charges like installation charges, security deposits, phone unit etc - The cost of Modem say Rs.1200 (USB type). -if you are on net say av. 8hrs a day (not downloading/uploading Music, photos, videos) then you are likely to use about 0.1GB every 2.5 days. Go for Plan 500/month. All you videos/music can be uploaded/downloaded free between 2am-8am. But beware, your wife may strongly object this (Mhoji bhail sodeak aplea maimger gelia 'partak') -I offered to install this 500 plan broadband on my nextdoor friend phone line at my cost and for mutual use (say for 3-4 months only), installed on 18th and by 31st my usage meter showed 0.989GB, I thought I was well within the limit i.e. 1GB/month. I was surprised when my friend came to show me his huge bill (which I promplty paid of) partly because of my usage exceeded the monthly limit works out about 0.4GB pro-rata. So they charged me for excess [EMAIL PROTECTED]/MB. Exceeded because plenty of Video clips uploaded day time. One 5 mins Video clip roughly 0.1GB or 100MB Did you know ? to upload 5 minutes of Video at speed 256kbps, it takes about 4 hours (may be the bsnl speed is to read as max up to 256kbps, so it might be lot less at a time) Also, to save a 5 minute video clip on your hard drive it takes about 20 minutes, Don't know if this is normal. And if during those 4 hours, if light goes off or server error etc then all your nearly 4 hours wasted not forgetting your sleep. Should anybody need further assistance, please feel free to ask Happy surfing. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOan Gulfees by Domnic Fernandes
Domnic Fernandes' article on the Goan Gulfee brought back memories ( around 1958) of my childhood when I met many of these guys around the Saddar area of Karachi where my Uncle Douglas after marrying a Miranda lady from Salcette was staying. Many of these Gulfees visited them while their ship was in Port. They were dressed as mentioned in the ' bring back the memories' article on the Goan Gulfees. Domnic is also bang on target regarding the things they carried. In fact, my Uncle and Aunt received many 'gifts' from these generous people. I still don't know why, but it seems that my aunt's father ( who was a Tailor) was quite famous and these chaps came to pay him a visit. Drinks flowed and all had a good time over a hastily put together dinner, including myself. Thank you, Domnic, for bringing these memories to the fore as they had receded into the recesses of my mind. Your article on Cowdung, too, was an eye-opener for the present generation and enlightened the present generation. Keep up this great service to Goa and Goan culture as you are doing. Warm regards, Michael Karachi, Pakistan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20061006/67b02fbe/attachment.htm ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Exercise Improves Cancer Survival
--- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Given the much interest among Goanet readers in my > reporting on aspects of cancer, here is something > more.:=)) There is new evidence that exercise > improves cancer survival as reported in four new > reports. Two studies were done at Dana-Farber Cancer > Institute in Boston together with the Nurse's Health > Study. From an abstract of the paper, the authors > showed that "moderate exercise reduced women's risk > of dying from breast cancer by up to 50%". Studies > also looked at colon cancer. Larger randomized > clinical trials are being planned by the National > Cancer Institute and other cancer organizations. > Mario observes: > Gilbert, Now you have really gone too far with another medical kaneo, joining a conspiracy with my primary care physician, my live-in physician, my cardiologist and my oncologist in propagating the dangerous myth that I need to take time away from saving the world from the left-wing propaganda on Goanet to engage in the tiring, time consuming and sweaty activity called exercise:-)) > I am looking for the numerous studies I'm sure have been conducted by respectable medical organizations that show that that a) the benefits of exercise are offset by the wear and tear on the various joints and muscles, b) any benefit would include a decline in the girth that I have spent a lifetime cultivating, and c) any benefit will include the reprehensible possibility of extending my terminal stay in a nursing home by maybe an additional month at most, at great cost and consternation to the rest of my family:-)) > I am still averaging out the four hours of training per day that I engaged in during my several years as an athlete, when compared to the "moderate exercise" that you are suggesting, so I figure, even if your kaneo is accurate, I have done my share for one lifetime:-)) > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Joe's photos....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/262067315/?#comment72157594315202583 JoeGoaUK, some great photos. With your knowledge of the terrain, vivid childhood memories, your eagerness to explore various faces of Goa, together with the way you make use of your digital camera (to the optimum) and share your photos on Flickr.com... is creating a real useful resrouce in cyberspace. Keep up your good work! --FN -- -- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The Great Goan Kashti is The Traditional Dress and The National Flag of Goa !
Hi Carmo Methinks there is a small problem when you say that the Kashti is the national dress of Goa. You confine it to what men wore but as women did not wear the minimal kashti, I think you are forced to go back to the kunbi dress which includes the khasti for the male! But of course, I stand corrected. Was my point above missed out in your study? Just curious! Cornel - Original Message - From: "CARMO DCRUZ" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:58 AM Subject: The Great Goan Kashti is The Traditional Dress and The National Flag of Goa ! > Hi Cornel, We Sashtikars have done extensive research on the traditional > dress of the men-folk of Goa and have come to the unanimous conclusion > that the KASHTI IS THE TRADITIONAL DRESS OF GOA. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Press Release: Launching of Website and E-novel
If the information reaching me is not devoid of truth, Ismilda is also due to release very soon, before the end of this year, Alfredo de Mello's book of memoirs "From Goa to Patagonia", with a foreword by Teotonio R. de Souza. Jorge - Original Message - From: "Goanet News Service" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:58 AM Subject: [Goanet] Press Release: Launching of Website and E-novel > Press Release > > Ismilda proposes to publish another book in the near future titled World > Constitutionalism with contributions from twenty five prominent > academicians, ex-bureaucrats, world order NGOs , among others from India, > Europe, U.S.A, Australia. and Japan. > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] GOan Gulfees by Domnic Fernandes
Domnic Fernandes' article on the Goan Gulfee brought back memories ( around 1958) of my childhood when I met many of these guys around the Saddar area of Karachi where my Uncle Douglas after marrying a Miranda lady from Salcette was staying. Many of these Gulfees visited them while their ship was in Port. They were dressed as mentioned in the ' bring back the memories' article on the Goan Gulfees. Domnic is also bang on target regarding the things they carried. In fact, my Uncle and Aunt received many 'gifts' from these generous people. I still don't know why, but it seems that my aunt's father ( who was a Tailor) was quite famous and these chaps came to pay him a visit. Drinks flowed and all had a good time over a hastily put together dinner, including myself. Thank you, Domnic, for bringing these memories to the fore as they had receded into the recesses of my mind. Your article on Cowdung, too, was an eye-opener for the present generation and enlightened the present generation. Keep up this great service to Goa and Goan culture as you are doing. Warm regards, Michael Karachi, Pakistan ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] PONNOS (Pake v/s Agullim)
Thanks a lot for your lovely feedback. Yes, you are right. By quoting PAKE I was refering 'agullem ou agullim' the one seen in churches, banana ghello/top, Anteram, Antonam, Anona, Zagma, chickoo, Peram, Zam etc. However, pake also seen eating small fruits like jagma. Once we put a net (kanttalli) around the Jagomi Tree to trap agullinm and next monring we saw not only trapped agullim but two medium size pake and a green bird (kukur) too. Such agullim (bats) also seen in caves or bumyar/tunnels as in Raschol Seminary(Raitura). However, most prefer saying PAKE when it is actually agullim/bats. Agullim and Pake only seen during the night as I thing they are blind during the day as in owl. Pake/Agullim are Mammals (they don't lay eggs like birds) Arnold Noronha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joe: Thanks for that excellent repertoire of derivatives from "ponnos". You're doing more for the propagation of Goan harmony, culture and cuisine, and ultimately Goan pride, than all the sensational and invidious platitudes and acrimonious diatribes published ad nauseam. Your enlightening etymological throwbacks are fascinating especially when you link genuine Goan customs and patois endemically. I wish you could delight Goanet's readership consistently with a systematized compilation of your precious knowledge and interpretation of various facets of seminal Goan culture. It could include the fine arts, the culinary science and leading personalities from all walks with focus on culture and fine arts. If serialized it would facilitate Goanetters absorbing and digesting your fine presentations more effectively. I'm really enjoying what you give us readers. There's one item I'd like you to clarify. I always thought the "Bat" (flying fox) was called "Waghot". But you have referred to this airborne creature as "Pake". Is "Waghot" the larger version of the "Bat" or is the terminology/diction modified regionally.? If cooked by expert "cusneres", I can attest the resulting delicacy makes an excellent "amot tickh", mouth watering hot curry that will knock your socks off. Keep up the good work. Your contributions are a dignified and unique breath of fresh air in Goanet's cyberspace. Please give us more!!! Cheers Arnold > > >-- > >> >What ponnos ? > >Path Ponnos, Nirponnos, Katteam Ponnos, Rosal Ponnos, Kapo Ponnos, Borkoi >Ponnos ?? > >KAPO (in Bardes) the same is BORKOI in Shashtti >ROSALL in Bardes the same is just PONNOS in Shastti > >NIR-PONNOS in Bardes the same is PATH-PONNOS in Shastti > >So, what is katteam Ponnos ? >This is another variety of Ponnos. >Green in colour (little yellowish when riped) about 1 foot long and about >half foot wide >Inside is all while like cotton but juicy >Taste sour & Sweet >Most people don't eat it. >But it is my favourite, chill it for sometimes before eating 'Hobodda >Lagota' > >Some people call it 'Paum' (bread) yet some call it 'nir-ponnos' >The fruit attracts 'pake' (bats) >Usually June-July-August i think >Any body remember this ? > > >Other related terms/words about PONNOS >Ponnsa pana Viddi (cigar with leaf) >Ponnsa pana Folle (Sweet dish, funnel shape) >Ponnsa moder (Wood-Chairs, table etc) >Ponnsa Ghore >Ponnsa Bhiknamm (nuts) >Ponnsa Char >Ponnsa Pank/dhink (Gum -use to trap parrots etc) >Ponnsa Sattam (again, my favourite) > >Some related sayings: >Daddoun pikoilolea ponnsak ghost asoan >Ponnos kitloi dapun dovor, tacho vas eilea xivai ravona >Nak nak mun voklem deddxem ghore khaile >Pott bhorlem munntorich ghore ambott [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] FRIDAY BALCAO:Tackling suicide and mental illness in Goa
--- Welcome to the FRIDAY BALCAO --- Dear Cybergaonkars on Goanet, We continue with FRIDAY BALCAO on 13th October from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre No. 11, Liberty Apartments, Feira Alta, Mapusa Goa. TOPIC:Tackling Suicide and Mental illness in Goa SPEAKER: Open Discussion We invite you to express your viewpoint by attending the Friday Balcao event but if you cannot attend, then please send your views and action plan suggestions by post to FRIDAY BALCAO Post Box 78, Mapusa 403 507 or by email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best wishes, Roland Martins -- Don't miss out on the discussion. Information is power, Share it equitably. Lets make things happen in Goa !! -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Working On Issues Of Development & Democracy === ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] GOANS of KENYA - MOMBASA_newsletter
- Original Message - From: "r.barreto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goanet" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:11 AM Subject: [Goanet] GOANS of KENYA - MOMBASA_newsletter 0 GLOBAL GOANS - GOANS of KENYA - MOMBASA_newsletter = Issue No. 5/2006 Sept. 2006 10. PATRON SAINT OF GOA According to church official records the Patron Saint of Goa is St. Catherine of Alexandria on whose Feast Day 25 October 1510, Goa was conquered by the Portuguese under the command of Alfonso de Albuquerque. However, Goans have always honoured St. Francis Xavier as their Patrol Saint after he was canonized several years after the conquest. In recent years, Blessed Joseph Naik Vaz has been honoured as co-Patron of the See Cathedral in Old Goa. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - There is some confusion in the paragraph above. The truth is as follows: a) As regards the date of Goa's (re-)conquest by Afonso de Albuquerque, it was 25 November (not October) 1510. And the feast day of St. Catherine of Alexandria falls precisely on 25 November. b) St. Catherine is not and never was the Patron Saint of Goa. She was (and remains so) the Patron Saint of the Se Catedral of Goa. c) Blessed Joseph Vaz was officially proclaimed Patron of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman on 16 January 2000, his feast day. d) St. Francis Xavier has always been honoured by the people of Goa as "Goencho Saib" (Lord of Goa). Jorge ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] China and Russia
Goanetters Re the post below, I can say that, I have read Solzhenitsyn and Sharansky. I was particularly moved by Solzhenitsyn's account of prison slave labour in the Siberian wastes. I had some reservations about what was produced by Sharansky as his determined bid to seek exit from the Soviet Union, for Israel, was very evident in particularly demonising the Soviet Union. However, I am totally satisfied to have reported exactly what I, and those with me, witnessed over three weeks in 1969 in the western sector of the Soviet Union. Clearly, any difficulty over my factual reporting, could only be in someone seemingly incapable of understanding that there would inevitably be differences in different scenarios. A prison camp in Siberia would hardly be similar to the hive of activity in metropolitan Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev. Likewise, is it so difficult to understand that under American control, Guantanamo is not the same as trendy San Francisco, let alone the Rust Belt in the USA? Cornel - Original Message - From: "Mario Goveia" > Goanetters should read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn > and "Fear No Evil - The Classic > Memoir of One Man's Triumph over a Police State." by Natan Sharansky to > see whether citizens of the old Soviet Union really reconciled religion > with communism, or not. BTW, both these authors spent more > than three weeks in Russia in 1969. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Propagation of a falsehood (2)
Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The fact that it was incomprehensible to you and not > to several other readers is something you will have > to figure out for yourself. My dear Mario, If you read my post AND understood it, you may realize that is exactly what I said. I am going to post the following for the third time. Don't disappoint your fans by trying to avoid the questions again and again and again. Mervyn3.0 wrote to Mario: > 1) There is no trash section of the Goanet archives. > 2) It would really be interesting to know why you >think there is such a section. > 3) What makes you want to visit such a place? > 4) Why would you trip over when you are there? Mervyn3.0 BTW, you can have the last word defending the extremely badly written article. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] KONKAN CURRY: Crime and Punishment (2)
Dear Gabe, Has anyone ever logically ended a discussion with Mario Goveia on the Goanet or on Goenchim Xapotam? If not, why should I begin? The good book says, " When a wise man argueth with a fool, whether he laughs or raves, there is no end." Why even attempt, either left or right? Viva Goa Miguel From: Mario Goveia --- On 01/10/06, Mario Goveia wrote: > > Miguel, perhaps it is you who needs to keep Mark > Twain's admonition in mind at all times, to avoid > using inappropriate examples to make possibly > appropriate points:-)) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Ponnos, Pathponnos, Katteam ponnos, Antonam, Anteram, Sitaphal, Anonam, Custard Apples, Pake, Vagullim, Bats, Flying Foxes
Talking Photos: Ponnos, Pathponnos, Katteam ponnos, Antonam, Anteram, Sitaphal, Anonam,Custard Apples, Pake, Vagullim, Bats, Flying Foxes Ref. Ongoing debate on Goanet. Hope this will explain it all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/262725757/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Today's "latest research"
Hi Santosh
Below is the verification, if proof was needed, that the quarrel ("alleged
falsehood") you raise with my post is NOT the science, but perhaps the English
(language). Or likely your 'scientific canards' are just an attempt by you to
stand tall by standing on my shoulders and jumping on me - just another Goan
attitude.
I will respond to the outside opinion after I get the questions in the prior
posts on the expert answered. Of course, I have the right to response to your
"expert". Yet, in the interim perhaps you can write some original / innovative
posts so that Goanet readers, like me, are not getting tired with this thread.
In fact as you may know, the moderators are trying to end this thread. So
should we not try to bring this dialogue to a speedy end, instead of trying to
surreptitiously continue it under a different title? You have repeatedly
berated the moderators for showing no guts. I would like to show the
moderators some sensitivity and respect by taking their hint and heeding to
their request.
I compliment you for wanting to expose fallacies posted on Goanet, especially
the ones posted by some not in your camp. But should you not start with
yourself?
It has been alluded often, most recently by Filomena on this thread, that you
are a neurologist. Is not that false? This is especially since you do not
treat patients, (leave aside cancer patients), did not do a neurology
residency and do not have any board certification in that field. Would you not
call any reference to you as a neurologist as a gross misrepresentation of the
facts? I have never seen you correct the fact / record, when such is made. I
am not trying to demean you. Yet, once again are we being very selective in
applying 'high sounding' principles of exposing fallacies on Goanet?
Regards, GL
Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The post appended below sets the record straight.
--- Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) Gilbert's original article was extremely badly written.
> 2) A board certified oncologist can make mistakes.
> 3) There are people who are capable of pointing out mistakes that a person is
> making in another profession.
___
Goanet mailing list
Goanet@lists.goanet.org
http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Great Goan Kashti is The Traditional Dress and The National Flag of Goa !
Hi Cornel, I think the traditional dress of Goan women is the Kapol which is worn like a sari with the pallow thrown over the left shoulder or just wrapped around the waist. Looks like it is made of the same material as the Kashthi In winter they wear a shawl over it made of thicker white cotton called the "pangushe" But the comfortable Great Goan Kashti which is the National Flag of Goa and the traditional men's dress of Goa which I am wearing right now as I relax in the verrandah of a third floor condo on Indian Harbour Beach should be popularized and commercialized as an "in-vogue" costume of the Goans esp to the outsiders and the foreigners ! The feeling you get with the crisp Atlantic wind blowing is euphoric ! I beats the feeling of the tired "Render" toddy tapper perched on top of a coconet tree anytime ! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, INDIAn Harbour Beach, Florida >From: "cornel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CARMO DCRUZ" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL >PROTECTED]>,, >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: The Great Goan Kashti is The Traditional Dress and The >National Flag of Goa ! >Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:31:55 +0100 > >Hi Carmo >Methinks there is a small problem when you say that the Kashti is the >national dress of Goa. You confine it to what men wore but as women did not >wear the minimal kashti, I think you are forced to go back to the kunbi >dress which includes the khasti for the male! But of course, I stand >corrected. >Was my point above missed out in your study? Just curious! >Cornel >- Original Message - From: "CARMO DCRUZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:58 AM >Subject: The Great Goan Kashti is The Traditional Dress and The National >Flag of Goa ! >>Hi Cornel, We Sashtikars have done extensive research on the traditional >>dress of the men-folk of Goa and have come to the unanimous conclusion >>that the KASHTI IS THE TRADITIONAL DRESS OF GOA. > > ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
