[Goanet-News] FINEPRINT: Mining cutting sharply into tiny Goa, says new environmental report

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Mining cutting sharply into tiny Goa, says new environmental report

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PANJIM, Goa: Tiny Goa, one-thousandth the size of India,
contributes 15 percent of iron ore produced from the entire
country, and is paying the price for this, India's prime
environmental watchdog group has warned.

Goa mining an ecological disaster. The state needs stronger
regulations to manage mining in the backyard of people's
homes, farms and forests, said the New Delhi-based Centre
for says latest CSE 'State of India's Environment' study.

This citizens' report focuses on mining, focuses
significantly on issues arising out of Goa, and was released
here at a special function by Governor S.C.Jamir this week.

In Goa, it's the China factor (that's pushing up the demand
for iron ore phenomenally and prices too), said Ms Narain,
speaking at the release of the book. Goa mirrors what's
happening in the rest of India (but a bit more sharply), she added.

Economic growth is very important, but at what cost, she
added. Coming down hard and fast with figures, Narain noted
that mining was creating a shrinking number of jobs, due to
mechanisation.

Because of the density of population in India, it was but
natural that more people were being affected here, she added.
Yet, across India, data was lacking on the number of people
affected by mining.

In Goa, mining was happening in the backyards of people,
Narain said, referring to the activity that is concentrated
in the interior part of the state, and largely hidden from
the touristic coastal belt.

Ms Narain argued that the plethora of laws meant to
regulate mining, was only making the regulation
ineffective. She suggested that a few but effective laws and
agencies dealing with mining would be better.

She acknowledged that mining was needed, but of a kinder
nature. Narain called for a moratorium of mining in
biodiversity areas, and stressed that workable compliance
mechanisms were essential while regulators be given teeth.

  Mineral Foundation of Goa's Shreedhar, an industry
  body which offers socio-economic projects in mining
  affected areas, praised the book, but said it
  should have included some positive aspects of
  mining. He blamed illegal mining for the
  industry getting a bad name in Goa.

But his promise for building a four-lane bridge over a Goa
river, and de-silting a 12-km river, were later questioned by
local green campaigners. Salesian brother Philip argued the
bridge was meant for mining trucks, and challenged the
industry to clear major rivers like the Mandovi and Zuari
that turn muddy red in part of the year due to mining rejects
washed down their course.

Goa Mineral Foundation (GMF) has also offered eco
regeneration projects, including in watershed projects.

But villagers, present for the meet, made impassioned pleas
about their damaged ecology.

Said Salvador Dias of Columb: Even politicians are involved
in doing mining (illegally). When we protest, the police
threaten us. We see tigers in our village areas, because the
natural habitat is getting demolished.

Suhas Prabhudessai narrated how mining rejects had damaged
his property, making him go to the lower court, the high
court and the supreme court. I don't know how long I can
keep doing this, he complained, and said property built up
over generations was being finished.

Almost in tears, a rustic woman, Milagrine said mining
operations were blocking their access to their fields, and
'goondas' and police were sent in to break up protests. They
come along and catch our kids too, she said, speaking after
the book release.

Goa-based environmentalist Dr Claude Alvares, whose campaigns
since the mid-seventies have created a generation of talented
green youngsters here, made an emotional speech. He said:
How do we restore even 1 hactare of forests, in one of the
12 ecology hotspots in the planet (the area around Goa)?
Forests don't grow out of compensatory afforestation.

He pointed to spiralling iron-ore prices, and said the
industry was polluting Goa's rivers, fields, wildlife and
watersheds. This is not a sustainable industry at all, said he.

Even if Goa has smaller scale mining (compared to big
states), its impact is more because it is 'backyard mining',
said Narain.

This just-released report disputes the contention that
mining is essential for growth or employment. CSE says its
data shows that some of the least developed and most polluted
regions of the country are mining hotspots.

Called 'Rich Lands Poor People', the report from the network
founded by the prominent Indian environmental late Anil
Agarwal recommends that mining must not be allowed without
the consent of the people and if the environmental and social
costs outweigh its economic gains.

  Some figures thrown up by the report: With less
  than 0.1 per cent of the geographical area of the
  country, Goa already has 8 per cent of its land
  area under mine leases and 

[Goanet-News] Remembering The Apostle of Peace, Non-Violence

[Goanet News Service]

Remembering The Apostle of Peace, Non-Violence
by Nandkumar Kamat


ALMOST three generations have witnessed a transforming India after the 
brutal assassination of Mahatma Gandhi on January 30, 1948 at 5.17 p.m. His 
60 th death anniversary is an important day for the whole world which faces 
two interesting situations-the threat of global warming and the rising wave 
of mindless terrorism. Gandhiji had correctly predicted such a state of 
affairs. Mahatma Gandhi became a martyr for the noble cause of peace. No 
mass leader of modern times has combined politics with spirituality so 
effectively to become a powerful moral force. A senior IAS officer, V. 
Ramamurthy, after retirement wrote a beautiful series of articles- Mahatma 
Gandhi- The last 200 days in Chennai's The Hindu from July 15, 1997 to 30 
January 1998.


These have been published as a collection in the compendium-from the pages 
of The Hindu. About the 200 th day, the last day in Mahatmaji's life- 
Ramamurthy has written- Barrister, servant of society, relentless toiler 
for the freedom of his people, non violent crusader for amity and peace, and 
pillar of the Indian national congress, Gandhiji had been working on a draft 
revised constitution for the party almost endlessly. The work had left the 
frail man of 107 pounds severely exhausted. On January 29, 1948 he had told 
his associates,  I am very tired. Yet I must finish this task. Gandhiji 
was actually writing a detail plan - a roadmap of recasting the Congress 
party and empowering the people from the grassroots. Gandhiji wanted to 
disband the existing congress organization and convert it into a Lok Sevak 
Sangh. But this did not happen after his death. In reality the Indian 
Parliamant took 45 years after his death to consider some concessions to the 
grass roots after passing the 73 rd and 74 th amendments to the 
constitution.


But even these are yet to be implemented in letter and spirit. Ramamurthy 
has captured the final moments of Mahatmaji- Friday, January the 30 th , 
began on the calendar from the midnight hour. Gandhiji's working schedule 
had him out of bed a just over three hours later. He completed his morning 
preparations, composed his troubled mind, and said his morning prayer. 
Ramamurthy tells us about his engagements till evening. He had a meeting 
with Sardar Patel in the evening which had delayed him for the evening 
prayer meeting. Gandhiji was worried about the differences between Nehru and 
Patel. I reproduce here the last moments of Mahatmaji so vividly captured by 
Ramamurthy- Gandhiji told the Sardar- Now I must tear myself away !. 
Leaning on the shoulders of Abha and Manu, Bapu walked towards the dais from 
where he would listen the devotionals and then deliver his speech.. Abha 
remarked lightly to Gandhiji that the watch dangling from the waist was 
bound to feel neglected as he would not look at tit all. Bantering in his 
turn, the Mahatma said,  Why should I, since you two are my time-keepers?


As he ascended the rise to approach the dais, he told the two girls,  it is 
your fault that I am ten minutes late. It is the duty of nurses to carry on 
their work even if God himself should be present there. If it is time to 
give medicine to a patient, and a nurse feels hesitant to do so, the poor 
patient will die. So it is with the medicine of prayer. It irks me if I am 
late for prayers by even a minute.. The last conversational remarks had 
been made. The very last steps Bapu would take were now being taken. Past 
the steps he was now coming towards the dais. Gandhiji took his arms from 
the shoulders of Abha and Manu to fold his hands and acknowledge the benign 
smile, eyes shining from behind his wire framed glasses, the namaskars many 
offered to him.


Now with a namaskar that was like a Judas kiss, there came a thickset man 
clad in a bush-shirt, with nads folded. He approached Gandhiji frontally. As 
the man bowed, Manu tried to dissuade him from touching Bapu's feet as she 
thought he was trying to do. The strong man pushed her away brusquely, 
impatiently: he wanted a clear line of fire for the Beretta pistol he had 
drawn from a trouser pocket. Now there ring out three shots in quick 
succession. Even from a child they cannot miss their mark from that almost 
point-blank range. Two bullets enter one after another the right side of the 
chest of the frail man on his last walk. The third goes into the right side 
of the Mahatma's abdomen. Bapu's uplifted foot falters as the first bullet 
strikes.


As the second and the third hit, he sinks gently to the floor, breathing out 
his last two words, holy in thankfulness or supplication, He Ram!. His 
voice will speak no more. The crimsoning sunset on the sky witnesses the 
green smooth lawn around the crumpled victim, his clothes staining red from 
precious life-blood. Within minutes Bapu will be dead. The time is 5.17 p.m. 
An epoch has ended. That was the last day of a great life. Mahatma Gandhi's 

[Goanet-News] Goa news for January 30, 2008

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** India I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa  Viva Kerala -
Goal.com
[18 hours ago]  I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa  Viva
Kerala Dempos consecutive defeats have certainly added spice to
the I-League and the battle for places at the ...
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*** #152;Lease clearance mechanism weak in Goa - Hindu
[5 hours ago]  Panaji: In Goa, private miners are making
windfall profits, but the government and the people are seeing
none of it, Centre for Science and Environment ...
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*** Goa shivers in cold - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  The Goa meteorological department sources
informed that the severe cold wave being experienced by north
India hastravelled down to Goa and the state is in ...
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*** IM Vijayan says he isnt aware of veterans meet - Pune
Newsline
[4 hours ago]  Meanwhile, Bruno Coutinho said that though he
was aware of the tournament and the Goa XI team had started
practicing for it, he would not be a part of the ...
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*** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Monday, January 28,
2008 - Herald Publications
[Jan 27, 2008]  Cheerleaders perform during a competition for a
place in the 2008 Beijing Olympics, at a theatre in Beijing.
Cheerleading squads from across the country are ...
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*** Goa Carbon employees demand bonus - The Statesman
[Jan 25, 2008]  25: At least 400 employees of Goa Carbon staged
a peaceful dharana in front of the administrative office of the
company today. The employees were demanding ...
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*** MOGO Media Announces New Conferences for 2008 - PR Newswire
(press release)
[8 hours ago]  All conference registrants will receive a free
pass to the GOA show floor. For those who cannot attend the
conferences or attendees who want to take home ...
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*** Jamir calls for effective polity in Goa - Hindu
[Jan 26, 2008]  Panaji, (PTI): Goa Governor SC Jamir on
Saturday advocated stable and effective polity for the greater
glory of the tiny coastal state. ...
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*** Mumbai FC training in Goa - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Margao, Jan 28 Mumbai FC, Mumbais newly-formed
football club is in Goa on a two-week preparatory camp to gear
up for the Second Division National Football ...
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*** Goa retain JSKA national title - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Panaji, Jan 28 Team Goa emerged champions in
IInd Japan Shotokan Karate Association (JSKA) National
Championship organised by All-Goa Karate-Do Association ...
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Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] Is Konkani Goa's pride ...or just vanity?

[Miguel Braganza]

Dears,

One wonders what has happened to the print media in Goa. Except for
the GT, no newspaper in Goa thought it fit to carry in its 28 January
edition the entry of KONKANI, through the Konkani Nirantari, in to the
records of Guinness book on 27 January, 2008. Even the Konkani
language Sunaparant carried the report on 29 January [thankfully on
page one]. The Navhind Times found space only on page 15!

The GT has done us proud by carrying the report on page one on 28
January itself and following it the next day with another page one
report, both with photos! Two troupes from Goa were given prime time
at the Konkani Nirantari, without discrimination. In fact, almost as
affirmative action on the unity of the Konkan.

Almost all newspapers were sent information and photos on 26 and 27
January, 2008, courtesy facilities provided by Daiji world at the
venue. Yet, they remained in stark contrast to the English, Kannada
and even Tulu newspapers throughout Karnataka, including the local
editons of Times of India and Indian Express, that gave the event
coverage on 27 and 28 January, 2008.

The newspapers in Goa perhaps find their match in the generosity of
the Goan diaspora. Not for them is the generosity of Ronald Colaco
. or Ronald Mendonca, for that matter.

And KONKANI just happens to be Goa's OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ;-)

Mog asundi.

Miguel

KONKANI made it to the GUINESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS !

Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:06 am (PST)
Mangalore Jan 27, 2008: Teamwork is the ability to work together
toward a common vision. The ability to direct individual
accomplishment toward organizational objectives. It is the fuel that
allows common people to attain uncommon results. ~Andrew Carnegie.
Carnegie said that, knowing fully well the power of team work. And
today the Mangaloreans know it for sure too. The Konkani Nirantari
Team from Mangalore has proved that you can accomplish just about
anything if you are a team. The committed contribution of each and
every member of this spectacular team has resulted in their success
today. The Non-stop Singing Marathon or the Konkani Nirantari has
placed itself on the world cultural map never to be wiped out again at
exactly 10 pm today. History has been made and history being history
can never be changed.

When the thought of the Konkani Nirantari was first planted in the
minds of the organizing committee, it was just a small seed; but one
which grew to enormous proportions as the months went by and today at
its culmination, the whole town of Mangalore is a part of it. This is
a matter of great pride to each and every Mangalorean, even the one's
who have not taken an active part in it.
All the arms of the media that include T.V. Channels, Websites and
Newspapers have given the Konkani Nirantari their unstinted support
and encouragement. Above all the word of mouth publicity and the
encouragement of the common people of Mangalore who stood behind the
Nirantari, has also led to its success. There has been unity among the
participants and unity among the spectators and all for a common cause
– to see the Nirantari achieve what it set out to do. The Konkani
Nirantari has brought all the Mangaloreans together as never before.

Keith Pullin  thanked Eric Ozario, Louis Pinto, Arun Raj Rodrigues and
Ronald Colaco for their commitment to the cause. He then paused for a
dramatic moment and then declared the Konkani Nirantari as having made
it to the Guinness Book of World Records.
Following this Mr. Ronald Colaco addressed the gathering. He praised
Mandd Sobhann for their relentless search to raise funds for this huge
project. He also praised the Mangaloreans for their support and
requested them to continue to support their Konkani culture. He then
handed over a cheque of Rs. 2.5 Million to the Mandd Sobhann
President, Mr. Louis Pinto. He also handed over a second cheque to Mr.
Eric Ozario.

The closing ceremony came to an end with a befitting speech by the
much respected and loved Gurkar of Mandd Sobhann Shri Eric Ozario.
Eric thanked each and every person who was instrumental in helping to
make this event a success. While he thanked the media, he also made a
special mention of Mangalorean.com and appreciated their efforts in
supporting the Konkani Nirantari.

VIVA GOA


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Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts,
Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa
Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh

[sonia gomes]

Is there some effort on Goanet to search for true
goans? There are Charis all over, I know that they are
wonderful metal workers. 
People move all the time, I met a family called Pai in
Kerala, originally from Goa but moved to Kerala a long
time ago. They go to Goa everytime there is something
of importance in the family, a wedding, a journey
abroad, they however did not know a word of Konkani
but are fluent in Malayalam. What are they goans or
Malayalis ? Does it matter ?

Warm wishes,

Sonia
--- Kamalaksh Chari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Reena was absolutely right in mentioning that Charis
 are from Tamil
 Nadu. Here, Charis are brahmins.
 
 The Viswakarmas, on the other hand, are called
 Acharis in Tamil Nadu and 
 Kerala.
 
 Cheers,
 RKN
 
 RESPONSE:
 Whatever efforts you and Reena put together won't
 deny  my Identity as a 
 true Goan.
 Getting names on RationCard, EPIC, Driving licences
 in Goa doesn't prove to 
 be a Niz-Goenkaar.
 Also that won't help you in becoming a Niz-goenkar
 either.
 Chari's are spread all over Goa, you can ask any
 Goenkar regarding Chari, 
 they won't deny our origin as Goenkar.
 We are Goans for generation serving the Goans doing
 carpentary, blacksmithy, 
 artwork and have made good names in all those
 fields.
 May be Reena has lost the topic(battle) completely
 regarding surnames.
 By the way i happen to search wikipedia and found
 these about Martins, There 
 were no single word relating them to Goa.How
 about this.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martins
 Below is about Nairs
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nair
 
 Nowadays all ghatis are proving niz-goenkars as
 outsiders and calling 
 themselves as Goenkars. May be because they are
 marching towards being a 
 majority, with the blessings of Digu kaka.
 
 Regards,
 
 Kamalaksh
 
 
 



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Re: [Goanet] Digamber Kamat - Star attraction of the circus in Goa

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

anand virgincar wrote:
This fairly large sized advertisement  ( with the usual chubby and 
bemused photograph of Digamber Kamat staring out of one corner ) 
appeared in the paper edition of the Navhind times on 25 January 2008 :

The jpeg of Digu-ji's circus act -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/digu-the-clown.jpg


Regards,


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association with National Institute of 
Oceanography, Dona – Paula, will be organizing a 
two day National seminar on “Advances in 
Nanomaterials and Drug delivery” at NIO on 
22-23rd February 2008. This Seminar cum workshop 
is aimed to cover novel synthetic strategies of 
nanomaterials, applications in Information 
Technology  Electronic industry, and Challenges 
in drug delivery and strategies to address the challenges of 21st century.


Nanotechnology is one of the most 
exciting research areas at present, which may 
lead to the some of the greatest Scientific and 
technological advances in this country. 
Currently, India is focusing on academic areas of 
nanotechnology, which trains the young generation 
so that they can take up challenges of 
nanotechnology when it comes up in a big way in a 
decade. Nano-science and Nanotechnology has 
revolutionized the electronic and information 
technology industry. The emergence of 
nanotechnology is having a significant impact on 
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Industrial organizations, faculty 
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Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANS synonymous with LOVE

[Nigel Britto]

Dear Bhandare,

I couldn't agree more. And about Christians synonymous with love, not all of
them are. The man who gave the order to drop the Atom Bomb in Japan was a
Christian.

Truth Liberates,
Nigel Britto

http://amicusnaturae.blogspot.com

[Goanet] Junk Bilboards

[Deelip Menezes]

http://thegoablog.blogspot.com/2008/01/junk-billboards.html

Is this even legal?

Deelip Menezes 

Re: [Goanet] Denudation of Curca Hill - Photos

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

Today (Jan 29), the activists of Utt Goenkara led by Aires
Rodrigues and Amol Navelkar went to the Goa Medical 
College and confronted Bhagatsingh Sonaye in the office
of the Deputy Director of GMC (the Dean was out of town).

Mr Sonaye, who is allegedly involved in the shaving of
the hill at Curca (see earlier post appended below) and
who allegedly uses the GMC premises for his private
business, wilted under the volley of questions fired at 
him by Aires.

The Utt Goenkara stratagem may offer a hint of the way
forward with citizens taking over the job our criminally 
delinquent govt was elected to do in the first place.  
Form citizen's cadres in our towns, villages, vadde etc 
and go after the violators.

Regards,


r


--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To Goanet -
 
 Yesterday the Utt Goemkara activists stormed into Curca
 and put a stop to the hill cutting  clearing.  It was reported
 in the papers that the man responsible for this activity was
 a bhailo named Bhagatsingh Sonaye who is an employee at
 the Goa Medical College.
 
 This photo shows the denuded hillside as well as a swatch
 of ugly development on the right side of the hill.  The person
 responsible for both is Mr. Sonaye.  Only in Goa could an
 outsider walk in and mess up with our pristine areas with
 such impunity -
 
 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/curca-hill-1.jpg
 
 
 A long view of the area -
 
 http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/curca-hill-2.jpg
 



  

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[Goanet] The Carmo-Manohar Panjim Reunion

[Roland Francis]

Since the patent on his traditional Goan Kashti had been long in
coming from Tallahassee the capital, Carmo decided to go without
further delay to Goa. His old friend Manohar seemed to need both
systems engineering and major funding in his political shenanigans.
The systems engineering he would delegate to Balbir Singhji senior and
he Carmo would concentrate on the slush funds.

Carmo had a plan in mind. He had recently met the new Saudi
ambassador-designate to Washington and had become his best friend.
Manohar too, had also become such a friend, a long time ago in IIT.
Carmo was promised untold wealth that he could share with Manohar, in
return for 'facilitation' to build a grand mosque opposite Panjim
Doordarshan. One that would rival the Al Faisal in Islamabad. Carmo
counted his wealth in Cuban rum and that much money would be more than
sufficient to buy him enough bottles for a thousand lifetimes despite
his infinite capacity. Manohar on the other hand needed to buy
legislators and they didn't come cheap these days. Would the BJP be a
problem to the mosque? Not at all. Manohar like a true-blooded Goan
politician was ready to sell his closest relative down the Mandovi,
let alone some ideology or some forgotten promises to throw the
Karnataka Muslims into the Arabian Sea.

So Carmo flies to Goa not without the usual incidents. Mostly related
to the consumption of alcohol on board the plane. While Air India has
a maximum of one or two drinks in mind for its transcontinental
flyers, to Carmo that would be insulting alcohol. This
misunderstanding was finally solved with Carmo buying all the
duty-free on board for his personal in flight consumption and an
announcement on the PA system by the chief steward that sorry, they
had forgotten to carry the duty-free on this flight.

After 20 hours of a sozzled journey, in peaceful ignorance of winter
turbulence and oblivious to the other passengers givng him scathing
looks every time he passed wind and snored - often simultaneously -
Carmo reached Dabolim. The Punjabis in the plane though, had given him
warm looks. Here after all was a fellow desi, drinking like there was
no tomorrow and expelling all that Sarson ka Saag.

Manohar was waiting in Panjim. He was told by his cronies that some
Goan American friend of his was coming to Goa to see him. And that
this friend was bringing him a lot of money. At first he thought it
was his friend Rajan. But no. Rajan had been a long time in Goa and as
happens to any overseas Goan who spends more than a month there, he
was ready to tap his relatives for further green. Was he not chasing
security guards and defecating ghanttis all over Campal and Mira Mar,
camera in hand. Was he not spending endless hours staring jaw dropped
at sleeping forms beneath statues and in city parks. Would a man with
money do all that? Manohar could not imagine that all this Rajan was
doing with sorrow in his heart for his beloved Goa. After all Manohar
was a Goan politcian and other than money, nothing tugged at his
heartstrings. So friend or not, Carmo was in for a warm welcome. He
had had enough of his friends crossing over to the other side and his
party big-wigs contemplating whether there was in their ranks, a more
suitable future CM for Goa than he.

Now Carmo, although carrying expensive air totes on his shoulders, was
showing the effects of a 20 hour flight and innumerable chottas under
his belt. And Manohar though having enough personal funds to buy out
the Gucci company thanks to his past Chief minstership, was in sordid
clothes since he intended to get the ghantti vote bank for himself by
dressing up as one of the boys. He wanted to show Digamber that two
could play at the ghantti game.

So camera slung over one's shoulder, airbags hanging over anothers and
a money satchel on the third, the three men met. Manohar did not leave
his house without at least 5 crores in his bag. Who knew which
legislator or minister he would meet. Carmo looked around for a bar.
Since the Caravela was right in front, Carmo suggested it.

Rajan's mind was working overtime. He was short of photgraphs. He had
exhausted all the ghanttis, sleeping figures, denuded hillsides, and
Orrisa security guards he could find. His viewing public caught up in
the rage against the ghanttis, were baying for blood, scandal and
righteousness. Never mind if they chose to exercise all three in the
comfort of their homes on those very hillsides that were denuded.
Rajan cunningly suggested they take a leak before they entered
Caravela.

Now anybody familiar with Panjim knows that there is no convenience on
that stretch of road except for the low walls. Had not Rajan taken one
of his famous photos of an office-goer doing the unthinkable on those
very walls? Whatever inhibitions Carmo had, had long since gone after
his 20th shot of the dark stuff. Manohar on the other hand as a good
host, was ready to do whatever his guest needed to do. So down came
the flies and out came the camera and 

[Goanet] Re : My One Point Agenda

[Philip Thomas]

I need a clarification regarding whether you feel there is some route other
than what I have proposed to bring about a sustained change for the better
in Goa... You said :It may be better to invest in the long term agenda
upfront. [Anand Virgincar]

Hmm. I can see there is a slight communication problem due to semantics
centred on your word agenda. I thought of it in the sense of a list of
points for discussion. And I felt you had narrowed it down prematurely to
politics/parties/personalities (tunnel vision). I thought one needs to
have a broad gauged historical perspective before putting any plan into
action.

Now I sense that you think of agenda in terms of a to do list for the
future. You have already decided on some long term plan to fix Goa and the
first item is overthrow the present government. To me this seems like
Ready, fire, aim. All I was suggesting, theoretically, was that we
understand the Goa problem correctly and then devise a solution. This is the
right solution  for the right problem (in contrast to right solution for
the wrong problem or wrong solution for the right problem). Hope this
helps.

[Goanet] Fwd: Maina Six won Fr. Aurilio Floodlight Volleyball Tournament

[JOAO FERNANDES]

  Maina Six won the 9th Fr. Aurilio Peris memorial Volleyball Floodlight 
Tournament organized by United Boys of Ambaulim at Ambaulim Volleyball ground.
  In an exciting final which was witnessed by around 1500 spectators Maina Six 
overcome the stiff challenge of Xeldem  by 25-23, 20-25, 25-16, 14-25 and 
15-12. After losing the first set Xeldem put a brilliant show with the 
brilliant performance from Pravas Naik and Krishna Dessai and comfortably won 
the second and the  fourth. In the final and deciding when side were changed 
both teams were leveled at  8 all. 
   
  However in the final movement the brilliant combined performance put forth by 
Reymond Satiago and Joseph at the net and Glore D’melo in defence and three  
shot out of Xeldem enable maina Six to snatch the match from Xeldem and win the 
final .
   
  Maina Six were awarded cash prize of Rs.7000/- and a Rolling Trophy at  the 
hands of Chief guest Quepem MLA Shri Chandrakant kavlekar  and Zilla Panchayat 
Member Subhash Fall Dessai while Xeldem were awarded a cash prize of Rs.4000/-. 
Krishna Dessai of Xeldem was declared best player of the tournament. 
   
  ( Photo annexed: Seen in the Photo Quepem MLA and GIDC Chairman Shri 
Chandrakant kavlekar giving away  the rolling trophy to the captain of Maina 
Six team. Other seen are ZP member Subhash Fal Dessai, club president Adv. John 
Fernandes and Vice Chairperson of QMC Paulo Fernandes)
   
  
   
  Francisco Clemento of Fire services won the cross country road race organized 
by youth Club of Quepem to mark the republic day on 26th January from Quepem 
town to Curchorem. 
  The competition was held in senior and junior category . In senior  category 
Francisco Clemento stood first who covered the 7 kms distance in 35 mts. he  
was followed by  Prasapa Binji and Arvind kumar. Clemento was awarded a cash 
prize of Rs.3000/- while Binji and Arvind were respectively awarded a cash 
prize of Rs.2000/- and Rs.1000/- each. 
  In Junior category Maxy Oliveira stood fist followed by Vikas velip and 
Mahesh Borkar. Maxy was awarded a cash prize of Rs.2000/- while Vikas and 
Mahesh were awarded a cash prize of Rs.1000 and 750/- 
   
  Earlier the rally was flaged off by Quepem MLA and GIDC Chairman Shri 
Chandrakant kavlekar from Quepem town while CCMC Chairperson Abay Khadeparker 
awarded the prizes to the winners. 
   
  ( Photo annexed : seen in the photo Quepem MLA and GIDC Chairman flagging off 
the rally ) 


   
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[Goanet] SPORTS: Sporting looking to garner full points against Viva Kerala

[Goanet News]

Sporting looking to garner full points against Viva Kerala
Tuesday January 29 2008 00:00 IST

PTI

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PANAJI: Sporting Clube de Goa are looking to garner full points when
they meet Viva Kerala in the 14th round of the ONGC I-league, at Nehru
stadium, Margao.

Both the teams drew 1-1 in the first leg. Sporting Clube de Goa are on
seventh place with 13 points. While, Viva Kerala are one point behind
them are on eight position.

Tuesday's match is crucial for both the teams as a defeat for either
will put them in the relegation zone.

Sporting club will be missing Wilton Gomes, Samananda (injury) and
Denzil Franco due to double booking. But the return of Joseph Pereira
from injury will add more strength in the midfield.

While Viva Kerala has no injury worries, will be playing to their full
strength. It will be a good contest tomorrow as Viva Kerala is also a
good side with good foreign striker. They had a good start in the
league beating top teams but its their inexperience that has let them
down and we are going to exploit it tomorrow as we are confident of a
win, stated Peter Vaz, sporting's team president.

[Goanet] Jan 30, 2008 - the 60th anniversary of the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi

[J. Colaco jc]

January 30, 2008 marks the 60th anniversary of the assassination of
Mahatma Gandhi.

At a time when young and bright minds are being brain-washed into
violence, I suggest that we should pray for peace. Those who love
peace should NEVER support the assassins of the late Mahatma and their
soulmates.

jc
Violence is never the solution.

[1]

A fairly comprehensive reference article
http://www.mkgandhi.org/assassin.htm


[2]

Some interesting quotes

By the grace of God I have escaped from the jaws of death seven times.
I have not hurt anybody nor do I consider anybody to be my enemy. I
can't understand why there are so many attempts on my life.
Yesterday's attempt on my life has failed. I will not die just yet. I
aim to live till the age of 125.

– Mohandas K. Gandhi, at a prayer meeting in Pune.

If I am to die by the bullet of a mad man, I must do so smiling. There
must be no anger within me. God must be in my heart and on my lips..

Mohandas K. Gandhi, on January 28, 1948

[Goanet] The Right Move book on chess and education released

[SHRIKANT BARVE]

“The Right Move” released.
Bhismacharya in chess fraternity, 90-year-old
Bahusaheb Padasalgikar from Nutan Buddhibal Mandal,
Sangli, inaugurated the 2-day Symposium on Pre-Primary
 Primary School Education  Primary School Students
Chess Festival At International Centre, Dona Paula on
Republic day. There were street play, discussion on
chess, sport, education as also different chess
tournaments. This event was organised by Taleigao
Chess Academy and International Centre Goa in
association with Goa State Chess Association and
Cortalim Chess Club International Centre Goa at Dona
Paula on Republic Day January 26  27 2008.

Bhausaheb was felicitated at the inaugural function by
Goa State Chess Association Secretary Shri. Suhas
Asnodkar. Other dignatories present at this occasion
were Brigadiuer (retd) N H Braganza, GM International
Centre and Dr Satish S. Thigale, Director Symbiosis,
Pune. 

“The Right Move” a book on articles on Chess and
Education edited by Shrikant Barve was released at
this occasion. 

Mr Manish Kamble, President of Taleigao Chess Academy
welcomed  and Mr Shrikant Barve, secretary of Taleigao
Chess Academy proposed the vote of thanks. Mr Jovito
Lopes compered.

Street play on the theme “Changes in our schooling
over the years” were presented by Little Lamb Primary
School, Taleigoa and Vidhya Vikas Academy, Margao.

On first day in the morning session Dr S S Thigale,
director Symbiosis, Pune, spoke on Diploma in Chess
introduced by their institution in a discussion “Chess
and Education. Other panellist were Prof.  Augusto
Pinto, Dempo College of Commerce and Economis and Vice
President Goa State Chess Association and Prof.
S.U.Kamat, Dempe College. There Panellist also
answered questions raised by parents. 

On 27th January in discussion “Sports should
complement studies and parents who find that their
children have the potential to make big in sports need
to encourage them,” was the overwhelming view at the
symposium on “sports as a career” Mr V M Prabhudesai,
SAG’s executive director, Mr Sameer Salgaocar,
president of Goa State Chess Association, Mr Tonito
Botelho, GFA executive member, Mr Nolel Lima Leitao,
TV commentator and Goa Ranji star Robin D’Sousa were
the ones who expressed their views at the debate which
was moderated by Mr Jovito Lopes.

In the afternoon session on Jan 26  Prof. Anil Samant,
Saraswat Vidyalaya, Mapusa, Prof. Vasundhara
Varkhedkar, Dempe College, Panaji, Shri Ganesh
Manerikar interrogated with parents in marathi. In a
discussion theme “ Buddhibal aani Vyaktimatva”. On Jan
27 Shri Manohar Joshi spoke on “Baalasangopan”. 

Parents of chess players Umang Kaisare Mr. Tanay
Kaisare , Mrs. Sujata Kaisare parents  of Hari Mohanan
 took part in question answer type discussion on 
“Grooming a Chess Player” on Jan 26 and on Jan 27 
Parents of Anurag Mhamal answered the quires raised by
parents in Marathi 

On Jan 26 evening two brilliant children from Goa
shown their skills on the board. 
1. Double world champ Ivana Maria Furtado drew with
veteran Padasalgikar who is considered the father of
chess in India. The battle went for over 3 hours.
Ivana could not convert her slight exchange advantage.
Bhau had a better space advantage. Finally Ivana
agreed for a draw with Bishop and a pawn against
Bhau’s two separated pawns. “Improve your Middle Game”
was veterans advice to world champ.  

2. There was brilliant display on chess board skill by
young Umang Kaisare from Sharada Mandir, Miramar. He
played simultaneous games against24 students. Rs.
500/- were on stake for the winner from the organiser.
Umang won all games except one. Game against Aniruddha
Bhat from Child Care School, Margao ended in a draw.
Aniruddha Bhat received cash award of Rs.150/- from
the organiser. Umang upheld the trust reposed on him
by the organisers. 

On Jan 27 evening Lightning Chess Tournament for
special 8 invitees were held. Vasant Naik proved his
skills against young promising players like Anurag
Mhamal, Umang Kaisery and won all four games.  

Manashakti Prayog Kendra Lonavala and Vidhya Vikas
Academy, Margao had put there educational stall at the
venue. They also made their presentations at
symposium.

The major attraction of the event was Primary School
Students Chess tournament. It was held in eight
categories for I to IV, boys and girls separately. 310
children from 55 schools that took part included one
from West Bengal, 3 from Kolhapur, 3 from Pune and 4
from Mumbai. Prizes for first 10 in each category were
distributed at the hands of Chief Guest Bhausaheb
Padasalgikar and Guest of Honour Sameer Salgaocar,
(Vice President AICF, President GSCA, ). Anurag Mhamal
(185 Elo Points)  Cyrus Pereira were awarded special
trophies for their achievements.  List of Prize
winners are given below.   
Girls
First Std. 
Placing NameScore   Progressive School
1   Dempo S.S., Vidula  7   28  Sharada Mandir
School,Panaji
2   Naik Gaonker, Sakshi6   22  

Re: [Goanet] See this and weep

[Eddie Fernandes]

-Original Message-
From:  Rajan P. Parrikar
Presented here is a slew of remarkable photographs shot 
c. 1900 by Guerra Souza of Souza  Paul ... The photos are currently
stored in the 
archives of the Central Library in Panjim ...The negatives, I understand,
were sold not 
too long ago by the Souza nincompoops to a bhailo for a song.


Rajan,

Thanks for locating the Souza  Paul photos at Panjim Central Library.
Approximately how many photos do they have there?

One of  your finds, old-panjimview-2.jpg appears on page 59 of:
Goa: memoria e imagine. By Giovanni Ferracuti.  Edizioni Lybra Immagine.
1991. 128 pages. 110 photos. ISBN 88-8223-014-7. Price: Euro 20,65. Full
details at 
http://www.lybra.it/sito_lybra_2002/inglese/catalogue/archive/framesetcatalo
go.htm

It is a remarkable book (published in Italy) containing the “best” of the
Souza Paul collection (circa 1889) and I chanced on it in Lisbon, about 15
years ago. 

Also worth mentioning:

Postais Antigos do Estado da Índia. By João Loureiro. 128 pages. 1998.
Published by Fundacao Macau. 182 photos covering 1900 – 1930 with a few from
the 1950’s. Price HK$200

Both books have bibliographies and there is a reference to a book published
c.1900 specifically on the Souza Paul photographs of Goa but I have not been
able to track down a copy or even another reference to it!

Eddie Fernandes

[Goanet] Save Colamb from mining terrorism!

[sebastian Rodrigues]

Gawda, Kunbi, Velip and Dhangar Federation (GAKUVED) yesterday marched through 
the streets of Panjim in a silent protest in Solidarity with People from 
Colamb, Sanguem, Goa. Around 120 people from different parts of Goa 
participated in the march. It was organised to create awareness about possible 
anhilation of the Colamb village from the Map of Goa if the mining industry is 
allowed to let loose in the village.

The banner in a protest procession blarred Save Colamb from mining terrorism. 
This is important as Fomentos are carring on the mining trade in Colamb against 
the wishes of local adivasis under police protection. State of Goa and Unioun 
of India are collaborating with mining company's act of terrorism with thier 
active support. For more details log on the colamb people's protest log on to 
www.mandgoa.blogspot.com 

After the protest march group then participated in the book release function of 
the CSE publication on mining Rich Lands, Poor People in Panjim.

Warmly,
Seby



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Re: [Goanet] About Vegetarian Food: Taiwanese Treats for Chinese New Year

[JOHN MONTEIRO]

On the subject of Vegetarian Fayre, thought I would pass on this, from 
   
  www.about.com site that I have subscribed to, not only for vegetarian recipes
  but also for other subjects of interest. 
   
  Try also
   
  www.showmethecurry.com site for some very nice demonstrations on more
  Indian cooking.. 
   
  John Monteiro

Jolinda Hackett - About.com Vegetarian Food Guide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Vegetarian FoodIn the Spotlight | More Topics |   
 from Jolinda Hackett
I think one of the best meals I ever had in my life was at an internationally 
renowned dim sum restaurant in Taipei, Taiwan. The place wasn't particularly 
fancy, but had been selected by the NY Times as one of the best restaurants in 
the world - and the line out the door and down the blocked proved it was no 
secret! In celebration of new lunar year (Chinese New Years), here are a few of 
my favorite Taiwanese vegetarian recipes.

 
In the SpotlightVegan Scallion Pancakes
During my recent visit to Taiwan, I was lucky enough to taste these amazing 
scallion pancakes which are served up hot and fresh in stacks from street 
vendors. These green onion pancakes are more than just a breakfast food, so 
enjoy them anytime. Serve plain or dipped in a good quality soy sauce. Though 
they have little in common, you might also want to try this recipe for red bean 
pancakes if you like Asian-style pancakes.

More Topics
   Chocolate-dipped Fortune Cookies
I predict you will enjoy this dessert!  
   How to Stir Fry
Illustrated step-by-step guide  
   Hot Mustard Dip
If you like a bit of a kick - try it!  
   Hot Mustard Dip
If you like a bit of a kick - try it!  
   Vegetarian Super Bowl Snacks
  
   Low Carb Super Bowl Snacks
  
   More Football Foods: Vegetarian Tapas

Vegetarian Chinese Dumplings
One of the best meals I've ever had was at a small restaurant in Taipei, 
Taiwan. It included steamed dumplings very similar to these and dipped in a 
very simple soy sauce and vinegar dip. Serve hot with a good green tea.

 More Vegetarian and Vegan Chinese Food Recipes
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[Goanet] Degeneration of Indian politics - Is Goa going to set the pace ?

[Vinay Natekar]

By Inder Malhotra 

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080125/edit.htm

 

WITH an audible sigh of relief, and in the presence of several Congress
leaders, the Nationalist Congress Party has announced that the crisis in
the Congress-led coalition in Goa, caused by the resignation from the
ministry of three NCP and an Independent ministers, has blown over.
Union Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel, the NCP's trouble-shooter in
the tiny state, has also declared emphatically that the Congress-led
ruling coalition, headed by Chief Minister Digambar Kamat, is safe.
However, the question is: for how long? 

After all, it was the second nearly fatal, politically speaking,
upheaval in the Goa coalition in just seven months. Moreover, the crisis
has been resolved at a rather heavy price. The rebels have got their
pound of flesh in the form of reallocation of prized portfolios to their
satisfaction and the formation of a coordination committee of the
coalition partners. 

The dreary details of the bargain are of little consequence. What
matters is the dismal fact that Goa, one of the smallest states and the
newest member of the Indian family (until December 1961 it was under the
occupation of Portugal), has become the microcosm of everything that has
gone wrong with the Indian polity - fragmentation, factionalism,
shifting loyalties, rampant corruption, uneasy coalitions and unending
political instability. Indeed, the way things are going, Goa might soon
start setting the pace for the rest of the country, rather than the
other way round. 

There are four very disturbing implications of the Goa goings-on. The
first is that the main purpose of most - perhaps almost all -
politicians, irrespective of party affiliations, is to win an election
by hook or by crook, to somehow get a finger into the power pie and then
make as much hay as possible while the sun shines. This leads one to the
second point - that, in an increasing number of cases, the sun does not
shine for long. For, in an era when coalitions have become inescapable
but there is no coalition culture, things are bound to fall apart sooner
rather than later. 

Even in relatively balanced coalitions in various parts of the country,
pathetically small groups and splinters having only a marginal
membership in the legislature have gleefully held various governments to
ransom. Goa is a delight for such elements because in the 40-member
assembly, the Congress has only 16 seats and the rival BJP 14. With the
help of the three members of the NCP and an Independent - Mr Vishwajit
Rane, a son of Assembly Speaker and former Congress Chief Minister
Pratapsingh Rane - the Congress-led ministry has acquired a wafer-thin
majority. Two other small parties, the Maharashtra Gomantak Party and
the Save Goa Front, which have two members each, add a little more
ballast to this. But this time around these parties had little role
because the resignations of three NCP ministers and Mr Vishwajit Rane
were enough to bring down the ministry. 

The third steadily escalating factor perverting Indian politics is a
combination of rampant corruption and virtually insatiable greed. Not to
put any gloss on an extremely ugly state of affairs we have got to face
it that relentless politicisation of the police and investigating
agencies, shameful permissiveness of the top leadership of practically
every party, the so-called compulsions of coalition politics and
appalling judicial delays give the wrong-doers a free run. There was no
dearth of the gift of the grab during the days of single-party
governments. But opportunistic and messy coalitions have become
unabashed perpetrators of unbridled loot. Their uncertainty about the
durability of the opportunity only whets their appetite. 

It is no mere coincidence that the talk about the Kamat ministry's
imminent collapse started immediately after all the 15 Special
Economic Zones (SEZs) notified in Goa were scrapped at the state
government's behest. A majority of the people of Goa may be opposed to
these special zones on various grounds, including land grab and a threat
to the environment. But powerful vested interests, insistent on SEZs,
are at work and the number of politicos having a high stake in them is
not negligible. The state of affairs is no different from that in
Karnataka where the late unlamented coalition between the Deve Gowda
family and the BJP won a place in history by making astounding
allegations of corruption against each other. 

The fourth aspect of the Goa crisis is most deplorable, indeed
disgraceful. Once again, a former Congress Chief Minister of Nagaland,
Mr S. C. Jamir, now holding the exalted office of Governor of Goa, has
acted in a partisan manner that is a flagrant violation of
constitutional norms and proprieties, to say nothing of political
decencies. At a time when the Kamat ministry was clearly in a minority
and the state assembly's session to discuss and pass the appropriation
Bill was on, the Governor accepted the 

[Goanet] Glenmark gets USFDA approval for Baddi plant

[Goanet News]

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c_online.php?bKeyFlag=INautono=33015

Glenmark gets USFDA approval for Baddi plant
BS Reporter / Mumbai January 28, 2008

Glenmark Pharmaceuticals announced that the company has received
approval from the Food and Drug Administration ( FDA) in the United
States for its semi-solids (ointments  creams) manufacturing plant at
Baddi, Himachal Pradesh.

This is the third Glenmark manufacturing plant to have been approved
by the American regulator.

The Baddi plant recently received GMP approval from the Medicines and
Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in the UK, and from the
Therapeutic Products Directorate ( TPD), Canada.

The US FDA approval will now enable Glenmark to enter the niche
segment of semi-solid dosages in most of the regulated markets of the
world.

Glenn Saldanha, CEO  MD, Glenmark, said: The current GMP
accreditation by US FDA for Baddi site is a significant milestone for
Glenmark, since other plants of the company at Ankleshwar and Goa are
already approved by these agencies, reflecting international standards
of quality system at Glenmark.

Glenmark's facility at Baddi is fully commissioned with more than Rs
230 crore worth of production coming from this facility.

Baddi presently supplies Glenmark's Indian requirements and has
produced batches for filing in the US and Europe.

The company expects the Baddi facility to break-even in its first two
years of operation.

Glenmark has its formulations manufacturing facilities in Goa, Nasik,
and Baddi in India, in Sao Paulo, Brazil and in Vysoke Myto, Czech
Republic.

[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] 8. Keep Praying for Fr. Jude's recovery

[Jude Botelho]

Dear Friends, Please keep praying for Fr. Jude's complete recovery. Thanks. 
Brenda
 

Hello Friends,


 


Thanks once again!!! Fr. Jude's angioplasty was
over last night. Though the cardiologist had informed him that the
operation would be done on Monday, the hospital staff was not informed and so
there was every possibility of it being postponed to Tuesday, as the OT was
heavily booked. However he was finally wheeled in the Operation theatre at
about 3:15 pm and within half an hour I was called immediately to the OT as the
doctors were hesitating to work on him. Initially the doctors were discussing
about it in the OT and they brought Jude into their discussion. They then
told me that there was a blockage between two arteries and below the knee,
which made it risky to work on. They said they would try putting in a balloon
or a stent, but since the blockage was 80% there was a risk involved and they
might have had to go in for a bypass that meant another surgeon would have to
be called. They asked for my opinion. I just told them to do what they felt was
best and leave all in the hands of God. Jude, I believe, was of the same
opinion. An hour and 45 minutes later the doctors came out to tell me that they
managed to put a balloon and I Just thanked God for his goodness, which has no
end! There were moments when I felt terribly alone but then I felt you
all were there with me in prayer and that is what brought about this good
result. Thank you!


 


He was brought back into the ward around 9:45 pm.
He was OK but now that he has a needle in the right hand he can do nothing
without our help...that was the only limb that was operating well, anyway that
is something minor. The worst is now over. I hope his sugar too comes down
fast.


 


Bye for now, going to the hospital.


 


Lots of love,


 


Colly Mascarenhas


(Sister of Fr. Jude)






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[Goanet] Konkani Group Creates Singing Guinness Record

[Goanet News]

Konkani Group Creates Singing Guinness Record

By SAR NEWS

MANGALORE, Karnataka (SAR NEWS) -- A Konkani cultural organisation has
created a Guinness world record for singing Konkani songs non-stop for
forty hours.

The feat was achieved January 26-27 here by the local Mandd Sobhann
group that works for the promotion of Konkani language and culture in
Mangalore.

The programme entitled Konkani Nirantari was led by Eric Ozario and
others. Forty-four groups comprising more than 1,700 singers sang a
total of 600 songs breaking the previous record by Communidade
Evanjelica Luterana of Sao Paolo, Brazil, which sang for 36 hours in
2004.

Singers from the various parishes of Mangalore diocese, Goa, Mumbai,
Mysore, Bangalore and from the Gulf participated in the event which
kicked off at 6 a.m. on Saturday January 26, and ended at 10 p.m.
January 27 -- a total of 40 hours.

Keith Pullin from the Guinness Book of World Records London was the
adjudicator. At the end of the marathon, he certified that Maand
Sobhann had created a new record. There are 953 Guinness records
involving India already.

Konkani is the mother tongue of about 6.5 million people concentrated
in Mangalore and Dakshina Kannada, Karnataka, Maharashtra and Goa, and
scattered in Europe, America and the Gulf states. It is the mother
tongue, among others, of Mangalorean and Goan Catholics and is the
state language of Goa.

Bishop Aloysius P. D'Souza of Mangalore blessed the proceedings at the
start of the marathon, which was started by a group of Sisters of the
Queen of Apostles, Vamanjoor.

The Bethany Sisters, St. Joseph's Seminary, the Dominican congregation
and Sandesha also formed part of the great effort.

[Goanet] Letter against Animal Activists in O Heraldo

[Clinton Vaz]

Dear Cecil,

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with your view.

I believe that we need to realise that all animals, including stray are also 
living beings, and we should treat hem with respect. The stray dog problem is 
not the fault of the dog and it's not the fault of Ingrid Newkirk not saying 
anything about it.

It is the fault of the poor sanitation facilities, garbage on the streets, its 
is the fault of the irresponsible and careless owners that abandons his dog 
when its trouble to look after, it is the owner that refuses to neuter his dog, 
and society at large that have not helped in any way to arrest of growing 
strays.

Strays don't just attack people for no reason. At times it is the humans that 
antagonize the animal out of fun. We can prevent strays from forming attacking 
packs by reducing their hunger levels. GAWT, and NGO in Margao has succeeded in 
doing this in areas along the coastal belt during the off season, when 
restaurants are closed and animals have no food. Offer extra food or uncooked 
rice or money to these NGOs instead of just complaining.

NGO's are doing the best they can. 1500 sterilizations by a single South Goa 
NGO is quite a lot... perhaps not enough, but as much as they can do with the 
resources they have. What's going to solve the stray problem is mass awareness 
to citizens, better funding to the NGOS (From the Govt. as well as citizens), 
better sanitation, stray adoption camps, regularly providing food to strays to 
prevent them from forming attacking packs and systematic neutering and 
healthcare to both stray as well as home owned dogs.

While I have nothing to say about the leopard incident, the problem about stray cattle causing accidents is also the fault of human owners being negligent. 


It is also silly to state that there are more organisations in Goa protecting 
animals than human beings. If that were the case, then we would not have:
these problems of stray dogs  stray cattle
animals would not be slaughtered barbarically in the open as it happens in Taliegao 
 Kharebandh every morning
the disappearance of frogs for the jumping chicken delecacy would not be a 
matter of concern
the number of harmless snakes killed everyday due to lack of awareness
the number of monitor lizards killed for their skin to make ghumots
the increasing number of undergroud restaurants and spice farms that serve 
illegal game meat.

Goan's need our MPs to work more towards providing us the basics of sanitaion, 
and sustanable infrastrucuture, but when a leader goes so strongly to say that 
he's for bullfights... it takes another leader to put him in place. Simply 
saying that Ingrid Nwekirk is targetting a small target is a petty excuse. In 
many recent cases, Goa has shown the way for the rest of India, and legalizing 
a cruel sport will justify having more cruelty under the disguise of sport in 
other parts of India. The foolish promises of Sardinha have already resulted in 
a spurt of bullfights with  the police unable to stop them.

While everybody is pointing fingers at who's responsible for what and who 
shoould citisize who...we must also realise that we should not take this planet 
for granted and assume that humans are the superior beings of everything and 
every one.. Its possible to solve all problems without a bullet to the brain.

Clinton..
Not a member of Peta though! :)
+46762976399
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:55:17 +0530
From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Letter against Animal Activists in O Heraldo
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http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7571cid=13

-

Jose Maria Miranda, Margao

Dr Rozario Menezes, a relentless fighter against stray animals,
especially dogs, who have caused untold trauma and suffering to many
with their bites, is very right when he questions PETA chief Ingrid
Newkirk (Herald, 12 January) about her outbursts against our MP
Francisco Sardinha, who proposes to have bullfights legalized in Goa.

I do not support Sardinha's proposal, and feel that Goa has many
social and economic concerns which our MP needs to tackle that are far
more important than bullfights. Though thousands in Goa enjoy
bullfights, it is cruel to animals and should not be encouraged.

People in Goa as well as tourists would be happier if our MP had taken
up the issue of elimination of stray dogs, who cause mental and
physical torture to thousands in Goa.

However, like Dr Menezes, I too question the right of Ms Newkirk to
criticise Mr Sardinha on this issue, when she and other 'animal
lovers' do not even dare to say a word against the bullfights in Spain
and some Latin American countries. At the same time, she seems
completely unconcerned about the stray cows and bulls that cause so
many motorcycle accidents each year and take a toll of lives.

Ms Newkirk may not be faulted for not raising her voice 

[Goanet] About dirty Panjim etc, pl write or forward to Commissioner, CCPgoa

[JoeGoaUk]

About dirty Panjim, pl write or forward to Commissioner, CCPgoa
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2228308875size=l

Please write or forward to the commissior, se emailID and other CCP mission etc
in the above pic.  The same taken from a newly constructed public Pay Toilet on
DB Road, Parade grounds, Campal.


or
Shri Sanjiv Gadkar (Commisioner)
Mobile no:9822388099
Office no:2223339-2224550
Fax:2426998
www.ccpgoa.com


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Re: [Goanet] Goan compliments and other expressions

[Carvalho]

I love Goan expressions and their various
transliterations into English. At no point should they
be taken at face value or as their English
translations.

For instance, sarke barke zala, in most parts of the
world is a compliment on being slim and lovely,
possibly having sweated your way to skinny perfection
at a high-end gym. Unfortunately, in Goa this means
you are way too thin to ever find a husband and
destined to die a life of destitution.

It's inverse, sarko motte zala, does not necessarily
mean you've put you so much weight that you look like
a walking coronary attack waiting to happen. This
remark was usually directed at Gulf-Goans, who having
consumed far too many Amstels in the Gulf, returned as
more-rounded individuals. As such, it hides a tinge of
envy, since jelly-guts are associated with happiness,
prosperity and general well-being in Goa. 

Sarko voddho zala, does not mean you've become
taller. No, this snide comment just means you've grown
far too arrogant for someone who once lived in a house
of shenn and a diet of sorak.

Sarko tight ahlollo, does not mean someone was
wound-up or has the propensity to be elastic. It means
that Flaviano's Gaddi and Restaurant, opened early and
closed late.

Pocket malen, does not mean you were body-searched
at the airport, rather that some butter-fingered
urchin managed to pick-pocket your wallet. More often
then not, it means someone stopped on his way back at
Flaviano's Gaddi, where in addition to the feni pegs,
the makta was also flying high. Pocket malen, is a
nice one for the wife.

My favourite is tokleche bosola, which is often
transliterated by the English speaking Goans as
sitting on the head. By no means is this to be taken
as someone sitting on a person's head after having
murdered them or put them in some other compromising
position. In Konkani it means someone is trying to
boss over you, generally a daughter-in-law or
mother-in-law.

selma 














  

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[Goanet] Is Konkani Goa's pride ...or just vanity?

[Jerry Fernandes]

 Mogal Miguel

Sarkem muntlaim tunvem. Herald fokot don pages rongit advertisements dia dor 
aitara fokot tiatranche, punn osleo khobro borounk tanka goddiek faido nam 
dekun borounk nam zait. Konn zanno? Navhind Timesachem ani kitem boroupachem? 
Tem tor raj choloitoleanchem tond ani raj choloitole parlimentan dekun english 
tastat, don tin pautti pollelam anvem. Ani konkani muntlear tankam fokot 
devanagri, Dusreo leki tankam cholonant. 

Mog assundi

Jerry Fernandes    

 From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Is Konkani Goa's pride ...or just vanity?

Dears,

One wonders what has happened to the print media in Goa. Except for
the GT, no newspaper in Goa thought it fit to carry in its 28 January
edition the entry of KONKANI, through the Konkani Nirantari, in to the
records of Guinness book on 27 January, 2008. Even the Konkani
language Sunaparant carried the report on 29 January [thankfully on
page one]. The Navhind Times found space only on page 15!

The GT has done us proud by carrying the report on page one on 28
January itself and following it the next day with another page one
report, both with photos! Two troupes from Goa were given prime time
at the Konkani Nirantari, without discrimination. In fact, almost as
affirmative action on the unity of the Konkan.

Miguel

[Goanet] Coconut oil... and temperatures

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोंया]

You might have heard that Goa has been facing some unusually cold
weather this season -- 15 degrees C minimum temperature -- while
Mumbai plunged down to 10 degrees C. (Global warming and weather
extremeties here we come? Heat waves in summer in South-Eastern
Europe, and cold waves in sunny Goa?)

While makes me wonder... coconut oil is one of the few oils that
solidifies so soon, even at temperatures of 23 or 24. Excuse my
ignorance on this point, but what's the reason for the behaviour of
coconut oil, as against that of other oils? Tks, FN
-- 
Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph +91-832-2409490

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (30Jan08)

[alexyz fernandes]

CSE's Sunita Narain talking to CM Digambar Kamat

Diggu Kaka...It's like having the IRAQ WAR in Goa...If the MINES are not 
controlled...they'll blowup Goa...Like SEZ!



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[Goanet] Goa news for January 30, 2008

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** India I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa  Viva Kerala -
Goal.com
[18 hours ago]  I-League Preview: Sporting Club de Goa  Viva
Kerala Dempos consecutive defeats have certainly added spice to
the I-League and the battle for places at the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=565021cid=1127074578ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** #152;Lease clearance mechanism weak in Goa - Hindu
[5 hours ago]  Panaji: In Goa, private miners are making
windfall profits, but the government and the people are seeing
none of it, Centre for Science and Environment ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/01/30/stories/2008013055071500.htmcid=1127073001ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Goa shivers in cold - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  The Goa meteorological department sources
informed that the severe cold wave being experienced by north
India hastravelled down to Goa and the state is in ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=01298cid=1127059682ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** IM Vijayan says he isnt aware of veterans meet - Pune
Newsline
[4 hours ago]  Meanwhile, Bruno Coutinho said that though he
was aware of the tournament and the Goa XI team had started
practicing for it, he would not be a part of the ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/IM-Vijayan-says-he-isnt-aware-of-veterans-meet/266863/cid=1126988441ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Goa\'s complete online news edition - Monday, January 28,
2008 - Herald Publications
[Jan 27, 2008]  Cheerleaders perform during a competition for a
place in the 2008 Beijing Olympics, at a theatre in Beijing.
Cheerleading squads from across the country are ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7791cid=1cid=0ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Goa Carbon employees demand bonus - The Statesman
[Jan 25, 2008]  25: At least 400 employees of Goa Carbon staged
a peaceful dharana in front of the administrative office of the
company today. The employees were demanding ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=9theme=usrsess=1id=187512cid=0ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** MOGO Media Announces New Conferences for 2008 - PR Newswire
(press release)
[8 hours ago]  All conference registrants will receive a free
pass to the GOA show floor. For those who cannot attend the
conferences or attendees who want to take home ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104STORY=/www/story/01-29-2008/0004745061EDATE=cid=1127098122ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Jamir calls for effective polity in Goa - Hindu
[Jan 26, 2008]  Panaji, (PTI): Goa Governor SC Jamir on
Saturday advocated stable and effective polity for the greater
glory of the tiny coastal state. ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/002200801261410.htmcid=0ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Mumbai FC training in Goa - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Margao, Jan 28 Mumbai FC, Mumbais newly-formed
football club is in Goa on a two-week preparatory camp to gear
up for the Second Division National Football ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=012922cid=0ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA

*** Goa retain JSKA national title - Navhind Times
[19 hours ago]  Panaji, Jan 28 Team Goa emerged champions in
IInd Japan Shotokan Karate Association (JSKA) National
Championship organised by All-Goa Karate-Do Association ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=012924cid=0ei=CsWfR4T2J4-aqwOHramGDA


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] FINEPRINT: Mining cutting sharply into tiny Goa, says new environmental report

[Goanet News]

Mining cutting sharply into tiny Goa, says new environmental report

FN

PANJIM, Goa: Tiny Goa, one-thousandth the size of India,
contributes 15 percent of iron ore produced from the entire
country, and is paying the price for this, India's prime
environmental watchdog group has warned.

Goa mining an ecological disaster. The state needs stronger
regulations to manage mining in the backyard of people's
homes, farms and forests, said the New Delhi-based Centre
for says latest CSE 'State of India's Environment' study.

This citizens' report focuses on mining, focuses
significantly on issues arising out of Goa, and was released
here at a special function by Governor S.C.Jamir this week.

In Goa, it's the China factor (that's pushing up the demand
for iron ore phenomenally and prices too), said Ms Narain,
speaking at the release of the book. Goa mirrors what's
happening in the rest of India (but a bit more sharply), she added.

Economic growth is very important, but at what cost, she
added. Coming down hard and fast with figures, Narain noted
that mining was creating a shrinking number of jobs, due to
mechanisation.

Because of the density of population in India, it was but
natural that more people were being affected here, she added.
Yet, across India, data was lacking on the number of people
affected by mining.

In Goa, mining was happening in the backyards of people,
Narain said, referring to the activity that is concentrated
in the interior part of the state, and largely hidden from
the touristic coastal belt.

Ms Narain argued that the plethora of laws meant to
regulate mining, was only making the regulation
ineffective. She suggested that a few but effective laws and
agencies dealing with mining would be better.

She acknowledged that mining was needed, but of a kinder
nature. Narain called for a moratorium of mining in
biodiversity areas, and stressed that workable compliance
mechanisms were essential while regulators be given teeth.

  Mineral Foundation of Goa's Shreedhar, an industry
  body which offers socio-economic projects in mining
  affected areas, praised the book, but said it
  should have included some positive aspects of
  mining. He blamed illegal mining for the
  industry getting a bad name in Goa.

But his promise for building a four-lane bridge over a Goa
river, and de-silting a 12-km river, were later questioned by
local green campaigners. Salesian brother Philip argued the
bridge was meant for mining trucks, and challenged the
industry to clear major rivers like the Mandovi and Zuari
that turn muddy red in part of the year due to mining rejects
washed down their course.

Goa Mineral Foundation (GMF) has also offered eco
regeneration projects, including in watershed projects.

But villagers, present for the meet, made impassioned pleas
about their damaged ecology.

Said Salvador Dias of Columb: Even politicians are involved
in doing mining (illegally). When we protest, the police
threaten us. We see tigers in our village areas, because the
natural habitat is getting demolished.

Suhas Prabhudessai narrated how mining rejects had damaged
his property, making him go to the lower court, the high
court and the supreme court. I don't know how long I can
keep doing this, he complained, and said property built up
over generations was being finished.

Almost in tears, a rustic woman, Milagrine said mining
operations were blocking their access to their fields, and
'goondas' and police were sent in to break up protests. They
come along and catch our kids too, she said, speaking after
the book release.

Goa-based environmentalist Dr Claude Alvares, whose campaigns
since the mid-seventies have created a generation of talented
green youngsters here, made an emotional speech. He said:
How do we restore even 1 hactare of forests, in one of the
12 ecology hotspots in the planet (the area around Goa)?
Forests don't grow out of compensatory afforestation.

He pointed to spiralling iron-ore prices, and said the
industry was polluting Goa's rivers, fields, wildlife and
watersheds. This is not a sustainable industry at all, said he.

Even if Goa has smaller scale mining (compared to big
states), its impact is more because it is 'backyard mining',
said Narain.

This just-released report disputes the contention that
mining is essential for growth or employment. CSE says its
data shows that some of the least developed and most polluted
regions of the country are mining hotspots.

Called 'Rich Lands Poor People', the report from the network
founded by the prominent Indian environmental late Anil
Agarwal recommends that mining must not be allowed without
the consent of the people and if the environmental and social
costs outweigh its economic gains.

  Some figures thrown up by the report: With less
  than 0.1 per cent of the geographical area of the
  country, Goa already has 8 per cent of its land
  area under mine leases and 

[Goanet] Remembering The Apostle of Peace, Non-Violence

[Goanet News Service]

Remembering The Apostle of Peace, Non-Violence
by Nandkumar Kamat


ALMOST three generations have witnessed a transforming India after the 
brutal assassination of Mahatma Gandhi on January 30, 1948 at 5.17 p.m. His 
60 th death anniversary is an important day for the whole world which faces 
two interesting situations-the threat of global warming and the rising wave 
of mindless terrorism. Gandhiji had correctly predicted such a state of 
affairs. Mahatma Gandhi became a martyr for the noble cause of peace. No 
mass leader of modern times has combined politics with spirituality so 
effectively to become a powerful moral force. A senior IAS officer, V. 
Ramamurthy, after retirement wrote a beautiful series of articles- Mahatma 
Gandhi- The last 200 days in Chennai's The Hindu from July 15, 1997 to 30 
January 1998.


These have been published as a collection in the compendium-from the pages 
of The Hindu. About the 200 th day, the last day in Mahatmaji's life- 
Ramamurthy has written- Barrister, servant of society, relentless toiler 
for the freedom of his people, non violent crusader for amity and peace, and 
pillar of the Indian national congress, Gandhiji had been working on a draft 
revised constitution for the party almost endlessly. The work had left the 
frail man of 107 pounds severely exhausted. On January 29, 1948 he had told 
his associates,  I am very tired. Yet I must finish this task. Gandhiji 
was actually writing a detail plan - a roadmap of recasting the Congress 
party and empowering the people from the grassroots. Gandhiji wanted to 
disband the existing congress organization and convert it into a Lok Sevak 
Sangh. But this did not happen after his death. In reality the Indian 
Parliamant took 45 years after his death to consider some concessions to the 
grass roots after passing the 73 rd and 74 th amendments to the 
constitution.


But even these are yet to be implemented in letter and spirit. Ramamurthy 
has captured the final moments of Mahatmaji- Friday, January the 30 th , 
began on the calendar from the midnight hour. Gandhiji's working schedule 
had him out of bed a just over three hours later. He completed his morning 
preparations, composed his troubled mind, and said his morning prayer. 
Ramamurthy tells us about his engagements till evening. He had a meeting 
with Sardar Patel in the evening which had delayed him for the evening 
prayer meeting. Gandhiji was worried about the differences between Nehru and 
Patel. I reproduce here the last moments of Mahatmaji so vividly captured by 
Ramamurthy- Gandhiji told the Sardar- Now I must tear myself away !. 
Leaning on the shoulders of Abha and Manu, Bapu walked towards the dais from 
where he would listen the devotionals and then deliver his speech.. Abha 
remarked lightly to Gandhiji that the watch dangling from the waist was 
bound to feel neglected as he would not look at tit all. Bantering in his 
turn, the Mahatma said,  Why should I, since you two are my time-keepers?


As he ascended the rise to approach the dais, he told the two girls,  it is 
your fault that I am ten minutes late. It is the duty of nurses to carry on 
their work even if God himself should be present there. If it is time to 
give medicine to a patient, and a nurse feels hesitant to do so, the poor 
patient will die. So it is with the medicine of prayer. It irks me if I am 
late for prayers by even a minute.. The last conversational remarks had 
been made. The very last steps Bapu would take were now being taken. Past 
the steps he was now coming towards the dais. Gandhiji took his arms from 
the shoulders of Abha and Manu to fold his hands and acknowledge the benign 
smile, eyes shining from behind his wire framed glasses, the namaskars many 
offered to him.


Now with a namaskar that was like a Judas kiss, there came a thickset man 
clad in a bush-shirt, with nads folded. He approached Gandhiji frontally. As 
the man bowed, Manu tried to dissuade him from touching Bapu's feet as she 
thought he was trying to do. The strong man pushed her away brusquely, 
impatiently: he wanted a clear line of fire for the Beretta pistol he had 
drawn from a trouser pocket. Now there ring out three shots in quick 
succession. Even from a child they cannot miss their mark from that almost 
point-blank range. Two bullets enter one after another the right side of the 
chest of the frail man on his last walk. The third goes into the right side 
of the Mahatma's abdomen. Bapu's uplifted foot falters as the first bullet 
strikes.


As the second and the third hit, he sinks gently to the floor, breathing out 
his last two words, holy in thankfulness or supplication, He Ram!. His 
voice will speak no more. The crimsoning sunset on the sky witnesses the 
green smooth lawn around the crumpled victim, his clothes staining red from 
precious life-blood. Within minutes Bapu will be dead. The time is 5.17 p.m. 
An epoch has ended. That was the last day of a great life. Mahatma Gandhi's 

[Goanet] My One Point Agenda

[marshallmendonza]

Phillip Thomas wrote:

Now I sense that you think of agenda in terms of a to do list for the future. 
You have already decided on some long term plan to fix Goa and the first item 
is overthrow the present government. To me this seems like Ready, fire, 
aim. All I was suggesting, theoretically, was that we understand the Goa 
problem correctly and then devise a solution. This is the right solution  for 
the right problem (in contrast to right solution for the wrong problem or 
wrong solution for the right problem). Hope this helps.

Comment:

There is a need to look beyond the Congress and the BJP and even other regional 
parties like MGP, UGDP,NCP, SGF etc. One party which comes to mind is the Goa 
Su Raj Party.This party is Goacentric, is led by persons who are idealistic and 
are committed to the future of Goa. All they need is our support and active 
participation in their programmes.I am confident that if all the anguish, 
frustration and anger that is felt about the current state of affairs is 
translated into support and votes for Goa Su Raj party, we may be able to see a 
significant change in our lifetime. But are we ready to bite the bullet?

Mog asundi

Marshall Mendonza

Re: [Goanet] Coconut oil... and temperatures

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

If I am not mistaken, Goa had attained a low of 13 deg
C in Dec 1981.

As also, recently confirmed with a cousin of mine (met
her after 40 years) that Loutolim had a hailstorm
sometime in 1960.

Re coconut oil - as oils go, there are different
fractions that make up oil (e.g. diesel and petrol for
want of a comparison, though these are mineral oils as
opposed to vegetable oils), and these fractions gel up
at different temperatures (diesel is almost solid at
low temperatures whereas petrol still remains fluid). 
A chemical engineer will be able to give a better
explanation...

Gabriel.

--- Frederick [FN] Noron  ha * फ्रेड 
रिक न  ोरोंया
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You might have heard that Goa has been facing some
 unusually cold
 weather this season -- 15 degrees C minimum
 temperature -- while
 Mumbai plunged down to 10 degrees C. (Global warming
 and weather
 extremeties here we come? Heat waves in summer in
 South-Eastern
 Europe, and cold waves in sunny Goa?)
 
 While makes me wonder... coconut oil is one of the
 few oils that
 solidifies so soon, even at temperatures of 23 or
 24. Excuse my
 ignorance on this point, but what's the reason for
 the behaviour of
 coconut oil, as against that of other oils? Tks, FN
 -- 
 Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org Ph
 +91-832-2409490
 



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Re: [Goanet] God and Metaphysical Principle (2)

[Fr. Ivo da C. Souza]

Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
This is the remaining part of the answer (2).

Nobody believes in the

metaphysical principles of Egyptian and Greek
religions any more.

*Which 'principle'? Metaphysical, self-evident of causality?
#For Plato the material

universe came from creative action of God.

#For Aristotle it was the metaphysical principle of Prime Mover. He speaks
of  Nature striving for perfection.
#There was also the Babylonian myth of gods creating the world  (Babylonian
epic of Gilgamesh and Enuma Elish).
Nature was considered to be filled with divine energy for its evolution.
It was on ontological grounds, having origins in God.
#This teaching of LOGOS was continued by early Alexandrian writers.
--Gregory of Nyssa (331-396) taught that the Creation was potential - that
God imparted to matter its fundamental laws and properties,
but that the Universe then developed gradually, under their own steam, out
of primordial chaos. God is the Lord of physical laws.
--St.Augustine (353-430) likens Creation to the growth of a tree from its
seed, in a slow process. The Creator provided the seeds ('rationes
seminales') of the Universe and of life, and let them develop in their own
time and amidst randomness. God started off the Universe. Here we have
seminally the theory of
evolution, with the hand of God at the beginning (theological concept).
--This is a theory of evolution which stands up well alongside modern
theories of the evolution of the Universe and the evolution of life on
Earth. His views were influential throughout the Middle Ages, followed by
Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) and
William d'Ockham (1287-1347): God set in motion the contingent Universe.
Creation does not contradict Evolution.
Our classes of Christian teaching do not contradict the Scientific
'discoveries' of New Physics... Creationism is biblical fundamentalism.
#Vedic tradition of Upanishad speaks of personal God, Brahma, the Creator of
the Universe. AUM, the Ineffable, is Brahma,
who 'unfolds' himself into the Universe.
Vivekananada (1862-1902) follows Neo-Vedanta: The philosophy of Vedanta in
general, and Advaita Vedanta in particular, maintains
that there is only one Reality - Absolute Consciousness (also called as
Brahman, Atman, God, or Self). Out of ignorance we perceive
this One Reality as multifarious. This cosmic ignorance is called Maya or
Avidya. With spiritual practice one is able to transcend the
limitations of body and mind so as to become one with the Reality; to know
or experience the Truth. This is the aim of human birth.
Scores of great souls have realized Self in this manner; and of course, it
is also our birth right. To realize this goal certain spiritual practices
are undertaken known as Yoga, viz. Raja-Yoga, Jnana-Yoga, Bhakti-Yoga, and
Karma-Yoga. Swami Vivekananda has contributed
immensely in redefining religion as 'science of spirituality'. Physicians
have dedicated their lives to spirituality.
*#Egyptian notion of creation: The creator of all things was either Re,
Amun,
Ptah, Khnum or Aten, depending on which version of the myth was currently in
use.
# Chinese myth of creation: Paan'ku from a chaotic egg.
--All these myths always involve the creation of human beings at some stage
by gods or other supernatural entities. Myths are attempt to express through
symbol
ultimate reality, which ultimate reality transends both the capacity of
discursive reasoning
and expression in ordinary human language. Myth points to a reality beyond
itself which
cannot be directly symbolized. Myth can be broadly defined as a narrative
(story)
concerning fundamental symbols which are constitutive of or paradigmatic for
human existence.
It establishes the place of human beings in the hierarchy of life in the
Universe--below gods and
other supernatural beings, but above animals and plants.  This aspect shows
us the 'aetiological'
(or explanatory) function of  Creation Myths.
   The principle of causality is still valid. Myths are 'pre-scientific'
and 'pre-philosophic'.
They have been refined by Philosophy and Science. Yet some of them have
anticipated
Scientific Evolution Theories in 'pre-scientific', mythical, symbolic
language.

You wrote:  One giant metaphysical turtle at the base of it all is

as good as an infinite regress of turtles. Uncaused
cause and first cause are just empty words devoid of
explanatory power.

*Yes, one 'giant metaphysical (?) turtle' at the base of it all is as
good as an 'infinite regress of turtles'. Yes, but not the Infinite God.
Read more arguments in my exposition.
Fr.Ivo

[Goanet] Konkani Group Creates Singing Guinness Record

[marshallmendonza]

My heartiest congratulations to all the organisers, participants and well 
wishers of Mandd Sobhann and Konkani Nirantari . You have done us proud. More 
so in the absence of state patronage in the land of its birth. May your efforts 
signal a rennaissance among the konkani speaking people spread all over the 
world. Keep the konkani flag fyling high!!!

Mog asundi,

Marshall Mendonza

[Goanet] *HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROLAND!!*

[Francis Rodrigues]

Yet another prolific Goanetter celebrating a milestone!!

30 January 2008 - to Roland Francis -
from all your Goanet buddies:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROLAND!!

Have a great year!!

We'll toast you again at the Convention

FR.
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Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANS synonymous with LOVE

[Fr. Ivo da C. Souza]

Dear Aloysius,
Thank you for the message. Sorry for the delay in reacting to it.
Christianity is a religion of Love. But if we fail to live up to the 
Christian ideal, it is our fault. We confirm our weakness and our need of 
forgiveness.
Discriminatory casteism is a crime against human rights and Christian love. 
When we find it among us, we have to confess that we have fallen short of 
the glory of God (cf.Rm 3:23). We are human. We have our limitations and 
shortcomings. These are not 'shortcomings of Religion'. Fundamentalism is 
also an error.


You wrote: 1. Priests and Nuns have become very commercial and 
materialistic...
*Easily we can find fault even with someone who is self-sacrificing for 
others... labelling them as 'commercial and materialistic'...


 2. It is still a fact that we Goans (lay folks as well as Priests and 
Nuns)
still consider the original Hindu Caste, to which our fore-fathers 
belonged

four hundred years ago, very important particularly at the time of
marriages...
*At this point, we have to be careful to distinguish 'caste' from 'social 
status'. Remember that marriage is a partnership of love and life. There can 
be problems of incompatibility at a later stage, and then problems crop up. 
Today there are many 'inter-caste' marriages. Good, if they continue to love 
and live together... without being victims of mere ' infatuation'... The 
Church does not object to such marriages... The Church proclaims that we are 
all brothers and sisters in the Lord. There is freedom in choice of 
partners for marriage. It is a delicate 'love affair'...



 3. In addition, I have personally seen the huge discriminations practised
by Nuns and Priests in their own religious orders against others in their
communities who belonged to what was seen as backward groups (tribals,
from uneducated / non-social families -- or Goans against Mangaloreans,
Anglo-Indians, Keralites)...
*You have to admire also how they live together in a Christian way... There 
can be also a healthy human competition to do the best by emulation...



4. Do we CATHOLICS really consider other Christian sects -- Baptists,
Presbyterians, Methodists, Anglicans -- CSI or CNI, Jehova's Witnesses,
Mar-Thomites, Syrian Christians, etc -- as fellow CHRISTIANS?
*They are. We accept them. But there are differences, difficult to cope up 
with...


 We of the Catholic Church (Roman rite) really need to evaluate our 
FAITH
*Not only we, but all the human communities have to try re-live our human 
solidarity... We have to evaluate, not our FAITH, but how we live our 
Faith...


Fr.Ivo 

Re: [Goanet] Surnames and caste

[Carvalho]

--- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I feel no urge at all to be
 defensive 
 when talking about or inquiring after a person's
 caste.  All 
 this cringing anytime caste is mentioned is more
 about 
 political correctness gone haywire.
 
 Regards,
 
 
 r
-

Thanks for clarifying Rajan. Obviously I'm not well
acquainted with how the caste association in Hindu
surnames works. When Catholic Goans link surnames with
caste, it is only with the intent to belittle someone
else or assert their own superiority. There are
ofcourse some surnames that link to communities,
places and historical perspectives, as Valmiki did
recently with part of my ancestry, providing me with a
snapshot even I was unaware of, but by and large
linking the surname to anything other than the
tail-end of a person's name seems superfluous.

selma


  

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[Goanet] BJP BOWLS A GOOGLY - 33% RESERVATION FOR WOMEN

[Sachin Phadte]

This message from Godfrey Gonsalves seems to be making a serious effort  to 
place the BJP to put a negative spin on a BJP programme.  Godfrey is  perfectly 
within his rights to do so, but then it would be nice if he  sets out his 
political agenda.  In any case, some two years ago, Godfrey  had posted a 
message with the subject: (KING BABUSH   REIGN  ASSURED  in GOA?)  This was 
in context how Babush was successfully able to pull  down the BJP government in 
the state.

Sachin Phadte

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Re: [Goanet] Salvation of non-Christians

[Nigel Britto]

To Goanet,

A lay person cannot be expected to understand the distinction between faith
and Faith. The only difference between those two words to me is the use of
Caps in the latter word. :-)

And yes, you're right I'm obviously not at your 'wavelength'. I haven't
studied complex theology and intricate interpretations of the Bible. You
said something about you interpreting the Bible at the intellectual level.
If the Bible was intended that way, there would be no salvation outside
Harvard, Oxford and a few top Universities.

My questions are from a common person's point of view, not from a person who
has researched what Bible 'scholars' have said in the past. When I began
reading the Bible, I noticed huge differences in what the Church teaches and
what the Bible teaches, and I don't think anyone should blindly follow
doctrine just because they're born in a particular faith, or is it Faith? I
really don't know.

Not that I repudiate my Catholicism. Far from it, but I'm sure any
practical-minded person would agree that the Church is not beyond-error. The
inquisition, the medieval crimes, indulgences, Pope Alexander VI and several
others, as well as several theological bloopers (which of course can all be
justified) are just a few instances.

I will refrain from asking any more questions here, since I might confuse
and misunderstand the answers I get.

-- 
Truth Liberates,
Nigel Britto

http://amicusnaturae.blogspot.com

[Goanet] Let's start Action to Stop Auctioning!

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

All Goans don’t think alike nor do they share equal ideology  thinking nor
is my expectation. It’s this prevailing difference that our politicians are
constantly trying to widen. Their tricks are simple - create cracks – widen
them – divide them on all possible measures – and than RULE GOA. We have
never countered their behavior or philosophies. We have become their slaves
floating like dust particles in winds blown by themwe are still floating
….don’t even know in which currents we are systematically diverted too…..we
don’t even know which supporter will land on which land…..yet we are
floating……flying high….and high…..and high. 

If one extrapolates this logic to Goanet one can comfortably say that Goanet
also has good number of Hardcore Ideologists (implanted or otherwise,
difficult to judge) both in Hindu or Catholic spirits flowing HIGH in one's
blood.  I have no problem with anyone’s ideology in the net or with their
thinking. But what I am more concerned is that we Goanet members being
educated members are not trying to give convincing answers to these HIGH
blooded people. There are quite a good number of members who irrespective of
their caste, creed, religion and even their status in the society try to
give logically convincing answers. While others only try to thrash the good
postings and or try to give unwanted twist to the postings as if to indicate
….. We don’t want you….we want to be as we are ….don’t preach us….. or some
thing like this. Recently I have seen couple of messages exchanged showing
dislike to even the names and surnames of individuals in the Net and is
still continuing! I am one of the victims of such criticism by one renowned
personality last year and very recently by two persons (if one is interested
I can provide links from archives)!!  

I really don’t get any clue as to what’s happening with net, net members and
why? I honestly feel we should devote all our creative thinking to
finalizing or arriving at some point as to what’s good for Goa. How should
we come closer and unite to save our mother land Goa from the clutches of
our (I hate to say our) politicians? 

Like me, you too have witnessed MGP  UGP rules in Goa; lengthy Congress
rule in Goan and short rule of 4 ½ years by BJP. We have also witnessed 19
CMs in past 20 years - creating a record in Indian history. We also know how
these political parties have finished Goa. So the biggest question ahead of
us is to think which political party is better to rule our Goa. Is it MGP or
Congress or BJP or it’s none of the three or whether we will be better off
with Coalition form of Government or its better to have regional outfit
(even though Churchill single handedly / single headedly merged Save Goa as
if that party was formed with hidden agenda – Sell Goa – or that Save Goa
was Churchill’s English spelling mistake…one wonders these days) or should
we also include Religion in politics. 

I think we need to grill around these issues in the interest of Goa. This
vital issue needs to be debated loud and clear without personality clashes.
And in doing so let’s first chalk out for ourselves the pros and cons of
each political party including individual politician and try to share our
thoughts to arrive at some points closer to reality……… only to save our
mother land Goa. 

Best regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad 

Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

Sonia Gomes wrote:
I met a family called Pai in
Kerala, originally from Goa but moved to Kerala a long
time ago. They go to Goa everytime there is something
of importance in the family, a wedding, a journey
abroad, they however did not know a word of Konkani
but are fluent in Malayalam. 

There was a forced migration of Goans out of Goa following 
Portuguese persecution.  Some of them went to Kerala.  The 
Konkani they speak evolved over time to imbibe flavours
and words from Malayalam.  These ex-Goans still retain a
strong consciousness of their Goan roots.  When I went to
their temples last June, I was warmly welcomed as one of
their own.

See -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/Kerala/slides/IMG_4604.html

http://www.parrikar.org/images/Kerala/slides/IMG_4594.html

http://www.parrikar.org/images/Kerala/slides/IMG_5477.html

You may see the complete Kerala gallery at -

http://www.parrikar.org/images/Kerala/index.html


What are they goans or Malayalis ? 

They identify themselves primarily as Konkanis, although
they may take on secondary identities based on their location.  
Likewise, there are Konkanis in both S Canara and N Canara 
areas of Karnataka.

Does it matter ?

It may or may not, depending on the context.

Regards,


r





  

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[Goanet] Shocking letter in Herald

[anand virgincar]

 Dear Goanetters,
 
 Please glance through the first  letter to the editor  in monday's Herald :
 
 http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=7759cid=13
 
 Is the author our resident Goa hater ?
 
 This is getting seriously out of hand. This scoundrel is not satisfied with 
 maligning our most  valiant , forthright and amazingly far-sighted   CM
 on Goanethe is now taking pot shots at the  selfless and apolitical 
 Governor in the one newspaper which does not take cash for publishing
 party propaganda material for the Congress. 
 ( refer to www.penpricks.blogspot.com for proof of the latter )
 
 Come on all you good folk...we need to clip this menace's wings before
 he destroys Goa altogether.
 
 luv and regards,
 anand
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh

[Vidyadhar Gadgil]

 From: Kamalaksh Chari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Nowadays all ghatis are proving niz-goenkars as outsiders and calling 
 themselves as Goenkars. May be because they are marching towards being a 
 majority, with the blessings of Digu kaka.

Don't worry, most of us are quite comfortable with what we are,
and are hardly bothered about these labels you seem to enjoy
applying somewhat arbitrarily. These matters are an accident of
birth, and are a matter of supreme indifference to most. Seems
rather silly to have pride or shame over a status so arbitrarily
assigned, and to which one has not contributed in any way...apart
from being born, of course, for which one can hardly claim credit.

You are most welcome to the niz Goenkar status or whatever status
you wish to apply to yourself. And with all the branding,
labelling, etc. on this forum, I can only say, Garv se kaho hum
ghati hain! :-)

-- 
Question everything -- Karl Marx

[Goanet] Re : My one point agenda

[anand virgincar]

Dear Marshall-bab,
Thanks for taking the time to scrutinise and respond to my posting.
Let me take your comments on step by step ( I have edited a few 
of your comments without changing what you were saying...this
is simply to make the post shorter lest the moderators reject it
on the count that it is too long ) :
 
MM says : Perhaps Dr Anand is joking when he says that Modi did
not use the Hindutva card .
I say : Dr Anand was not joking . He made a stupid mistake which
he realised within seconds of hitting the send button ( and I am 
surprised that you are the only one which picked up this  clinker 
I dropped ). Modi definitely used the Hindutva card ( much more so
after Madam Sonia provided him with an opportunity to expand it
with her  Maut ke Saudagar  clinker ).What I was trying to say
is that Modi used it much less than he has done previously.to
the point that the RSS and VHP were not fully supportive in his 
election campaign .
 
 MM says : Prior to Godhra ,the BJP was consistently loosing every
 election.
 I say : That is incorrect . The BJP has been in power in Gujarat
 since March 14 1995 ( which was well before Godhra ) apart from
 perhaps October 23 1996 to March 4 1998 when a faction of the
 BJP formed the Rashtriya Janata Dal and took temporary charge.
 This is however a minor error on your part compared to my much
 bigger mistake above .
 Having said all that , Godhra ( and the BJP's involvement in it was
 shameful and unforgiveable ). If I was in charge , I would punish
 every politician even remotely involved in it ( and certainly not elect 
 any of them again , however good their performance was on the 
 developement / administrative front )
 I hope the Congress supporters on this forum are capable of making
 statements like this on the 1984 Sikh riots etc.
 
 MM says : In fact in the last Lok Sabha elections , the BJP won 
 14 seats against the Congress 12 .
 I say : These elections were post Godhra and when the Hindutva
 card was being used to it's maximum . It proves my point that 
 the BJP cannot rely on this agenda alone if they wish to progress
 politically ( and if an idiot like me can see this , the big bosses in
 Delhi and Goa will have taken note )
 
 MM says : I do not even remember communalism being an emotive
 issue and a divide in Goa prior to the advent of BJP .
 I say : That you do not remember is a personal matter . Differences
 between communities in Goa has existed since long before the BJP
 came to Goa .The fashionable term  communalism  has been applied
 to it much more since the BJP's advent. And I stand by my earlier
 statement on this forum , that the Congress is as much if not more
 responsible for causing stess between Goan peoples than the BJP.
 
 MM says : One finds postings of hatred/venom/RSS propaganda on 
 Goanet with blatant disregard for facts and truth ( which is as a
 consequence of the brief BJP reign in Goa )
 I say : Agree entirely except for 2 caveats 
 a) There are also postings on Goanet expressing hatred/venom/
 non-hindu organisation propaganda with blatant disregard for facts
 and truth . It is up to persons like you and me to drown their voices.
 ( I have already made a public deal with Selma-bai on this forum
 and will try my best to stick to my half of the deal )
 b) All that is BJP politics is not Hindu bigotry ( and vice versa )
 
 MM says : The BJP has made  progress not on any developement 
 card but by exploiting religious emotions.
 I say : Not true . BJP has made progress using both religious and
 developement cards . The former has been overemphasized , the
 latter played down ( by the opposing camp )
 
 MM says : Even today Modi is a role model for the BJP
 I say : Not for the vast majority of BJP supporters...absolutely
 not for me ( and I sincerely hope , not for Manohar Parrikar )
 
 MM says : BJP create an imaginary enemy as Hitler did with the
 Jews and then try to polarise communities.
 I say : Opposing political groups are doing a much better job
 of creating an imaginary  Hindutva  enemy and distancing
 moderate and even  mild  Hindus from their non-Hindu
 brethren.
 
 MM says : In places where Christians are in large numbers , they 
 are made out to be the enemy ( false propaganda on the inquisition,
 inflammatory VCD etc )
 I say : In the context of Goa , BJP will be extremely foolish if they
 try to make Christians their enemy . If they do anything to harm 
 the Christians in Goa , I will be the first to stop supporting them.
 With reference to the VCD and propaganda about the inquisition
 ( whether true or false is immaterial to me ), I feel that was an
 extremely stupid error of judgement which hurt the Catholic people
 of Goa ( and hopefully there are many more Hindu's like myself who
 found it hurtful ).I do not , however , feel that this ( and many 
 other errors the BJP goverment in Goa made ) were bad enough 
 to stop good people from all communities in Goa from voting them
 back to power ( espescially 

[Goanet] re *HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROLAND!!*

[JoeGoaUk]

Dear Roland,

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[Goanet] Death Of The Mahatma

[Goanet News Service]

Death Of The Mahatma
Ashis Nandy


On the 60th year of the murder of Mohandas Gandhi, we must recognise the 
ambivalence towards him in India's modernising middle classes. Gandhi was 
not killed by British imperialism or Muslim fanatics, but by middle-class 
Hindu nationalists committed to conventional concepts of statecraft, 
progress and diplomacy. He was not killed by a lunatic, as Nehru alleged, 
but by one who represented 'normality' and 'sanity'.


The middle-class antipathy to Gandhi cuts across ideologies. During one of 
her earlier tenures, Mayawati precipitated a first-class public controversy 
by attacking Gandhi. But she was only joining a long line of distinguished 
critics of Gandhi, stretching from Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the classical 
liberal turned Muslim nationalist, to Bal Thackeray of the Shiv Sena. New, 
aggressive critics of Gandhi are now being thrown up by the knights of 
globalisation in India.


The fear of Gandhi has been consistent in India and it has never been 
confined to the expensively educated Indians now flourishing in the global 
knowledge industry. This fear is the fear of ordinary Indian citizens 
suffering from that incurable disease called Indianness and suspicion of the 
open politics that empowers them and allows them to bring into public life 
their strange, alien categories. It was this fear that Nathuram Godse took 
to logical conclusion on January 30, 1948. His was the third attempt on 
Gandhi's life by the Hindu nationalists, the first of which was made in 
1930s. They made no such attempt against any other key secular leader in 
India or against Muslim leaders seen as enemies of Hindus.


Godse thought he was executing Gandhi on behalf of a majority. Exactly as 
Mayawati and, before her, E M S Namboodiripad felt that they were speaking 
on behalf of a majority - the bahujan samaj, the proletariat, the Shudras 
and the Dalits - when they attacked Gandhi. However, once the movement to 
which Godse belonged began to falter as an ideological formation and succeed 
as a political party dreaming of capturing power, it began singing a 
different tune. The RSS included Gandhi's name in the daily prayers of its 
branches and, in the 1980s, the BJP even adopted 'Gandhian socialism' as its 
official party ideology. May be Mayawati's hostility to Gandhi had not waned 
when she spoke out because she was yet to make a bid for pan-Indian 
presence.


At the other end of the spectrum, the Leninist hacks have always considered 
Gandhi a menace to progress, modernity and rationality. The respect to 
Gandhi that some of the retired Stalinists have begun to show in recent 
years is a consequence of their political demise. The vendors of secular 
salvation now find that Gandhi has survived our times better than they have.


M N Roy, who broke away from Marxism, disagreed with the Leninists on many 
counts but not on Gandhi. His three essays on Gandhi, read chronologically, 
show a declining hostility towards the Mahatma. The first is dismissive, the 
second ambivalent, the third mildly positive. As his confidence in being 
able to mobilise people for his version of revolution faltered, he came to 
grudgingly appreciate Gandhi's ability to touch the ordinary Indians despite 
his 'irrational' credo. Indian Maoists in the late 1960s and early 70s were 
no less hostile to Gandhi. He with his toothless smile seemed to them a sly, 
scheming warhorse brainwashing rural India with his bogus ideology, whereas 
they, despite their direct communion with objective, scientific history and 
theoretical guidance from the great witch doctor at Beijing, had been exiled 
to urban India to survive as an ordinary terrorist outfit. As Gandhi was 
dead by then, they took out their anger against him by breaking his statues.


Within a decade though, from within the ranks of Indian Maoists emerged some 
who drew heavily, often creatively, upon Gandhi. Pushed to the margins of 
politics, with their dreams of an early revolution in tatters, the ageing 
lions began to ruminate over their failures and take Gandhi seriously. Two 
steps backward and one step forward, as the great helmsman might have said! 
The liberals have never found Gandhi digestible either. Shankaran Nair, an 
early Congress leader, said that Gandhi was against everything that the 
great sons of 19th century India stood for. Gopal Krishna Gokhale was even 
more forthright. He declared Gandhi's Hind Swaraj to be the work of a fool 
and prophesied that Gandhi would destroy it after he spent a year in 
India. Such honest estimates are now rare, because the liberals in the 
meanwhile have produced their own house-broken Gandhi - modern, 
nationalistic, progressive, statist and secular. There is nothing left of 
the politically incorrect, intellectual maverick who took on the imperious 
Enlightenment vision and refused to accept that its dominance was proof of 
its finality.


It is possible that Gandhi sensed his growing isolation in public 

Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh

[Radhakrishnan Nair]

Your forebears migrated to Goa from Karnataka or Tamil Nadu. So you
can't call yourself a Niz-Goenkar! :-)

Cheers,
RKN

 Whatever efforts you and Reena put together won't deny  my Identity as a true 
 Goan.
 Getting names on RationCard, EPIC, Driving licences in Goa doesn't prove to 
 be a Niz-Goenkaar.
 Also that won't help you in becoming a Niz-goenkar either.
 Chari's are spread all over Goa, you can ask any Goenkar regarding Chari,
 they won't deny our origin as Goenkar.

Re: [Goanet] Eye Spy

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

Lionel Messias wrote:
Perhaps it doesn't pay
to be a Goan any longer because the government it was revealed in the
Assembly recently gave the Bengali Cultural Association, Panjim a
grant-in-aid of Rs40,000 in May 2006, the Gujarati Jagruti Mahila Mandal,
Margao Rs50,000 in November 2006, the Bengali Cultural Association, Panjim
Rs100,00 in December 2006 and another Rs100,000 in June 2007.

This defies belief.  There are scores of Goan artists, musicians,
traditional craftsmen etc in our villages supplicating for resources,
eking out a bare existence with no support from the govt.  We 
now see that Digu's troops have been busy doing their bit for 
national integration instead.  A few weeks ago, they fired Goan 
security personnel at the Assembly Complex and replaced them 
with Hindi-speaking ghatis.  Did Goans register any protest?
No man, not my problem, man, I'm busy with my bangdo, man.

To trace the roots of this largesse towards the Bengalis, I say, 
follow the skunk trail.  Who is the big Bengali shot in the 
current bureaucratic setup in Goa?  I hear he has also been 
throwing his weight around elsewhere, for instance in the CCP, 
demanding rights for the Bongs to sell fish in Panjim.  Like I 
said, any stinking Indian rat can saunter into Goa and operate 
with impunity, no questions asked.

Speaking of which, some of you may remember the Bengali 
Lt Governor who stole govt property, including priceless antique 
furniture/objets d'art from the Cabo Raj Niwas, at the conclusion
of his tenure (*).  The Dilli-deputed thugs have always been the 
masters, and the Goans their sniveling, groveling serfs.

(*) Turns out that life after retirement wasn't too kind to him.  I
think the filched items were later returned.  I forget the details
now.  Perhaps someone else can fill in.

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Re: [Goanet] God and Metaphysical Principle (1)

[Fr. Ivo da C. Souza]

Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
I expected your answer as usual denying the statements wihout any proof.
If Science cannot convert you, nobody can 'convert' you to God, because
Science has become your Religion. This is my personal feeling.
Personally, I do not believe that there is an 'a-theist' in the world,
though atheists may be considered as those who deny the existence of a
personal God. There is some
Absolute for everyone.
To somebody obsessed with empirical science, it is impossible to argue. You
forget all other arguments of common sense...which you will certainly be
using in your life daily and act on faith. I shall give you my answer in two
steps (1)
Fr.Ivo

You wrote: 'Faith' has a role to play in scientific work.

You are mistaken. Faith has no role to play in
science.

*Gratuitous denial of the statement. Yet I told you that a scientist works
with assumptions and biases, with beliefs and phenomena. That is 'faith' in
the
common acceptance of the word (I do not refer to theological faith)... Can
you use Karl Popper's
falsification criterion for evolutionary theories?


You wrote As for the rest of your comments and

questions, I have already gone round that block
several times. Please check the Goanet archives.
*I have present all your answers. They are just a blind repetition:
Empirical science does not prove it. Therefore, I do not accept it.

My question: Can you prove scientific hypotheses? Is it all evidence?

You wrote:  However, let me reiterate one point, that in contrast

to what you have said, metaphysical principles are
neither self-evident nor irrefutable.

*This is really a 'gem'. This could not come even from a scientist... I do
'believe' in your bright intelligence (through the principle of causality)
and also in your intellectual probity. You are not 'dodging', but you are
becoming a victim of your so-called 'scientific evidence'...

This is clear

from the fact that each religion has its own
metaphysical principles, which are often in conflict
with each other.

*Wrong. Each religion cannot have contradictory metaphysical, self-evident
principles.

For instance, Buddhism rejects the

idea of a creator on metaphysical grounds.

*Wrong. One thing is to deny the principle and the other thing is to
mis-apply the principle. The contents is not personal God. Buddhism cannot
reconcile the existence of a personal, compassionate God with suffering
(dukham). It does not deny the metaphysical principle. It is a 'practical
atheism'. Yet, there are different trends which 'divinize' creatures...

Hinduism

believes in a universe without a beginning or end.

*First of all, what is Hinduism?
Hinduism is eclectic, with several trends. It speaks of God as 'energy'.
There are different cosmogonies.
Creation myths:
In classical times the doctrine of Trimurti identified the three as aspects
of a supreme deity. Brahma was associated with the creator god Prajapati,
whose identity he came to assume. According to Manusmrti, at the beginning
of the process of creation, Brahma created eleven Prajapatis, who are
believed to be the fathers of the human race. The Manusmriti enumerates them
as Marichi, Atri, Angirasa, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vasishtha, Prachetas or
Daksha, Bhrigu, and Narada. He is also said to have created the seven great
sages or the Saptarishi to help him create the universe.In Upanishad,
In the Hindu tradition, the whole creation is the dynamic game of three
fundamental forces
symbolized by the three gods: Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. This triad is made
up of the creator (Brahma),
the sustainer (Vishnu) and the destroyer or transcendent (Shiva). The
correspondence of these three principles (creation, sustenance and
destruction) in our daily existence is to be found in birth, life, and
death.


Indeed, Vivekananda puts forth what he considers to be
a rational argument for it.

*Which is 'rational' argument? For Swami Vivekananda (1862-1902), the
Universe is an organic unity. All phenomena, from the amoeba to mankind's
behaviour are part of the evolution of this single entity known as Brahman.
And the goal of this evolution is self-realization, to manifest itself as
fully as possible. Vivekananda said in his speech at the World Parliament of
Religions in 1893:  You are the omniscient, omnipresent being of the
universe. But of such beings can there be many? Can there be a hundred
thousand millions of omnipresent beings? Certainly not. Then, what becomes
of us all? You are only one; there is only one such Self, and that One Self
is you. Standing behind this little nature is what we call the Soul. There
is only One Being, One Existence, the ever-blessed, the omnipresent, the
omniscient, the birthless, deathless. Through His control the sky expands,
through His control the air breathes, through His control the sun shines,
and through His control all live. He is the Reality in nature, He is the
Soul of your soul - nay more, you are He, you are one with Him. There is a
teaching about space-time 

[Goanet] CM Goa created History!

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

Goa Dordarshan had an interview with Mr. CM of Goa which was telecast on
28th January 29, 2008 between 7.15 pm - 7.30 pm. The interview was in
Marathi. Mr. CM spoke well in Marathi except that he was often using Konkani
words/phrases which are not at all a problem.  

He was asked a question as to who is responsible for second humiliation to
his government. In reply CM said - this time it was not opposition party
that played front stage drama but careful orchestra was played behind the
screen. (This answer was Atypical - hit a dog anywhere he will always limp
on his leg). The biggest question that remains unanswered Mr. CM is, who
played the drama on the stage, who where the active actors on the stage and
why did they act so, what were their demands? Where they hired to play the
drama by any Parivar and if so, which Parivar member drafted the script for
the drama? For better clarity, Mr. CM should have answered all these
associated questions for no Goan till date knows factuality involved. In
absence of this clarity from Mr. CM, Goans and media are involved in gossips
and speculations after speculations. May be Mr. CM is prevented from giving
exact clarifications! However the cat came out when he was answering
subsequent question!!  

Next question that followed, now that the dust appears to be settled, what
was the formula used to solve that second fiasco. Mr. CM replied, while his
body language was answering something else, - it's for the first time that
extraordinary coordination committee has been set up which comprises of
central leaders of Congress  NCP, Mr. CM of Goa and Independent
candidate(s) backing the present government.  This committee will decide
which portfolios are to be given to which party and to whom. The committee
will also decide on how to go about with the functioning of the government
so that no debacles occur in near future. I will only have to follow the
decisions taken by the said committee and all will have to abide by it. 

If one analysis all the replies given by Mr. CM Goa to the questions asked
during interview and his body language while he was replying, one can easily
come to conclusion that CM of Goa is the first CM with powers taken away -
when distribution of portfolios is always the prerogative of CMs! Above all,
for the first time, CM of Goa will have to consult not only to Congress High
Command but will also have to consult Coordination Committee!! These two
imposed hurdles do not in any way dilute the final consultation requirement,
for final say, with Supreme High Command of Congress party in Sonia. What a
fantastic formula of restricting the free movements of CM of the State!
Above all, CM Goa will also have to get clearance from bunch of non-chosen
cabinet ministers for any decision! 

All these imposed requirements on CM Goa gives a signal to Aam Admi that
today Goa has a Government that is being governed by someone else other than
CM! CM Goa created history not only in Goa but in entire Indiaby
willingly surrendering all legitimate powers and the rights of CM. 

Fore sure with such a new formula no MLA would ever dare or will be willing
to become rubber stamp CM...good stability indeed..and good for ruling MLAs
to do what they want without any hurdles. Three cheers to CM Goa. 
 
Best Regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad

Re: [Goanet] Re : My One Point Agenda

[anand virgincar]

  The story so far :
  
 
  I requested a clarification in response to Philip-bab's suggestion that
  I should invest in a long term agenda upfront ( rather than take the 
  political course I have proposed ) 
 
  My request to Philip-bab was :   
  I need a clarification regarding whether you feel there is some route 
  other than what I have proposed to bring about a sustained change
  for the better in Goa.   
  Philip-bab made the following comments :
 
  
  1) I thought of it in the sense of a list of points for discussion.
 
  2) I thought one needs to have a broad gauged historical perspective 
  before putting any plan into action.
  3) All I was suggesting, theoretically, was that we understand the Goa
  problem correctly and then devise a solution.
 
  4) Hope this helps.
 
  
 
  My  final comments ( in this particular exchange ):
  
 
  1) Unfortunately , Philip-bab, it helps very little ( or not at all )
  
  2) I have started my Goanet journey and have taken a particular
  stand ( and it is only a very minor part of what I striving to do in my 
  small contribution towards making Goa a better place for future 
  generations of Goans irrespective of their religious , political or 
  socio-economic status ) after much thought and careful study of 
  historical , practical and many other broad perspectives.
 
  3) As you obviously differ from me in the methods to adopt ( and
  I respect your right to do so ) , it may be fruitful if you can start
  a fresh thread about how we can  understand the Goa problem
  correctly and then devise a solution  and /or  a list of problems .
  I promise you I will follow the discussion keenly and if practical ideas
  emerge , will abandon my agenda ( and I say this again ..will 
  support the alternative solution proposed EVEN if it means switching 
  political affiliations ).That, my dear friend , is surely an offer you
  cannot refuse.
 
  4) And finally, in passing , people with medically caused  tunnel
  vision  ( seen in many conditions like glaucoma and degenerative
  retinal disease ) function pretty well in most daily activities ( I
  sometimes wonder if Arjun from the Mahabharat was afflicted
  by it , considering the archery feat he performed to hit the eye
  of the target ! )
 
  luv and regards,
  anand
 
  ( Dr Anand Virgincar )
  
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Re: [Goanet] God and Metaphysical Principle (2)

[Fr. Ivo da C. Souza]

Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
This is the summary of the discussion (3).

*I shall stand by what I have been
arguing for:
1.There is no conflict between Reason and Faith, between Science and
Religion. Truth cannot contradict Truth.
2.Bible does not teach Natural Science, therefore it does not contradict it.
3.Natural Science does not prove nor disprove the existence of God.
4.Scientific theories of evolution are hypotheses (or models) to explain
natural phenomena. They can be discarded and replaced. They cannot be
proved.
5.Science tries to explain the natural phenomena, but it cannot replace
metaphysics. Therefore, it should not go beyond the limits of natural
experimentation. The God of the physicists is the cosmic order. But
scientists, though they cannot prove the existence of God, may have deep
insights into the inherent harmony of the entire creation and see God's
finger. For us Christians, this God is the Father of Jesus Christ. This is a
revealed truth of Bible.
  It is interesting that we go from Stephen Hawking's 'anti-religious
agenda': What
place, then, for a Creator?, to Paul Davies who stated: It may seem
bizarre, but in my opinion science offers a surer path to God than religion
(God and the New Physics, p.ix). He may be overstating the case... But it
seems to be true today: Science offers us a 'path', leading to hitherto
unknown polyvalence of Truth, extending down through the history of the
intellectual curiosity of humanity...
Many scientists never probe the profound implications, and limitations, of
science. But are not those that do -- those who find philosophy, not
technology, at the inner core of science -- most likely to be physicists? Of
all the sciences, it is physics that asks those questions which are the most
fundamental, and perhaps unanswerable.

In physics and, I believe, in religion, humility means recognizing the
limits of our knowledge and accepting those limits. To be human is to be
unknowing, but it is itself a kind of knowledge to accept that unknowing.
There remains an undefined, unlimited, indeterminate consciousness . . . a
vague comprehension of the Absolute, wrote Antonio Aliotta. This is the
only way in which we can grasp that inscrutable power. We must not seek
farther . . . It can only be our duty to subject ourselves to the limits of
our thought and to recognize a mystery which really exists. It is a mystery
that resides in that place where the deepest science ends and the deepest
religion begins (Physicist Gary E.Bowman, from Northern Arizona
Univesity).Christian Revelation comes to our rescue. Religion gives us 
meaning of life.
Existentialism speaks of absurdity and dread (existential 'angst'), to which 
Science has no answer.
Dr.Viktor E.Frankl has answered with 'logotherapy' (through meaning of 
life).

Fr.Ivo

[Goanet] Re : My One Point Agenda

[Miguel Braganza]

Dear Philip,

As in the case of Manohar-bab, Rane, Karnataka's H.D. duo [Devegowda
and Kumaraswamy] and a host of other guys and their
cronies/well-wishers or whatever, this is a case of what Statisticians
call Purposive sampling. The answer is a KNOWN. The survey, and
analysis, is done only to justify the Known.

Installing a known devil in a known position is what is called the
AGENDA, hidden or otherwise. The principle is simple: Better the
devil one knows than the unknown. The unkown may also be a devil,
perhaps of greater intelligence [and, consequently, the ability to
cause greater damage] while feeding the populace with placebos that
seem to cure all ills of the earlier devils. The understanding of the
causes and effects is not something the Dotor is prepared to do. He
does his diagnosis, and prognosis, based on the symptoms and
prescribes the medicine.

How one wishes Malarial fever could be cured by a few tablets of
Crocin or some other Paracetamol ;-) Quinine is the bitter pill one
has to swallow. Even gin and quinine containing tonic water will not
help   as some supporters of Manohar's former No.2 -turned- Goa's
No.1 are bound to find out in Village Goa [or Aldeia de Goa as it is
known in Portuguese]. There is no substitute for the bitter truth.

We have to learn to play chess like Ivana Furtado. One cannot change
the pieces on the Chess board or convert all the pawns into Queens.
Strategy, concerntration, practice and hard work are the only way to
win a chess game. Ditto for politics and development. If one does not
have the time, intelligence or the perserverence one should play
Chinese chequers or Ludo, not chess!

Mog asundi.

Miguel

Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:56:31 +0530
From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Goanet] Re : My One Point Agenda

I need a clarification regarding whether you feel there is some route other
than what I have proposed to bring about a sustained change for the better
in Goa... You said :It may be better to invest in the long term agenda
upfront. [Anand Virgincar]

agenda. I thought of it in the sense of a list of points for discussion.
Now I sense that you think of agenda in terms of a to do list for the
future. You have already decided on some long term plan to fix Goa and the
first item is overthrow the present government. To me this seems like
Ready, fire, aim. All I was suggesting, theoretically, was that we
understand the Goa problem correctly and then devise a solution.


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Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh

[Vidyadhar Gadgil]

From: sonia gomes 



Is there some effort on Goanet to search for true
goans?


Welcome to reality on Goanet, Sonia. Considerable amounts of the
debate on this forum for months now have focused on this very
issue. It is the usual divisive agenda of dividing people into
good and bad based on ethnic background. In such a context, this
kind of status assumes overwhelming importance in some people's minds.


People move all the time, I met a family called Pai in
Kerala, originally from Goa but moved to Kerala a long
time ago. They go to Goa everytime there is something
of importance in the family, a wedding, a journey
abroad, they however did not know a word of Konkani
but are fluent in Malayalam. What are they goans or
Malayalis ? Does it matter ?


Couldn't agree with you more that it is a totally irrelevant
issue. But when you start classifying people as good or bad based
on such things, beating your breast and trumpeting your ethnic
background becomes very important.



--
Question everything -- Karl Marx

[Goanet] BREAKING NEWS: Azad Maidan unavailable this morning

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

News Flash -

Jan 30, 2008:  In a late breaking development, Azad Maidan 
will will not be available for purposes of pissing, defecating,
littering  loitering on the morning of Jan 30 as the said
area will be utilized to pay lip service to Mahatma Gandhi.  
Our ghati guests are invited to use other prime areas of the 
city as their temporary toilet until 12 noon after which time
Azad Maidan will once again revert to being a piss-pot.
Inconvenience caused to our ghati brethren is deeply
regretted.  The ragpickers who have been temporarily
dislocated as a result of this important function may
report to the Goa Medical Hospital complex for free food
and accommodation for the night.
*

Regards,


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[Goanet] Christians synonymous with Love

[Bhandare]

Dear Fr Ivo:

From your writings it appears that you are making the
point that Christianity as religious doctrine is
perfect and any transgressions committed by christians
are to be blamed on the inherent fraility of the human
self.

Does the same principle hold for other religions like
Islam, Hinduism etc? Are these religions also
synonymous with love empathy kindness and other noble
qualities?

regards

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