[Goanet-News] Coast stories :: The quiet storm (VM, etc in Time Out)
http://www.timeoutmumbai.net/client_coverstory/client_coverstory_summay.asp?coverstoyrcode=79 Coast stories :: The quiet storm Goa is still recovering from last year's controversies, but that shouldn't keep you away, says Vivek Menezes. The rivers still surge red at monsoon end in Goa. A mantle of green lingers on its undulating landscape of hills and rice paddies. It's exactly like the postcard images tourists send home. That's why India's smallest state has so many takers for its considerable charms and attracts so many part-time residents from all over the world. Mass-market tourism in Goa started 25 years ago with a charter flight of German tourists. To the considerable amusement of many Goans, that Condor plane was met by activists hurling cowdung, warning that ecological calamity and cultural collapse that would follow. Fast forward to 2008. The arrival of the first charter plane of each year's tourist season has become a keenly anticipated event. Just as generations of ramponkars, traditional fishermen, used to scan the heavens for early signs of rain that might affect the day's catch, their hustling, taxi-driving descendants look skyward for signs of arrival that will affect their livelihood. That first charter signals Open Season: an unbroken supply of dollar-ruble-and-euro tourists that will last all through April and May of next year. Goa in 2008 is in the midst of a huge transformation. It now displays all the problems associated with being a global tourism hotspot, as a wave of poorly planned development is rapidly converting the territory into a concretised city-state. While turmoil in the Western financial markets will inevitably have a long term impact, charter traffic to Goa has increased steadily. It came almost a month earlier than usual, accompanied by very surprising news – there are more than 825 charter landing requests for this season, markedly higher than last year's record-breaking 758 flights. This data runs contrary to the otherwise perceptible decline in global and regional tourism and contradicts the claims by Goan tourism officials that this will be a season of losses and cancellations, which necessitates tax relief. Just like every year in the new millennium, tourism demand will far exceed the supply in Goa and thousands of visitors will bring the state to a standstill all through New Year. Yet again, the creaking infrastructure will be burdened and there will be pressure on the real-estate market, as visitors begin the pursuit of a palm-shaded patch of the Goan dream. But while commercial demand seems unchanged, there is no mistaking a dramatic shift in sentiment on the main tourist beaches. There is widespread anxiety about crime and growing anger at the police and political cadres, who are perceived as corrupt and irresponsible. The rape and murder of British teenager Scarlett Keeling in Anjuna in February was a rude awakening for most Goans. They were forced to acknowledge evidence that a violent, drug-centred parallel economy has taken root in North Goa, where dealers function with impunity. When Fiona MacKeown, the mother of Scarlett Keeling, first came into the public eye with unanswered questions relating to her daughter's death (which was then being treated as an accidental drowning), she was immediately denounced in the British and national media for being negligent, among other things. In Goa, however, she was taken seriously from the beginning. Her accusations that a ham-fisted police and political cover-up was afoot seemed entirely plausible. As investigations vindicated each of MacKeown's claims, the Goa government tried to control the damage. But the Keeling case is likely reverberate a great deal more when it comes to trial, as many Goans believe that only a huge crackdown can eliminate the drug business that pervades large pockets of the coastline. It is in these once-picturesque villages, fanning from the original mother community of neo-hippie global travellers in Anjuna, that the increased tensions of Goa are most apparent. There are illegal constructions everywhere and migrant workers hugely outnumber the locals. In Calangute, Candolim and other famous tourist areas that have become overwhelmed by concrete, there are only faint reminders of the palm groves and sand dunes that made Goa's reputation decades ago. Having watched all of this unfold at high speed, with no controls in place, the locals have had enough. Goa has become tense about development, shifting demographics and their impact on culture and identity. Intense battles are now being waged in the panchayats, the gram sabhas, the communidades, spilling over into stormy protests that seem to take place every other day, in virtually every corner of the state. Many more battles are anticipated – against the open-cast mining operations that devastate the hinterland, against casinos that are being licensed despite huge opposition, against the planned airport in Mopa that will throw open
[Goanet] Noman Tuka Goa
Thanks JoegoaUK for putting up the super song. There is one more song; i wonder if you have that one. It goes something like this: boro mhaka laglo dhados lok tumcho gorib te khore, kalzaan bore dhados lok tumcho .. goa udentichea shara minachea dongrani girest zalea zorichea udkaan xitolkai mevlea mol korunk zaina aajun lipun ull'ea regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Navy vs AAI (at Dabolim)
--- On Thu, 2/10/08, Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Navy vs AAI (at Dabolim) Indian Navy Not to Shift their Base from Goa http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=51831n_tit=Indian+Navy+Not+to+Shift+their+Base+from+Goa The Officer says, on the one hand that Military airfield is military airfield implying that no co-existence is possible. Pardon me? But when did it become a military airfield? It was always a civilian airfield until the Navy was given a caretaking role by the military govt after the invasion. Was there ever an agreement with any Goa Govt to convert Dabolim to a military status? Was there any directive from the Central Govt making Dabolim into a military airfield? If yes, could the Navy share it with us Goans? What about the other places currently occupied by the military? Are there any directives from the Central Govt allocating these areas to the Army / Navy? There appears to be a MOU wrt Anjediva, but according to a recent report on the net, the Navy seems to be abusing its powers disregarding the MOU. I heard his explanation of why some new activities cannot be shifted to Karwar. He said that the airfield there could not be more than 4000 feet. Why that cannot suffice for helicopters, trainer aircraft and carrier based planes I am not able to fathom. They are excuses, my friend, to continue to stay in loverly Goa. I had made similar observations a couple of years ago to an arrogant ex-Navy Goa-netter, who stated some bulldust that Goa had a unique position to monitor space. There is need for an Indian Base Realignment And Closure (BRAC) exercise to rationalise air bases in the country and relieve civil enclaves of onerous loads like flight training in the urgent interests of low cost connectivity in a large and topographically challenging country like India and an aesthetically attractive (and peaceful) region like the Konkan. You can say that again. Cheers, Gabriel. Make the switch to the world#39;s best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
[Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation
This is concerning Dr. U. G. Barad's Contribution CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation to Goanet issue 1263. Dr. Barad is right. AD/BC are being replaced respectively by CE/BCE. I have seen this in serious reasearch papers on historical topics. But I thought CE stands for Christian Era. I also reasoned that the change is perhaps to bring about uniformity in the corresponding abbreviations used in other languages. But if C in CE stands for Common as Dr. Barad states, then my guess would be that the change is to make the abbreviation secular, that is to free it from association with any religion in order to make it more universally acceptable. ...Dr. Arun Vaidya. Vandana Arun Vaidya, Ahmedabad 91-79-2662 1507 +919824633794.
[Goanet] Mario Cabral e Sa censored in interview
In this interview and for the first time I have heard Dr. Mario Cabral e Sa speaking of Goan intention of 61. But the prominent journalist was cut short in his expression by our maha censorer even bigger than Salazar. Mario falls short as to the real story of diminishing interest of Portuguese readership. Cultural genocide was conducted by the neo imperialists to take control of Goa. Therefore English as a language was introduced so that the invaders could take control of day to day happenings of Goa. The timeline of journalism since the 60's in Goa is well conveyed by Mario Cabral. BC Mario Cabral e Sa: On journalism, Goa and more (1/2) and (2/2) A prominent journalist who has written a lot about Goa since the 1960s (and before) talks about journalism, Goa and more...
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] What do you feel about ministerial qualifications in Goa?
- Original Message From: Goanet Poll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:27:29 AM Subject: [Goanet-News] What do you feel about ministerial qualifications in Goa? What do you feel about ministerial qualifications in Goa? [ ] Ministers lie about their qualifications [ ] Education qualifications do not matter [X] Honesty matters, they shouldn't lie [ ] This is symptomatic of a wider malaise VOTE at: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=NS-Pollsfile=indexpollID=37 Goanet POLL http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] For kind favour of publication: N.S .S Students of Xaviers College, Mapusa, Engaged i n Anti-Plastic Drive.
2008-10-03
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St. Xavier's College - Mapusa - Goa - India - 403507 (TEL: 0832-2262356 WEBSITE: www.xavierscollege-goa.com)
Dear Sir, I will be grateful if you publish the enclosed in your issue and oblige. With many thanks and kind regards, Yours sincerely, Dr. (Fr.) Walter de Sá PRINCIPAL St. Xavier's College of Arts, Science Commerce, Xaviernagar, Mapusa - Goa - 403507 - INDIA. N.S.S Students of Xaviers College, Mapusa Engaged in Anti-Plastic Drive. The Adopted Village Cell in co-ordination with National Service Scheme (N.S.S.) Unit of St. Xaviers College organized an Anti-Plastic drive on 28th September, 2008, in Assagao Village under the guidance of Mr. Manoj Salgaonkar, Mr. Caje Pinto Mr. Pradeep Morajkar. In all, one hundred and fifty seven N.S.S. volunteers participated in this drive.They were divided into seven groups to cover up seven wards of the Village. The volunteers collected plastic bags, bottles, litter and other waste material, thus, keeping the seven wards clean and green. In this manner, they attempted to inculcate among the villagers the value of maintaining the surroundings litter free, so as to enjoy a good health and a sound environment. Some villagers and panch members joined the NSS volunteers in this Anti- Plastic awareness campaign and appreciated the efforts of the students. At the end of this drive, refreshments were provided to the students by Assagao Village Panchayat.
[Goanet] Communal harmony
Albert writes Goans are best known for communal harmony. A Ganesh festival will not be complete if a catholic does not visit the homes of the Hindus. Christmas cannot be complete if we do not have Hindus as our guests. Whether it is wedding time or funeral we have to see the two communities. We do not have too many Muslims but where ever they are they will be there too. The Mapuca Church sends flowers to Shirgao zatra while they send the church oil. This is a sign of living together in brother hood. So the Christian community should know that Jesus Christ himself would not like to talk evil of Ram if he was alive today. While in the journey of his life on earth he preached only brother hood.He came to change human beings to make them good people. He did not come to change people to a new religion. So if some one wants to convert a person to any religion you can only convert his heart. We Christians need conversion first. Our hearts should be converted into pure hearts. If you read the Bible Jesus told that he has come to the Jews only. Was he following the same principle as the other Jews by saying this ? No. His intentions are very clear. If he could make Jews good Jews he would convert the world. Today if Christians were to be good and holy Christians we would have the whole world as good persons .We need good holy Christians, good Holy Hindus, good Holy Muslims etc etc. Our life needs a change. There is no need for people following Ram to give up and follow Jesus. he has never asked you to do that. Love Ram and be another Ram. Love Krishna and be another Krishna. Love Budha and be another Budha and love Christ and be another Christ. We expect this conversion and not pouring holy water learning tons of prayers and saying I love you Jesus and hate your brother.Amen _ Searching for weekend getaways? Try Live.com http://www.live.com/?scope=videoform=MICOAL
Re: [Goanet] Only woman left on Goanet?
Cecil pinto wrote: Then a singular female galdiator camealong who dominated the bandwidth and browbeat most of the womenposters into retreat, and flattered many of the major male postersinto submission -- Hello, you've reached Goanet help-line for those suffering from Selma-fatigue. If you're a woman who has been browbeaten into retreat, press 1 If you're a man who has been flattered into submission, press 2 For all other complaints, please hold. If you wish to speak to an operator in Konkani, currently we do not have any Konkani speakers in Goa. Your call has been out-sourced to Mangalore. If you wish to speak to an operator in Marathi, your call has been outsourced to a government office. Please make written application in duplicate and submit within seven days. Suitable bribe maybe enclosed in envelop. If you wish to speak to an operator in English, please hold, your call is in queue. Your average wait-time is two days. There are 98 callers before you. Meanwhile, please assist us in filling a telephone-survey. Which in your opinion is the most pressing matter in Goa today? If you feel it is, Mega-project, press 1 Corrupt politicians, press 2 Selma Carvalho, press 3 Do enjoy our selection of Alfred Rose songs, while you wait. Your call maybe recorded inorder to improve service on Goanet. (selma)
[Goanet] Navy vs AAI (at Dabolim)
They are excuses, my friend, to continue to stay in loverly Goa. I had made similar observations a couple of years ago to an arrogant ex-Navy Goa-netter, who stated some bulldust that Goa had a unique position to monitor space..[Gabriel de Figueiredo] I too recall hearing something from the same guy about how flight training requires confidence building etc, mate. I thought then of how some of us first learn to drive a car in an open field or playground before getting on to a road with traffic. But that open field bit doesnt last for more than a session or two, right? And after all that, half the V/STOL fleet of Sea Harriers based in Goa has crashed in 20-25 years. Maybe because maintenenance and overhaul is elsewhere, i.e. at Kochi. And that 4K metre runway at Arrakonam is for helicopter training for heaven's sake! IAF has its own helicopter training base at Yelehanka which is giving the new Bangalore airport developers sleepless nights. What does the Navy need the jumbo jet runway at Dabolim for? As you suggest, maybe an Indian shuttle landing at a future date? Ha! Cheers.
Re: [Goanet] The only woman left on GoaNet?
2008/10/3 Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Selma's statement reeks of sexism, Since I am the only woman... Implying that only women can be messengers of peace. Goanet is not the only network pondering about this. Maybe the scientists on this forum could give us more insights. But some pop google-based two-minute 'research' says: Yahoo Answers: If testosterone creates aggression in men, does estrogen create aggression in women? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729213645AA0E2dk Humour 'comes from testosterone' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7153584.stm On the men, testosterone, agression link: http://www.google.co.in/search?q=women+testosteron+aggressionie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficialclient=firefox-a FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] letter with mog
Hi guys go on the link and hear the India anthem been sung by African in Kenya. mog to all from jjandson http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uAWarHi0OgE Mog (love) from Johnny, Jane Dylan Alphonso U.K
Re: [Goanet] Only woman left on Goanet?
Good one, Selma! 2 :-) Submissively, RKN Hello, you've reached Goanet help-line for those suffering from Selma-fatigue. If you're a woman who has been browbeaten into retreat, press 1 If you're a man who has been flattered into submission, press 2 For all other complaints, please hold
[Goanet] Noman Tuka Goa
Check this out Samir http://ishare.rediff.com/filemusic-Shylendra-id-57884.php Quote: [Goanet] Noman Tuka Goa Samir Kelekar samir_kelekar at yahoo.com Thu Oct 2 21:50:41 PDT 2008 Thanks JoegoaUK for putting up the super song. There is one more song; i wonder if you have that one. It goes something like this: boro mhaka laglo dhados lok tumcho gorib te khore, kalzaan bore dhados lok tumcho .. goa udentichea shara minachea dongrani girest zalea zorichea udkaan xitolkai mevlea mol korunk zaina aajun lipun ull'ea regards, Samir [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Coast stories :: The quiet storm (VM, etc in Time Out)
http://www.timeoutmumbai.net/client_coverstory/client_coverstory_summay.asp?coverstoyrcode=79 Coast stories :: The quiet storm Goa is still recovering from last year's controversies, but that shouldn't keep you away, says Vivek Menezes. The rivers still surge red at monsoon end in Goa. A mantle of green lingers on its undulating landscape of hills and rice paddies. It's exactly like the postcard images tourists send home. That's why India's smallest state has so many takers for its considerable charms and attracts so many part-time residents from all over the world. Mass-market tourism in Goa started 25 years ago with a charter flight of German tourists. To the considerable amusement of many Goans, that Condor plane was met by activists hurling cowdung, warning that ecological calamity and cultural collapse that would follow. Fast forward to 2008. The arrival of the first charter plane of each year's tourist season has become a keenly anticipated event. Just as generations of ramponkars, traditional fishermen, used to scan the heavens for early signs of rain that might affect the day's catch, their hustling, taxi-driving descendants look skyward for signs of arrival that will affect their livelihood. That first charter signals Open Season: an unbroken supply of dollar-ruble-and-euro tourists that will last all through April and May of next year. Goa in 2008 is in the midst of a huge transformation. It now displays all the problems associated with being a global tourism hotspot, as a wave of poorly planned development is rapidly converting the territory into a concretised city-state. While turmoil in the Western financial markets will inevitably have a long term impact, charter traffic to Goa has increased steadily. It came almost a month earlier than usual, accompanied by very surprising news – there are more than 825 charter landing requests for this season, markedly higher than last year's record-breaking 758 flights. This data runs contrary to the otherwise perceptible decline in global and regional tourism and contradicts the claims by Goan tourism officials that this will be a season of losses and cancellations, which necessitates tax relief. Just like every year in the new millennium, tourism demand will far exceed the supply in Goa and thousands of visitors will bring the state to a standstill all through New Year. Yet again, the creaking infrastructure will be burdened and there will be pressure on the real-estate market, as visitors begin the pursuit of a palm-shaded patch of the Goan dream. But while commercial demand seems unchanged, there is no mistaking a dramatic shift in sentiment on the main tourist beaches. There is widespread anxiety about crime and growing anger at the police and political cadres, who are perceived as corrupt and irresponsible. The rape and murder of British teenager Scarlett Keeling in Anjuna in February was a rude awakening for most Goans. They were forced to acknowledge evidence that a violent, drug-centred parallel economy has taken root in North Goa, where dealers function with impunity. When Fiona MacKeown, the mother of Scarlett Keeling, first came into the public eye with unanswered questions relating to her daughter's death (which was then being treated as an accidental drowning), she was immediately denounced in the British and national media for being negligent, among other things. In Goa, however, she was taken seriously from the beginning. Her accusations that a ham-fisted police and political cover-up was afoot seemed entirely plausible. As investigations vindicated each of MacKeown's claims, the Goa government tried to control the damage. But the Keeling case is likely reverberate a great deal more when it comes to trial, as many Goans believe that only a huge crackdown can eliminate the drug business that pervades large pockets of the coastline. It is in these once-picturesque villages, fanning from the original mother community of neo-hippie global travellers in Anjuna, that the increased tensions of Goa are most apparent. There are illegal constructions everywhere and migrant workers hugely outnumber the locals. In Calangute, Candolim and other famous tourist areas that have become overwhelmed by concrete, there are only faint reminders of the palm groves and sand dunes that made Goa's reputation decades ago. Having watched all of this unfold at high speed, with no controls in place, the locals have had enough. Goa has become tense about development, shifting demographics and their impact on culture and identity. Intense battles are now being waged in the panchayats, the gram sabhas, the communidades, spilling over into stormy protests that seem to take place every other day, in virtually every corner of the state. Many more battles are anticipated – against the open-cast mining operations that devastate the hinterland, against casinos that are being licensed despite huge opposition, against the planned airport in Mopa that will throw open
[Goanet] Only woman left on Goanet?
Only one woman left on Goanet? I don't think so. After doing a quick scan on last months posts, I have found over 33 women. Perhaps, 'the only woman left of goanet' was meant to say the only woman on Goanet to fugure in 'top 10 posters' :-) (last month's top ten coming next) Following women posted at least one msg during the month of Sept.2008 1. Albertina Ana Maria Anita Bernice Carvalho Cassandra Ethel Fatima Francisca 10. Jessica Jeevan Jenny Joyce Jane JaneG Ken Alice Kiran Marie Merwyn Elsie 20. Mukta Nalini Nirmala Olga Patice Puja Rochelle Ruby Sebastian Silvia 30. Thereza Valley Vandana Arun 33. Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goanet's September TOP TEN posters
September 2008 1. FN 71 1. Joegoauk 71 2. Carvalho 55 3. MarioG 49 3. Francis 49 4. J colaco 47 5. Ancy 46 5. Marshall 46 6. Goa pride 43 7. Minguel 34 8. Roland 29 8. Avelino 29 9. Philip 28 10.Venatious 27 11. Floriano 26 12. Santosh 25 12. Merwyn 25 13. EdwardS 23 14. Ruby 22 15. Arwin 20 16. Alfred 19 Goanet news etc 86 There were in all 1504 messages Total of all the above makes about 56% of the total posts. For previous months stats.. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-September/079880.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] St. Theresa's High School, Vasco - Golden Jubliee Celebration on 28th Dec 2008
Dear All, St. Theresa's High School, Vasco-da-Gama, Goa is celebrating its Golden Jubliee 50 Years (1958-2008) this year. The main celebration program will be organised on Sunday 28 December 2008 at the school complex. The organizers endeavour to make this the biggest ever school celebration in Goa!! Ever. Besides the other events - the concerts, dramas, competitions, felicitations - this has to be the grandest Reunion ever - 50 years of students...and teachers!! The special Golden Jubliee website http://www.stresavasco.com/ contains many of the old class photographs and it is very interesting to go down memory lane by viewing the photos one by one and spot many old friends teachers of yesteryears.Check it out, it is very nostalgic !! There is also a BLOG space to write in to your heart's content - school stories, romances, playing truant, playing the fool, exam blues, classroom pranks, science experiments gone wrong, gym disasters, teacher torture, canteen crapola, picnics, parties, retreats, outings, curfews, parental hassles..., write anything whatever you want!! All the past students teachers are invited to join in the celebration and are requested to register at the website http://www.stresavasco.com/ Kindly share this information with any of your Ex-St. Theresa's School relatives friends. With Best Regards MR. ELVIN GODINHO Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet] C.E. - Not a Cosmetic Change.
Yes, it does denote 'Common Era'. It tells us about a new era in the West,of the evolution of a people who once gave us massacres and pogroms, in the name piety and beliefs. A humane, common mindset, gave us Oxfam, Ban the Bomb, scores of churches into temples in Britain, state funds in Canada, and very bravely, forthright statements from mainstream Churches like the Anglican that every Faith could be a way to salvation. Europe once had Establised State Religions, but Sweden has severed all ties with the Lutherans, and Britain offers equal budget grants. The Consumer age and disrobed City/Council schools has played a role in producing teens in North America who do not know that Christ was born on that 'holiday', and think that Easter is a time to adore bunnies and chocolate eggs. eric.
Re: [Goanet] Goan music-8: HERALD(Goa), Sept 28, 2008
Valmiki Bab Thanks for the article on Goan Music I have with me around 270 songs of Alfred Rose, the break down as follows: 140 solo songs of Alfred 36 solo of Rita Rose 47 duets Rita n Alfred The rest solo/Duet/Group with Engelbert Rose, Schubert Rose (sons) , Alria Rose (daughter)and other tiatrists..(other artists for the 2 Live Musical shows) Most of the songs are composed by Alfred Rose, a few of them are composed by other tiatrist who used his voice for the introduction song for their album. I doubt if any other artistes sung songs composed by Alfred...but yes he used to set music for other artistes albums. Alfred Rose must have produced over 40 Konkani Cassettes (AR40 is the last audio cassette I have of his) Regarding Cecils inquiry of Boglant film songs: FC Global - Felix Correia has the 'rights' for ALL Alfred Rose songs...but I am not sure if he has all the songs of Alfred Rose. Check out for lyrics of 70 songs of Alfred Rose http://edskantaram.blogspot.com/ Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes http://edskantaram.blogspot.com/ - From: Valmiki Faleiro GOAN MUSIC-8 By Valmiki Faleiro Alfred Rose must be the most prolific of Konknni ‘cantarists’ (singers.) He wrote/sang so many songs that he lost count of them. No chronicler can fix the number of ‘cantaram’ he penned. He set most of them to music himself, sang a few hundred, solo or in duet with wife Rita, or others. Most, however, were sung by other artistes.
[Goanet] Violence continues in Orissa
It would be in the fitness of things if goanetters wherever they may be, write to the Indian embassies or Human Rights Commissions in their respective countries protesting against the continued violence against the christians which has been going on unabated for over a month in Orissa especially. They may also consider petitioning their governments to monitor / check funding to organisations like VHP / BD or any of their affiliates which are engaged in terrorist activities against minorities. If we not act today, do not be surprised if a similar fire engulfs Goa tomorrow. Nobody imagined that Mangalore would become a trouble spot. Pl see news report below. Regards, Marshall Friday, October 03, 2008 2 hacked to death in Orissa's Kandhamal Phulbani (Orissa): Two persons were hacked to death by unidentified persons in the sensitive Tumudibandha area of Orissa's riot-hit Kandhamal district, official sources said Friday. Kandhamal District Collector Krishan Kumar said the killings took place at Sindhupanka village in the Tumudibandha police station area late Thursday night. They attacked the house of Dushashan Majhi and hacked him to death with an axe,” police sources said and added that a 15-year-old boy from a neighbouring village, who was present in Majhi's house, was also killed with a sharp weapon. Nobody was arrested and efforts were continuing to capture the culprits, sources said. With this, the death toll in the sensitive district mounted to 35 since violence erupted after the killing of VHP leader Laxmanananda Saraswati on August 23, they said. The police have arrested 34 persons since Thursday from various places, raising the number of arrests so far to 371, they said. Curfew, which had been clamped in areas under nine police stations, was relaxed during the day to help people go about their daily chores, they said. As many as 119 out of the 505 licenced guns in the district have been surrendered to the authorities by the weapon holders following an official order, the sources said. Confiscation proceedings would be initiated against those who failed to deposit their guns. © Copyright 2008 PTI. All rights reserved. -- Will the all new Indica Vista zip ahead of the Suzuki Swift? Read the expert review on Zigwheels.com http://zigwheels.com/b2cam/reviewsDetails.action?name=Ro11_20080829path=/INDT/Reviews/Ro11_20080829page=1pagecount=9
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - II
Mario Goveia wrote? a) It was not Republicans who opposed the bill to begin with but the 95 of Mervyn's Democrat friends who voted against the bill who caused it to be voted down, when they neede only 12 more of them to pass the bill. b) Since the bill was voted down how could Bush 43 have done what Mervyn alleged in his previous comment? This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Mario, I agree George (43) Bush has no idea what he is talking about. There is a saying in Kenya: Chombo cha kuzama hakina usukani. = A sinking vessel needs no navigation. Kind of what your economy is doing today. Mervyn3.0 __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off topic
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since I have been asked to wind down on this particular topic, let me post one last item. Mario responds: I am glad to hear that I will not have to waste mine and everyone else's time corrrecting the relentless barrage of deliberately distortions of the US system of government, the involvement of the US President, the difference between the Federal Reserve Bank and the administration, or putting context and perspective on the series of selectively used facts. Anyone who reads the newspapers and internet websites knows what is going on in the US and the world, and many of them know why. For unbiased business information read the Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily or Bloomberg. The reality of the financial markets is that there is a buyer for every seller and vice versa. Both agree on the price. Some are gamblers. Most use all kinds of analyses, but the bottom line is they arrive at opposite expectations of the price at which the transaction takes place. Most will brag about their successes and obfuscate their failures. The buyers think the price is going to rise and the sellers think it is going to fall. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. The long term average return of professional investors is in the 10 to 12% per annum range. There are very few Warren Buffets and T. Boone Pickens' in this world, and none of them are on Goanet. Ask any advisor whether he or she is following their own advice in their own portfolio. If they are not, ask yourself why you are expected to do what the advisor is not doing. If they tell you they are fully invested, put your money where they have put theirs, but only if you are satisfied with their personal track record.
Re: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
Hi Victor and Selma Despite our very first spat on Goanet, I reiterate strongly and publicly that, I have the highest personal regard for Frederick Noronha and his general vision for Goanet--that I have repeatedly said is an esteemed website for Goans generally. However, there are things that are seriously amiss on Goanet moderation linked to the rejection of posts. That, there is now virtually a 'litany' from so many people consistently and independently emphasising problems with Goanet moderation, suggests that they cannot all be wrong or have ill intentions to undermine Goanet. In fact their expressed concerns suggest the very opposite when also noting that their Goanet rejected posts can readily find welcome acceptance on other Goan related websites. Goanet theory and practice on moderation needs a serious re-think in my humble opinion. Minimally, for a web-site, it is punitively inclined and not at all user-friendly. It therefore needs much rectification and I will spell this out, yet again, as soon as I get an opportunity. Above all, any criticisms of Goanet moderation must be made available to mainstream Goanetters and not confined privately to a ding dong between a moderataor and a critic. Otherwise, mainstream Goanetters are regularly kept in the dark about issues that need to see the light of day. They really ought to have the opportunity to reflect on issues that are not unnecessarily first 'filtered through' by moderators with marked contrasting visions of what moderation means--assuming it is needed at all or at least to the vice like grip it currently holds. Indeed, I think Miguel more than anyone else has alluded to this particular point. Further, many of Mario's (among others) insightful observations on moderation need to be considered rather than invariably rejected out of hand. I believe Goanet is big enough to cope with any internal criticism and will be the better for acknowledging and addressing criticism instead of habitually having it dismissed as inappropriate. I also think that, some recent thoughts from Eddie Fernandes, to systematically streamline the masses of information from Goanet is definitely worthy of serious consideration. Cornel DaCosta --- On Thu, 2/10/08, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for this excellent post, Selma. I have made many friends through Goanet, and had many arguments with posters who hold diametrically opposed views, but such differences of opinion should not destroy friendships or the regard members have for one another. --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all let me say that the internet is an evil form of communication. It denies us every form of sensory reception and yet affords us the opportunity for intellectual stimulation. Given this limitation, our friendships are formed based on shared opinions, but ruptured at the drop of a hat...
[Goanet] The only woman left on GoaNet?
Selma wrote: Since I am the only woman left on Goanet, I am trying desperately to be the messenger of peace. Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:56:26 +0530 From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I last checked Viviana was till one of the moderators of GoaNet. Christina runs the GoaNet cyber matrimonials. Melinda, Ana Maria, Helga, Jane, Bernice, Ruby, Arlette, Therese, Parvish, Joyce, Winnie are a few names that come to mind as occasional posters. These all are women. No? Or maybe I'm reading it all wrong. The composition of women posters and subscribers on GoaNet, and the reasons for their participation, or lack of participation, is a worthy topic for discussion. If for nothing else than to take the heat away from the moderation issue. Will the other women on this forum speak up, or at least stand up to be counted? Mario observes: Cecil, As the only true messenger of peace and truth and love on Goanet [:-))] I think that, while you have cited reality and raised an interesting question that has also puzzled me, Selma was wryly observing a perception that a casual visitor to Goanet may also easily arrive at. A quick look at the archive for the last full month, September 2008, showed that the total number of posts was 1,504. Of these, and excluding Selma, only some 60 posts were by about 20 different women, 15 of which were simply cut and pasted websites from the internet by one of them, whereas the stout-hearted, prolific and highly opinionated Selma single-handedly accounted for 57 posts, every one of them containing some original commentary. We have some brilliant women in our community. Clearly we need more of them to express themselves on Goanet, more often. Whether that would bring peace to Goanet is another matter:-))
[Goanet] NUN RAPED IN KANDHMAL : MEDICAL REPORTS
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[Goanet] Jordan's latest symbol of interfaith peace -Jesus Mosque
Jordan's latest symbol of interfaith peace -Jesus MosqueDPA/IANS Madaba (Jordan), Oct 3 (DPA) A mosque named after the central figure of Christianity is the latest milestone of interfaith coexistence in Jordan. Both Muslim and Christian leaders expressed delight when the Jesus Christ Mosque opened a few months ago in the tranquil town of Madaba, 30 km south of the capital, Amman.This is a message to the world that Muslims consider Jesus Christ their own messenger because he informed humanity beforehand that the Prophet Mohamed was coming, the mosque's prayer leader, Belal Hanini, told DPA. It also proves that Islam is a religion of tolerance and has nothing to do with extremism, he said.Hanini and other worshippers explained how followers of Islam and Christianity lived for a long time in peace and fostered fraternal ties in this area of the Hashemite Kingdom, an ardent supporter of interfaith dialogue.Christians make up 10 percent of Madaba's residents and account for 5 percent of Jordan's 5.5-million population, they said.We have lived in peace for centuries with our Christian brothers and now we feel that this mosque symbolizes our fraternity, Abd Horout, a Muslim lawyer from Madaba said as he finished afternoon prayers.We have been ordered by our holy book, the Koran, not to differentiate between messengers. We consider Jesus Christ a brother of our messenger, the Prophet Mohamed, he added.He pointed to a cluster of inscriptions fixed to the inside walls of the mosque which are enshrined in the Muslim holy book in praise of Jesus Christ and his mother, Mary.The Jesus Christ mosque was built by the al-Otaibi family, a Muslim clan that has a long history in the Madaba area and a distinguished record of promoting good ties with the Christian community.We wanted to set an example to be followed elsewhere for interfaith coexistence, Marwan al-Oteibi told the DPA.Giving this name to this shrine is also designed to let the entire world understand that Islam is a religion of tolerance that enjoys innate readiness of communication with other faiths, he said.Naming an Islamic shrine after Jesus Christ was enthusiastically welcomed by Christian leaders in Jordan, who considered it a new gesture of goodwill from the Muslim majority.As monotheists, we are delighted with this move from our Muslim Brothers towards Jesus Christ and his mother, as we realize that the holy Koran has devoted a specific Surah (chapter) to her, Reverend Nabil Haddad from the Greek-Catholic Church said.We, followers of Jesus Christ, have been moved by this step which has left us extremely happy at a time when we seek to present Jordan as a model for interfaith coexistence, said Haddad, who chairs the Jordanian Centre for Peaceful Coexistence.Putting the name of Jesus Christ on a Muslim shrine was endorsed by the Jordanian Ministry of Religious Endowments and Islamic Affairs, which acts as a watchdog for all mosques in the country.This gesture falls in line with Jordan's policy to encourage dialogue among religions and civilisations, said Samir Qudah, who is in charge of the Ministry's section that looks after mosques. _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx
[Goanet] Ban on Smoking in Public Places
Dear Goanet Readers ? What about ban on Spitting, Urinating? and Defecating in Public? ? More than Smoking, these are the biggest public health hazards in India. ? Cheers Anesimo AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.
[Goanet] Bevinda Colaco's interesting take on secularism
Sunday, September 28, 2008 A test for genuine secularism The Wise Old Man on the Hill told me that there are two kinds of secularism – genuine and pseudo and that most of us are pseudo. This annoyed me, I am secular, I said. Are you truly secular, he asked, would you like to do a little test? I will do any test, I said, I am truly secular; I have no problem with anyone following any religion. What about when they question you on your religion, he asked. I guess it depends on how they ask questions. But I don't see why they will because I will not question them on theirs, I said. Are you truly grounded in your faith? he asked. I am as grounded as you are in yours, I said shortly. Would you be able to take criticism of your religion from anyone of a different denomination? he asked. I don't think he would like to take my criticism of his religion, I said. Why not, he said, If you are truly secular you should learn about the other's religion and of course ask them questions about it. But I am not interested in anyone else's religion, I pointed out. Suppose you are in a position to offer a job to one among three people who are equally qualified, he said, to whom will you give the job? I will give the job to the best candidate, of course, I said. Suppose one of them is from your religion; will you give the job to him or one of the other two from different religions, he asked. Obviously I will help my own, I said, what has that got to do with secularism? Do you ever question the tenets of your own religion? he asked. What kinda dumb question is that, I asked. If you have a maid servant in your employ, who is new to the place and needs to go to a temple, will you take her to the temple? he asked. Or will you make some excuse and hint that it is better if she stays at home? She has come here to work; who has the time to take her on a tour? I countered. If you have guardianship of a small child from a different religion, would you teach him your religion or would you teach him his? he asked. That's silly; why would I learn all about a different religion? I would teach him my own since I believe all religions are similar, I said piously. If all religions are similar you can teach him all about his, can't you? he said. That's stupid, because I may make mistakes while teaching him his, I said. If your son or daughter wants to marry someone from a different faith, would you agree wholeheartedly? he asked. Well there's that whole thing of different cultures, etc, I said. Would you agree to participate in two religious ceremonies? he asked. You know how expensive marriages are? It would be a needless waste of money and the couple would need to save for their future, I would suggest a registered marriage, I said. If you neighbour asked your advice about selling his house or apartment to someone from the minority community, would you encourage him to sell to the individual? he asked. I like my neighbours and would not like them to sell and move away, I said. See, a neighbour is like a family member, I would tell him not to sell only because I consider him a family member. Right, he snorted. And it would have nothing to do with the fact that he was planning to sell it to a member of a minority community. Not at all, I said. So tell me how did I do in your ridiculously easy test? You only proved that you are pseudo secular and a bigot, he said. The column above appeared in Herald on 28th September 2008 http://ujusgottalaugh.blogspot.com/2008/09/test-for-genuine-secularism.html ===
Re: [Goanet] For kind favour of publication: N.S .S Students of Xavier’s College, Mapusa, Engaged in Anti-Plastic Drive.
2008/10/3 St. Xavier's College - Mapusa - Goa - India - 403507 (TEL: 0832-2262356 WEBSITE: www.xavierscollege-goa.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Sir, I will be grateful if you publish the enclosed in your issue and oblige. With many thanks and kind regards, Yours sincerely, Dr. (Fr.) Walter de Sá PRINCIPAL St. Xavier's College of Arts, Science Commerce, Xaviernagar, Mapusa - Goa - 403507 - INDIA. N.S.S Students of Xavier's College, Mapusa Engaged in Anti-Plastic Drive. The Adopted Village Cell in co-ordination with National Service Scheme (N.S.S.) Unit of St. Xavier's College organized an Anti-Plastic drive on 28th September, 2008, in Assagao Village under the guidance of Mr. Manoj Salgaonkar, Mr. Caje Pinto Mr. Pradeep Morajkar. In all, one hundred and fifty seven N.S.S. volunteers participated in this drive.They were divided into seven groups to cover up seven wards of the Village. The volunteers collected plastic bags, bottles, litter and other waste material, thus, keeping the seven wards clean and green. In this manner, they attempted to inculcate among the villagers the value of maintaining the surroundings litter free, so as to enjoy a good health and a sound environment. Some villagers and panch members joined the NSS volunteers in this Anti- Plastic awareness campaign and appreciated the efforts of the students. At the end of this drive, refreshments were provided to the students by Assagao Village Panchayat. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
[Goanet] 10-year-old Progress HS lad plays prank on police
-- Samir Umarye BICHOLIM, OCT 3 – A 10-year-old lad's prank sent Bicholim police on high alert on Thursday morning. According to Bicholim police, the Std 5 student of Progress High School, Sanquelim, called up the police on the emergency number (100) at about 10 am to state that a bomb had exploded at Sanquelim. The call had been made from an STD booth at the Sanquelim bus stand. Incidentally, the STD booth owner heard the conversation and asked the boy to wait at the shop. The shopkeeper then called us as he thought that the lad may have had more information regarding the explosion, police told Herald. Police rushed to the bus stand and met the boy, a native of Bihar but residing at Sanquelim, only to learn that he had made a hoax call. To mark Gandhi Jayanti celebrations, the school had organized a function, which had ended earlier in the day. On his return home, the boy went to the bus stand and decided to play a prank on the police. After he was brought to the police station, the boy told us that it was just a joke and that, he had called up the emergency number after watching television and hearing about explosions in several parts of the country, said a police officer. The police then summoned the boy's parents and cautioned them on the implications of misleading the police.
Re: [Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation
A point to note is that CE is also referred as the Christian Era. BCE as Before Christian Era. You surprise is a bit surprising. considering that CE/CBE has been in circulation for decades among historians, and countries that do not have any affinity to Christianity. Its a historical marker, and as markers go are often fluid, as religions inform us if we are willing to see differently. But to each his own belief. But very often we choose concepts to align with dominant powers. So there. If one reads books on Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam or Judaism — one observes that there are few constricting reasons to use or persist with AD, and those who have cause to use the same understand CE BCE rather well — as being the same. Unless one lacks education — some of my relatives, but it causes them no harm or joy either way. In India unless one is making a point one rarely hears AD. Seriously. For instance non-Christians do not have to use AD, and neither do Christians. What difference does it make for well meaning people like my mother or anyone else whether Christ was born exactly 2000 years ago or 2004 years ago. For all I can surmise this is probably what you are thinking too. Besides do non-Christians really care about this when they chomp into the Monginis cake at Christmas, and their kids run around the tree as is happening in India and relatively common in the US. Of course not. Other than that I believe that one should share of ones personal thoughts while asking for clarity on such interesting questions. Its always good to hear another view, as opposed to being face with another question alone. As Kaka Kalelkar said, Log mujhe bhala kahe to mujhe dar lagta hai. Hope this helps. Venantius J Pinto Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:14:36 +0530 From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation I was taken by surprise when one friend challenged me saying ?CE/BCE is no more defined as was before?. He continued saying ?CE now stands for Common Era. It is a relatively new term that is experiencing increased usage and is expected to eventually replace AD. The latter is an abbreviation for Anno Domini in Latin or the year of the Lord in English. The latter refers to the approximate birth year of Yeshua of Nazareth (a.k.a. Jesus Christ). CE and AD have the same and value.?2004 CE = 2004 AD. The word common simply means that it is based on the most frequently used calendar system: the Gregorian calendar. BCE stands for Before the common era. It is expected to eventually replace BC, which means Before Christ, or Before the Messiah. BC and BCE are also identical in value. Most theologians and religious historians believe that the approximate birth date of Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus) was in the fall, sometime between 7 and 4 BCE, although we have seen estimates as late as 4 CE and as early as the second century BCE.? My question to Goanet members is: Why is this change brought about? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
[Goanet] REAL eSTATE: Sad movies always make me cry. ;-(
Dears, Read the story below carefully. It is one in the series of stories appearing in almost all local newspapers ever since the Draft Regional Framework Plan for Goa 2021 was released to the Press by the Chairman of the Task Force on 22 September, 2008 even before it was approved by the Goa Town Country Planning Board or TCPB for notifications inviting suggestions and objections!! The TCPB met on 29 September, 2008, and approved the Draft RPFG 2021 without any changes. Rumours are rife that some Ministers gate-crashed and raised Cain. Digamber's other name is Abel ...and he is able to control those raising Cain. Watch out for the Official Gazete of Friday, 10 October, 2008, the notification should be there. Visit www.savegoa.com for updates, if interested. We do not have the village and town level maps yet. They should be available when the release is official. The other sad stories that are appearing in the newspapers are about falling prices of iron ore, the sluggish demand in China and so on. The newspapers never had stories of how the prices of iron ore crossed the Rs. 4000/- per tonne mark [from Rs.1,200/- per tonne two yeasrs ago] and how the exporters crib to pay Rs.24/- as cess/tax to the Government. The sob stories in almost every newspaper since 23 September, 2008, are to take the sting out of the RPFG 2021. Make no mistake about it. The so-called reports are sure to be syndicated or out-sourced like a BPO!!! If the people of Goa can be lulled into complacency for 90 days, the media managers will be in for some handsome bonus. The Final RPG 2021 can then be notified for implementation Mopa, marinas, casinos, bypass roads and all. I am NOT feni. I am Goan. Mog asundi. Miguel .. Times of India report: Goa realtors in deep trouble 3 Oct 2008, 0519 hrs IST, Preetu Nair,TNN PANAJI: In the past few years, a large percentage of property investors in Goa had been foreigners. But restrictive interpretation of FEMA has made it difficult for a foreigner to invest in India, which has affected the market. Says Chandrakant Kundaikar, legal advisor on property issues, “In 2000, 50% of the investors were foreigners, 30% NRIs, 20% people from other states and 10% Goans. By 2008, the percentage of foreigners was down to 5% and Indians, especially Delhiites, had increased to 55%, followed by NRIs at 30%,” added Kundaikar. The percentage of Goans investing in property has remained constant at 10% for the last eight years. At the height of the construction boom, prices in Goa had shot through the roof. Said Michael Lobo, director of Goa’s property and building trade magazine, Homes and Estates, “Apartment prices had been overvalued by almost 30% to 50%.” The present value of apartments varies from Rs 8,000 to Rs 45,000 per sq m, according to government registered property valuer and architect S N Bhobe. The prices at their highest, range between Rs 20,000 and Rs 45,000 per sq m in Panaji, Calangute, Baga and Candolim, followed by rates of Rs 15,000 to Rs 40,000 at Anjuna, Vagator, Arpora, Parra, Dona Paula, Miramar and Old Goa. The prices are at their lowest, between Rs 8,000 and Rs 15,000 per sq m, are at Pernem, Quepem and Canacona. “Prices may come down as the sales have reduced considerably,” added Bhobe. Said Lobo, “Land prices will not fall as there is limited land in the settlement zone but the builder’s profit will decrease, which will reduce the burden on the buyer.” Developers believe there are multiple reasons for the impending slump: the buying power of people has reduced with the crash in the markets, interest rates have increased making it difficult for small builders to sustain in the fast changing market and increased opposition to mega projects in Goa has also created a feeling of uncertainty amongst investors. “The construction market in Goa will feel the heat as the overall buying power of the people has reduced,” said Nitin Kunkolienkar president of Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry. The EMI (equated monthly instalment) on a 20-year loan of Rs 20 lakh works out to about Rs 20,000 plus a month. “Builders have little choice and will either have to scale down on amenities, sell the apartments at lower rates or sell the entire project to a bigger builder,” says Lobo. ENDS Get an email ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click here http://in.promos.yahoo.com/address
[Goanet] Mamma Mia, here I go again
Mamma Mia, here I go again Politicians, activists and the language of song By Cecil Pinto Bamboos, bamboos, bamboos!, sings Irene at one end of the stage while at the other end Tomazinho translates into Roman Konkani, Maani, maani, maani!. With a crash of cymbals Prince Jacob emerges from the smoke, mike in hand crooning, Money, money, money. Must be funny, in a rich man's world!. I'm hallucinating! It's the sequence of events that did it. Monday is not my favourite day of the week but going for the morning show of the movie Mamma Mia did help me forget the hangover. A fun-filled romantic story interspersed with popular ABBA songs. Sitting next to me was a lively woman who seemed to know all the lyrics and was belting them out enthusiastically. If she wasn't already my wife I would have asked her to marry me! 'Try once more like you did before Sing a new song, Chiquitita' Well just four hours later I find myself in a packed auditorium awaiting the commencement of a debate on whether Goans have really become eco-sensitive or whether we are just anti-development. I found a seat next to Public Relations professional Skitter Faia, who knows everyone that matters, and everything there is to know about hair straightening. A lovely audience of concerned Goans complemented by a well chosen panel of intelligent articulate Goans – Prof. Nandakumar, Fr. Maverick, CM Kamat, Parrikar, Dr. Oscar and another 'undaised' panel of Nitin Industry Kuncolienkar, Nilesh Builder Salkar, Subodh Installation Kerkar, Ramesh Anti-Mine Gawas and Patricia Environment Pinto. 'Where is the spring and the summer That once was yours and mine?' The moderator was Sandesh Prabhudesai - as always eloquent, provocative, fair handed, firm and prudent. While they spent absolutely ages adjusting the mikes it was but natural that my mind wandered. To the morning's movie…and back to the present. ABBA was famous for outlandish glitzy costumes. Nandakumar and Oscar had on folded long sleeve shirts. Sandesh and Maverick were in ethnic kurtas, while Parrikar had his trademark short sleeve shirt. Kamat was looking uncomfortable with long shirt sleeves fully buttoned. I couldn't see the 'undaised' panel, as they were sitting in the front row with their back to the audience, but I noticed Nitin was wearing his patented 1970 polyester styled fine checked suit jacket. Somebody should give him and our CM, both wearing the same style spectacle frames, a fashion makeover. 'People everywhere A sense of expectation hanging in the air… Voulez-vous (ah-ha)' The language used in the mega-debate was an eclectic mix of Konkani, English and propaganda. Sandesh loudly shouted a theatrical introduction to each segment. This shouting must be a technical thing to do with checking sound. Parrikar said Goans have always been eco-sensitive and would make good diary farmers and security guards. Maverick said locals wanted participation in governance to improve the quality of their lives, and not have misleading first-names. Oscar quoted, The arrogance of the rich will be met by a low intensity civil war in Turkey, or something to that effect. 'Waterloo - I was defeated, you won the war Waterloo - promise to love you for ever more' Nandakumar insisted that Government policy has to address the poorest of the poor who had no e-mail address. Kamat said his Government was open to consensus as long as it was top to bottom, and not bottom to top as Oscar insisted. 'Knowing me, knowing you (ah-haa) It's the best I can do' In the second round of the debate the undaised panelists joined in. Nitin claimed that an Agitation Industry has replaced the Agriculture Industry, which everyone agreed had to be revived. Nilesh showed the connection between housing and infrastructure, If there were no roads, why would we build houses?, or maybe he said that the Government must provide roads for builders. 'Don't go sharing your devotion Lay all your love on me' Ramesh said, Fail to prepare, prepare to fail – or join a student union and ask for re-evaluation. Patricia said everyone was rubbishing the garbage problem, as did Subodh, with a Biblical quote, Let he who throws plastic in the harvest cast the first stone. 'What about Livingstone? What about Livingstone?' Kamat said he threw out SEZ because it was all about land. Despite not having a copy of the Regional Plan Parrikar said, and everyone naturally agreed, that we should encourage industries that employed Goans and froze the non-Goan population. Maverick refuted Subodh's remark at the Church's involvement by saying that Goan Catholics had agitated for Ramponkars, Konkani, Statehood and against Du Pont, Meta Strips, mega–projects and the Konkan Railway. 'Just another town, another train Nothing lost and nothing gained' Conflicting statistics were used by all concerned, including an audience member, to make their point. 800 engineers pass out every year and 73% of them have to move out of state for jobs as there are
[Goanet] 2 held for thefts in Bicholim, property recovered
-- Samir Umarye BICHOLIM, OCT 3 – In a major breakthrough, Bicholim police has nabbed two persons from Sanquelim in connection with several thefts in Goa, Maharastra and Karnataka and has recovered property worth Rs 3 lakh. Police informed that items like gold melting furnace, golden ornaments, two motorcycles, mobile sets, stereo sets, foreign currency and other such valuables have been recovered from the accused, Raju Chari and Prakash Patil. The duo were involved in several thefts since the last few years, which they had committed at several places like Porvorim, Calangute, Pernem, Bicholim, Arambol, Dodamarg, Banda and Sawantwadi in Maharashtra, said PI Braz Menezes. We had arrested Raju some days ago and were on the lookout for Prakash, who was reported to be at Dodamarg, he added. The duo was wanted in almost all the police stations in North Goa and in Belgaum, where they had committed over 25 thefts, informed PI Menezes adding we have also recovered special weapons used for committing crime. The equipments recovered from the duo prove that they are well- trained and involved in crimes since several years, he added. He said that the arrests were made after keeping a track on them for almost a month. The police team, comprising PI Braz Menezes, PSI Tukaram Walke, Hawaldar Ganesh Joshi, Uday Umarye, Anna Bordekar, Terence Vaz and Nilesh Fogueri, were guided by DySP Bossuet D'Silva.
Re: [Goanet] Scientific literacy
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read books on Eucharistic Miracles written by authors with scientific background. The ignorance about what is meant by science and its purpose continues. Students of science know that a book about the supernatural does not become scientific just because it is written by someone with a scientific background. This would be easily apparent if Fr. Ivo could actually give us the title and the name of the author of any such book that he has read. ***I do not understand the logic of Dr.Santosh. What is he denying? We do not need his help to know what is scientific and not. I would rather challenge Dr.Santosh to examine at Lanciano and explain the miraculous phenomenon. As far as the following re-recycled obscure report is concerned, I have already told you in one of my previous posts why the flawed findings contained in it are worthless. One has to be afflicted with a serious case of credulity to believe that this is evidence for the actual conversion of inanimate matter to human tissue. ***Am I credulous if I do accept the fact examined by Dr.Eduardo Linoli and take it as a miracle? I do not need the scientific statement given by Dr.Santosh. All of us know that scientifically it is not possible (actual conversion of inanimate matter to human tissue). For us Christians it is the consecrated Host, the sacrament of the Body of Christ. The actual conversion of the Host into Flesh and Blood confirms our Faith in the words of Jesus. That is why we call miracle the fact attested by Dr.Eduardo Linoli. It can be seen even today. From all of this most students of science would realize what kind of unreliable fringe material we are dealing with here. ***Why should Dr.Santosh refer to students of Science, as if we are scientifically illiterate? Are his students of Science competent to assess this phenomenon? By the fact that we accept the Eucharistic miracles are we scientifically illiterate? Does he need to tell me that there cannot be actual conversion of inanimate matter to human tissue? But how does Dr.Santosh explain the fact? I do accept it as a miracle and have no problems to tell others about it. Scientists may accept the explanation or not, that does not make any difference. Let them give their scientific explanation. I shall listen to it, provided that they respect the facts. There is no argument against the facts. These facts have been accepted by scientists like Dr. Eduardo Linoli. I know the physical laws, but do accept that this is a miracle, based on the words of Jesus. It continues there for all to see. Mere denial of facts does not provide a scientific explanation for the phenomena. Our Faith is not based on miracles, but this Eucharistic miracle does confirm our faith in the Eucharist. Regards. Fr.Ivo Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr.Linoli examined the host turned into flesh and blood and concluded that it was cardiac tissue. The scientific value of the statement comes from the research of Dr.Linoli. It is based on the historical report of the miraculous phenomenon.
[Goanet] (Sing along) Most popular Goan lullaby 'Dol Mhojea Bai'
(Sing along) Most popular Goan lullaby 'Dol Mhojea Bai' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOoTdEdyIH8 Translation welcome [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Dear Roland, I am also out of Goa...in Saudi Arabia...whenever my Goan friends go on vacation I request them to buy the new CD's for me. Goans in UK/Canada can also check out whose currently travelling to Goa and request the same. The Goan Associations worldwide should also make an attempt to import Konkani Music and then sell them to Goans in respective countries. This can help our Goan artistes to some extent. Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/Saudi Arabia From: Roland Franci The least I can do is buy her album. Please tell me how I can get it. Regards, Roland. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Eddie
[Goanet] Uncommon Civility, Not Loss of Face.
It was displayed by Christians who effected the makeover from B.C. Now, there are latter day revisionists around, like those who would thrust the Latin Mass on us, again. We can live with them. And we will outlive those fossils who thrive on their illusions. Telling one half of humanity they belong to no era at all, in effect, does little to embellish the Faith of the other half, one Christ deeded on a 'Rock', not petty symbolism. eric.
[Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation
Dear Dr. Barad, You probably already have checked/encountered the information on Wikipedia by now, but just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era Before Common era Before Christian era Before Current era But they all are the exact same as AD and none have a year zero. The birth date of Christ in all probability is inaccurate, but that aside the faith to wit of most Christians in India and its application in their daily lives is pretty strong. Of course faith as such can be shaken with time and excesses for and against. Also the arguments for and against thsi notative usage is interesting reading. As I indicated earlier; its good to bring these ideas on Goanet, but all this information is out there. Of course, I do understand that on Goanet one hopes to get a range of Goan opinions. Venantius J Pinto
[Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: Domnic's Goa by Domnic P.F.Fernandes - reviewed by Peter Nazareth
MAPPING OUR WORLD Peter Nazareth I received a copy of Domnic's Goa while I was reading A Third Map: New and Selected Poems by Edwin Thumboo (Uni Press, Centre for the Arts, National University of Singapore, 1993), preparing to teach a class on Singapore Literature and write a book on Thumboo. I have been involved with Thumboo's writing since I did an interview with him in 1977, when he came to the International Writing Program at the University of Iowa at the same time as I began to work for it as Advisor. The transcribed interview of 81 pages has been published in extracts in five countries, most recently in Singapore in ARIELS: Departures and Returns (Oxford University Press, 2001). Thumboo was an official in the government and then, at the National University of Singapore, was Chair of the Department of English, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Director of the Centre for the Arts, but he is best known as the unofficial poet laureate of Singapore. Although I was born in Uganda, I was interested in Malaysia because my mother was born in Kuala Lumpur, where my maternal grandfather, Mathias Gomes, was a professional classical musician. Thumboo had studied African poetry and had directed the Master's dissertation of Theo Luzuka, the Ugandan who designed the cover of my novel, In a Brown Mantle. To my surprise, there was a connection between Domnic's and Thumboo's books. Both are national writers concerned with nature and a past that seems to have disappeared. For most Goans, missing the past means longing for the good old days under Portuguese colonialism-I found criticism of Domnic's book on this score in a review by Claude Alvares posted on the internet. But Domnic begins Chapter 3 as follows: Contrary to what some make it sound like now, life in the Goa of the Forties and Fifties was not a piece of cake. It was tough. Those of us who were born during this period have witnessed tremendous changes. It was almost like a transition from the Stone Age to the modern world; with determination we forged our lives and came out victorious. (pages 9-10) Domnic loves nature and the relationship of people of his generation to that nature and he regrets its disappearance not only in real life-I think here of John Mayall's song Nature's Disappearing-but also in the awareness of the present generation. He is not opposed to progress but points out that the past runs through the present. There was technological progress in the past too, but being slower it did not sever the relationship with nature. Yet cyber-space need not erase the past, as shown by the opening paragraph of chapter 27, Cine theatres over the years: Coming up in cyberspace, a recent listing played a flashback of sorts in my memory. It reminded me of cine-theatres of the yesteryears that drew crowds in and around Mapusa. There were quite a few across Bardez. In fact, Domnic says that his essays began on the internet and he subsequently received requests from Goans around the globe to bring out a book. The chapters are triggered by Domnic's memory of growing up in Goa but he explores and extends his experience. For example, he says: Today, people wake up to the musical sounds of an alarm clock, a mobile-phone or even set a television wake-up. In the past, they woke up to the rooster's call or at the chirping of birds at dawn. Sounds produced by various animals brought joy to the ears and were considered entertainment of sorts. Whenever the wind blew and tree branches and palm leaves swayed, people admired and considered it to be nature's wonder. People watched the rivers flow and thanked the Creator. They went to the seashores and spent hours watching the vast ocean before their eyes. They quietly appreciated the waves which formed in the sea and broke upon the shores splashing tons of water which traveled as far as possible up the shore. This too was a form of entertainment.. We are told that the origin of music possibly stems from natural sounds and rhythms: the human heartbeat, the songs of birds the rustling of wind through the trees, the thunder and sound of rain, the dripping of water in a cave, the crackle of a burning fire and the sounds of waves breaking on a beach or bubbles in a brook. It is most likely that the first musical instrument was the human voice itself. One's voice can make a vast array of sounds, from singing, humming and whistling (some of these being the more musical forms) through to clicking, coughing and yawning (less musical). It is also likely the first instruments were percussion instruments, the clapping of hands, stones hit against one another, or things that are whatever else was useful to create rhythm. (5-6) Domnic describes food; fruit (see the brilliant chapter, Goa's guest from Brazil: the cashew); travel; religion (inevitably including St. Francis Xavier); music; liquor (and its role in the community); the making and use of wells (the water
[Goanet] Goanet Reader: These are home-grown terrorists... for whom wrong means no punishment (George Menezes)
THESE ARE HOME-GROWN TERRORISTS ... FOR WHOM WRONG MEANS NO PUNISHMENT By George Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I haven't slept well these many months. I am sure a lot of Indians of different faiths who love this country and its Constitution and are committed to the rights of all Indians, must have lost some sleep at the least, watching an unbelievable madness unfolding across the length and breadth of India, slowly overtaking this country and destroying it piece by piece through acts of unbridled terrorism. I love my country. My parents and siblings suffered a lot during the freedom movement to liberate Goa from Portuguese colonial rule. I gave many years of my youth serving the Indian Air Force during the Chinese and Pakistan wars. I chose to be a Christian and am proud to be one. I belong to an extended family that that includes Hindus and stretches across Europe and the USA, embracing several faiths including some who are agnostics and some atheists. I am totally against conversion by force, fraud or inducement. But, let me say, as loudly as I can, that I practice my faith, bring the good news to those will hear it and give witness to the teachings of Jesus. In this great country that I am proud of there are no laws that prevent me from doing so. It can happen, of course, in some States. I may make a reference to the Bible and Jesus in one of my management seminars to illustrate a managerial concept and find some member off a fringe group getting me arrested for trying to convert participants of other faiths. That is not what causes me sleepless nights. Today, the country's madness is the result of many factors. There is a total absence of governance, both in the States and shamefully, and specifically, at the Centre. There is a lack of political and bureaucratic leadership which I equate with statesmanship. There is no decision-making, whatsoever, because both politicians and bureaucrats are driven by one vision, and that is the next election. And any decision, if it is taken at all is in every case connected with Vote banks. There is a total breakdown of law and order. Mobs are calling the shots while government's look on in pathetic silence. One would think that all those who have been elected to positions of power have been elected on tickets reserved for the disabled and the challenged. Let us look at the scenario. * A doctor makes a wrong diagnosis, and within minutes the patient's relatives and jobless goons attack the doctors and nurses and damage the hospital. * A teacher is alleged to have made a pass at a female student. From nowhere a mob arrives and beats up the teacher to pulp. * A petty Government employee is accused of falsifying signatures for distribution of relief to a village affected by floods. A whole village turns up and beats the official to death. * Laid off workers, 200 in number, who have been restricted by the Courts from assembling near a factory, barge into the premises and lynch the CEO. Five policemen from a station next door arrive an hour too late. * A young man with a valid driving license and in a sober condition brushes against a cyclist and knocks him down. Within minutes an idle crowd of onlookers beat up the car driver while a policeman looks on. * The principal of a prestigious college decides to postpone elections to the students council. A fringe group of students led by a local fundamentalist leader blacken his face and abuse him physically till he dies. All this front of cameras, faculty and administration members, with the guardians of law and order who haven't had time to watch horror movies, watch the murderous assault with cynical amusement. When are all the wonderful, peace loving, law abiding people of India rise up and demand that politicians of all hues and colours quit if they are able to uphold the provisions of the Constitution which they swore to up hold when they came into power? If murderous mobs are not stopped in their tracks and their leaders convicted we shall have a continuation of atrocities against soft helpless targets like Muslims, Christians, Dalits. And, in fact, against 'the other Hindus'. Writers, artists, theatre and screen personalities and believe it or not, any person from another region who does not fit into the myopic vision of petty dictators. Open the daily newspapers and you discover that a large number of rapes are attributed to members of the Police force. There is hardly any illegal activity that is not abetted by either law makers or guardians of our laws. These are all terrorists and in my personal opinion, as damaging to the India's carefully woven fabric of constitutional, secular democracy that guarantees rule of law and the upholding of human rights, as terrorists who use cycles and trains to wreck havoc on innocent people.
Re: [Goanet] Bevinda Colaco's interesting take on secularism
May I say that these views seem biased against the position of a monotheistic religion, even though I do not subscribe to one. 2008/10/3 Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I guess it depends on how they ask questions. But I don't see why they will because I will not question them on theirs, I said. Are you truly grounded in your faith? he asked. I am as grounded as you are in yours, I said shortly. Secularism (at least in the Indian context which we have come to commonly accept here) doesn't mean that one can't have religious views or a religious identity. Our is not an atheist State, but one which recognises the plurality of the religions of its citizens. The problem comes when Indianness is equated with religion (or, more specifically, the origin of that religion)! Would you be able to take criticism of your religion from anyone of a different denomination? he asked. I don't think he would like to take my criticism of his religion, I said. While the ability to take criticism is today promoted as a virtue, the fact is that certain religions are loose in what they accept (one can be a Hindu and atheist at the same time), while others define the 'acceptable' in more stark terms. I think it is bigoted to see one type of religions as superior to the other. This is just how they evolved. Do we accept such differences? Why not, he said, If you are truly secular you should learn about the other's religion and of course ask them questions about it. Learning about someone else's religion is not something that can be thrust on me. This is an attitude that smacks of intolerance (and perhaps majoritarianism). What we need is tolerance to one another, specially at times like these. Suppose one of them is from your religion; will you give the job to him or one of the other two from different religions, he asked. Obviously I will help my own, I said, what has that got to do with secularism? I might also offer a job to someone from my religious group, my taluka, my State, my gender, my geography, my sub-continent ... depending on these circumstances. Does this make me a bigot? Or, to use the term here, pseudo-secularist? Do you ever question the tenets of your own religion? he asked. Some religions allow for more questioning, others don't. As the Pope is wont to say, there is no cafetariat Catholicism. (Apologies if this term came from someone else other than the Pope.) To be secular doesn't mean questioning the tenets of your own religion. If you have a maid servant in your employ, who is new to the place and needs to go to a temple, will you take her to the temple? he asked. Or will you make some excuse and hint that it is better if she stays at home? If I had a maid servant at home, I would probably not bother to take her to the market, to the village library or to the hairdresser's. This reflects just my smug middle-class approach. It has nothing with me being a pseudo secularist. She ought to be able to find her own way to the place she needs to! Come on, who's employing whom here? You could call me selfish and uncaring. Nothing more! If you have guardianship of a small child from a different religion, would you teach him your religion or would you teach him his? he asked. Well, I teach my own kids about other religions. Both my kids thing Ganesh is a fun-guy and Chaturthi is a lovely festival. Does that make me enlightened or secular? I hardly think so... now who is someone to go about defining such religiosity-based secularism? Is this just another attempt at shifting the agenda? If your son or daughter wants to marry someone from a different faith, would you agree wholeheartedly? he asked. As Goans have migrated to the globe, they've had problems with their sons and daughters marrying people of another country, another colour, another class. Why that? We in Goa had even had problems with our sons and daughters marring people from another caste! What is this attempt at placing at centrestage religion if it's the only identity we have? It's normal for people to want to be with their own. However insufficiently own gets defined. No need to attempt to build a complex over this. Times are changing. Inter-community marriages are taking place. The Catholic Church accepts these (with some proviso about the faith of the resultant kids). I hardly think this is cause to say the Church is liberal or progressive. It's just changing its rules to meet the needs of the day. If you neighbour asked your advice about selling his house or apartment to someone from the minority community, would you encourage him to sell to the individual? he asked. There are places where Muslims find it difficult to buy/rent homes in parts of India. If the fathers of pseudo-secularism had their way, they'd like the Goan Catholic to take a similarly enlightened approach to Muslims in Goa too, instead of letting the market decide its own rules. Now, could someone please give us a column on
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - II
Mario Goveia wrote? a) It was not Republicans who opposed the bill to begin with but the 95 of Mervyn's Democrat friends who voted against the bill who caused it to be voted down, when they neede only 12 more of them to pass the bill. b) Since the bill was voted down how could Bush 43 have done what Mervyn alleged in his previous comment?? This guy has no idea what he is talking about. Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:42:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, I agree George (43) Bush has no idea what he is talking about. Mario responds: Only you can say you agree with someone who has shown that you have no idea what you are talking about, making my point all over again. Mervyn wrote: There is a saying in Kenya: Chombo cha kuzama hakina usukani.? = A sinking vessel needs no navigation. Mario responds: We can see this Kenyan saying quite clearly in your rudderless posts.
[Goanet] song with mog
Hi guys hope you'll will like this one SURYA NOKETRANCHE PORIM 1. Surya noketranche porim porzolleta Mogachea mhojea anjea. Tum 'bemfeit' mhunnun mannka. 'Adorar (u) kortam tuka. ch. Io Io, gopantulea anjea Ekuch punn beij(u) dhi re mhaka. 2. Alambrad(u) tuje pole, mogreanche kolle Distal motianch'zodde Jiigjigetai mhoje dolle Kalliz lobdol're tuje kodde. ch Io, io, gopantulea anjea. 3. Tirxe, garxe tuje dolle, bigbigtai polle Bhultai sogle chole Axeun rautam zon'lakodde Dixtti pottol' mhunn bainkodde. ch. Io, io, gopantulea anjea.. mog from jjandson
Re: [Goanet] What To Do In Falling Markets - Off topic
Mario Goveia wrote: Anyone who reads the newspapers and internet websites knows what is going on in the US and the world, and many of them know why. For unbiased business information read the Wall Street Journal, Investors Business Daily or Bloomberg. Mario, 1) I fund it embarrassing that you do not have the power to fight anymore. 2) If you want to read WSJ articles, how about this one? http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB122282690823092989-lMyQjAxMDI4MjAyMzgwMjM2Wj.html Mervyn D'thru Lobo __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (04Oct08)
At the RP2021 Task Force Office: Don't worry Mrs. Fernandes...I'll Read the Plan to Mr. Alemao..that he can't convert Paddy Fields into Football Fields... To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Ban on Smoking in Public Places
A ban on Spitting, Urinating or Defecating in Public just cannot happen in this sub-Continent. The reason, it is part of the Custom/Culture. Even the rulers and Law enforcers follow this culture. We Goans are too accustomed to our European Culture and feel nauseated at somebody else’s culture. Very soon our Goans too will learn the culture, if some have already not. anesimo56 at aim.com wrote : Fri Oct 3 10:54:40 PDT 2008 Dear Goanet Readers?What about ban on Spitting, Urinating? and Defecating in Public??More than Smoking, these are the biggest public health hazards in India.CheersAnesimo_ Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Searching for weekend getaways? Try Live.com http://www.live.com/?scope=videoform=MICOAL
Re: [Goanet] Lornas New Album - Dennem
Dear Edward, I fully agree. There are Goan Associations throughout the world who should be rendering such service to Goan artistes. Singers, songwriters, authors, painters and so many others. After all, are such associations meant only to promote grand dances ? I would like to meet you when to make a trip to Canada. You are welcome here. Roland. On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Roland, I am also out of Goa...in Saudi Arabia...whenever my Goan friends go on vacation I request them to buy the new CD's for me. Goans in UK/Canada can also check out whose currently travelling to Goa and request the same. The Goan Associations worldwide should also make an attempt to import Konkani Music and then sell them to Goans in respective countries. This can help our Goan artistes to some extent. Dev borem Korum Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/Saudi Arabia From: Roland Franci The least I can do is buy her album. Please tell me how I can get it. Regards, Roland. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Music House Productions presents Lornas new Album DENNEM'.. Once again Lorna is at her best and all songs are good in this album. I would recommend all Konkani lovers to buy this CD which is available in Goa/Mumbai... Eddie -- Roland Francis Toronto +1 (416) 453.3371
[Goanet] India's outsourcing bubble is bursting
India's outsourcing bubble is bursting By Saritha Rai, silicon.com Bangalore, India--Once a high-flying tech hub, Bangalore is seeing more sober days in the wake of the credit crisis. It looks like the global economic turmoil and the dramatic Wall Street meltdown is beginning to hit Bangalore. Until recently, in India's outsourcing hub it used to be one big Googlefest, with all the pampering and cosseting that employees enjoy at the company's Googleplex headquarters in Silicon Valley. I don't know what the latest from Googleplex is. But in Bangalore, it sure looks like the party is slowing down. The first sign is in real estate. In a city where residential communities like Silver Manor, Golden Enclave and Platinum City sprouted to house thousands of young, upwardly mobile technology workers, instead of 200 million-rupee homes, developers are now beginning to market 2 million-rupee condominiums. Departmental stores sport 'sale' signs every other week as credit-card-happy tech workers are cooling off consumption. In India's top management schools, including the Bangalore branch of the Indian Institute of Management, technology outsourcing firms, multinationals and Wall Street banks used to slug it out for Day Zero spots during Placement Week. For students in the graduating class, that exercise is months away. But the schools are already planning to offset an expected slowdown in placements by inviting more companies. http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-238208.html Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org
[Goanet] Shantatayeche Fatodd heralds imparting secular values in education
3rd October, 2008 Shantatayeche Fantodd heralds imparting secular values in education Poets from different walks of life and different parts of Goa today expressed through poetry their anguish about growing communalism in Goa and the need to herald peace, at Shantateyeche Fatodd (The Dawn of Peace) organized by Citizens' Initiatives for Communal Harmony on the occasion of Gandhi Jayanti at Gomantak Sahitya Sewak Mandal Hall at Panaji. The multilingual and multicultural context of Goan society came alive in the poets meet. Poets Pandarinath Lotlikar, Ramesh Veluskar, Ashok Chodancar, Gulab Vernenkar, John Aguiar, Pravin Sabnis recited their poems Umedichi Fantodd, Diki dhaim, Niswarthi Deshmogi Ami, Sukhshantikhatir, Tumkam zalam tari kitem, Ram on Our Side and nameless poems, questioning the discrimination prevalent in society on various communal lines and putting forth a vision of peace for which seeds need to be sown. Cartoonist Alexyz recited a few couplets illustrated by his cartoons in his recently published book Goa…Goaing…Gone particularly challenging caste-based communalism. School children Malaika Kamat and Gayle Pinto recited poems proclaiming peace and challenging communalization of society titled Peace and I Need to Look into Your Eyes Again. Collegians Siddhi Pai and Neville Rodrigues recited a poem titled Atankvad and Love and Peace in Hindi and English respectively. College lecturer Ms. Alice Barneto read and interpreted a poem from an anthology of Indian English poets titled from: The Lord's prayer, saying that the Gods must come to us and witness their presence in the search for peace rather than people hankering for God. A lively discussion followed on what are the ways to peace. All participants unanimously felt strongly about the need for consciously fostering secular values through the education system. Discussing about communalization of Goan society, some of the issues that came to the fore were identity-superiority- based politics, the fear factor, terrorism by the custodians of power, power brokers thriving on divisive politics. It was concluded that these dialogues must continue in the efforts towards engaging with each other and fostering secularism in society. (Ramesh Gauns) (Albertina Almeida) Convenors, Citizens' Initiatives for Communal Harmony -- (M) 9326137682 To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe. - Anatole France
[Goanet] Dubious distinction
Disputed industrial projects in India http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/quickiearticleshow/msid-3557713.cms Goa SEZ Goa, famous for its beaches and tourist industry, in January dropped plans to build special economic zones for industry after protests from political and environmental groups.
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Goanet and other Goan related websites
2008/10/2 Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a): Herman has changed the subject line ...and made wild allegations which he will find difficult to substantiate if I sit and dig out the archives of Goanet. (b) THREE out of FOUR Moderators . have resorted to extremism already == Dears (as Miguel would say), We have had enough kestavam about this. Time for some resolution. Let's start by taking a break from this circular bobatt. My suggestions: 1: Herman deserves some slack. He is not a regular poster. 2: I am yet to be convinced that Bosco and Frederick have resorted to any form of extremism. Let's not be extreme in our condemnation of something which really may NOT be minimally extreme. 3: Those among us who have demonstrated Fairness, Moderation and the Capacity for moderation, please stand up and offer yourself for this Thankless Job. It would be nice to see how brilliantly this CHANGE works. Let's cut the pronouncements - Let the Pudding provide the Proof. 4: Until that time appears, I intend to THANK the present moderators for the onerous task they have at hand. I know that they are NOT perfect. Neither am I. The perfect man or woman may wish to rise up and draw our attention. Please provide proof of your perfection - or you may be ignored. 5: Surely - the moderators may wish to take heed of the criticism (some of which is good and some in the territory of bitter outlandishness) Not being in the manufacturing business, I will happily provide proof of this. 6: I OPPOSE this ganging up on the moderators. 7: I also oppose this impossible imposition on them that They should provide reasons and sign ALL rejection notices. 8: Anyone who disagrees MUST be their employer. Please advise me of the salaries you are paying them. 9: NOW ...let's be sensible Let's try work this out One Step at a Time ...but NOT by Coercion or Abuse. Let's understand that the moderators will make mistakes like you and I do. They ALSO have a life and work besides GoaNet. 10: Above all .Let's beware of the Matlabis - the guys with an agenda - be it communal, commie or plain anarchist. just my view jc ps: As advised earlier ...I will be taking a writing on the forums break for 12 weeks as of today Oct 2, 2008 aka Gandhi Jayanti.. I have other, personally important, writing work at hand and travel plans during which I plan to have fun with happy Goans. Do excuse any typos in this post.
[Goanet] DNA - Mumbai - Meet Mumbai's Piper at the gates of truth - Daily News Analysis
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1195367pageid=3 For your information. rubygoes
[Goanet] Civic reforms needed. Raise the bar. What 'Incredible' India ITO?
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1195318pageid=2 Yes, they're out of their seats and at cabin lockers retrieving their bags during the landing. Seen it with my own eyes. The hostie intervened. The writer has adequately stated the horrors of getting about on the Subcontinent. Maybe that's why I've given Goa a miss these last 2 years. Recent terrorism activity is another deterrent to TRAVEL IN INDIA. Bad news for all of us. Wouldn't mind a drive to Vagator, Madam Sosa with no ice but cold soda and lots of lime juice and Konkani radio. Au revoir. rubygoes (non resident Goan)
[Goanet] For Goan Catholics - and their friends
This information is for Catholics only. It must not be divulged to non-Catholics. The less they know about our rituals and code words, the better off they are. AMEN: The only part of a prayer that everyone knows. BULLETIN: Your receipt for attending Mass. CHOIR: A group of people whose singing allows the rest of the Parish to lip-sync. HOLY WATER: A liquid whose chemical formula is H2OLY. HYMN: A song of praise usually sung in a key three octaves higher than that of the congregation's range. RECESSIONAL HYMN: The last song at Mass often sung a little more quietly, since most of the people have already left. INCENSE: Holy Smoke! JESUITS: An order of priests known for their ability to find colleges with good basketball teams. JONAH: The original 'Jaws' story. JUSTICE: When kids have kids of their own. KYRIE ELEISON: The only Greek words that most Catholics can recognize besides gyros and baklava. (For you non-Catholics it means Lord have mercy.) MAGI: The most famous trio to attend a baby shower. MANGER: Where Mary gave birth to Jesus because Joseph wasn't covered by an HMO. (The Bible's way of showing us that holiday travel has always been rough.) PEW: A medieval torture device still found in Catholic churches. PROCESSION: The ceremonial formation at the beginning of Mass consisting of altar servers , the celebrant, and late parishioners looking for seats. RECESSIONAL: The ceremonial procession at the conclusion of Mass led by parishioners trying to beat the crowd to the parking lot. RELICS: People who have been going to Mass for so long, they actually know when to sit, kneel, and stand.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Moderation
For reasons unknown (???), this poster has potrayed my text as his own in this thread: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/081418.html --- On Wed, 10/1/08, Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at gmail.com wrote: Santosh Helekar had a message rejected recently (as he disclosed) and he has concluded who the moderator was. However he fails to mention that he was provided an explanation in the rejection note This is just an illustration of how some messages to Goanet are being used to twist the truth against Goanet's moderators/moderation. Any implication above that I twisted the truth is false. RESPONSE: TRUE!! There are no implications just your messages to Goanet to go by. Regarding what the rejection message said, it asked me to send my questions to the Goanet moderators. Since it was one of the moderators himself who was telling me this, without actually answering my questions, I did not want to insult his intelligence and mine any further by emailing the same questions back to him. RESPONSE: FALSE!! The moderator did the right thing and asked the poster to direct his questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . All other gratuituous comments above are ignored. Goanet Admin is happy to respond as best we can to any queries raised by Goanetters. The 3-4 gentlemen who have persistently tried to tie us up with endless emails (that has included abuse) will NOT get any response or explanations. I will re-state myself - Santosh Helekar is not one of the 3-4 gentlemen i refer to. - Bosco Goanet Admin http://www.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Moderation
Mervyn, I dont know what you mean when you say 'real time'. 1. Nobody, repeat nobody, on Goanet is on unmoderated post. 2. If a moderator is online when someone posts, and is moderating at that time, chances are that an uncomplicated post will go through almost instantaneously Considering everything [1] else you have said is true for a blind moment, I have one question, one piece of information and one request of you. Please oblige. Question: Are you implying that you do not write to Goanet to antagonize and provoke fellow Goanetters?? Information: If you were antagonized by a 'poisonous post', it does not necessarily mean you reply in an even more 'poisonous' response albeit I'm not certain how we would measure 'poisonous'. The Rules clearly state you can bring your grievance to the attention of Goanet Admin or please see Request. Request: When you see a poster use foul language or is often writing provoking posts, please respond to the person publicly and tell him politely what you think of his post. As I said in my first message, the easiest thing to do is blame the moderators; dont fall for that. Be a part of the solution of dealing with such posters who are here not in the interests of the community at large. - Three days in October and we have over 170 messages in the archives - We receive approx 500 messages each day including SPAM - Moderators have to read all messages before acting on them It takes a fair amount of time for the 7 people who help moderate Goanet at different times during the day/week as and when time permits. There is plenty of work to be done. I am getting off this carousel as I think we have afforded adequate time to this issue and we can move on. We always appreciate feedback from Goanetters. For those that want to continue discussing this issue with Goanet Admin or want to provide any feedback, please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you again, Mervyn. - Bosco Goanet Admin http://www.goanet.org Ref [1] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-October/081424.html
[Goanet] SONG WITH MOG - Thank you Jane
From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mogall Agnelo, Last month or so I posted the following site on GoanetCheck this out http://www.songs-from-goa.at/goa/ Most of the Mandosdekhnis available on this site with the SOLFAM.. From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] SONG WITH MOG - Thank you Jane here is the song.. http://ishare.rediff.com/filemusic-Noman-tuka-Goa-id-56543.php [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I'd like to thank JoeGoaUK for sending me the link to the song, which I used to note down the lyrics. I'd like to thank Edward Verdes for reminding me of the website where I can avail of these favourite oldies but surely goldies. I'd like to thank Jane for her offer of help in sending me the lyrics when she would find them. Jane, I appreciate your offer, and thank you for the same. Want to compile sets of Konkani Songs in the Waltz Jive Tempo to use at Goan functions. It is true we can dance to our very own Konkani music. Viva re Viva, Viva Goa...(2) Viva maru-ia, Caju fenny gheun Konkani-chi ani Goemkaramchi saude koruia Deu Borem Korum soggleank tumkam. Agnelo Fernandes
[Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation
Dear Dr. Barad, DATE ... the day, month and year . is a chronological reference point. We all know that due to the differences in the Gregorian and Julian calendars, the Great October Revolution of Russia is actually on the 7th of November for the rest of the world! September should have been the 7th month of the year ... but is actually the 9th month. So is it with October, November and December ...all 2 months out of line! Yes, you are right. Jesus of Nazereth was born in Bethlehem in 4 B.C. as per many historians. The date was fixed as wrongly as the birth certificates of many a non-Catholic in rural Goa till a few years ago when registration of birth became cumpolsory. the Catholics had the Baptism records to give the date of birth, give or take a few days. The person of Jesus is not as important for chronology as he is for religion. Ditto for Hijira. I was shocked to learn that the Saka calender was of the Scythian [Saka] era and not anything to do with native Indian event. It was my belief that the Saka era was based on the Indian mythology and hence the fascination of the Government in using it pararllel with the AD/BC era. If people feel more comfortable with CE/BCE, so be it. Some time back some friends of mine were promoting BP and AP ... Before Present and After Present. Then they hit a landmine ...the Present keeps shifting! ;-( CE and BCE may be better from a secular perspective ... if someone can universalize it while Christians still hold the power and purse strings of the world. There is a decline now but ...who has seen Tommorow? Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:14:36 +0530 From: Dr. U. G. Barad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] CE/BCE or AD/BC dating notation Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was taken by surprise when one friend challenged me saying CE/BCE is no more defined as was before?. He continued saying CE now stands for Common Era. CE and AD have the same and value.2004 CE = 2004 AD. The word common simply means that it is based on the most frequently used calendar system: the Gregorian calendar. BCE stands for Before the common era. It is expected to eventually replace BC, which means Before Christ, BC and BCE are also identical in value. Most theologians and religious historians believe that the approximate birth date of Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus) was sometime between 7 and 4 BCE, although we have seen estimates as late as 4 CE and as early as the second century BCE.? My question to Goanet members is: Why is this change brought about? Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
