[Goanet-News] Tuesday Tantrum: Politicos take to launching NGOs (Gomantak Times)
TUESDAY TANTRUM: FROM THE GOMANTAK TIMES Politicos take to launching NGOs Launching new NGOs is the 'in thing' in Goa now, and the 'profession' hitherto the exclusive domain of a handful of 'activists' is seemingly being taken over by mainstream politicos. Even though a number of NGOs -- some very localised while others function on a state level -- have taken social activism, particularly pertaining to the fight against corruption and for protecting Goan identity to a new high, politicians have joined the race to form NGOs. An NGO that calls itself Goenkarancho Orixtt Avaz (GOA) and having Anacleto Viegas, the two leaves-holding permanent secretary general of the United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP), among its topline leaders, was recently formed to protect what it calls are 'Goan interests'. Wonder if the UGDP has abdicated its avowed objective of fighting for Goan interests, that its all-powerful Secretary General needs to find another organisation to do so. Ditto with our ex-Finance Minister Dayanand Narvekar, whom it took less than fortnight sans ministerial power to discover that everything about the Digambar Kamat government is wrong. And so his followers, obviously taking his cue, have felt the need to form an NGO to fight against issues like corruption, Coastal Zone Management Notification and so on and so forth. We draw one conclusion from these trends, that NGOs is the new route to credibility that politicians in Goa are opting for. Talak's masterstroke No, it's not about Rajendra Talak's new bi-lingual film 'Saawariya.com', because journos on the Panjim beat have already re-named it 'Savoi-Verem ya.com' immediately after its Muhurat shot on September 9. More so, after some critics told us not so good things about 'Anatarnaad', particularly about its flop-show at the box office, journos are extra cautious. But the National award-winning director is not one who'll concede defeat so easily -- even at the hands of thick-skinned, hard-boiled journos on the capital city beat. To win over our peers in the media, Talak roped in a PR firm owned by the kin of a very senior Panjim-based journo. This meant journos on the Panjim beat had no option but to cover Talak's Muhurat shot of Sawaariya.com, errr... 'Savoi-Verem ya.com' for reasons that need no elaboration. And need we say that we 'thick skinned, hard boiled' journos toed the line? And the heroine, it's all in the Rajendra Talak Creations 'family'. Beats us just how Talak's previous films -- both 'Aleesha' and 'Antarnaad' -- came out with flying colours at the National awards function! Sorry, Talak, you know, to quote Bollywood parlance, 'Shaque karna hamara pesha hai' (To question is a part and parcel of our profession!) Journos at receiving end Over-enthusiastic -- or ambitious should we say? -- journos faced embarassing situations last week. In one case, two up and coming journos who participated in a round-table discussion at Goa University seemed to have lost the track and got egg on their face. In the other, another greenhorn saw his over-enthusiasm cost him a not-so-friendly 'piece of advice' from none other than Chief Minister Digambar Kamat. It all started when Kamat was briefing media persons about his meeting with Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and few other Union Ministers after his Delhi visit last week. This journo, in apparent over-enthusiasm asked Kamat thus: Have you brought Madkaikar a chair from Delhi, indirectly hinting at the much talked of re-induction in the cabinet. Incidentally, Madkaikar was 'birthday boy' on this particular day. Obviously, the question did not catch the imagination of the Chief Minister, who expressed his dischantment by asking the journo 'to show some maturity'. 'This is not the way to ask questions,' was Kamat's terse comment, much to the embarrassment of the journo, who left the venue in a huff, no sooner the briefing ended. In the second case, two up and coming journos began raving and ranting over why they are at the receiving end of their bosses' memo-issuing alacricity while participating in the seminar on 'Social responsibility of the media in the era of globalisation'. Upset with the irrelevance of their discussion, a professor from Goa University, himself a participant, narrated how he too was a journalist and quit when he failed to face pressure situations. 'I couldn't take the pressure and so I quit the profession. Why can't you, was the prof's advise to our young journo friends. Goan in Gujarat We Goans are very conscientious, dutiful people. The world simply misunderstands us. See what happened in this Excise controversy. This poor excise officer who was caught accompanying the contraband booze consignment, which was caught by the
[Goanet-News] Goa news for September 17, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Dempo SC rallies to hold Home United FC - Hindu [1 hour ago] HYDERABAD: Dempo SC Goa came from behind to hold Home United FC of Singapore to a 1-1 draw in the first leg quarterfinal of the AFC Cup 2008 football ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/17/stories/2008091761231900.htmcid=1246523740ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNGb7caGP9lppTLgYcZOLuuEAfnF8Q *** Yamaha\'s FZ16 launches with Goa ride - Wheels Unplugged - Indis'a Automobile Magazine Indis'a Automobile Magazine, India - 13 hours agoUnveiling FZ 16 during a select media tour for test ride at Goa, CEO and managingdirector, Tsutomu Mabuchi said, With the launch of FZ 16, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.wheelsunplugged.com/ViewNews.aspx?newsid=1347cid=1246902485ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNE4KdJmLJTH-FaJLjhc7qq8tjA1jQ *** Goa to Have Special Cell to Counter Terrorism - Daijiworld.com [13 hours ago] The chief minister said that there is no Goa specific threat, but the precautions are taken as all the states are asked to be on alert. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51241n_tit=Goa+to+Have+Special+Cell+to+Counter+Terrorismcid=1246697112ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNHFfUzqPReQQSzfVkij4oiV7L-QEQ *** Goa to host 2011 National Games - Hindu [Sep 15, 2008] Panaji: The Goa Chief Minister, Digambar Kamat, and the President of the Indian Olympic Association (IOA), Suresh Kalmadi, have signed a contract awarding ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/16/stories/2008091657312000.htmcid=1246919346ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNFKNiJ0CtDG7mDE1IizyMTUYN9muQ *** Goa recalls UAE cricketer for Ranji - GulfNews [Sep 15, 2008] By KR Nayar, Senior Reporter Dubai: Ambey Parwatkar, an outstanding performer in UAE's domestic cricket, has gotten a call from the Goa Cricket Association ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Cricket/10245360.htmlcid=0ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNFxPrGtOKeuUlEOinCIM6UkbiHOVQ *** Goa: Protest Rally Held against Church Attacks in Mangalore - Daijiworld.com [8 hours ago] Archbishop of Goa, Daman and Diu Rev Filip Neri Ferrao seen during the Solidarity meeting on the Azad Maidan in Panaji on Tuesday. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51250n_tit=Goa%3A+Protest+Rally+Held+against+Church+Attacks+in+Mangalorecid=0ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNEygnmJTFNybxWdx830_AYvemlCtQ *** Goa tainted by overage allegations - Delhi Newsline [Sep 15, 2008] New Delhi, September 15 Spectators lined the stands of the Ambedkar Stadium for the quarter-final league match between Goa and NCC (Bengal and Sikkim) of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Goa-tainted-by-overage-allegations/361819/cid=0ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNEjKDtMSn-C_DNjYH6UOfdsk4jWOA *** Sesa Goa declines sharply at BSE - Myiris.com [16 hours ago] The scrip has touched an intra-day high of Rs 126.00 and low of Rs 118.25. The total volume of shares traded at the BSE is 1345601. In the earlier session, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.myiris.com/newsCentre/storyShownew_opt.php?fileR=20080916120054199dir=2008/09/16cid=0ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNHNh0BqMZ7p1kmA-knrwGq5Wi-nXg *** Goan with the Wind - Business Standard [4 hours ago] Aparanta is the Land at the Horizon, the faraway land, which we know as Goa. And here, there is always time. To rejuvenate, to re-learn pleasure, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=334618chkFlg=cid=0ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNEj01q-qj8SOvbUS2CsgM50IPyjIg *** Goa cops ill-equipped to fight terror - Times of India [23 hours ago] MARGAO: Despite all tall claims by the Goa police that it is on high alert to counter any terror attack, a close look reveals that the force is far from ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Goa_cops_ill-equipped_to_fight_terror/articleshow/3487339.cmscid=1246772282ei=ekHQSITlEYu2gQPUtZTKBgusg=AFQjCNFjFj-QfbsL3wBgp_SVv3M2lj2dVw Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Remmie Colaco - Another Song
Thanks Renson for the song. Also thanks to Laurie, Mario, Cruz, Eddie, Fausto, Andrew, Renson, Socoro Total greetings received so far 21 Quote: The song 'Gharachem Sukh' http://ishare.rediff.com/filemusic-Gharachem%20Sukh-id-419552.php [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Meet Mr. Goa Tourism Minister
Meet Mr. Goa Tourism Minister He is talking about Konkani.. http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=J6b9eoVA4BQ Tiatrist Mario Menezes, Wilmix (Wilson), Mriao's Daughter bay Rioma als seen. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Costa Santan, the life and times of an able-bodied Goan tarvotti (Selma Carvalho)
Costa Santan, the life and times of an able-bodied Goan tarvotti By Selma Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a theory that if you separate the Goan from the sea, he'll wither away. All of our history ebbs and flows with that vast, undulating expanse of blue water. One does not look at the sea with tired eyes but always with hope and anticipation. Sometime in the late 1800s, able-bodied Costa Santan, embarked on a career at sea, which at one point had him working on a ship listed as the 'Wartern'. Possibly in his twenties, and through the help of a 'Ghat Sarhang' as they were called in Bombay, he landed a job in the merchant navy. To his family in Goa, Santan was a 'tarvotti', a term believed to come from the Konkani-Sanskrit word, taranti meaning boat, but to the British that employed him, he would have been a 'lascar'. I found Santan, at the National Archives in the UK. What makes his journey fascinating is that seamen like him who sailed on ships of the English East India Company, some as early as the sixteen hundreds, were amongst the first Goans in the diaspora overseas. What was life like, for these early tarvottis? Santan's ship docked at London port. It was winter and he was not keeping well. Weary, perhaps suffering from malaria, cholera, yellow fever, or any number of accidents that likely befell seamen, possibly he made his way to a sailor-town around the docks. Hilton Docker (1809) a medical doctor to the lascars wrote, The natives of India who come to this country are mostly of bad constitutions. Numbers are landed sick from the ships, where they have been ill. Some of the original houses still line-up shoulder to shoulder, on either side of narrow alleys criss-crossing through Wapping, Shadwell and Limehouse. Walking through these alleys, Santan, would have watched as Chinese men smoked opium in the dark lodgings known as 'joints', foreign-smelling food hung from the rafters, soliciting prostitutes scoured the streets and lascars, mostly from Bengal, milled about peddling knickknacks to keep body and soul together. Mortality rates from disease, venereal amongst them, were high. Conditions were so wretched that it caused an outcry in Victorian England. In 1857, the Strangers Home for Asiatic Seamen was built on West India Dock Road, to assist with boarding. Even then, as late as 1920, Health Inspectors condemned the godown, used by PO liners to house their sailors while docked. In a world of perfect racial inequality, Santan was engaged because he cost much less than an English seamen. A 1901 census puts the wages for British seaman between UKP3 to UKP4 pounds per journey, while an Indian might be paid between 15 to 20 rupees, which was just about 14 shillings. (In those times, 20 shillings made a pound). Onboard, Santan Costa had been a steward attached to the ship's saloon, Topaz. Clifford Pereira, noted British-Goan, Historical Geographer, tells me that Goans were rarely employed below deck. They were almost always engaged either as cooks or stewards. English Captains developed a liking for Goan cooks, who had no restrictions for handling pork, beef or fish. Pereira has also uncovered evidence of Goans cooks being paid higher wages than their Indian and African counterparts on East India vessels in the eighteenth century. In 1957, Captain Baillie of a PO liner wrote, I have never failed to appreciate the cleanliness, discipline and comfort of our ships in which the deck hands are Lascars and the stewards mostly Goanese. But life at sea was hard, and the ship was often a jutting splinter of racial discord amongst crew members. English seamen called Indians, coolies and saw them as servile, obsequious and damned useless in cold weather. To the English sailor, the poorly paid Indian seafarer was a threat to his own livelihood. Beatings were common on-board ships. A Sebastian Dias who was hired in June 1915 died of a heart-attack just eight months later, while at sea. And a Joaquim Souza, who was engaged on-board the Baron Balfour, in 1914, committed suicide nine months into the voyage. Despite the inequities, Pereira says, Goans might have enjoyed a fair amount of privilege, perhaps on account of being Christian. An article which appeared on the Port of London Authority (PLA) Monthly of December 1957, had this to say about Goan seamen: The Roman Catholic Goanese have an 'altar peak,' with its own small altar, aboard every ship in which they serve. During the voyage. if there is no priest on board, they choose one of their own number to conduct the prayers. And another paragraph reads: The Goans are more clannish and less inclined to shore excursions. When two or three ships that carry these
[Goanet] Query: tiatr
Can anyone share with me a few photos from any tiatr they have? Need these to illustrate a short not-for-profit interview I'm placing online. Will mention source, but the photos shouldn't be encumbered by copyright. Thanks in advance! FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com Tech links from South Asia: http://twitter.com/fn
[Goanet] Why we hate!
Amidst the barrage of posts about people dying and churches burning, it is hard to tell the grain from the chaff. To make matters worse, true to form, sectarian impulses overpower any semblance of objectivity in the press or in internet forums. In all the propaganda and counter-propaganda efforts being undertaken on behalf of various interests, it is hard to find a rational assessment of any instance of religious strife. But here is one such rare example of sobriety about the Orissa violence in Times of India: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3453431,prtpage-1.cms Here is a pertinent excerpt from it: BEGIN QUOTE Ray says it is ironic that religion now divides the area’s tribals because most of them “have followed their own religion for many years — which is neither Hinduism nor Christianity but a form of paganism that involves nature worship.” They consequently have little understanding of the religion they convert into and are credulous enough to believe everything their preachers of hate tell them, she says. Add economic envy to the pot and it makes for a deadly stew. Kandhamal has a history of conflict among tribal groups. The district has roughly six lakh people, more than half of whom are the mainly Hindu Kandh tribals. Another major chunk of the population is the mainly Christian Dalit Panas. They account for 70% of the district’s roughly 1,50,000-strong Christian community. Sudhanshu Naik, general secretary of the YMCA in Bhubaneswar, belongs to Kandhamal and says the root cause of the recent violence there was economic envy. “The Pana Christians have always been better off economically than the Kandhs. They are literate and their living conditions are much better. The Kandhs have always begrudged them this economic prosperity.” Naik adds that it is hardly surprising the tension erupted into a full-fledged religious riot once “radical elements gave it a Hindu versus Christian twist.” What makes matters worse is Kandhamal has no one to explain away that dangerous “twist”. The tribals do not have strong, wise leaders, says sociologist Mary G Bage of Utkal University. “The absence of effective leadership has made the tribals in the area open to exploitation by groups who have come from outside.” Bage says Kandhamal’s current Pana versus Kandh conflict illustrates this sad truth. “Even though this conflict is historic, it was exploited by religious groups for their own ends.” END QUOTE Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Are doctors biased in prescribing medicines?
Dear Tony, You make very valid points. It has been my impression that there are a good number of doctors who continue to let the profession (and their patients' trust) down by doing a quid pro quo with the pharmaceutical industry. I have no problem with the pharmaceutical company offering the inducements. They are after all in the business of making money. I do however, have a serious problem with doctors accepting the inducements. Your point number 6 (infra) is perhaps the most important. It is the one which deals with patient trust. The same trust which gets violated when doctors discuss patient-records in public. You may wish to know that there are still some physicians who do NOT accept invitations for lunch, paid conferences, trips or gifts from pharmaceutical companies. There is indeed no such thing as a free lunch. There always is a price to pay for this 'fellowship' generated by the pharma-industry. Please see a 2003 BMJ Editorial No more free luncheshttp://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7400/1155 sincerely jc 2008/9/15 Tony de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 1: medical representatives medical salesmen. 2: What ever that may be, what amazes me is the inducements that are offered to doctors to prescribe by certain branded drugs/ medicines. 3: Some doctors even act as stockists for certain medicines and dispense them directly to the patients 4: Certain doctors make demands for advertisements towards various functions like seminars, medical ball etc. 5: could a patient be certain that it is the right medicine that is prescribed or was the choice influenced by the prospect of say the doctor's child's vacation in a holiday camp (sponsored by that manufacturer)? 6: I have no reason not to believe that a doctor who is sincere to the oath of Hippocrates would do any thing but his best for his patient, but human beings being what they are, I see the slightest suspicion creeping in. Could some of the doctors on this forum care to comment?
Re: [Goanet] Attack on Churches in Mangalore and Coversions activities
Dear Laluram, Please tell me if Laluram Salvi is your real name. I have seen many people in this forum from different communal and political factions resorting to empty rhetoric and wild exaggerations, and injecting sectarian hatred in one form or another. I would like to know whether you have genuine concerns based on verified facts or you are just another mouthpiece in a counter-propaganda campaign, concealing your identity because you are afraid to be held accountable for anything you say. Please tell me why I must believe what you say. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Laluram Salvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The violence in Mangalore is not unprovoked. It started when New Life Church members started distributing pamphlets saying that do not worship Hindu Gods. This hardliner Church had no business to interfere in beliefs of other religions.
[Goanet] New Feature: Beyond Walls
Hi Gaspar, All the best at Panos. Say hi to Kanak and Kunda Dixit for me. venantius From: Gasper D'souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] check out my blog: http://dabblinginmultimedia.blogspot.com This weekend, I am off to Nepal for a 9-day Panos South Asia workshop on multimedia content development, starting Sep 22. If possible, I hope to blog my experiences from Kathmandu, starting Monday, so if you would like to follow along and send me your comments, check out my Dabbling in Multimedia blog.
[Goanet] Attacks on Christians and Government apathy
Dear Goanetters, The attacks on Christians and their places of worship in Orissa may have seemed remote to some of us, but the current wave of attacks on Christians in Karnataka is occuring much closer to home. It won't be long before similar attacks take place within the borders of Goa itself. The right to practice one's religion is enshrined in India's constitution. Attacks against religious groups therefore need to be condemned no matter who the perpetrators are, or who the unfortunate victims. Both the National Government and the State Governments concerned should speak out forcefully against the abuses now taking place. In view of official apathy, perhaps it is time for more citizens to raise their voices in protest. Regards to all, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro **Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514)
[Goanet] IN SLIGHTER VEIN: THE GOA STATE COMMISSION FOR WOMEN AND A COMPROMISING POSITION
IN SLIGHTER VEIN: THE GOA STATE COMMISSION FOR WOMEN AND A COMPROMISING POSITION After being the first to bring the Herald sexual harassment issue to the fore, its only fair that we inform the readers of this blog, about the decision taken at the Goa State Commission for Women vis a vis this case. The GSCW has told the media that a compromise/settlement has been worked out. That the Herald Publications Pvt Ltd general manager N Manjunath has apologized to the commission in writing and he is willing to take the victim back into employment in the same position she worked in earlier, provided the management agreed. The GSCW chairperson Pramod Salgaokar has also claimed that she has received a favourable response from the Herald management on that front. We are thrilled. We are so damn excited. We told ourselves that we had to 'thank' all the players involved in this controversy individually. This post is an endeavor in that direction. for more please log on to http://penpricks.blogspot.com/2008/09/in-slighter-vein-goa-state-commission.html
[Goanet] Our visit to Malwan fort (Sindhudurg)
Our visit to Malwan fort Or Sindhudurg fort In fact, this is our second visit, first one being 3.5 years ago. Where we saw a twin or branched Coconut tree. See a file pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/1773123236/sizes/o/ The two-in-one tree still exists by dead now as can be seen in the video. The fort was built by Shivaji and his people in the year 1664 He often visited here and there are even his foot and hand prints. The entire island in the Arabian sea (as can be seen from the Malwan beach) is the fort with area about 48 acres. People still live there and there are about 20 houses in side the fort. There are temples, fresh/sweet water lake, tanks etc. They say there is even a 5kms long tunnel or passage way to escape to the nearest village, we missed it. We enjoyed the boat ride, a real adventure, simple motorized canoe (Voddem) with supporter called ‘ulantti’. They say boat or canoe like this don’t sink and that really made us to venture into the sea despite there being no life saving equipments on the canoe. It takes up to 20 peoples and charges are Rs.27 return per head. It is so low that one can deep his/her hand into the sea water ( as can be seen from the video). It takes about 10 minutes to reach by the motor boat. They give you 1 hour but that time is really not enough. However, one can extend the time by another hour but pays Rs.100 more while returning. It is about 125kms from Goa via sawantwadi. On our way back, we also visited Vengurla beach which is about 25kms from the main road. Check this video – almost everything included. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6AoZ38rWdA Some more info given within the video via subtiles etc Pictures to follow Here are some from the previous visit (not shown before) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/1772276115/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/1772276297/sizes/o/ The boat with side support (ulantti) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk/1772276641/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] need South Asians donors for Stem Cell and bone marrow
Immediate Need for South Asian Canadians to Join OneMatch Stem Cell and Marrow Network (September 16, 2008 – Toronto, ON) – The Appeal for South Asian Donors (ASAD) asks South Asians and other minorities to join the OneMatch Stem Cell and Marrow Network to help ease the waitlist for stem cell and bone marrow transplants. According to the U.S. National Cancer Institute, among different ethnic groups, the probability of finding a good match is 93% for North American Caucasians; African Americans and Asians have only a 50% chance. The best hope for any patient is a match from someone in his ethnic community. One such patient is Dr. Abhijit Guha, a prominent Toronto-based neurosurgeon, cancer researcher, and tireless advocate within the South Asian community, who was diagnosed with acute myelogenous leukemia in August. He is one of 20 South Asians like Haider Choudhury who cannot find a stem cell match within their own families.
[Goanet] Film on India wins award at Toronto festival
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-09-14-toronto-slumdog_N.htm 'Slumdog Millionaire' hits it big with audience award By Susan Wloszczyna, USA TODAY TORONTO — The people have spoken, or at least voted. Slumdog Millionaire, a Dickensian fable that plunges into the noisy, colorful and perilous urban chaos of India, has joined the ranks of American Beauty, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and Whale Rider as a winner of the People's Choice Award, selected by festivalgoers and often an Oscar harbinger. Much like Jamal, the plucky teen orphan from the teeming streets of Mumbai who wins the jackpot on the Hindi version of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? only to be accused of cheating, Slumdog has risen above its lowly status. The hard-to-market title was left in limbo after art-house label Warner Independent went under, until Fox Searchlight signed on to co-release it with Warner Bros. An enthusiastic screening at Telluride more than validated that choice.
[Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off Topic
Free but useful advice, not all mine. We are in volatile markets. The steep fall of the past two days will not last much longer, but the ups and downs will, for the next 6 months. That presents buying opportunities, availed of with care and professional advice. Remember the old contrarian adage: sell when others buy and buy when others sell. Or, buy low and sell high. Now is low. Never borrow to invest except for the long term (10 years or more) and except in a strategy that has no margin call. I feel extremely sorry for quite a few of the people I know who are being contacted by their investment firm for margin calls on top of their current losses running into the tens of thousands. Be well diversified however much the temptation. Make sure your investment portfolio holds a mix of asset classes (equity, fixed income and real estate) across geographical boundaries. To do that, invest in mutual funds rather than directly in stocks. Less volatility and better sleep. Also a professional portfolio manager knows much before you do when things are going to happen. You can buy meaningful positions in at most 10 stocks. The average mutual fund holds 80 to 100 different investments. Don't sell in panic at this point in time. Just ride out the tumbling markets. The worst market decline in recent memory has been reversed within less than 2 years. If you have idle money, buy when it is clear that the sudden decline has stopped. You will have ample time to know this. Markets do not bounce back in mere days. Above all remember that people lose money because of only two emotions: FEAR and GREED. May you have the wisdom to avoid both. With regards from one who has ploughed through various market cycles, Roland. Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] Indians now like sitting ducks
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:51:21 -0400 From: MD\Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why the violence? There should be some reason. Mario responds: There is never a valid reason for targeting and killing innocent civilians for political purposes. This is the very definition of terrorism. India has been a target of Islamic terrorists going back to 1947 after Muslim irregulars tried to annex Kashmir by force with the help of Pakistan instead of waiting for the results of the UN mandated plebiscite, and India was asked to intervene to stop them by the Hindu rulers of Kashmir at the time. Most of Kashmir has been ethnically cleansed of Hindus by Islamic terrorists through killing and intimidation. MD wrote: Why there is no peace in the middle east? Why Israelis do not issue exit visas to Gaza students though they have valid scholarships issued by the US universities? Mario responds: How can there be peace in the middle-east until the Arabs and Iran accept Israel's right to exist in peace and security, which they have not done since Israel was created by the Brits and ratified by the United Nations in 1947 as part of a two-state solution? Later, after they realized they couldn't succeed, Egypt, Jordan and the PLO accepted Israel's right to exist, but the others are still continuing their original effort to eliminate Israel. While there are claims and counter-claims of all kinds by both sides, without Syria, Iran and the terrorist groups they sponsor and arm like Hamas, Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, accepting Israel's right to exist, the endless US and UN-sponsored negotiations have no basis for success. Israel often clamps down on Gaza residents because Gaza is under the control of Hamas, which is one of the terrorist groups that have vowed to eliminate Israel by force and encourages rocket attacks on Israeli villages. Unfortunately, innocent residents of Gaza often get caught in these retaliatory actions. We have no idea whether these students are innocent or members of Hamas. MD wrote: Why do regional governments in India allow free hand to Hindu outfits to commit atrocities against some communities? Mario responds: Because they are either openly anti-Muslim extremists like in Gujarat, or latently anti-Muslim and anti-Christian while also being inept, as in Orissa, Bihar and Karnataka. Most Hindus are very tolerant of other communities just as most Indian Muslims are not terrorists. The extremists come from a very miniscule segment of both communities.
[Goanet] Why do Indian Catholics only condemn violence against Christians???
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indian Catholics in Kuwait condemn violence against Christians in Mangalore Mario observes: Why do the Indian Catholic organizations, not just in Kuwait, condemn violence only when it is aimed at Christians? How about being true Christians for a change and condemning the continuing bombings against Indians in general - some four random bomb attacks just this year, all aimed at innocent civilians, with over 150 deaths and scores maimed and injured? If there haven't been any Christians killed in these bombings it is a pure coincidence, and only a matter of time, because India has been pegged as a soft target by the Islamic terrorists where they can strike with impunity, anywhere they want to. The Indian authorities need to infiltrate these groups and destroy them from within. Every Indian needs to report suspicious activity they may see in their own neighborhoods. How can these terrorists obtain bomb making chemicals and detonators without anyone noticing in India's crowded mohallas?
Re: [Goanet] Why we hate!
Santosh, While I was reading your post I could literally feel my own skin searing a little. It was just an incredulous post coming from a man of your stature and standing. This is not the time to offer lectures and rationalizations. It is the time to offer unconditional reassurances to the Christian community of Goa and Goanet, where 90% are Catholic Goans. I'm sorry your post is ill-timed. This is not what I would have expected from you. selma --- On Tue, 9/16/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amidst the barrage of posts about people dying and churches burning, it is hard to tell the grain from the chaff. To make matters worse, true to form, sectarian impulses overpower any semblance of objectivity in the press or in internet forums. In all the propaganda and counter-propaganda efforts being undertaken on behalf of various interests, it is hard to find a rational assessment of any instance of religious strife. Santosh
Re: [Goanet] International Coastal Clean-up Drive To Begin Sep 20
International Coastal Clean-up Drive To Begin Sep 20 Panaji, Sep 16: International Coastal Clean-up day is being organized and coordinated on 20 September 2008. Indian Coast Guard Headquaters Goa area will be the main coordinator for the event at Goa. Folks, There is a Part A for this clean program to work. People have to be educated not to throw waste into the river or sea. And by 'educated' I mean that they have to be fined if they are caught doing so. While 'cleaning up operations' do provide awareness, it is no use cleaning up if people still keep on dumping waste into the rivers/ocean. Mervyn3.0 __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
Re: [Goanet] Nostalgia #3
Francis Rodrigues wrote: Thanks to all who continue to write in and welcome input from you all, incl. Mervyn, Alfred, etc. on Goanet. No problem, Francis. Here is a picture of one of the first cars to arrive in Goa. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/379152367/sizes/l/in/set-72157607330966766/ I was wondering if you could write up/post pictures on chess? Mervyn3.0 __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Wake up! Mangalorean Christians have a taste of government machinary.
Wake up! Mangalorean Christians have a taste of government machinary. By Sr. Joy, BS Secretary of Bethany Educational Society Mangalore September 14, 2008: The Sangh Parivar has struck again in Mangalore! Initial reports say that this morning on Sunday, September 14th 2008, they entered the Monastery of the Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration at Milagres, Mangalore in the heart of the city and desecrated the Blessed Sacrament. The reports that came in later said that they had entered and desecrated many of the churches in and around Mangalore. We have news that they have planned a massive rally in Mangalore for Monday - 15.09.2008. In the past few days the Sangh Parivar has been distributing booklets at the gates of schools to the school children and in public places. These booklets have contained inflammatory contents which would be a great cause for disturbance of communal harmony in Mangalore and in Dakshina Kannada. First Person Account - Sr Joy BS There was a big gathering on the road in front of the Milagres hall, Mangalore. We were all sitting in protest against the incident mentioned above. Most of the political leaders, sisters and fathers, and a big number of lay people both men and women were present. At about 5:30 pm there was some verbal altercation between the youth in the protest group and the police who had gathered in very large numbers and Fr. Francis Serrao SJ was addressing the protesters, when the police charged at the peacefully sitting protesters with lathis and began to cane them left and right. They also fired tear gas shells without any warning and forced the protesters to take shelter in the Milagres Hall. This is the way the government machinery was used to fulfill their aim and it certainly gave the impression that the perpetrators of the crime will be let loose even this time. On the other hand, a TV news channel reported that there was stone pelting on the police. When the police force was ready with everything to beat us with, including their bullet proof shields, lathis and tear gas shells, the news channel reported only that there was stone pelting by the crowd. Luckily for us, another channel showed a very good picture of police men pelting stones and tear gas shells. Many youth were hurt by the heavy lathi blows. One of the sisters, Sr Pramila of Sisters of Charity of Mangalore was hit with a stone from the police while she was right inside the gate of the Milagres Church Hall. She was injured very badly and taken to Fr. Muller's Hospital and it is not yet known about the state of her eye. We ask you all to pray for us and for peace in our region. We need your prayers and perhaps some united action; a glimpse of which we experienced today. Courtesy: Mangalorean.com http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcastbroadcastid=93120
[Goanet] Copy right
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[Goanet] ANNOUNCEMENT - PRAYER CUM SOLIDARITY MEETING OF INDIAN CATHOLICS IN KUWAIT - CITY CHURCH HALL AT 6.00 P.M
Dear All, Please note that a Prayer followed by Solidarity Meeting will be held on Thursday 18-09-2008 at 6.00 p.m. in the Church Hall Kuwait City. All Goan Catholics are cordially invited to join hands in Prayers and extend wholehearted support to attain peace and tranquility in the disturb areas and save the innocent lives of fellow brothers and sisters. Please spread the word around. Thanks and regards Wilson Coelho _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline
[Goanet] FAO: All Konkani Speaking Parishioners in Qatar
FAO: All Konkani Speaking Parishioners In view of the hostility and mindless violence targeted towards Christians all over the globe and in particular the atrocities taking place in Orissa and Karnataka, the Konkani Speaking Committee will be organizing a Night Vigil with Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament. The details are as follows: DATE: Saturday, 20th September, 2008 TIME: 8:15 p.m. – 10:15 p.m. VENUE: Main Church The vigil will commence with a silent candle light procession and conclude with the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. To show our solidarity and empathy towards the churches attacked in Karnataka and to assist our fellow-brethren in their time of need, we will be making a collection on this day which will be sent to the Bishop of Mangalore. Your generous contribution will make a difference in the life of many. Kindly do attend in large numbers! Warm regards, KONKANI SPEAKING COMMITTEE QATAR Forwarded by: Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=_Avn6_AepNwfeature=related Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter is presented by Ulysses Menezes, www.goa-world.com and moderated by Gaspar Almeida (since 1994)
[Goanet] Hindutva's Myths Exploded
For favour of publication. =Averthanus= _ HINDUTVA'S MYTHS EXPLODED. Averthanus L. D'Souza. One of the characteristics of any dictatorial political movement is to create confusion in the minds of the citizens so that they can never be sure of what the truth is. This is done is two ways. One is to spread rumours through the cadres of grassroots level workers, and another is to issue official statements clarifying the official position on any particular issue. This is a very subtle psychological game which is being played by the Hindutva brigade and by its top leadership. Citizens need to be aware of this and not fall into the trap which is deliberately created by the Hindutva ideologues. There are too many contradictions in the propaganda arsenal of the Sangh Parivar to be treated at length in a brief essay, but this short analysis will, perhaps, help to pinpoint the contradictions: Hindu Nationalism v/s International Hindu Solidarity. The entire Hindutva movement is grounded on the principle that India is a Hindu nation, and that only Hindus can enjoy rights of citizenship in India. In this view, Muslims and Christians, in particular, but also Jews, Parsis, Buddhists and Jains, are viewed as non-Indian. Each time a violent attack is carried out against Muslims or Christians, the Bajrang Dal terrorists shout that the Muslims and Christians should either become Hindus or leave the country. Islam and Christianity are considered to be impositions by foreign Muslim conquerors or by Western Christian missionaries. The teachings of V.D. Savarkar and M.S. Golwalkar are very explicit about this. According to them, non-Hindus cannot enjoy rights of citizenship. The Muslims are constantly warned that their continued presence in India is entirely dependent on the goodwill of the Hindus and the Christians are advised to form an Indian Church under the complete control of the Indian Government, similar to the National Church in China. The so-called principle is constantly repeated that only those who sever their links with any international community and become entirely Hindu will be tolerated in (an Hindutva ruled) India. The stark contradiction in this position is the fact that Hindutva is Not confined to the geographical territory of India; it is sought to be made an international religion. Ever since the famous Parliament of Religions was addressed by Swami Vivekananda, in Chicago the missionary dimension of Hinduism was begun with the formation of the Vedanta Society in 1893 in New York. Today there are Hindu missions all over the world, in the U.S.A., in Europe, in the Pacific Islands, in the West Indies, and in South Africa. The claim that Hindutva is a movement to establish a Hindu Rashtra, is, therefore, patently false. The comparison with the expansionist movement of Nazi Germany is too striking to be missed. First it started with the unification of German speaking countries; then it was extended to include all people of Aryan ethnic stock. Since racial characteristics could not be assimilated the Nazis began a systematic extermination, first of the Jewish people and then of other tainted races. The Hindutva claim to form a Hindu Rashtra, is, on the face of it, a huge fraud perpetrated by the Hindutva ideologues. From a close examination of the literature available, it is clear that the Hindutva brigade wants to establish a theocratic Hindu State in India, not dissimilar to the Islamic State of neighbouring Pakistan. Tolerance v/s xenophobia. Another myth which has been created by the Hindutva protagonists is the claim that Hindutva is a tolerant ideology and is based on secular values. This is far from the truth. Hindutva is a blatantly intolerant movement which thrives on spreading hatred and fear among people. In fact it is so intolerant that it seeks to re-write history, which, according to it, has been written by pseudo-secularists.Its distortion of history is so blatant that it has even created the myth that Asoka and Chandragupta Maurya were Hindu kings. This is a blatant falsification of History. All reliable sources tell us that Asoka ruled over a Buddhist kingdom, and that Chandragupta Maurya was strongly associated with the Jaina tradition. The Hindutva view of history is not based on scientific research, but on an imagination running wild. The Hindutva historians are worthy disciples of Goebbels who taught that if you repeat a lie over and over again, people will soon begin to accept it as the truth. If Hindutva is a tolerant political ideology which respects secular values, why is it that in all the States which are ruled by the BJP there is a systematic attack against Christians and Muslims?Why is it that tribals, who are not, and never have been, Hindu are being terrorized into converting to Hinduism?
Re: [Goanet] Why do Indian Catholics only condemn violence against Christians???
Dear Mario, Reference your message by the subject line above - Bravo! Why indeed have the Indian Christians woken up to condemn violence only against the Christians? Maybe it is because they too are aggressors by and large against the Indian muslim? Look at Goa for example, where they persecute Muslims by preventing mosques to come up, Muslims to gather in rooms to pray, or deny them space for burial. The condition of Muslims in Goa could at some level be compared to the plight of the early Christian church... Or have a look at M'lore, where for a long time the Mangaloreans excused violence against the Muslims in M'lore on the grounds that the Muslims were violent people anyways (they are butchers you see), and that for every Muslim killed, that Muslim will take two more Hindus. On the other hand, until recently, the Mangalorean Catholics were content to allow the muslims to do the protesting, while the Christians turned the proverbial Christian cheek. Now that the boot is on the other foot so to speak, all of a sudden things seem to be changing... Yet i want to continue, dear Mario (no sarcasm here, it makes for a pretty turn of phrase) to the latter statements in your mail. You say, If there haven't been any Christians killed in these bombings it is a pure coincidence, and only a matter of time, because India has been pegged as a soft target by the Islamic terrorists where they can strike with impunity, anywhere they want to. The Indian authorities need to infiltrate these groups and destroy them from within.? Every Indian needs to report suspicious activity they may see in their own neighborhoods.? How can these terrorists obtain bomb making chemicals and detonators without anyone noticing in India's crowded mohallas? if you have been following the Indian media reports you will realise that as the violence continues in Mangalore and Orissa, the focus of the nation is on the bomb-blasts - that came and went, and not on the violence (also terrorism) that continues. Where is the debate on identifying the Saffron groups as terrorist organisations? Is this status reserved only for Muslim groups? you invoke the Indian state as the locus of our identity - have you realised though that it is the Indian state that is failing to take action against Hindu(tva) terror, that the police are actively locking up and attacking protesting Mangalorean Catholics? Finally you invoke the trope of the Indian crowded mohalla - itself rooted in colonial and orientalist imagery of the inscrutable oriental - perhaps it speaks volumes about the manner in which we are looking at this whole problem? J -- --- Read my thoughts at www.dervishnotes.blogspot.com
[Goanet] Ref: Orissa Christians Suspect Hindu Hand Behind
In Response to : nbsp; Message: 5Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:25:40 +0530From: samir umarye lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;Subject: Re: [Goanet] Orissa Christians Suspect Hindu Hand BehindSaraswati Murder nbsp; Hi Samir, nbsp; I am sure you did a really good study before you posted your article congratulations, you have it all, names, nbsp;dates,nbsp;nbsp; plot and crime all in one fold and I assume you have the required proof as well, you have actually done it all by your self, the judge, the jury and the executioner, you should be definitely nominated for the post of the Chief Justice of India, with you at the helm of affaires I dont think any cases would be left pending in our courts. Well tell me one thing if its is as clear as you made it out to be, why is the Orissa Government not taking any action, please dont tell me that its the vote bank because the percentage of Christians is just abysmal, otherwise the Government would not have come so late in to the picture, if what you have stated nbsp;is true, you have all my support to bring the culprits to justice and they should be given the severest of punishment as possible, because its barbaric to do forced conversions and to make non C hristians nbsp;eat beef and kill their godman leader who has done no wrong or cannot do any wrong, in the name of religion and also because they nearly put the whole of India at a security risk. nbsp; I do have a request for you, since you did so well with your investigative reporting please take it little further and see which Christian Denomination those guys are from, there are hundreds of Christian Denominations. Tell me another thing which era are we living ?nbsp; Is it the 21st century or the days of the wild west, taking law into our own hands ? Where is it written in any of the holy book that if one is killed, you have to go, nbsp;kill and burn as many as you can for vengeance. All religions profess peace and brotherhood, What is Om Shanti Om ? Does Bagwat Geeta allow the killing and burning of innocent men women and children, or does the RSS and the cohorts have a different Holy Booknbsp;or are they the law unto themselves ? And you support them in their anarchy ? Religions were made by men for the benefit of men, to live in peace and harmony with ones self and others and nbsp;in morality but some how or the other we have turned religion in to a circus and us ed it to create violence and anarchy for the sake of power and money, the Gods have been bought for the price of human blood. nbsp; Do you seriously think that, all that is happening, is for a religious cause ? No, this just a political game, by power hungry vultures and they will not rest till they have achieved their evil goals. Why was India divided ? It was made to look like a religious cause but no, it was for power and position that this monster was created, today India is a monster for Pakistan and visa versa, If it was for a religious cause why are there Muslims still in India and Hindus still in Pakistan, Mahatma was the only person who could stop this divide and what happened ? Isnt the RSS responsible for that ? After that the RSS were just surviving but after BJP came into power they flourished, are we not all aware of what happened in Gujarat and now in Orissa. nbsp; If the RSS and their cohorts are fighting for a religious cause, what have they done for the poor and the down trodden ? Even though Christians are in a nbsp;minority, they run the most educational institutions, hospitals, orphanages, homes for the destitute, old age homes, homes for the lepers and lots of other institutions, nbsp;if all these institutions were only meant for forced conversions more than 30% of Indian Hindus would have been Christians. Investigate and check how miniscule is the work done by your so called RSS, Bagrangdal and the Safron Brigade on humanitarian field compared to the work of the Christian missionaries . They (RSS amp; cohorts) nbsp;have been trained for only one thing that is violence, if they can kill their own (Bapu), the father of the nation what about us Christians ? It is very easy for them to invent and fabricate evidence to get sympathy and support from the majority community for their misdeeds. nbsp; From yours and Laluram Salvis attitude I can safely say that youll are both hard core RSS or Bagrangdal or the Safron brigade activist and youll have never been to any missionaries run institutions or met guys who have been there, so you dont have a clue to what the missionaries nbsp;have done and are still doing, not just in India, but all over the world, so dont act like nbsp;frogs in a pond for whom there is no out side world and accept that the humanitarian work that the missionaries are doing at large is far far greater than what RSS and their cohorts will ever be able to do or achieve.nbsp; nbsp; I will give youll some names youll can contact them and ask them
[Goanet] Axiom estates
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[Goanet] Attacks on Mangalore Christians - A Dozen Doubts !!!
Attacks on Mangalore Christians - A Dozen Doubts !!! 1. Attacks started immediately after BJP supported Orissa state attack on Christians and Catholics. But the CM of Karnataka says Attacks took place in the areas of conversion activity. 2. The New Life Fellowship were distributing literature against Christians, Muslims and Hindus since decades. But the attacks were mainly targeted on Christians and specially Catholics including Cloistered Catholic Nuns who do not even come out of their premises to see the world. Thus it is not possible at all that they get involved in Conversion. But first attack was on thier chapel, Crucifix, Statues of St. Francis, Statue of St. Joseph, Holy Sacrament, Furniture and on Nuns itself. They tried their best to smash the statue of Mother Mary but the report say it did not even get a scratch. 3. Provocative leaflets, handbills, pamphlets against Christians and Catholics were being distributed for many days in front of Catholic institutions. How does this group blame others when they themselves indulge in such activities ? 4. An English Daily News Paper Report says a Police man was saying that their hands are tied. 5. News Reports say that police themselves were breaking their vehicles to initiate lathi charge, tear gas on Catholics. Most of the time police were attacking on peacefully sitting Catholic protesters. 6. News Reports say that Police illegally entered the Permannur and other churches, hit Christians mercilessly who were taking refuge inside the church including women and children, also break furniture and equipments in the church. 7. Even after so much of terror the Chief Minister wants to say that Stop Forceful Conversion when he is not able to prove even one forceful conversion among Catholic church in the affected area. Instead of ordering enquiry about serial terrorist attacks the CM has order enquiry about foreign funds. 8. Though attack was on Catholic church the Government of Karnataka claims that the attack was only on the Prayer Halls of New Life Fellowship. This is just to misguide Indians and international media. How can a responsible person who is in a CM chair can give such baseless statements when he himself came and saw in his own eyes the damage done to Catholics and Christians. 9. Fundamental Organisations openly owned the responsibility of the attacks. The news was also published in a prominent manner in the dailies. But the Local BJP MLA Krishna Palimar says, doesn't know anything of that sort. Is the Government wants to twist the story saying the only the attacks on the prayer halls of New Life Fellowship were by fundamentalist and the other attacks were from different miscrants inspite of eye witnesses ? 10. CM, DC assured that no one including Hindu Groups will be allowed to hold bunds on Tuesday (Sep 16). But Ironically declared Bundh to all the schools, institutions etc. 11. Why doesn't the chief minister condemn Fundamentalist group for taking law into their hands. How can he justify their serial attacks that are not less than the serial bomb blasts on Christians saying that attacks were because of the conversions. Even if they were hurt because of the literatures of New Life Fellowship they have means to take legal actions against them and this is easier as their own Government is ruling. But why did they take law into their hands. Why the government did not take action against Pramod Mutalik who openly said that 700 people were being trained to set up an Anti-Terrorism Army and the Army would be increased to 5,000 members within a year. If individuals or private organisation form Army then why there is a Government to take care of Law and Orders. 12. Is this State Sponsored ruling parties well planned attack on peace loving Christians ? - Ancy Paladka
[Goanet] Arguing about Arguing: Go(a)ne Cases
When people agree with me I always feel that I must be wrong. -Oscar Wilde. :::Arguing about Arguing: Go(a)ne Cases::: -by gasper crasto / Kuwait If you accuse someone of accusing someone what exactly are you doing? For what it's worth, this question sprang to my mind on examining many Goan forums in recent months, primarily the Goanet, www.goa-world.com/ Gulf-Goans Newsletters, http://penpricks.blogspot.com/ (an anonymous blog critiquing the Goan media) and http://goa-kranti.blogspot.com/ Sometime back, a close friend of mine pointed out to me that I did something wrong in one of my articles. Disgruntled, I objected: I cant believe you are blaming me! I could respond back with fiery recriminations. But if I am blaming someone for blaming someone I might as well blame myself of blaming someone for blaming someone. And so on.. As we read editorials, articles about governments, organizations and individuals that are intolerant of any opposition, when we read about anything written by ordinary and unknown individuals, when we hear of caste or religious intolerance, or worse, we should learn to be good and brave: We must tolerate intolerance. Thats the way we are taught. Be not intolerant of intolerance. In most Goan cases, it is observed that an accusation can give birth to itself in the following (non)sense: An arbitrary statement by person A is heard by person B as an accusation (person A doesnt intend to accuse anyone and nobody knows why person B might hear an accusation in a statement which he heard as a joke 99 times before. Well, maybe he did not have a good breakfast that day. Nobody knows even if person B really heard an accusation but to person A it seems as if..) Person B now makes an illogical statement maybe slightly unnerved or maybe just neutral but to person A it sounds unnerved (in fact, person B does not intend to accuse anyone. But it might as well just happen to him that he sounds a bit accusing, though he wouldnt like it). Now, obviously, person A does hear an accusation. And ta-taa: the accusation is everywhere though it was not there before, not really, because no one wanted to accuse anyone. But somehow everyone felt accused. :::Useful Debates or Personal Attacks?::: Debate is an essential part of our culture. Mostly, members of opposing communities/profession always wish to have their viewpoints included on the net. But many contributors often do not agree on the content of others. Many have the tendency to accuse others or each other. This often leads to personal attacks leaving aside the subject of discussion. And around and around the argument goes, irony abounds, and everyone is now only arguing about arguing. As a matter of polite and effective discourse, articles/comments should not be personalized but directed at content and actions rather than people. Posting personal attacks or defamation without verifying the factual truth is harmful to the community and to the publishers relationship with it. Attacking, harassing, or violating the privacy of any person should not be permitted. Such attacks can be regarded as aggravating factors by administrators. .How about just talking with the persons rather than allowing it to get to the stage of an argument? Well, some people, as popular Goan writer Veronica Fernandes often puts it in his articles, dont have marbles to question or call upon a person and discuss things directly. Usually, people who get loud and continue to argue and go on and on are not getting back what they are wanting - like a discussion, or resolution, or attention even. I think it might be more productive to ask what they want from you, or just quietly and patiently let them talk and listen to them, and do not react back in an argumentative voice. It is obvious that these people have a habit of accusing others for their own misfortunes. And so much so, they prove to be buffoons -- writing themselves out of reputation when nobody else can do it. Epictetus, the Greek philosopher wrote: To accuse others for ones own misfortunes is a sign of want of education. All of this, of course, accomplishes exactly nothing but to demonstrate the thin skin behind cockroach brain of these individuals and their mouse mindset, and act as a time waster. Well, some readers may find my points weird, some witty, some ridiculous, and it wont be long before rivals believing this write-up is being directed towards them, begin speculating the size of my dick. Well, in our midst, an unfortunate few, hooked on the futile thrill of online debate, devote their lives to its cause. They roam the internet, actively seeking out viewpoints they disagree with, or squat on message blogs and groups, whining, needling, sneering, over-analyzing each new proclamation - joylessly fiddling, like unhappy gorillas doomed to pick lice from one another's
