[Goanet] Daily Grook #304
DAILY GROOK #304 __ SPOKE JOKE __ by Francis Rodrigues (idea sent in by I.G.) bicycles all sleep eight hours required, but never count sheep being just too tired! _ puns & word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php _
[Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Bosco D'Mello:As a first-generation American at a very early age, it is possible that one is not aware of the extent of the activities of the VHP 'back home'. Response: Are you suggesting that she became a member and office bearer of an organisation without knowing its constitution and the ideology it stands for? Are you suggesting that as a fund raiser, she did not know for what purposes the funds were being used ? Are you suggesting that she was totally ignorant about the activities of the VHP despite the media publicity? Bosco D'Mello: Perhaps Sonal Shah should be judged by her work going forward rather than her associations of the past. Response: Should we offer the same privilege to Narendra Modi too? What about Dawood Ibrahim and sundry others? Bosco D'Mello:Perhaps we are far too obsessed with this story and forgetting issues closer to home. Response: Bosco, I think you are missing the link between the VHPA and VHP back home. The one which is in the limelight for its terror activities against minorities, the latest in Orissa, Mangalore and elsewhere. The funding of this organisation primarily comes from the expats in the USA and UK. Back in Goa, the HJS and SS, off-shoots of the VHP are in the forefront of creating communal discord. eg: FACT exhibition, protest against screening of M F Hussain's documentary at the IFFI. There are several links in the chain. Let us not become blind and complacent. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Goa mutations & Form I & XIV (part IV)
Goa mutations & Form I & XIV (part IV) After knowing that my file is now pending with their Sir ‘Mamladtar’ I paid a visit to this Sir. First visit, he was not there. So, another trip and this time I catch hold of one Jt. Mamlatdar.(Jt.M) Manekar - I understand that my file is now pending on your desk for more than one month now.. Jt.M: May be, we are too busy now a days. - But my case is pending for nearly one year now.. JT.M: You lucky, there are cases pending here even for over 2 years - That’s not very nice to say – ‘It’s simply not fair to give us hardship in visiting your office only for chasing the cases’ Jt.M: You have to understand our problems. - So, what you say now? How much more time you think it will take? Jt.M: Wait until end of January 2009…and call back in February - How come your office never contact us over the phone or by mails informing us about the status or the progress of our cases and thus saving our time visiting you unnecessarily Jt.M: We don’t have time to do that either. JoeGoaUk adds: I think, just because they are Malatdars, they think they can talk any rubbish. At no stage the Jt.M shown any concern to the problems faced by the citizens. He say come and try during February 2009 and I am sure he will then say ‘we are busy with the forthcoming parliamentary elections (April/May) and the process of which could take till July 2009. Don’t understand why it take him such a long time. The main hurdles in the case already passed through like Village Talathi Report, Issuing postal notices to all parties concerned, then news paper advertisement/notices, Circle Inspector report etc etc. Plus the money paid as bribe about 1000 in total to Talathi, TOM & CI. I am sure, if I had paid to the Jt.M (say another 1000) he would have taken my case up finding some time in his so called busy schedule. Welcome to Goa Raj 'Choramchem Raj'. Prev. Part !, II & III http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/084732.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] DRP2021: Your Opportunity to Act-By Blaise Costabir
Dear Jen, Blaise Costa Bir is no stranger to me. His wife is the sister of Alfred DeSouza from Saligao [Alfy, to friends], who died at Blaise's house two years ago. Blaise officially represented GCCI for part of the term of the Task Force [TF] on RP 2021. How many meetings/sittings he atended and for what period of the three-days long, boring sittings, I do not know. He does not state that either. The minutes of the Task Force up to 31 March, 2008, records the attendance at each sitting, but not even that is day wise. The representative appointed by the Government from GBA roped in Patricia Pinto and Ritu Prasad to share the boredom so he could attend to his patients. It overwhelmed them even before the Solar eclipse of 01 August, 2008. [Read the newspapers of 02 August, 2008 for all types of details, most of them untrue or inaccurate.] In any case, I would wholeheartedly endorse his view that EVERY RESIDENT OF GOA, Blaise Cost Bir included, should read the RP 2021 document released by the Task Force on 22 September, 2008, approved at the 133 meeting of the TCP Board on 29 September, notified on 08 October, published in the Official Gazete on 16 October, released to the Village Panchayats on 22 November and explained to the Village Panchayat members by TLTTs at Taluka level between 01 and 07 December, 2008. The Goa Bachao Abhiyan [GBA], that Blaise praises without naming, is conducting awareness meetings at the request of the people who want to understand the VILLAGE MAPS that the Task Force has created only up to the Taluka level. They are bad enough. The TCP has further fiddled with the village maps. Today, Sukhad Keshkamat from Nuvem has exposed what tricks have been played by the TCP and NHAI on Blaise's home village of Verna. Perhaps, Blaise would like to explain the TF's view to the villagers in Verna. The TCP team lacks the courage to do that. My friend, Soter De Souza, Director of the Centre for Panchayati Raj made a 25 minutes presentation before the Task Force in my presence. Blaise was not there. Soter presented Edgar Ribeiro with a copy of his presentation on a CD. The Interim Report and the DRP 2021 record three sentences as minutes thereof. There is no mention of Article 243 ZD of the Constitution of India, the main trust of Soter's presentation. Perhaps, Blaise will care to ask the TCP Dept.[Deputy Town Planner Vinod Kumar is in charge of the DRP 2021 cell now]for the audio recording of Soter's presentation on 23 November, 2007. Blaise might have missed the flat, table-top microphone. We have not. The DRP 2021 have two major bypass roads from Usgao to Balli [near Cuncolim] and to Karaswada in Mapusa. The road land acquisition width is 30 metres. Each bypass is about 60 km long. "The Draft RP 2021 also has not converted a square inch of land." says Blaise. He is right. The Task Force has used the METRIC system of measurement, not the British FPS [Foot, Pound, Second] system!! "Awake dear friend, you have a lot at stake YOUR FUTURE." writes Blaise. I hope he will do the same in his village or in Fatorda, where he lives. If he needs help, he can consult Architect Dean D'Cruz, who has been a member of the Task Force and is now aghast to see how ther TCP has deceived them all. Even the forest on the hill above his house has been shown as Pilerne Industrial Estate Phase -II. Blaise may well wake up to learn that he has been cooking his own goose ...unawares! Jen, why not invite Blaise Costa Bir for the Institute of Engineers [India] Goa chapter interaction with Senior Town Planner, Mr. S.T. Puttaraju [former Nodal Officer of the Task Force] on 16 December, 2008. Blaise lives close by to the venue of the meeting and cocktails. He could be the Guest of Honour . and do the honours of defending the DRP 2021 there. I am sure Mr. S.T. Puttaraju would be happy to have some support. The IEI will also have a resource person in case Mr. Puttaraju develops cold feet or flew Oooops! I mean 'flu. ;-) Mog asundi Miguel Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Jen Lewis Subject: [Goanet] DRP2021: Your Opportunity to Act-By Blaise Costabir Message-ID: <768753.82760...@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> DRP2021: Your Opportunity to Act By Blaise Costabir(received by email) The idea behind this article is to motivate as many to read the actual text and having read it, to make comments, suggestions and objections to the TCP Department. It in no way will attempt to be a synopsis of the actual document. The RP task force was formed against a backdrop of the most successful people's movement in recent times. Hence any group, starting a new exercise to frame the RP for Goa would have the people's aspirations in front of them. The TF attempted to keep minutes but to my mind an impossible task. My suggestion for future such exercises would be to video record every meeting for posterity. The reconciled maps were then cross che
[Goanet] Herald Cartoon
Sunday Herald (Dec.14 ) cartoon by Idhar Uddhar is simply brilliant. It shows Bal and Raj of Shiv Sena in an I.C.U. unit of a hospital . A doctor is heard saying to his assistant: ''' Two great leaders are still under ( terror ) trauma and cannot utter a word. Pakistan is very lucky. '''
[Goanet] Romi Konknni programme at Merces
http://www.goa-world.com All About Goa & Goans Worldwide GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (Since 1994) - Presented by Ulysses Menezes & Moderated by Gaspar Almeida. Romi Konknni programme at Merces HERALD NEWS DESK PANJIM, DEC 13 Goykaranchi Konkani Bhas, Songit, Kala ani Sonskrutai Kendr Merces will hold day-long Konkani programe on December 14 at Merces Church premises at 6.30 pm. The association will hold a variety of Konkani programes for Konkani lovers for all ages under the name: Hiliil KONKNNI MOUJECHI SANZ. The show is an effort to prepare the ground for the ‘Poilem Konknni (Romi Lipi) Sahitya ani Sonvskruti Sommelon’ to be held at Margao on December 20 and 21. Goa-World http://www.goa-world.com The First Online Konkani Music Station - Started on March 14, 2000 http://www.live365.com/stations/61664 Konkani Video on You Tube http://www.youtube.com/uly334 Gulf Goans Mailing List email: gulf-goans-subscr...@yahoogroups.com The First e-Newsletter for the Goans in the Gulf region and beyond Mahableshwar http://www.mahableshwar.com St. Mary's High School - Mt Abu, Rajasthan India http://www.abusms.com The Goan Forum - http://www.colaco.net Promoting Tiatr, Tiatrists, Kantorists, Musicians and Konkani Literature http://www.goa-world.com/goa/konkani KEEP IN TOUCH WITH GOA THROUGH THE PRINT MEDIA V-IXTT http://www.v-ixtt.com GULAB http://www.gulabonline.com O'HERALDO http://www.oheraldo.in THE NAVHIND TIMES http://www.navhindtimes.com GOA TODAY GOMANTAK TIMES THE GOAN REVIEW TIMES OF INDIA, GOA EDITION http://www.timesofindia.com COLLECTION OF KONKANI POEMS OF LINO B. DOURADO http://www.goa-world.com/goa/poems/ REMINISCENCES OF MY GOAN YOUTH http://goasudharop.org/docs/ebook/content.htm http://www.daaiz.com http://www.mangalorean.com http://www.daijiworld.com
[Goanet] PRAVASI BHARATIYA DIVAS 2009, JANUARY 7-9, 2009 - UPDATE
Parvasi Bharatiya Divas (PBD) is the annual flagship event of the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs (MOIA) which aims to connect more 25 Million Indians with India's Economic and Social development. The Ministry is organizing Seventh edition of the PBD on 7-9 January, 2009 in Chennai, the South Indian city in Tamilnadu. The role of overseas Indians in the country's emergence as a global power will be the main theme. The event will be inaugurated by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Pratibha Patil will address the concluding session of the three-day meet. During the annual meet, the Diaspora's role in India's emergence as a global power will be the focus of deliberations. The congregation of Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) and Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) will also dwell upon aspects like preservation of language and culture and health concerns of Indian Diaspora. Regional working sessions of the Diaspora residing in the Gulf, Asia-Pacific, Africa, USA, Europe, Caribbean and Canada will be organized. A special trade and industry exhibition during the event with corporate, state governments, NGOs and financial institutions as participants will also be held as part of the convention, an official statement said. Early this year, more than 1,500 participants from 50 countries had attended the PBD 2008 meet. PRAVASI BHARATIYA DIVAS 2009 January 7-9, 2009 THEME - ENGAGING THE INDIAN DIASPORA - The way Forward The seventh PBD is also projected as a platform where issues of social concern of regional diaspora groups could be discussed in details. There will be parallel sessions of different regions - such as Gulf and the Middle East, Asia Pacific, Africa, USA etc - where there is significant Indian presence. The Indian Diaspora estimated at over 25 million is rapidly scaling up its professional achievements, income levels, and influence. The role of the Diaspora extends beyond its country of residence to the country of origin, and to building strong linkages between the two and the rest of the world. The emergence of India as a world power would also depend in considerable measure on the contributions of the Diaspora and its role in global affairs. PBD 09 seeks to identify ways in which the Diaspora can partner in India's development. How can the Diaspora and India build synergy for mutually beneficial ventures? This session will evolve ways to help deepen and strengthen the Diaspora engagement within itself, with India, and with the rest of the world to become a potent force in shaping India's emerging role on the world stage. Overview The annual Pravasi Bharatiya Divas Convention provides a much needed platform to the Overseas Indian Community for exchange of views on ways and means to fulfill their aspirations and expectations from the land of their ancestors. It also provides opportunities for exploring mutually beneficial trade & business relationships and for networking among the community. Celebration of the day every year symbolizes the continued interest of the government of India in the progress and well-being of the Overseas Indian Community. The formation of a separate Ministry to look into the affairs of Overseas Indians has sent across a positive signal vis-a-vis the importance India attaches to its diaspora. Various steps taken by the Ministry have further strengthened the already strong traditional cultural ties of the togetherness that the Indian Community has with the land of their forefathers. The 7th Pravasi Bharatiya Divas (PBD) Convention is scheduled to be held at the Chennai Trade Centre, Chennai from 07-09 January 2009. Organised by the Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs in partnership with the State Government of Tamil Nadu and the Confederation of Indian Industry (CII), it would be the first PBD Convention organized in Chennai. PBD Conventions provide a platform for exchange of views and networking to the Persons of Indian Origin settled all over the world on matters of common interest. Such Conventions have helped the Government to better understand the expectations of the Overseas Indian Community from the land of their ancestors and acknowledge the important role played by it In India's efforts to acquire its rightful place in the comity of nations. Among the decisions taken by the Government of India as a result of wider consultations held at these Conventions, are formulation of the Overseas Citizenship of India, establishment of Overseas Indian Facilitation Centre, Conceptualisation of PIO University, formation of Prime Minister's Global Advisory Council of People of Indian Origin, and the proposed India Development Foundation. A series of Programs e. g. Know India Program and Scholarship Program for Diaspora Children are also designed specifically for Diaspora youth. Among other things, the 7th PBD Convention would have sessions on the preservation of Diaspora language and culture and
[Goanet] Latest status with BlackBerry in India?
Hi All: Does anyone know what is the latest status with Blackberry regarding their discussion with DoT ? Is DoT now able to decrypt blackberry? Perhaps the same formula can be used with skype, and other voip providers. samir
[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Goyant, Fuddle Dis Marekar?
Gõyant, Fuddle Dis Marekar? Susegad ani xant aslolem Gõychem vatavoronn (atmosphere) az-kal uchambollachea tufanant sampoddlolea vorim zalam. Gõyant chorio, kirmi, bholatkar, lutmar, nagovnneo, lonch ghevpi vaddot vetelean kaim Gõycho lok aple surokxea ani rakhnne khatir kaidean armam-pistolachi porvongi (license) magunk Gõychea Ghor Khatean lokachi khett zata mhunn halinch ami disaleancher vachlam. Durig naslolim ghoram huske mekllim ugti soddun adlea lokamni bhirante vinem dis sarle. Chukonn keddna-i ganvant ek chori zali zalear, ghorcho bedi bhailo chor, hem lok mhonntalo ani chôr konn te lokak rokddench ghomtalem. Ganvant khoinchea mon’xank choriecho hat asa hem ganvcho lok zannam astalo. Chori zali mhonntoch tea-tea mon’xank ganvche vhoddil vichar kori ani sarki zap mellona tednanch pulisent kagall (complain) nond kori. 1960 doskent jednam hippie lok Gõyant yeunk laglo tednam pordexi bhonvddekar Gõychea soimbik suropaek bul’lo. Lohu, lohu korun tannim herank kolit kelem. Dorya kinarer lhanxim shakam ailim, hotelam bhandlim ani oxe toren Gõy sonvsarik mapar ek bhonvddekarancho sorg zalo. Tourism-a nanvan zaitem bhitor sorot ravlem. Kuddicho dhondo vidhexi ghore khaticho lok ugtea mollar cholounk lagle. Night life asunk rave party vikallea vogddamni (drugs) suru zaleo ani night bazaar ani flea market hi funkea sovai mouja polloupak desi tourist bhitor sortana sabar toreche tovnaxi monis, chôr, kirmidor bhitor sorle ani atam akantvadi. Adim Gõychea disaleancher sumanank vo pondroxik ek motoricho akxident zalo mhunn vachunk melltalem. Mhoineank ek motti chori zali zalear paperancher chappun yetali. Doryant buddon vorsantlean eklo melear borem aslem. Ani krim mholeli zavop mhonnchem ek vhodd bhirankull gozal Gõybor ghaztali ani thoddo lok mudd’dom tea-tea ganvant vochun odik mahiti ghevn yetalo. Punn atam dhor disa potrancher lhanxea Gõyant dha-bara obseag ani tatunt 4 mornam. Chori zatat tacho hixeob na ani chôr pulisank mellonant. Doryan buddon mornnancho dor vorsak ankddo choddot veta, ani kirmi ani inosent ostoreancher bholatkar adim kallokant zatale, atam dis-uzvaddan zatat tem vachun ang xirxita. Fattim Sao Jose Areal ganvant konn eklea iskolachea bhurgeak zobordosten riksant ghalun vortale to tanchea chopkeantlo vatovlo. Dusrea rajeantlo lok vo on-Gõykar Gõyant vaddot veteleant voir nodrek haddleat teo bhangoddeo disa-dispottim atanchea potrancher chhapun yetat. Ghorantlem vahan (vehicle) bhair gheun ghelolo monis amche rosteancher nodor ghalear to surokxit ghora porto pavtolo hi guarantee diunk zainam. Ghor bond korun thoddea vellak bazarak vo dhormik khariavollik ghelear bond kelelim daram ghorvaleak automatic yevkar diunk ugti zalolim melltat. Atam lok flat-amni ravunk laglelean khuxik aslolea flat-an dharun kunn zalo zalear melelea moddeacho sosunk zaina toslo vas poddlo mhonntoch sorbhonvttim ravpi xezareak kollta. Ostoreanchea golleantleo vostu, hat-begam faraitat, ani 10 rupianchem magic nott sokoll udoun dhondekarank luttat. Itlem sogott dis-uzvaddan cholta astana amche kaide samballpi pulisank kagall dilear sotasot nikall ditele mhunn bhorvonso na. Ani dhekunuch ghelea sumanant Moddganvche Kamraxim ek ostorechem skustorintlem hand bag gheun pollun dhanvteleachi fattik lok laglo ani taka lagxilea jardinant dorun, ani kaido aplea hatant gheun chorak boroch bodoitoch pulisanchea hatatant dilo. Novembrache 26ver Mumbai zalelea nixttur akantvadanchea akromonnan 183 zannacho jiv luksonn zale 300 lok zokmi zalo. Hea dharun akantvadeanchea akromonnan Bharot desh halun poddlo ani Gõy surokxea vatten zagrut zalem. Ani dekhunuch hea disamni Moddganv-Khareband, Pornne Nistea Bazara lagim, Vasku- Khariwado, Zuari Nagar, Cuncolim Industrial Estate, ani her sabar zageancher bhailo lok (migrants) ravpeancher pulisamni dhadd (raid) ghatli. Favo te somikoronn (identification) naslolea mon’xank dorun bond keleat tanchi koddok choukoxi zateli vo nam ho Gõyche porjek husko zala. Ani tea khatir pulisancher visvas naslolean atam Gõychem porjen armam-pistolanchim porvongi magunk Ghor Khateant orjo keleat. Mumbaiche ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar, Ashok Kamte hea unchlea odikareamni aplim kamachim pistolam akantvadeancher upeog korunk bhair kaddlelim tednam akantvadeanchea AK 47 armamni tankam sasnachi nidh dili. Gõykar aple surokxe khatir pistolanchi porvongi magta to nhoi akantvadeanchea AK 47 fuddo korunk punn voir thavn lottun yetelea (thoddea Amdar-Montreachea axirvaddan) bhailea chor, kirmidor ani tovnaxi mon’xancher upeog korunk vo tankam bhirant diunk. Armam-pistolanchi porvongi khoreaninch favo tea mon’xank divnchi oxi sorkarak vinonti kortanam, favo nhoi tea mon’xanchea hatant poddchi nhoi mhunn xiddkaitam. Konn eklo fattim ap
[Goanet] GOA FOR PEACE meet says there cannot be peace without social justice
At a meeting on 'Goa for Peace' organized by Citizens' Initiatives for Communal Harmony (CICH) at T. B. Cunha Hall on 6th December, participants were unanimous in stating that we need to look at conditions of justice in our own spaces in order to move towards peace, rather than launch a war against terrorism. The common person is deprived of strategic access to dialogue across the border, participants observed. Participants also noted that the Government has not honoured the recommendations that its one-man inquiry report had made following the Sanvordem-Curchorem riots and questioned the seriousness of the Government in identifying the culprits involved in vandalisation of religious places in the last one year. Participants also decried the knee-jerk reactions like anti-terror laws or superficial initiatives of tightening security, which do not address the core issues that foster insecurity among people. Guest speaker, noted film-maker Mr. Saeed Mirza emphasized that people all over want peace and that people to people dialogue is the way to achieve peace. Mr. Mirza further remarked that simplistic solutions like war and carpet bombing are being publicized by a media that is not concerned about the people as it is controlled by corporates and politicians. Ms. Judith Almeida, a civic and consumer activist, raised fundamental questions of what constitutes security. Ms. Almeida wondered whether the deprivation of basic needs, and the lack of justice from existing mechanisms, was not terrorism. Ms. Almeida remarked that citizens are cornered on every aspect of justice by the State, virtually imposing a terrorism of sorts on the communities. Mr. Durgadas Gaonkar of GAKUVED narrated the saga of terrorization of tribal communities and peoples out of their village lands and livelihoods because of mining and questioned why this terror is not recognized. Mr. Gaonkar further stated that this terror is accentuated by direct police terror, warning that war on terrorism invariably results in terror on people. Mr. Anthony D'Silva of Ambelim remarked that the development model that is being forced upon the villages in Goa such as Ambelim is creating large scale frustration, unemployment and unrest that could lead to rebellion of the people. Ms. Dipti Arolkar of CICH read a joint India-Pakistan people's statement urging upon the governments of India and Pakistan to take various steps including to immediately stop all hostile propaganda against each other; take joint action to curb religious extremism of all shades in both countries; continue intensified normalization of relations and peaceful resolution of all conflicts between the two countries, facilitate trade and cooperation between the two countries and in all of South Asia, to make a declaration by India and Pakistan of No First Use of atomic weapons; while welcoming the fact that the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad and Poonch-Rawalkot borders have been opened for trade and that the opening of the road between Kargil and Skardu is in the pipeline. The resonating statement in the meeting was that there cannot be peace without social justice and that war on terror would only beget further terror. Ramesh Gauns Albertina Almeida Citizens' Initiatives for Communal Harmony -- (M) 9326137682 "Every flower must grow through dirt." -- Anonymous
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy: Mumbai was not our 9/11 | World news | guardian.co.uk
--- On Sat, 13/12/08, Samir Kelekar wrote: > In my opinion, what she has in mind is this: > "terrorism has arisen because of frustrations of > people. In issues > such as displacement of land as in the Narmada valley, > govt. is riding > rough shod over the people. This gives rise to frustrations > and people > take to means like terrorism." Nascy: Is she not right about this Landlord terrorism? Do U mean that displaced should not be concerned? > Samir: > But in this case, she should be talking about the Narmadas > in Pakistan > and not here because the terrorists came from Pakistan. Nascy: Why not Narmda from India? The terrorists in Godra and Babri and Orissa and Mangalore and Bangalore and many more places have come from India and they are thriving! Samir: > When she means justice, I think she means justice for the > downtrodden. Nascy: So what's wrong with that? I think she means also for the downtrodden. Is not that a 'Good Thing'?? > Samir: > But I think this incident, specially the Mumbai attacks, > doesnt fit her > argument well. I have a feeling that she first decides on > the conclusion > of her article and then uses all her writing skills to > justify that. Nascy: Are Bhai, That is the way; she is pointiog out how all these Terrorism Acts are some way connected. If there was no Babri, there would have been no follow ups and retro in India. Terror would have been confined to Kashmir. Of course, in these troubled times we can never be sure, of anything. Nascy Caldeira. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline
[Goanet] Aldona Bachao Abhiyan, public meeting on RP 2021
The Aldona Bachao Abhiyan is organising a public meeting at the Parish Centre, Aldona, on Sunday, 14 December at 4.30 pm. The purpose of the meeting is to discuss the draft Regional Plan - 2021 with specific focus as to how it affects Aldona. Apart from a number of noted speakers from Aldona, the meeting will also be addressed by Geraldine Fernandes, Ganv Ghar Rakhonn Manch; Soter D'Souza, Centre for Panchayati Raj; Miguel Braganza and Pravin Sabnis, Goa Bachao Abhiyan. All citizens of Aldona and other interested citizens are cordially invited to this meeting, to know what RP 2021 proposes, and to work out what the ideal pattern of development of our village should be. Though there have been many representations to the government asking for time for public feedback to be extended till 31 March 2009, there has been no action on this to date. Thus, currently the deadline for public feedback is 31 December 2008. This means that there is no time to be lost. Get involved in development of your village for a better Goa. Make it a point to attend the public meeting and get involved in analysing the Regional Plan and planning for a better tomorrow. Maria Aurora Couto Nandakumar Raikar Charmaine De Souza for Aldona Bachao Abhiyan
[Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
>Hi Samir, >Are you sure you are comfortable with taking Marshall and the writers of the >>articles he posts by their words, but not Sonal Shah? Is Marshall more >>truthful than Sonal Shah? >Cheers, >Santosh Even if we went just by Sonal Shah's words, it is clear that she did fund-raising for VHP in 2000 during the Gujarat earthquake. The only fact of Marshall's that I am believing here is that she was still associated with VHP after the Gujarat pogrom and even gave speeches as its representative. Now, this fact could be false, but Sonal hasnt explicitely said so. Obviously, she has renounced association with VHP only now. Bosco made a statement that her association with VHP is out of ignorance, and she did not know of VHP's sinister motives. Possible, but it is also true that she did not renounce her association with VHP after knowing its motives. All this gives rise to strong suspicion that "dal mein kuch kaala hai". I would expect at least an independent inquiry to ascertain the facts. Going forward, it is quite possible that she will have nothing to do with VHP and Modi but not because her ideology has changed but because of the adverse publicity this has generated. Still, if she is given for instance an India-related post in the future --- quite a possibility because of her ethnic Indian background, these issues could again come to the forefront and become important. samir
[Goanet] Every Indian should obey court decision/verdict? is this statement is correct?
Dear S. Sawaikar, Do not worry about grammar; people have in general moved on. Those were things in the past. As far as I can tell, writers on this site are no longer looking for "grammatical mistakes." There could be a couple of holdouts. Btw, my grammar is not anything to crow about (work in progress), and people leave me alone -- grammar wise. Of course if I was writing a book then I would use the skills of those around me including my wife. Now, getting into the tangential, but I daresay the sensible too. The following couplet by one of our grammarians as pointed in a book by F. Max Mueller (Paris 5th April 1866) displayss a sense of scholarly humor. "Guna, Vriddhi, Guna , Vriddhi, prohibition, option, again Vriddhi and then exception, these, with the change of ri into a semi-vowel in the first instance, are the nine results." I doubt whether, even if we had grammarian's on this site; that they would come remotely close to a Panini, or a Bhattojidikshita, leave alone a Colebrooke, Bopp, Westergaard, or Fechia. I do feel though that there are posters who intentionally twist the grammar to inject ambiguity, and obfuscate. But we have to take it all in the mix. Goanet is a collection of various personalities.We should just take from them, what moves us. So, in humanism -- Tathata. venantius j pinto > From: sawaikars292 > Subject: [Goanet] ?Every Indian should obey court decision/verdict? is >this statement is correct? > I know that the writers of this site look to the grammatical mistakes? > I request them to look on humanitarian ground not on grammar. > > With any regards. > S. Sawaikar >
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Hi Santosh, I do not see anything 'un thruthful' in Marshall's postings. He is rightfully exposing all the evil that is happening and more and his source is from the Media. He brings to the goanet forum what we goanettters might have missed out. The only people who are shaken by his truthful expose's are the Hundutwa wallahs and supporters, like Uday, (Dr???). I am surprised to see U who says he is not biased et al, is picking up on Marshall. Marshall has no Professional or Business interests. What he is projecting is certainly in the larger interest of his Community and the Interest of India as a whole. By exposing the Rats he is doing a solemn service to Goa and India. All that U are doing of late is criticising for nothing at all. I used to think highly of you and think of you as an intelectual; But surely I do not hold you in high regard anymore. U seem to be competing with Mario G. in 'going on and on' on matters that really do not matter at least to goanetters and wasting bandwith' and everyone's precious time. I agree with what Samir says. After all Sonal has an interest in the job she has, and now that she has disowned the various groups and their malice, she has earned her stripe, but even so 'caution' is required. Marshall's truthful posting and Sonal's 'Denial' are complimentary; I hold both Marshall and Sonal in her latest Denial Statement, as truthful. I do no see how any sane person can take objection to Marshall. Are U perturbed that U are loosing it and do not have any winning arguments? Seems like it! Please see that this is nothing personal on you, but only with regards to your wanton, uneccessary outbursts against Marshall. Cheers! Nascy Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Santosh Helekar wrote: > Hi Samir, > Are you sure you are comfortable with taking Marshall and > the writers of the articles he posts by their words, but not > Sonal Shah? Is Marshall more truthful than Sonal Shah? > Santosh Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Mario, Sonal has felt the Guilt; guilt by association. That is why she has had to issue the 'Denial and Ronouncing with VHP statement. Simple as that. So why are U attacking Marshall? Talk on Sonal Shah if U must. In your lower paragraph, U are comparing apples with bananas Should we not be more disciplined in our postings to goanet or to anyone for that matter. Nascy Caldeira, Melbourne, Down Under. --- On Sat, 13/12/08, Mario Goveia wrote: > If she is guilty of supporting violence in Gujarat because > she did not speak up earlier in a public forum, then > everyone who did not speak up in public when Al Qaeda was > attacking US interests throughout the 90s, did not speak up > when Saddam Hussain was brutalizing his people, and did not > speak up when the Taliban were whipping women in the > streets, are guilty of the same infraction as well. Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline
[Goanet] Guards with AK-47 will secure Goa CM - From the Times of India
>oanetters, >Wonder how many more politicians will now seek this level of security! >Garbage and plastic can be seen littering all the highways and roads. This needs to be protested. In fact, politicians' security needs to be removed in its entirely and the resources spent on protecting the layman. samir
[Goanet] Goa news for December 14, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Federation Cup: New Delhi Heroes Shock Sporting - Goal.com [11 hours ago] Underdogs New Delhi Heroes caused a huge shock in the Federation Cup on Saturday when they defeated the current I-League leaders Sporting Club de Goa 1-0 in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/4-0&fd=R&url=http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/1773/federation-cup-08/2008/12/13/1010311/federation-cup-new-delhi-heroes-shock-sporting&cid=1279598120&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNGZeOI1qeAauUkUgx7zsqtgrYmm2A *** Rave party organisers assault two Russians in Goa - Sify [Dec 12, 2008] Panaji: Organisers of night parties allegedly beat up two Russians over a property dispute at the Palolem beach in South Goa, the victims told the media ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/7-0&fd=R&url=http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14817796&cid=127972&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNES1CFavzuAe2gvplSmTwxHuKVZqQ *** Post-Mumbai siege, Coast Guard patrolling up in Goa - Hindu [12 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): In the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks through the sea-route, the Coast Guard (CG) has increased patrolling and number of sorties off Goa ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/2-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200812131711.htm&cid=1280076065&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNF5Rbzo7NMkpOHyV6FvlN80kLz51Q *** Russian consulate concerned about citizens\' safety in Goa - Times of India [23 hours ago] PANAJI: Concerned about the safety of their citizens holidaying in Goa, the Russian consulate has advised the former to "reconsider their trips" to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/1-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Russian_consulate_concerned_about_citizens_safety_in_Goa/articleshow/3831304.cms&cid=1279987467&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNEbn3Mo1sKt_Gf1P6njIks7l677Dg *** ˜Port Trust displacing Goa fishermen - Hindu [2 hours ago] PANAJI: The local fishermen community has accused Goas only port body the Mormugao Port Trust (MPT) of attempting to displace them on the "pretext" of ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/14/stories/2008121456200100.htm&cid=1280097743&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNE6kk1TO9EoXrMmcjBf7_4xZw7z9Q *** Ranji Trophy Plate League, 4th round, 2nd day - CricInfo.com [5 hours ago] Third-placed Goa, with all ten wickets remaining in their second innings, need 159 runs to beat leaders Himachal Pradesh. Resuming on 40 for 2 in reply to ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/8-0&fd=R&url=http://usa.cricinfo.com/ranjiplateleague2008/content/story/381986.html&cid=0&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNEtvy8NMJFDV_rGDVEp2N7LCk2tug *** Goa to have its own Café Leopold - Herald Publications [20 hours ago] Goa may get its own branch of Cafe Leopold, the renowned Irani restaurant on the Colaba causeway in Mumbai that was the very first target of the 26/11 ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/9-0&fd=R&url=http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=13954&cid=2&cid=1279987599&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNF_vItJcT06OafqelpQhCWbPfPCjg *** Security for Kamat tightened - Times of India [1 hour ago] Superintendent of police (security) Tony Fernandes told PTI, "Pistols which were carried formerly by Goa chief minister's escorts are now replaced by ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/6-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Security_for_Kamat_tightened/articleshow/3833706.cms&cid=1280193739&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNG7SOuU_mCxiqpEhg0xhcJweb9Kmw *** Govt will not sanction Rs 1 cr to road safety panel - Times of India [1 hour ago] It will not sanction the Rs 1 crore to the committee formed under the South Goa Collector to formulate the "traffic discipline and road safety scheme" as ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/5-0&fd=R&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Govt_will_not_sanction_Rs_1_cr_to_road_safety_panel/articleshow/3833774.cms&cid=0&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNEm_1JCoD0auDmtxDwXkqGLmP2UQw *** A scarred Goa - Deccan Herald [3 hours ago] Far from the picture ”perfect image of Goa, lies another Goa virtually quarantined away from the milling hordes of tourists and other beach and surf struck ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/3-0&fd=R&url=http://www.deccanherald.com/Content/Dec142008/books20081213106522.asp&cid=0&ei=ilNEScDDIoXyNrqCjYkP&usg=AFQjCNHadv-RdZKMBzrWPAta92-ywfzpfg Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] GBA initiatives on DRP 2021 & Press note dated 11th DEc
Dears, The GBA will conduct a meeting at Agonda -Canacona at 10.30 A.M. and also participate in the public meeeting organised by Aldona Bachao Abhiyan at 4.30 P.M. on 14 December, 2008 at the Tercena-Aldona. [Press Note has been issued by ABA.] after successfully facilitating an interactive session on PARTICIPATORY Planning Process at Panaji with experienced Resource Person from MAITHRI, Kerala. Other assistance is as listed below. One can take a horse to the water. The horse has to drink to quench its thirst. Neighing will get it nowhere closer to satisfying its thirst. Together we have got the RP 2011 revoked. Together we can make the RP 2021 better than the DRP 2021 proposes that we do. Goa is our land. Bangarallem Goy! Let's make it better!! Mog asundi Miguel Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Goanet] GBA initiatives on DRP 2021 & Press note dated 11thDec Message-ID: <80972.99691...@web8701.mail.in.yahoo.com> GBA's INITIATIVES with the people of Goa include: - 1. GUIDANCE ON VILLAGE LEVEL PLANNING: A] *Mr. Vinod Kumar,* an expert on participatory planning from Maithri, Kerala,will share his experiences on the planning process B]. *GBA will hold awareness meetings wherever requested by village groups, and provide information and suggestions through its website www.savegoa.com, print-outs, CDs etc. C]. *GBA does overlays of Village Survey maps* on the revoked RP-2011, proposed RP-2021, and google satellite imagery for interested groups, provided the group supplies GBA with a copy of the village survey maps or DRP 2021 settlement maps as provided by the TCP Dept on 22 November, 2008,to Village Panchayats and pay the cost of print-out [Around Rs.500/- in all] The DRP 2021 village plans can be used as the basis for developing village plans through the "Participatory Rapid Appraisal" [PRA].Using this PRA process [basically sitting with the plan and iviting suggestion before finalising a"land use" for each plot in the village] it will be easier to catch fraud [as in the case of Pilerne] and to ask for facilities that the village needs or wants [a bus stand, a mini market, a cottage hospital, etc]. The DPC can then decide how to share these facilities among village and town clusters. Mog asundi Miguel --- On Wed, 10/12/08, GBA office wrote: > *Goa Bachao Abhiyan*, 77, Defence Colony, Porvorim Contact: 9767701245 > GBA/PRESS/2008/1111 December, 2008 > > The GBA was formed on 03 December, 2008, to facilitate the > people of Goa in achieving three primary objectives > 1. Get the Fraudulent Regional Plan 2011 revoked; > 2. Bring about a transparency in participatory > planning for Goa in accordance with the rights and duties under Article > 243 > of the Constitution of India after the 73rd and 74th amendments > 3. Help formulate a new Regional Plan in the spirit of the 73rd & > 74thamendments. > Reboni Saha > Secretary Goa Bachao Abhiyan - -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati's solution to contain terrorism
Dear Tony, Thanks. Perhaps, Arundhati's article is a Rorschach test. I was hoping someone would answer my entire question. I still do not have an answer to following part: Who does she think is responsible for the Mumbai terrorist attacks, and how will justice be served here? Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, assuming that you agree with her, do you know when the Kashmir insurgency and militancy began, and how it is related to terrorism and communal violence in other parts of India, such as Assam, Orissa, Tripura and Nagaland? --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Anthony M Barreto wrote: > > Dear Dr Helekar > > Without claiming to be some sort of authority I would like > to offer a possible explanation for Roy's concluding > remark. > > Look at the monster in the mirror = implies the monster is > within > Justice = the terrorism within needs to be addressed in a > fair manner. > Civil War = the absence of justice and continued terrorism > within the country could spell the beginnings of a civil > war. > > Perhaps Arundhati implies that when terrorism within stops > the terrorists from across the border will stop their > tit-for-tat games which perhaps began with the demolition of > the Babri in 1992 by self-seeking politicians obsessed with > power. > It works. Ask Narendra Modi. If the BJP has a hero it is > he.
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > Response: First of all, let me assure Sandeep that I have > not joined any bandwagon or campaign nor will I join one any time in > future. I have too strong an independent mind for that. > Perhaps, Sandeep will judge the strong independent mind independently. But to my mind the rest of the above post is a continuation of a classic example of dishonest guilt by association smear, now independently laced with half-truths and falsehoods, against an innocent Indian American. The independent-minded author questions Sonal Shah's integrity based on quotes and articles from partisan fringe websites that have little or nothing to do with her, such as www.proxsa.org, www.stopfundinghate.org, and www.countercurrents.org, and selected reports in the media with hypothetical, speculative titles such as "Will Obama's top aide give Modi visa power?". He ignores the testimonials and factual accounts written by eminent people who actually know Sonal Shah personally. He mentions the nefarious deeds of VHP in India, massages and twists some facts about her to link her to this organization and some other organizations that are guilty by association with it. His independent mind then relies on independent innuendo and hearsay, and claims that everything he has written are facts that we must believe, but the facts that Sonal Shah and those who know her have provided cannot be believed. She still has to answer some imaginary questions that occur to this independent mind. What those questions are nobody knows, and nobody knows why this mind would believe her even if she answers those questions. After all, she is not Mother Teresa. Cheers, Santosh P.S. Here are some examples of fabricated "facts" and twisting of facts to establish the bogus guilt by association in the strong independent-mind post: "It's vital for Modi that Sonal eventually gets an important profile in the Obama Administration because an insider could influence or change policy decisions of the previous dispensation" - Times of India (The author has not provided any source or evidence for this malicious insinuation) "She collected funds for the VHPA and other sangh parivar associated organisations ostensibly for the Gujarat earthquake victims, even though there were other reputed agencies like the Red Cross available." - Marshall Mendonza (The author has twisted Sonal Shah's words, and has not provided evidence that she collected funds for other Sangh Parivar associated organizations. He has also not stated how he knows that she did not work with Red Cross.) "When Sonal joined the VHPA, she could not have been unaware of its ideology and activities. VHPA is affiliated to the VHP. The VHP has been around for nearly 25 years. The hate and violent activities of the VHP are too well known and documented in reports of the Minority Commission." - Marshall Mendonza (The author speculates about what Sonal Shah did and knew, claims to know the nature of the relationship of VHPA with VHP, and develops a classic guilt by association chain, linking Sonal Shah with extremism and violence in India) --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Marshall Mendonza wrote: > > No amount of whitewashing or spin doctoring will wish the > above facts away. > As I wrote in an earlier post, I too would be proud to see > an Indian in the > inner echelons of the White House but it should be a person > whom all of us > Indians, whether hindu, muslim, christian etc can admire > and be proud of. > There are questions to be answered and Sonal Shah needs to > come clean if she > is to be believed. And the earlier the better. > > Regards, > > Marshall
[Goanet] RTI issues
Interested in Right to Information issues? Check the GoaRTI mailing list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoaRTI/ -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Pustak ...
Pustak [http://pustak.co.in/] claims to be India's largest online bookstore. Was surprised that they have so many Goa-related books, some 60 pages of it in all [http://pustak.co.in/pustak/books/search?q=Goa&type=book&page=1] Some are reasonably priced. See Henry Baden Powell's The Villages Of Goa In The Early Sixteenth Century (1900) [http://pustak.co.in/pustak/books/product?bookId=0548868417] at Rs 768.28, which includes shipping "to your doorstep"! Rochelle Pinto's 'Between Empires' [http://pustak.co.in/pustak/books/product?bookId=0195690478] costs a fairly-steep Rs 1533. And I couldn't believe the eco-guide 'Fish, Curry and Rice' edited by Dr Claude Alrares [http://pustak.co.in/pustak/books/product?bookId=8185569487] is priced at over five thousand rupees! Check it out anyway! FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Guards with AK-47 will secure Goa CM - From the Times of India
Goanetters, Wonder how many more politicians will now seek this level of security! Garbage and plastic can be seen littering all the highways and roads. Crores are spent on IFFI and still no resolution to the garbage disposal. Garbage trucks from Panjim Municipality come and dump their garbage at Campal and nobody cares for the stink nor the mosquito menace due to the clogged nullah! How I wish one such truck could have 'accidentally' dumped one load outside the Kala Academy, during IFFI! I recently learnt that Birlas offered a power plant that would use garbage but backed off once a demand was made by the politicians for 'cuts'! Ironically these very corrupt politicians will now be protected by AK-47 totting cops! What's next? Helicopters hovering over for more protection? Can it get any worse for Goans? Naguesh http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Guards_with_AK-47_to_secure_Goa_CM/articleshow/3833267.cms PANAJI: In the wake of Mumbai terror attack, security of Goa chief minister Digamber Kamat has been tightened with SLRs and AK-47s replacing pistols. Superintendent of Police (Security) Tony Fernandes told, "pistols which were carried formerly by Goa chief minister's escorts are now replaced by self-loading rifles (SLRs) and AK-47s. Several aspects of chief minister's security has been increased." The terror scenario has also forced Goa Police to consider purchase of 'Jammer', which accompanies VVIP convoys and jams any signal generally used to detonate bombs by using remote control. "The matter to purchase jammer is pending with the state government," Fernandes said. The Mumbai terror attack happened when Goa was hosting International Film Festival of India-2008 in capital Panaji. "Till this incident the chief minister, who enjoys 'Z' category security, used to go around with pistol and gun- wielding guards." Fernandes said there was no formal request from chief minister's office to change the weapons and decision was taken by his security team. The security of chief minister's official and personal residences, besides his office, is looked after by 70 policemen of whom 40 are from security branch, the SP said. Goa has increased its overall security following Mumbai terror attack with special attention given to 105 km-long coastline. The security apparatus is on alert as Christmas and New Year celebrations would attract thousands, including VIPs.
[Goanet] 9 Is Not 11
Here is Arundhati Roy's article which appears in the latest issue of Outlook. http://www.outlookindia.com/fullprint.asp?choice=2&fodname=20081222&fname=ARoy+%28F%29&sid=1 Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Outlook- Letters to the Editor
I came across two thought provoking letters to the editor of Outlook. Thought of sharing with you. Quote: After all that I've read and heard about the attack on Mumbai, I feel it's my fault. I'm the one to blame. Why? Because I live my life pretending nothing can happen to me (until it hits home like this); Because I take my security for granted all the time; Because I've become blind to other people's problems—in Kashmir, in Assam and more. Because I continue to tolerate and even justify violence when it is in my interest. Because I've spent the last five years telling my government that our priority is infrastructure and development when it should have been security; Because I haven't demanded accountability from my elected representative; Because I suggested that martial law would be better without realising that 20 years of that hasn't fixed Kashmir or the Gaza; Because the only thing I would think of if I was caught in the crossfire is how I could save myself and my family; Because there is so little I am willing to sacrifice for security. I will feel bad in the immediate aftermath but after a month, I would have moved on; Because I complain about paying taxes; Because I have a very long list of what I expect from my country and government, but virtually nothing on what my country can expect from me. And more than anything because I have neither the attention span, nor the will or dedication required for being vigilant even if others aren't. What am I going to do about it? I'm still figuring that out. Karan Manral, on e-mail Quote: Where the heart is heavy and the head is bowed; Where evil, greed and hatred have right of way; Where morals, values and ethics have vanished into the oblivion of the past; Where integrity and loyalty are up for sale, for a crore of rupees; Where the security of a nation is unashamedly offered on a platter to lesser forces of evil; Where ugly, soulless, corruptoids stuff their ever-widening bellies with the lives and well-being of a billion people; Where a once eminent bureaucrat, who has since crossed over to the dark side, mumbles about retaliation; Where the common man stands watching helplessly in mute disbelief and disgust; Into that hell of bondage, my father, I've awoken. P. Kamat, Bangalore Unquote: Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Santosh: Are you sure you are comfortable with taking Marshall and the writers of the articles he posts by their words, but not Sonal Shah? Is Marshall more truthful than Sonal Shah? Response: Some posters love to live in denial. It helps them to avoid uncomfortable questions and also acknowledging the truth which can shake their complacent way of living. After all, it is much more comfortable to live miles away surrounded by luxury, with all rights protected by the state, than to live in India, especially in Gujarat or Orissa, where a person from the minority community is not sure whether tomorrow will come. Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Goan village names
Hi Antonio, Do we know the original names of the villages prior to the arrival of the Portuguese and the changes in their names? Thanks in anticipation Regards, GL - Antonio Menezes The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa.
[Goanet] ywca mumbai invites you to prayers and thanksgiving
Please forward to all your friends and come in large numbers in order to make the programme a success. * The Y.W.C.A., Mumbai PIYA Committee (PARTICIPATION AND INVOLVEMENT OF YOUTH FOR ACTION) Invites each and everyone of you to To A Programme as follows:- Date: Saturday, 13th December 2008 Time: 4 pm Welcome & Introduction 4.10pm Prayer service for peace and Unity and for those who lost their lives recently in Mumbai 4.30pm Snacks, cold drinks and games 5pm 5.45pm Movie and Discussion 6pm 8pm Carol Singing Venue: YWCA of Bombay, 18, Madame Cama Road, Fort, Mumbai 400 001. Registration : FREE For Further information and registration please contact immediately:- Phone: 022-22020122 E-mail: ywcafo...@rediffmail.com Please come in large numbers in order to make the programme a success. N.B.: CAROL SINGING OPEN TO ALL.
[Goanet] Mumbai gunman's confession sheds light on massacre -Ramola Talwar Badam Dec 13 washingtonpost.com
Ghastly. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121300 671.html?referrer=emailarticlepg rubygoes
[Goanet] Arundhati Roy: Mumbai was not our 9/11 | World news guardian.co.uk
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:59:00 +1100 From: "Ruby Goes" Goanetters, Your weekend reading. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy Mario responds: My responses to Arundhati Roy are shown below in between selected excerpts from her tedious and lengthy diatribe, typically making excuses for the perpetrators of terrorism based on a selective use of history to suit her preconceived agenda. Excerpt: Thanks largely to the part it was forced to play as America's ally first in its war in support of the Afghan Islamists and then in its war against them, Pakistan, whose territory is reeling under these contradictions, is careening towards civil war. As recruiting agents for America's jihad against the Soviet Union, it was the job of the Pakistan army and the ISI to nurture and channel funds to Islamic fundamentalist organizations. Having wired up these Frankensteins and released them into the world, the US expected it could rein them in like pet mastiffs whenever it wanted to. Mario observes: This is the typical anti-US codswallop that the lovely and not-so-gracious Arundhati Roy has made a career of on the far left side of the political spectrum by misrepresenting facts and turning logic on its head. This is similar to the recent misguided personal attacks against Sonal Shah for ostensibly supporting VHP violence because of something she did in a completely different context. I defended Shah, even though I am her political adversary, because my evidence showed that she was being falsely maligned. The US helping Pakistan to help Afghanistan defend itself against an invasion by the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War has nothing to do with what the ISI has done since to train and encourage terrorists to attack India in Kashmir and India itself. The responsibility is clearly with Pakistan and the ISI, and the US has nothing to do with it. In fact, it was US pressure that forced the Pakistani government to ban the Lashkar-i-Taiba after the attack on the Indian Parliament and now its parent organization, Jamaat-ud-Dawa. Excerpt: Day after day, a powerful, vociferous section of the Indian elite, goaded by marauding TV anchors who make Fox News look almost radical and left wing, have taken to mindlessly attacking politicians, all politicians, glorifying the police and the army and virtually asking for a police state. Mario observes: More codswallop. Independent studies of TV coverage during the recent US Presidential campaign showed that Fox News was the most even-handed of all the American TV channels, with about as many positive and negative reports about John McCain as about Barack Obama. Excerpt: How should those of us whose hearts have been sickened by the knowledge of all of this view the Mumbai attacks, and what are we to do about them? There are those who point out that US strategy has been successful inasmuch as the United States has not suffered a major attack on its home ground since 9/11. However, some would say that what America is suffering now is far worse Mario responds: What America is suffering now, which is a financial crisis founded out of an attempt to "spread the wealth" by encouraging home ownership among low income Americans, has a) nothing to do with the response to the 9/11 attacks, and b) is part of a global economic adjustment after several years of strong economic growth. Excerpt: If the idea behind the 9/11 terror attacks was to goad America into showing its true colors, what greater success could the terrorists have asked for? Mario responds: Another straw man built by Ms. Roy. The 9/11 attack was part of an escalating series of attacks against the US and US interests throughout the 90's that the US did not respond to by force, which led to an emboldened Al Qaeda launching a sneak suicide attack against mostly innocent citizens. Prior to that the new American President at the time, George Bush, had indicated a dis-interest in nation building and had hinted at American isolationism that had alarmed many around the world who depend on American involvement with them, even as they criticize America. Excerpt: The US army is bogged down in two unwinnable wars, which have made the United States the most hated country in the world. Those wars have contributed greatly to the unraveling of the American economy and who knows, perhaps eventually the American empire. (Could it be that battered, bombed Afghanistan, the graveyard of the Soviet Union, will be the undoing of this one too?) Hundreds of thousands people including thousands of American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mario responds: The codswallop never ends with this woman. As everyone who honestly follows foreign affairs would know, Al Qaeda has virtually withdrawn from Iraq, except for a few suicide cells. The war to liberate Iraq has clearly been won, as indicated by the growing confidence of the ind
Re: [Goanet] Old Practice as New Science
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: Gilbert Lawrence > > Perceptive?readers would find Mario's quote / response to my post: "The > salutary effect of some negative consequences for inappropriate behavior > makes intuitive common sense" is only a bloviated version of the idiom?I > quoted: "Spare the rod and spoil the child". > Mario observes: Gilbert, I thought you said your previous post was final. What about "final" do you fail to understand? Actually, as Santosh has also illustrated, perceptive readers have already figured out that you posted a study that showed the salutary effects on inappropriate behavior of negative consequences SHORT OF CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, and then curiously misconstrued it, for no apparent reason, to say that it represented the effects of corporal punishment in controlling the behavior of children, and of those identified as heretics and unbelievers during the Inquisition, which it clearly did not. There was no unintentional bloviation involved as illustrated by this second attempt to defend the indefensible. It was clearly a misrepresentation of a research study because other studies have shown that corporal punishment may not have salutary effects on inappropriate behavior among children, and I have no idea how the Inquisition fits in anywhere in this discussion. Gilbert wrote: > I would apply the same characterization to the latest two long posts on > this thread. Once again they elect to shoot the goanet messenger; rather > that direct their comments to the authors or the editor of the > scientific paper. Mario responds: Since you misconstrued or misunderstood the original study, any other characterization you make based on it is likewise tainted. Messengers of false information in a public forum deserve to be verbally shot, to discourage them from repeating their infraction. The study you posted suggests precisely this approach. The authors of the study do not deserve any opprobrium because they reported their study accurately, and did not misrepresent the results of their research by extending it to corporal punishment or the Inquisition. Gilbert wrote: > This is my final response. > > I do not think I could make a better case of the deterrence effect of > the "Threat of Punishment", than the original authors of the study and > the title of this thread. Mario observes: Mario observes: This is what you said in your previous post. The relevent definition of "final" is, "being the last in a series," But you are absolutely correct to withdraw from further attemps to dig your hole even deeper. Thus, we see that the negative feedback from Santosh and myself that exposed your gratuitously confusing corporal punishment with non-corporal punishment had the effect indicated in the study, albeit after a second attempt to misrepresent its findings.
[Goanet] Goan names-Valmiki: HERALD(Goa), Dec 14, 2008
GOAN NAMES – VALMIKI By Valmiki Faleiro Goa, as we saw last Sunday, has only six ‘Valmikis’ … per the local phone directory, that is. Five of them are Catholics. Of these, one is the well-known diocesan priest, Fr. Valmiki Dias Gonsalves, the other is the irreverent chap you’re presently reading. Yet, the two – friends personally – are often mixed. Around 1977. Pop star Remo performs in Margao. Fr. Valmiki has painstakingly organized the show. In his acknowledgements, Remo thunders, “… and, in a very special way, I thank Rev. Fr. Valmiki Faleiro.” I had just subscribed to Goanet. Responding to one of my first posts on the forum, an old chum of Fr. Valmiki responds, from the Americas, “Hi reverend”! This time, it was Fr. Valmiki all right, talking to a mutual friend from Chinchinim, now in the US, at a wedding reception at Benaulim’s Taj Exotica. Her hubby, a medical specialist I never met, greets, “Glad to meet you, Valmiki Faleiro!” Talking of the Taj, a former Taj-Aguada boss, over the public address at the Loutulim church, thanks “Fr. Valmiki Faleiro” … even as the Rev. Valmiki Gonsalves is at the altar. Tongue slips on just six Valmikis in Goa! Why, when Fr. Valmiki served at the next- door Holy Spirit church, even the postman mixed identities, and our letters. Of the six Valmikis, only one is Hindu. (An internet search yields Valmikis with surnames like Bankay, Biswas, Mukherjee, Raghunathan, Ramsewak, Rao, Raj, Rengadhar...) Which brings up the question: why don’t Goan Hindus name their sons after the great Indian sage? For a plausible answer, let us pan back in time … to about the year 1000 BC. Story goes that a Brahmin, Prachetas, begot his tenth child, a son. For reasons unknown, he entrusted the child for upbringing to a man who lived in the forests – and waylaid and killed travelers for a livelihood. The man raised the child in his ‘profession’. The boy became the merciless bandit ‘Valya Koli’. One day, as Valya was about to strike his next victim, the aged wayfarer turned and asked Valya, “Why do you do this?” Valya replied, “To provide for my family.” The old man asked Valya that while his family shared his earnings, would they share his guilt of sin? Would they partake of the punishment? The traveler told Valya to ask his family, promising to wait at that spot until Valya returned. He was Naradamuni. Back at his forest hideout, Valya’s wife and children shot back, “why should we share the guilt of your sins? It’s your duty to provide for us, how you do it is your concern.” Valya, as if thunderstruck, returned to Narada. Valya was contrite. Narada told him, “All your life you’ve known only killing (“mar”). Your lips are not pure to utter god’s name. Sit here and utter just that word, ‘Mar, mar, mar…’ in atonement, until I return.” Valya sat under a tree and began reciting “Mar, mar…” Hours turned to days, months, and years. Gradually, the chant of “Mar, mar…” reversed in alphabetical order and turned to “Ram, Ram…,” god’s name! Eleven years had passed. An anthill (“valmik”) had grown over him. Narada finally returned, to find “Valmiki Prabhavo Vasya” (one who emerged from an anthill.) Killer Valya, now Valmiki, led an ascetic’s life. One day that too changed. Returning from bath in the river, he noticed, on a nearby tree, two birds making love. Just then, a hunter’s arrow hit the male bird, throwing it to the ground. The female cried bitterly by the side of her dead mate. An anguished Valmiki uttered a curse, the ‘Ma Nishad.’ Its verse was so creative that Brahma, the Creator, ordained Valmiki to compose an epic. The “world’s greatest story” – as veteran theatre director, Aamir Raza Husain, producer of ‘The Legend of Ram’, described the timeless ‘Ramayana.’ 24,000 lucid verses, four times the length of the Iliad. No controversy brewed by politicians, like over the ‘Ram Setu’ navigation channel or over Prof. AK Ramanujan’s essay, “300 Ramayanas,” can steal from the Ramayana. Its richness lies in its hundreds of versions and interpretations – even by Buddhists and Jains. Why, Valmiki himself is seen in ancient scriptures from three different facets: in the ‘Mahabharat’ he is Rishi, in ‘Taittiriya Pratishakya’ he is the philologist, while ‘Kalidasa’ and ‘Bhavbhuti’ refer to him as the poet/writer. Why, then, don’t Goan Hindus name their sons after this sage? The obvious answer: what if he turns out to be ‘Valya’ and not Valmiki? PS. From an e-mail: “An Olympic shooter wins gold, Govt. gives him Rs. three crore. A commando shooter dies, fighting terrorists, Govt. gives his family Rs. five lakhs.” (ENDS.) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330 == The above article appeared in the December 14, 2008 edition of the Herald, Goa
[Goanet] Taleigao-Horchella chapel_need help
Hi People, My mother remembers that In Taleigao-Horchella there is a beautiful Chapel by the banks of a river, the names of which she cannot remember. What she recollects is that, one has to take the path that takes you through Taleigao; and which runs along the Church (the inside road), up the hills and then drops down to the sea. Does anyone know the names of the Chapel and the river it is on? Perhaps also, someone has a picture of this chapel? Venantius
[Goanet] Goan Village names
-- Forwarded message -- Dears, It is said that Siolim was Shiva halli or Shivoli Benaulim was Bann-a- halli Vanelim was Vana halli while Panjim was Panjak halli. Halli is a current Kannada word meaning "village" or "hamlet". Dravidian language though the Devanagri Konkani lobby may callit,Kannada has more Sanskrit roots than Marathi. The word "Angodd" is also derived fromn the current Kannada ward"Angddi" meaning shopping place or even a "ghaddo" Goa , for most part of its pre-colonial era was a part of Karnataka-based Kingdoms from Vijaynagar, Bahamani, Bijapur, Sonde or evenKadambas of Banavasi, near Sirsi. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:40 +0530 From: "reena.martins" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan village names Message-ID: <49437328.6060...@abp.in> Dear Antonio, the 'lim' ending you mention, is the abbreviated form of the Sanskrit 'halli', meaning hamlet. Regards, Reena Antonio Menezes wrote: >The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change >in the names of villages throughout Goa. Most >village names have ended in LIM as follows: >Salcete: Ambelim ,Benaulim,Camurlim >(Ambora),Cuncolim,Duncolim,Davorlim,Guirdolim, >Loutulim,Navelim/Telaulim,Sirlim,Orlim,Seraulim, Gandaulim(Colva),Vanelim and >Velim. >Mormugao: Cansaulim/Cuelim, Chicalim, Cortalim and Dabolim. >Ilhas: Bambolim, Carambolim,Corlim, Gandaulim,Panelim,Navelim (Divar) and >Talaulim ( Santana) >Bardez: Camurlim ,Candolim, Cunchelim ,Olaulim and Siolim. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Jose Vaz, Correia Afonso, SarDessai and Abreu de Noronha remembered in Lisbon
(if of interest to other mailing-lists, please feel free to circulate) Two books and four Goan icons celebrated in Lisbon: Fr. Jose Vaz, Pedro Correia Afonso, ManoharRai SarDessai, and Jorge de Abreu Noronha Lisbon, 13 Dec. Though the afternoon was unusually grey, rainy and cold, the event Casa de Goa organised in homage to ManoharRai SarDessai, Pedro Correia Afonso and Jorge de Abreu Noronha couldn’t have been more colourful and attractive. The program compeered by Maria Virgina Bras Gomes had a little bit of everything for the diverse audience. The occasion was to publically present in Portugal two books which had been launched earlier in Goa. “My Song / Ma Chanson / O Meu Canto”, a trilingual publication containing a selection of poems by ManoharRai SarDessai (Goa: New Age Printers, 180 pages, Rs. 250); and “De Goa a Ceilao – Saga de um Caminheiro Infatigavel”, Pedro Correia Afonso’s biographical and historical account of Venerable Fr. Jose Vaz’s missionary life (Goa: Third Millennium). The latter book was published with the generous support of the Lisbon Patriarch, José Cardinal da Cruz Policarpo, who was represented by Fr. Manuel Marujao. How did the late Jorge de Abreu Noronha fit into the event? The response came from Mario Viegas, editor of the Indo-Portuguese magazine “Ecos do Oriente”, who with great emotion, facing Jorge’s widow Livia, noted that “today our friend Jorge is here with us in spirit, and we owe these books to him and his tireless translation and editing work”. One of the most culturally-active Goans in diaspora, and a passionate student and promoter of Konkani, Jorge de Abreu Noronha expired in November 2007. Giving a personal account of the earlier launch of “My Song” in Panjim, in January 2008, Mario Viegas mentioned many others who took up this cause in memory of Goa’s “Prince of Konkani Poets”, mentioning late (also poet) Berardo Pinto Pereira, Fernando do Rego (Fontainhas) and Fr. Joaquim Loiola Pereira (Goa Archidiocese) in particular. The event started on a rather formal note, Casa de Goa’s President Narana Coissoro giving a general introduction to the books and then inviting Luis Frederico Antunes (a Goa-born researcher at Lisbon’s Tropical Research Institute, IICT) to give a historical background and introduce the audience to Goa’s seventeenth-century socio-political context, in which Fr. Jose Vaz carried out his mission. Sergio Mascarenhas de Almeida, the former Panjim-based delegate of Fundacao Oriente in India, then shared some memories of the occasions in which he had the opportunity to contact personally with SarDessai, during five years. He underlined that he is one of Goa’s few uncontroversial cultural figures, something close to an icon, and thus generally spared by the acute battles traditionally fought out between Goa’s antagonistic socio-political and religious forces. The function then lit up with some youthful music. Four children of Casa de Goa’s newly formed musical youth wing, “Gamat”, aged between six and twelve, took on the stage with their violins and played some wonderful Goan classics, accompanied by the adults of the senior “Ekvat” group. There were no bojas nor feni, and unfortunately the impact of the global financial crisis made itself feel as few in the audience actually did buy any of the books in the end. But the Baluarte do Livramento, the old defensive fort now housing the Casa de Goa, warmed up in the memory of three different icons of Goa’s past and present heritage. Above all, the event highlighted the fact that Goa’s past and contemporary cultural icons are also remembered and celebrated in diaspora. And that the younger ones, especially via music and poetry, also play a role in preserving the rich cultural heritage of their ancestors. This line of continuity, between past and present, and young and old, made a striking appearance when five young kids (between three and five years old) wonderfully declaimed SarDessai’s poem “Mhonntta Avoi” in Konkani: -- Mhonntta Avoi Khoreanich bhol’lelo Gineanacho hanv xiso Tori-i mhaka mhonntta Avoi: Samko piso. Kitlim hanvem kaddleam vachun Pustokam Tori-i mhaka mhonntta Avoi: Sangtam tuka Sounsaracher kitlo bhonvn Ailam hanv Tori-i mhaka sangta Avoi: Naka dhanv. Kitlim hanvem dileam lokank Xanneponnam Tori-i mhaka mhonnta Avoi: Porak kidench somzona. -- The function then ended with Livia de Abreu Noronha rading out Sardessai’s poem dedicated to Pedro Correia Afonso: -- Viol mhojea Hunddkeanchem (Pedro Correia Afonso – hajea uggdasak) Noxibachea reg sompun Mornnachi thondd veng Aiz mhojea gitak asa Kalli deg Xetantlea bhatachea Konnsache kens tuje Xervoddachea kopplacher Ubtale… Fuddarachem sopn tujea Kallea-nillea dollean-saient Liptalem Dongra -iedo vaur korunk Mirie’le hat tuje Tornneavori kamptalle Kallzacho ghontter soddun Sounsaracher bhonvor marunk Utor tuje
Re: [Goanet] FESTIVAL OUTREACH COMMUNITY PROGRAM
Hi Nasci. Perhaps its is better to see it for what it is, an anouncement. There is every good reason why one would promote an event -- as a volunteer, an alumni, or having children enrolled in that school. But even if there is a relationship between Ms Powell and Goa Sudharop, let us just be happy that this event is happening. The onus of representing the leading schools like Loyola and Fatima, should not be even inadvertently thrust upon Ms Powell, unless one is aware she has something against them, and she has been vociferous in that regard. Nothing against you though. Also, Vidya Vikas are both Konknni words, although I surmise earlier we may /could also have said, Zanvai Tsadai (as in to increase, develop), or Zanvai Vistarop (spread -- posor, vadai -- raise, vistaruya - let us enlarge, spread, a spreading). "Zanvai," or bud(di) (knowledge). In future there could very well be a Loyola Vikas, or Fatima Vikas or something alluding to such possibilities. Things change, the language changes and people will have to change. But other than that, what one must not do, is have ones kids sit on the laps of these politicians, when a school invites them to hand out "lollipops," certificates and presents to the children. Keep the children away from the diseased corporate agents (read politicians). No photo-op crap. This was another tangent, but I just have to do this. Take care. venantius From: Nasci Caldeira Subject: Re: [Goanet] FESTIVAL OUTREACH COMMUNITY PROGRAM Why this obsession with Vidya Vikas academy only. Relatives , friends? There are other leading schools like Loyola and Fatima, in Margao. Is Melinda and Goa Sudharop biased? Nascy Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. --- On Sat, 13/12/08, Melinda Powell wrote: > Vidya Vikas Academy ,Margao in association with the P.T.A. > is presenting a > Festival Community program on Thursday 18th December from > 5pm - 7pm at Ana
[Goanet] Day 2 at Exhibition at St.Xaviers High School, Moira 14th Dec Sunday
-- - Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED - - Day 2 at St.Xaviers High School, Moira 14th Dec Sun 10am - 5pm at the EXHIBITION on "EnvironmentYou..and I..." - Exhibition on "EnvironmentYou and I..." Talks on Consumer Rights & Responsibilities, Consumer Awareness on Weights & Measures, Organic Farming, Treatment of Sewage in Houses & Water Harvesting. Also on display - a machine to Recycle Polythene Bags invented by Vijaydatta P. Lotlikar - artisan & trainer. -- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa -- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto: goa...@bsnl.in --
[Goanet] Bunkers or Bonkers?
Dears, Things are just getting worse. The Goa Police have erected a sand-bags bunker at the Santa Monica jetty from where the river cruises originate on the Mandovi, near the new Patto bridge. Last evening they had a mock "drill" of a terror attack in Patradevi [the suspended PI Nelson Albuquerque has since been reinstated and put in charge of Immigration and SPCA as per the latest flash at 10 P.M.He must have paid the arrears due higher up.]. Many vehicles damaged their clutch-plates crawling through traffic at Panaji, Mapusa and .. Patradevi ...due to Police checks on photo identity to locate the "terrorists". I do not know if LeT or JuD issue ID cards that bear their names and identify the bearers as "Fidayeen" or "terrorist". The Police do not know, either but they hope to find out, at least before they die. ;-) In the meanwhile Russia has issued an advisory to avoid Goa like plague. The cops are waiting for UK, Germany and Portugal to do likewise. Then they can sit in the beach shacks and relax with Kings beer with nary a tourist in sight, save the reported 1,300 sailors and marines on shore leave from the two ships of US Seventh Fleet at MPT and GSL, Vasco, where their ships are being serviced. Mog asundi Miguel Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:50:24 +0530 (IST) From: Miguel Braganza Subject: [Goanet] Bunkers or Bonkers? Message-ID: <433731.5307...@web8704.mail.in.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dears, Then the whole world went crazy. You bet it has scared away even the tourists who were courageous enough to stay back after the terrorist threat. Israel, which sends its conscripted Army recruits as tourists, has issued a Travel Advisory to withdraw from Goa by this weekend and NOT to stay in Goa "during the second half of December, 2008" according to the TTAG Chairman. We have do have have full-blooded 'Sardars' at the helm of affairs in Goa, but no Goan expected such a cruel joke on the mainstay of the State's economy: Tourism. Talk about furthering the cause of the LeT terrorists! Miguel -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:00:28 -0500 From: "Bosco D'Mello" Many people voted for Obama because they disliked Bush!! And Mario tells us regularly why people dislike Bush. Mario responds: Actually, post election polls showed that many people voted for Obama because they were clueless. See www.howobamagotelected.com Excerpt: Wilson Research Poll The 12 "Zogby" questions were duplicated, one on the Keating scandal was added for extra balance. The results from Obama voters were virtually IDENTICAL in both polls. Here are the highlights: 35 % of McCain voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct. 18% of Obama voters got 10 or more of 13 questions correct. McCain voters knew which party controls congress by a 63-27 margin. Obama voters got the “congressional control” question wrong by 43-41. Those that got "congressional control" correct voted 56-43 for McCain. Those that got "congressional control" wrong voted 65-35 for Obama. The poll also asked voters to name all the media sources from which they got information. Those “exposed” to Fox News got "congressional control" correct 64-25 (+39) Those “exposed” to CNN got “congressional control” correct 48-38 (+10) Those “exposed” to Network news got “congressional control” correct 48-39 (+9) Those “exposed” to print media got “congressional control” correct 52-37 (+15) Those “exposed” to MSNBC got “congressional control” correct 55-35 (+20) Those “exposed” to talk radio got “congressional control” correct 61-29 (+32) Voters in the "South" had the best response rate on “congressional control” (+22) Voters in the "Northeast" had the worst response rate on “congressional control” (+9) Those “exposed” to Fox News voted 70-29 for McCain. Those “exposed” to CNN voted 63-37 for Obama. Those “exposed” to MSNBC voted 73-26 for Obama. Those “exposed” to network newscasts voted 62-37 for Obama. Those “exposed” to national newspapers voted 64-36 for Obama. Those “exposed” to talk radio voted 61-38 for McCain. Those that could associate Bill Ayers' name/story with Obama voted 52-48 for McCain (We added Ayers name to the "Zogby" question and it significantly increased the rate of correct response, indicating a very superficial grasp of the overall story). Those that knew Obama had made negative comments about “coal power plants" voted 76-24 for McCain. Those that knew Obama had his opponents knocked off the ballot in his first campaign voted 66-34 for McCain. McCain voters did poorly (only 42% correct) on the Keating question and,in general, the voters did universally worse on questions where the negative information was about their candidate Women under 55 did worse than they might have by guessing on four of the thirteen questions, and yet 95% of them knew that Palin was the candidate with a pregnant teenage daughter. Even 95% of those in this demographic group who didn't know “congressional control” got this question correct. Those “exposed” to MSNBC “scored” 90% correct on the three Palin questions (including an incredible 98% on the “pregnant teenage daughter” question), while those not “exposed” to MSNBC averaged 84% correct on those three questions.
[Goanet] Trains: If wishes were horses, beggars would ride..
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride Similarly, if wishes were trains, beggars would travel (to Goa) ? See pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextras/2813640886/ If that’s so, then beggars have something to cheer this Christmas The much awaited Patna-Vasco train likely to start later this month. So, each time the 18 boggie train could bring up to 1500 .. Welcome to Goa No where to sleep? then Contact CCP or Panjim Police to secure you a place here http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim2/3100232653/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Links with Goans from Africa
Dear All, I need to contact Goans from all or any of these countries for my book about Goans and their lives in Africa. Whilst I have quite a few contacts from Goans in the erstwhile British East Africa and a contact in Burkina Faso, I wish to link up with Goans from South Africa (RSA) and other areas like Zimbabwe, Zambia, Angola, Mozambique, North Africa - Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Libya, Morocco, West Africa - Nigeria and Congo, Ruanda Urundi etc. Please do excuse me if the names of some of these countries are out dated. I shall be most grasteful if you could help me in this matter. -- Tony Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470 148 M: +91 9975162897 E: tonyde...@gmail.com --- Things do not change; we change. - Henry David Thoreau
Re: [Goanet] Goanet highlights: 12 NRI Goans set off on a trip to trace
Please don't just come to Goa to trace your roots be a part of it , see to yourselves the roots have become weak they need to be strong be it politcally, socially , economically , or rather in every sense, let's built Goa for our future generations. Goanet highlights 12 NRI Goans set off on a trip to trace their roots in Goa. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/084954.html
Re: [Goanet] FESTIVAL OUTREACH COMMUNITY PROGRAM
--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Nasci Caldeira wrote: > Why this obsession with Vidya Vikas academy only. Relatives, friends? > There are other leading schools like Loyola and Fatima, in Margao. > Is Melinda and Goa Sudharop biased? Hi Nasci, Good to hear from you and before I forget, let me publicly thank you for your generous donation to Goa Sudharop. Some clarifications: 1. The Festival Outreach Community program is NOT a Goa Sudharop event or sponsored program. It is hosted independently. 2. As far as Goa Sudharop activities with Vidya Vikas Academy are concerned, it should be noted we found them willing, enthusiastic and sharing the Goa Sudharop spirit and mission, as also offering to us their full co-operation and infrastructure. The Chairperson of the school Mr. S.H.N. Gaunekar, and Principal, Mr. Alan Rodrigues are both forward-thinking and energetic and enthusiastic individuals and a good fit for Goa Sudharop activities. 3. Vidya Vikas Academy is often a Venue where other schools send representatives (teachers, students) for Goa Sudharop events. It is no different than HOTEL MANDOVI being the venue for many Goa Sudharop functions due to location and other logistical reasons. We have nothing against other hotels in Goa, it just makes sense to have a certain venue. 4. Loyola and Fatima High Schools, among MANY other schools, have been participating in and benefiting from the various activities conducted by Goa Sudharop, and held at Vidya Vikas Academy. If there is any interest in an Goa schools in hosting Goa Sudharop educational/environmental events or partnering with us, please contact our representative, Ibonio at meli...@hotmail.com. 5. Besides Vidya Vikas Academy, we have been partnering with other institutions as well in different areas where the neighboring schools have been benefiting. The institutions we have been working in these other areas and whose infrastructure is available to us, are: Maria Bambina Convent School, Cuncolim, Cuncolim Educational Society Complex, Cuncolim, G.V.M's College of Education, Ponda, and Fr. Agnel Educational Complex, Pilar. The other institutions with whom we will partner, and who have offered their infrastructure to us are: Sharada Mandir School, Miramar, Panjim, and St. Thomas High School, Aldona. I hope this explains our working arrangement with other institutions. Since we have limited resources, infrastructure and facilities we need to partner on a case-by-case basis. We are open to any partnership, consistent with our aims and objectives. Thank you for your support. Regards, George Pinto
[Goanet] GBA facilitated interaction on "participatory planning" with Vinod Kumar
Mr. Vinod Kumar of MAITHRI today interacted with the people at a programme in Panaji on Saturday facilitated by the Goa Bachao Abhiyan to promote a better understanding of the Participatory planning process. Ms.Sabina Martins welcomed the participants and introduced the Resource person. Reboni Saha, Secretary of GBA, explained how to read the Village map and the DRP 2021 Village Plan showing the changes brought about by Gazette notifications after RP 2001 and the proposed changes in different colour schemes. Many villagers present protested that they have not received three maps [Taluka, village and DRP 2021] but just two maps in the "Kit" given tothe Panchayats. As in the case of Terekhol,Pilerne, Salvador do Mundo, Chicalim and Poinguinim reported earlier, the villagers of Arpora, Nuvem, San Jose de Areal and others complained that forest land and wetlands were shown as orchards or even as settlement in their villages. Reboni offered the GBA's services to the village Committees to help over-lay the village plans with Google Earth imagery provided the group brings a scanned or digital image of the village plan available at the Panchayat or from TCP Dept. One of the participants, Sukhad Keshkamat from Nuvem, presented Google Earth pictures showing the NH-17 highway passing through Nuvem and Verna. There is a need for transparency and coordination in the planning process, he said. Mr. Vinod Kumar presented the GBA with a set of books on Village Planning, Capacity building, Women's empowerment, Gram Sabha and other topics of interest in the planning process. On Sunday there will be a presentation at Burmar-Agonda for villagers of Agonda and Khola in association with the members of the two Panchayats. The Aldona Bachao Abhiyan has organised a meeting at the Tercena which will be addressed by members of ABA and invited speakers including Geraldine Fernandes of GGRM, Soter D'Souza of CPR and Miguel Braganza of GBA. St.Xavier's HS., Moira, is hosting a three day exhibition on Environment at the school premises. It started on Saturday and will end on Monday at 1 P.M. GOACAN, DST&E,GEDA and other organisations are supporting the event. It is open between 10 A.M. and 5 P.M. on Sunday Mog asundi Miguel Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/win/
[Goanet] Facing upto issues re: Arundhiti's article
Fred writes: >r maybe we are in denial and just don't want to face up to the issues... FN 2008/12/13 Samir Kelekar : > I agree with Santosh. Arundhati Roy has made a hash of the article this time. > She has lost clarity and is just blurting out whatever that comes to her mind Hi Fred Can you elaborate here on which issues you are talking about here? I mean "issues" is a very generic term, and one can be in denial of lots of things. The very long article of Arundhiti however obfuscates the issues even more. I mean I could have understood if the Narmada land-displaced tribals had done a seige over Hotel Taj and killed people, then she could have made a point. But what the terrorists in Pakistan have to do with Narmada displacement ? Do they even have sympathy with the displaced tribals ? All they are after is their brainwashed image of "India" whatever that means, and Kasab. the arrested terrorist has even acknowledged that they were shown video tapes of Modi's speeches to motivate them. You have to agree that Arundhiti has made a big boobo of her article this time. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
I think the Sonal Shah episode raises a few questions about the nature of the Indian elites, particularly their opportunism. RESPONSE: Opportunism is practiced by elites and others vis-avis everyone. Haven't we seen a Rajan Parrikar fulminate against 'ghantis' back home, and then proudly hold up his US ballot paper to the camera and tell us (quite late in the day, when the direction of the wind was more than clear) that he was a proud Obama supporter? RESPONSE: Many people voted for Obama because they disliked Bush!! And Mario tells us regularly why people dislike Bush. Does Sonal Shah reflect just the opportunism of the Indian expat, or also the gullibility/machiavellianism of an Obama, willing to settle in office and not too worried about the compromises with whomever at the ideological level? RESPONSE: America the land of opportunity - where all things are possible. It is unlikely the average expat knows fully well the extent of their involvement with organizations connected 'back home'. In 30-odd days we will know whether Obama has dressed himself in a straight-jacket trying to be everything to all people. Ms. Shah, former member of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, has said if she could have anticipated the outfit's role in the 2002 communal violence in Gujarat, she would have never associated with its U.S. branch, a year before the incident. This is an ingenuous argument. I guess all those who joined the Nazi party before 1939 could have said the same. We all know the ideology of any organisation we join, and we are guided by that. RESPONSE: As a first-generation American at a very early age, it is possible that one is not aware of the extent of the activities of the VHP 'back home'. This individual is a high-performer, perhaps with a busy professional/family life, happy to lend a hand and her name to the country of her roots - India via the VHP. Perhaps Sonal Shah should be judged by her work going forward rather than her associations of the past. Perhaps we are far too obsessed with this story and forgetting issues closer to home. - b
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote: > > I think the Sonal Shah episode raises a few questions about > the nature of the Indian elites, particularly their opportunism. They > are conservatives/reactionaries back home, but very progressive > when it comes to sitting under the umbrella of diversity and > sharing the fruit of some other culture. > Sonal Shah came to the U.S. when she was four. Perhaps, Frederick was politically active at that age. Facts indicate that she has never participated in Indian politics. Those who know her - Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. - vouch that she is not, and has never been, a Hindu extremist in her thinking or her deeds. She has no connection with Rajan Parrikar. So what facts is Frederick relying on to draw his conclusions? In the following, Frederick speculates left and right, asks some questions based on these speculations and brings up the Nazis. He suggests that Sonal Shah is guilty by her associations, and because he is not aware of her prior denunciations of Hindu extremists. He does not tell us whether he knew her personally, so as to be privy to her thoughts. He does not seem to require, however, that her accusers who are members of the Communist Party renounce their affiliation, and denounce the crimes of Stalin, etc. The main accuser Vijay Prashad has even praised Ho Chi Minh. But his speculative post leads me to ask Frederick the following questions: 1. Does he believe that Sonal Shah is a Hindu extremist who believes/has believed in the Hindutva ideology and practices/practiced communalism? 2. Does he believe she condones violence, and has condoned the Gujarat genocide? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Frederick "FN" Noronha wrote: > > This is an ingenuous argument. I guess all those who joined > the Nazi > party before 1939 could have said the same. We all know the > ideology > of any organisation we join, and we are guided by that. > > > In a statement, obtained and posted by NextGov and the > National Journal, > > the Google executive said the 2002 Gujarat carnage was > one of the "most > > profound tragedies" in the long history of the > state when "extremist > > political leaders, including some associated with the > VHP, incited riots > > that resulted in the deaths of thousands." >
Re: [Goanet] The History Of The Goan Overseas Association (Toronto)
I AM TRYING TO CONTACT AN OLD FRIEND CARINA REMEGIA FERNANDES BORN IN NAIROBI KENYA 7 NOV 1946. CAME TO UK AND LAST SEEN IN BRISTOL. 1970. I BELIEVE SHE EMIGRATED TO CANADA AFTER 1970 AND IS POSSIBLY NOW MARRIED. I WOULD BE GREATFULL IF YOU CAN HELP KIND REGARDS brian.bet...@ntlworld.com
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Windows 1900
Talking Photos: Windows 1900 Well, you may have seen or heard of Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 1998, Windows 1995 etc Ever seen or heard of Windows 1900 ? Check this out Windows (6) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3104792670/sizes/l/ windows (3) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3103960461/sizes/l/ Window http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3103960253/sizes/l/ And all the above windows are not a product of Microsoft but .. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099535139/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Talking Photo: This is also a Pilar but in Seraulim
This is also a Pilar but in Seraulim http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3104793362/sizes/l/ I was always under the impression that this church was of St. Sebastiao. That's what I thought I saw while travelling by train to Margao and back. Prev. Ans, Chicalim Church (see more details here) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099536153/ Please identify this beautiful Church The church http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099536153/sizes/l/ a close-up http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3100369868/sizes/l/ This is infront of the church (AMFT) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099536393/sizes/l/ Some Clues: - I also saw some monkeys running around - Not in north Goa - Not in Ponda, Canacona, Sanguem, Quepem Taluka - It’s not on the main Road joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (13Dec08)
R.I.P. Goa's Natural Heritage - Courtesy: Mine Owners "Literally digging Goa's Grave to get (Filthy) Rich Quick" To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
--- On Sat, 12/13/08, Samir Kelekar wrote: > > Very good points re: Sonal shah, Marshall. > > She has come clean now denouncing the pogrom by VHP. But it > could be just an opportunistic statement because of compulsions. > > Should we take her by the words that she is speaking now or > not, is the question. > Hi Samir, Are you sure you are comfortable with taking Marshall and the writers of the articles he posts by their words, but not Sonal Shah? Is Marshall more truthful than Sonal Shah? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1579
Didnt know this guy has a sense of humour too. Unfortunately it is as pathetic as his writing. Dotor, it is evident from your writing that your expertise lies elsewhere. You are a perfect specimen of 'If you cannot convince, confuse them' adage.Indeed, as much as yourself. Please do something productive, instead of forever entertaining free of cost. Lord, forgive him for ever thinking of trying to 'educate' others. Beast regards too!! Mario Fernandes > From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" > Subject: [Goanet] Goanet > Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1567> To: > Message-ID: > <4940ec0f.0e1b6e0a.70a2.b...@mx.google.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="us-ascii"> >> > My Response: I pray . Oh my Lord Jesus .. forget > what I have done wrong by> taking birth on this planet and yet trying to > educate the person(s) on this> planet. > > My question to Lord Jesus: would > you help the person with your name writing> rubbish? > > Beast regards,> > > Dr. U. G. Barad> > > > _ Register once and play all contests. Increase your scores with bonus credits for logging in daily on MSN. http://specials.msn.co.in/msncontest/index.aspx
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Oh, Tisrio addliai ghe..
Talking Photos: Oh, tisrio addleai ghe!! i remember those days where some women folks were selling Tisrio (Clams) and they would shout in a louder voice.. Oh, Tisro addleai ghe.. My mon used to say.. Aghe modon, tisrio koxio diliai ghe? Modon would reply: Chaar Annean poll bai Now, what is poll? Poll is an unit of measurement and the same is still used by Festache Chonnekar. The various unit of measurement like poll, paili, etc are seen in this pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk2/121767390/ This is Tisrio collection near St, Jancit Island http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099534777/sizes/l/ Tisrio, to collect this much quantity, it would take 3-4 hours http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3100367948/sizes/l/ st, Jancint island http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099535359/sizes/l/ Another mini island http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3100368840/sizes/l/ Tisrio with mini Island http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3099535693/sizes/l/ Tisreamchem sukkem, hobodda lagota. Many Fish Curry Rice , Thali items provide a portion of tisrio as std. Traditonally, there can be no Kunnbi Wedding without Tisrio dish joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Gott’tton
Talking Photos: Gott’tton Ever heard people cursing..? Tujem padd poddom, tujea ghorachem gott’tton zaum Well, this is what happens if you do not come back to Goa And this is called ‘gott’tton’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3104792328/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3104791942/sizes/l/ The above pic is taken from Cansaulin, muddier joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy: Mumbai was not our 9/11 | World news | guardian.co.uk
Or maybe we are in denial and just don't want to face up to the issues... FN 2008/12/13 Samir Kelekar : > I agree with Santosh. Arundhati Roy has made a hash of the article this time. > She has lost clarity and is just blurting out whatever that comes to her mind.
[Goanet] Outlook- Letters to the Editor
I came across two thought provoking letters to the editor of Outlook. Thought of sharing with you. Quote: After all that I've read and heard about the attack on Mumbai, I feel it's my fault. I'm the one to blame. Why? Because I live my life pretending nothing can happen to me (until it hits home like this); Because I take my security for granted all the time; Because I've become blind to other people's problems—in Kashmir, in Assam and more. Because I continue to tolerate and even justify violence when it is in my interest. Because I've spent the last five years telling my government that our priority is infrastructure and development when it should have been security; Because I haven't demanded accountability from my elected representative; Because I suggested that martial law would be better without realising that 20 years of that hasn't fixed Kashmir or the Gaza; Because the only thing I would think of if I was caught in the crossfire is how I could save myself and my family; Because there is so little I am willing to sacrifice for security. I will feel bad in the immediate aftermath but after a month, I would have moved on; Because I complain about paying taxes; Because I have a very long list of what I expect from my country and government, but virtually nothing on what my country can expect from me. And more than anything because I have neither the attention span, nor the will or dedication required for being vigilant even if others aren't. What am I going to do about it? I'm still figuring that out. Karan Manral, on e-mail Quote: Where the heart is heavy and the head is bowed; Where evil, greed and hatred have right of way; Where morals, values and ethics have vanished into the oblivion of the past; Where integrity and loyalty are up for sale, for a crore of rupees; Where the security of a nation is unashamedly offered on a platter to lesser forces of evil; Where ugly, soulless, corruptoids stuff their ever-widening bellies with the lives and well-being of a billion people; Where a once eminent bureaucrat, who has since crossed over to the dark side, mumbles about retaliation; Where the common man stands watching helplessly in mute disbelief and disgust; Into that hell of bondage, my father, I've awoken. P. Kamat, Bangalore Unquote: Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] FESTIVAL OUTREACH COMMUNITY PROGRAM
Nasci Caldiera wrote: Why this obsession with Vidya Vikas academy only. Relatives , friends? There are other leading schools like Loyola and Fatima, in Margao. Is Melinda and Goa Sudharop biased? __ Dear Mr Caldiera, 1)For your information,this program has nothing to do with Goa Sudharop.It is in association with the P.T.A(Parent teacher association) 2)Vidya Vikas Academy are neither relatives ,nor friends.It is the school which my twin girls attend in Margao.I volunteer my time at the school.This program is an endeavour to teach our students caring and sharing.The students have contributed Rs ten each, gifts as well as snacks willbe given to 175 physically and mentally challenged children.The entertainment program includes items performed by these "special children " as well. What exactly are you bugged about Mr Caldiera? I thought Goanet was a public forum ,where information could be posted ,to reach out to people.This program is a free community event. I live in Goa, I am aware that there are many fine outstanding schools in Margao.If anyone wants to write about Loyola and Fatima,they are free to do so. Lighten up,Mr Caldiera .Let the joy and peace of the festive season pervade our hearts. Regards, Melinda
[Goanet] “Every Indian should obey court decis ion/verdict” is this statement is correct?
Dears, "Every Indian should obey court decision/verdict" is this statement is correct? If yes which court? (in my view point) 1. Panchayat 2. Taluka 3. District 4. Session 5. Other court before high court 6. High court 7. Other court before Supreme Court 8. Supreme Court 9. Other court higher then Supreme Court of India And most of this people's court And Spiritual court Tell me which court M.F. Hussain is not guilty in which court? Shri/Mr. or else Sandeep Hebel What did Rajiv Gandhi din when he was Prime Minister of India? All the other thinks you all folks know. It is not require to remember you all. I know that the writers of this site look to the grammatical mistakes? I request them to look on humanitarian ground not on grammar. With any regards. S. Sawaikar
[Goanet] Arundhati's solution to contain terrorism
"The only way to contain (it would be na?ve to say end) terrorism is to look at the monster in the mirror. We're standing at a fork in the road. One sign says Justice, the other Civil War. There's no third sign and there's no going back. Choose." Dear Dr Helekar Without claiming to be some sort of authority I would like to offer a possible explanation for Roy's concluding remark. Look at the monster in the mirror = implies the monster is within Justice = the terrorism within needs to be addressed in a fair manner. Civil War = the absence of justice and continued terrorism within the country could spell the beginnings of a civil war. Perhaps Arundhati implies that when terrorism within stops the terrorists from across the border will stop their tit-for-tat games which perhaps began with the demolition of the Babri in 1992 by self-seeking politicians obsessed with power. It works. Ask Narendra Modi. If the BJP has a hero it is he. Regards Tony Martin
[Goanet] Arundhati Roy: Mumbai was not our 9/11 | World news | guardian.co.uk
Santosh writes: >I read the article. I am embarrassed to tell you that I did not understand >>what she is trying to say. I am particularly puzzled by what the following >>concluding paragraph means. It is apparently her solution to the terrorist >>problem. >"The only way to contain (it would be naïve to say end) terrorism is to >look >at the monster in the mirror. We're standing at a fork in the road. >One sign >says Justice, the other Civil War. There's no third sign and >there's no going >back. Choose." >...Arundhati Roy I agree with Santosh. Arundhati Roy has made a hash of the article this time. She has lost clarity and is just blurting out whatever that comes to her mind. In my opinion, what she has in mind is this "terrorism has arisen because of frustrations of people. In issues such as displacement of land as in the Narmada valley, govt. is riding rough shod over the people. This gives rise to frustrations and people take to means like terrorism." But in this case, she should be talking about the Narmadas in Pakistan and not here because the terrorists came from Pakistan. When she means justice, I think she means justice for the downtrodden. But I think this incident, specially the Mumbai attacks, doesnt fit her argument well. I have a feeling that she first decides on the conclusion of her article and then uses all her writing skills to justify that. And there are of course papers like Guardian to publish anything she blurts out. Btw, I have high respect for Arundhiti and her courage. Just that she is going overboard here and losing her marbles. She might not care however, because she perhaps wouldnt even claim that her writing is logical, and she would say she just wants to make a political point. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Very good points re: Sonal shah, Marshall. She has come clean now denouncing the pogrom by VHP. But it could be just an opportunistic statement because of compulsions. Should we take her by the words that she is speaking now or not, is the question. samir
Re: [Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
I think the Sonal Shah episode raises a few questions about the nature of the Indian elites, particularly their opportunism. They are conservatives/reactionaries back home, but very progressive when it comes to sitting under the umbrella of diversity and sharing the fruit of some other culture. Haven't we seen a Rajan Parrikar fulminate against 'ghantis' back home, and then proudly hold up his US ballot paper to the camera and tell us (quite late in the day, when the direction of the wind was more than clear) that he was a proud Obama supporter? Does Sonal Shah reflect just the opportunism of the Indian expat, or also the gullibility/machiavellianism of an Obama, willing to settle in office and not too worried about the compromises with whomever at the ideological level? We have also seen expats do cartwheels over Sonal Shah. The logic seems to have been "she's one of our own, she should be supported at any cost". > Ms. Shah, former member of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, has said if she > could have anticipated the outfit's role in the 2002 communal violence in > Gujarat, she would have never associated with its U.S. branch, a year > before the incident. This is an ingenuous argument. I guess all those who joined the Nazi party before 1939 could have said the same. We all know the ideology of any organisation we join, and we are guided by that. > In a statement, obtained and posted by NextGov and the National Journal, > the Google executive said the 2002 Gujarat carnage was one of the "most > profound tragedies" in the long history of the state when "extremist > political leaders, including some associated with the VHP, incited riots > that resulted in the deaths of thousands." > In an E-mail sent to her supporters, Ms. Shah asked for help in combating > the allegations and expressed apprehension that Mr. Obama transition > team could ask her to resign. > "I need your help," wrote Ms. Shah. "This is gaining legs as the National > Journal also picked it up and likely Fox. I need to mobilise people > against the leftists and the right wing. There is a likely chance that they > will ask me to resign as team does not need my publicity." Ms. Shah > has formerly been with the Goldman Sachs and served as a Treasury > Department official in the Clinton administration. http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/12/stories/2008121255371400.htm This is amazing. She seems to realise, six years after it happened, that the anti-Muslim riots were one of the "most profound tragedies" ... mainly because she could lose her post on the Obama team? This incident reflects on Obama and the power of compromise, it reflects on expats and their attitudes to issues back home (besides a degree of ideological opportunism). It also shows that, contrary to all we say, scratch us skin deep and our biases over religion come out strong. Even when we claim to be bereft of all religious influences, and agnostic or atheist in our approach! FN
[Goanet] Erotic Art in Hinduism.some insightful links
This is a response to some specific comments in another forum but am cross posting here in the interests of Art and to clear a lot of misgivings about Hussain. The links provided should do the trick! There are fascists and fundamentalists in all religions. In Afghanistan, the Taliban destroyed the Buddhist Bamiyan statues, which were historical and archaeological wonders. Here in India, we seem to be keen on doing the same. The tests of one religion cannot be applied to make a case of an offence in another religion. Beef is perfectly acceptable to the Catholics whereas it is considered unholy in the Hindu religion (or at least to a significant percentage of Hindus). Ditto with pork to the Muslims. So what may constitute an offence in one religion may not be an offence in another. Every religion has its own strengths and weaknesses. Hinduism has always portrayed its Gods and Goddesses in a liberal manner, including in an erotic or a sensual way. That is the strength and the beauty of the Hindu religion. Radical outfits want to destroy the rich ethos and cultural heritage of Hinduism. Organizations like the Sanatan Saunstha and the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti are outfits which are chipping away the essence and spirit of Hinduism. It is unfortunate that Hindus are getting carried away by false and malicious propaganda by outfits who understand nothing of Art. Hussain is truly a shining luminary in India's glorious skies. His paintings are sensual masterpieces, similar to the thousands of sensual sculptures that adorn the houses of the Hindus. Let's not get carried away and apply the tests of other religions to determine what is right and what is wrong in Hussain's Art. Artists and sculptors in India have always played around with nudity in Hindu Art. By drawing Hindu deities sensually, Hussain has in no way abused Hinduism. He has merely replicating our age-old Hindu traditions which find our Gods uncovered and pure, where nudity has been widely used in art, including in countless sculptures and carvings on temple walls. The sensual depiction of Krishna with Radha and the Gopis can be traced in Rajasthani Art. http://www.geocities.com/radhainathens/links_files/intimate_radha-krsna.jpg http://www.geocities.com/radhainathens/links_files/radha-krsna0.jpg http://www.dhushara.com/paradoxhtm/tantra/krishna.gif Such Erotic depictions can be seen in the Lajja-gouris of El lora, the images of Modhera, Konark and Khajuraho, in various sculptures that are sold, and/or preserved and displayed in museums, in Temple Art and Temple Idols in various Hindu temples across the globe. Some links were provided in my earlier posts. Here are a few more. http://flickr.com/photos/gabisa_motonia/2376916635/ http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2232/2376916635_2f1993d1d0.jpg http://lh4.ggpht.com/_YKWqv2J0EeE/SM3hrQQ5hvI/BqY/7lsWC3QIOHw/SSA41365.JPG http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/lotus-sculpture_2030_19459196 http://flickr.com/photos/tx/2858839723/ http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/lotus-sculpture_2028_11262966 http://www.britishmuseum.org/images/ps185355_l.jpg http://lotussculpture.com/images/shiv4.jpg http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/lotus-sculpture_2031_0 http://rainer.typke.org/typo3temp/GB/07ac4f615c.png http://flickr.com/photos/tx/2858799469/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Erotic_depiction_at_Candi_Sukuh.jpg http://flickr.com/photos/cairodusk/3097771172/ http://flickr.com/photos/cairodusk/3096917107/ http://flickr.com/photos/brooksversusindia/104237514/ http://flickr.com/photos/shrimaitreya/311218100/ http://flickr.com/photos/tx/2859649636/ cheers Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Goan village names
Dear Antonio, The book written by Fr Joseph Vellinkar (he's at St Xavier's College Bombay), on the origin of Goan village names, makes for an interesting read. From the little I remember, the 'lim' ending you mention, is the abbreviated form of the Sanskrit 'halli', meaning hamlet. Regards, Reena Antonio Menezes wrote: The arrival of the Portuguese in Goa in 1510 was also accompanied by change in the names of villages throughout Goa. In keeping with the traditions of their language having words which often ended in nasal syllables, they altered Goan village names to suit their own palate to say the least. Most village names have ended in LIM as follows: Salcete: Ambelim (Assolna),Benaulim,Camurlim (Ambora),Cuncolim, Duncolim,Davorlim,Guirdolim, Loutulim,Navelim/Telaulim,Sirlim,Orlim,Seraulim, Vanelim and Velim. Mormugao: Cansaulim/Cuelim, Chicalim, Cortalim and Dabolim. Ilhas: Bambolim, Carambolim,Corlim, Gandaulim,Panelim,Navelim (Divar) and Talaulim ( Santana) Bardez: Camurlim (Colvale) ,Candolim, Cunchelim (Mapusa),Olaulim and Siolim. Names ending in AIM: Agassaim,Rassaim, Sirssaim,and Ucassaim Names ending in EM: Aquem,Bodiem, Caranzalem,Corjuem, Nuvem,Paliem,Sirvodem,Sodiem and Verem. Names ending in NIM : Chinchinim, Panzorconi and Vainguinim Names ending in RIM : Cavorim,Curtorim, Guirim,Panarim, Porvorim,Sinquerim and Tamborim. Names ending in SIM : Arossim, Azossim, Cavelossim,and Quelossim. Names ending in TIM : Batim, Betalbatim,Betim Goltim(Divar), Sernabatim,and Sinquetim Names ending in VEM : Tivim and Calvim Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. The mail is intended only for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed. The mail shall not be acted upon but destroyed promptly, if a person for whom it is not intended receives it. Opinions, conclusions and other information in the message that do not relate to the official role of the sender shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by ABP Pvt Ltd or its subsidiaries, associate companies, affiliates or its group companies.
[Goanet] Babri revisited
"In some ways the demolition of the mosque was like a mini reprise of Partition: a watershed event that radically changed the relationship between Hindus and Muslims, within this country and outside, and created a chain reaction of revenge and reprisal, which started with the Bombay blasts and subsequent riots of 1993 and continues to the present day.'" - Jug Suraiya (Times of India dt 13.12.2008) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3829639.cms Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] Daily Grook #303
DAILY GROOK #303 __ PLIGHT SLIGHT __ by Francis Rodrigues the most rotten part for gay folks, is they're often the butt of jokes! _ puns & word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _ http://2008goanconvention.com/nostalgia.php _
Re: [Goanet] Man of the Masses
speling mistek maybi haphend WE THE PEOPLE are happy to elect any man who provides free " DUKRANCHEM/GAYCHEM/KOMBIANCHEM MAAS" and declare him winner thus calling him/her "MAN OF THE MAAS" > --> > Message: 8> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:20:00 +0530> From: "Arwin Mesquita" > Subject: [Goanet] Subject : Man of the Masses> To: Goanet > Message-ID:> <7203d1730812120650v6193d175h8f8e623690565...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > I found it quite amusing to see recent birthday wishes for the Benaulim MLA;> calling him the Man of the masses. Which masses, are we talking about here?> Is he with masses of Colva & Benaulim gramsabhas against the mega-projects?> e.g. The Colva Masses are still wating for him to respond to their gramsabha> resolution, asking him to introduce laws in the last assembly session; to> permanently stop the mega-projects. Goan Masses today faces a lot of seriou s> issues i.e. Deterioation of Goan Identity; which will also seriously affect> Tourism in the long run, destruction of environment & ecology, rampant hill> cutting, destruction of our beaches & sand dunes, huge & uncontrolled> migrant influx which if not checked will soon put Goans into a minority,> severe lack of employment opportunities at sustainable pay scales which are> forcing Goans to migrate etc Clearly we should expect the Man of the Masses> to address all these issues.> > Arwin Mesquita (UAE)> -- Get news, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Check it out! _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline
[Goanet] Sonal Shah renounces VHP affiliation
Sandeep Heble:I somehow fail to understand why Marshall has joined the bandwagon of people, who are all out to tarnish the fair name of Sonal Shah with propaganda that is false, malicious and misleading. Response: First of all, let me assure Sandeep that I have not joined any bandwagon or campaign nor will I join one any time in future. I have too strong an independent mind for that. As an Indian and as a concerned citizen of this country I am disturbed by reports which appear in the press casting doubts about the integrity of a person who can influence important decisions in the US towards India. eg: see link below. Quote:"It's vital for Modi that Sonal eventually gets an important profile in the Obama Administration because an insider could influence or change policy decisions of the previous dispensation — notwithstanding Obama's known views on religious freedom." Uquote. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Will_Sonal_Shah_give_Narendra_Modi_visa_power/rssarticleshow/3690558.cms 2.Though Sonal Shah has renounced her association with the VHP and expressed her disagreement with its activities, it has come more as a reflex action than as a moral commitment. It is a fact that she has been associated with the VHPA. Her name has appeared on its website. She collected funds for the VHPA and other sangh parivar associated organisations ostensibly for the Gujarat earthquake victims, even though there were other reputed agencies like the Red Cross available. Here again, the funds were selectively distributed only among Hindu victims and muslims and dalits were specifically excluded and discriminated.(Communalizing Relief: VHP seizes earthquake opportunity," Statesman, Kolkata, 12 February 2001 and Vijay Dutt, "Discrimination in Distribution of Relief against Dalits in Gujarat Causes Concern," Hindustan Times, 27 February 2001) http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-522052,flstry-1.cms http://www.proxsa.org/newsflash/appendixe.html http://www.stopfundinghate.org/resources/Saff$/FebMar2004.htm http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-awaz270204.htm 3. When Sonal joined the VHPA, she could not have been unaware of its ideology and activities. VHPA is affiliated to the VHP. The VHP has been around for nearly 25 years. The hate and violent activities of the VHP are too well known and documented in reports of the Minority Commission, National Human Rights Commission, various Commissions of Inquiry, and other reports in the media. The VHP was intrumental in the destruction of the Babri Masjid in 1992, which was a watershed in communal relations. She was a member of VHPA during this period and did not disassociate herself. 4.When Sonal joined the VHPA, she must have been fully aware that the ideology of the RSS and its organisations stood for the supremacy of the hindus and the subjugation/ disenfranchisement of its minorities like muslims and christians. Why did she continue being a member? 5. Even after the 2002 Gujarat pogrom, Sonal continued to be associated with the sangh parivar. According to reports - (1) Ms. Shah delivered a keynote address at the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh young conference in 2004. The HSS is the U. S. branch of the RSS. (2) Ms. Shah delivered a keynote address at an Ekal Vidyalaya conference in Florida. The Ekal Vidyalaya's are schools set up in tribal areas. One Ekal Vidyalaya teacher, Mohan Lal, told Frontline reporter, T. K. Rajalakshmi, "We go for the RSS shakha [branch] meetings regularly. The teachers are selected only if they subscribe to the RSS way of thought." No amount of whitewashing or spin doctoring will wish the above facts away. As I wrote in an earlier post, I too would be proud to see an Indian in the inner echelons of the White House but it should be a person whom all of us Indians, whether hindu, muslim, christian etc can admire and be proud of. There are questions to be answered and Sonal Shah needs to come clean if she is to be believed. And the earlier the better. Regards, Marshall
[Goanet] What is more deadlier- Road accidents or Terror Attacs ?
ONLY THOSE DEATHS WHICH ARE ADVERTISED ON TV ARE "DEADLIER" ALL OTHER DEATHS ARE CONVINIENTLY TERMED AS " BRAKE FAILURE" > Message: 10> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:28:38 -0800 (PST)> From: Vinay Natekar > > Subject: [Goanet] What is more deadlier- Road > accidents or Terror> Attacs ?> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org> Message-ID: > <216876.15443...@web63505.mail.re1.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=iso-8859-1> > The Mumbai Terror Attacks have brought the whole > country together. It is startling to see people gathering, lighting candles > and showing so much anger at politicians and demanding action against the > preparators of this horrendous crime that is Pakistan. ?Handful of Terrorist > brought the nation of? 1.4 billion to standstill for 60? hours. The deaths of > 200 people ?and 400 others injured galvanised the nation. But however deaths > due to terrorism is not the only reason people die in our country.> It is > shocking to note that? appx. 100,000 people die every year in vehicular > accidents which is the highest in the world. ?India has 6 million vehicles > and the USA 250 mil lion vehicles yet India has 100,000 fatalities and the USA just 50,000 fatalities in vehicular accidents !> > > As per world road accident statistics? India has 1% of the vehicles in the world and 10% of the fatalities in vehicular accidents ! That is 10 times the world average. That measures up? almost 300 casualties ?a day due to ?road accidents? which ?is more than those ?died in Mumbai after 26/11? terror attacks.> And nobody speaks up against these deaths? in our country.> The reasons are pitiable state of ?infrastructure, no ?planning and? poor maintenance of our roads and above all? lax? traffic control and? law ?implementation of traffic rules ?and ?insufficient ?public transportation system. ?Not to mention the hardships faced by travelers because of ?over crowding and congestion. > 50% of children in Bangalore ?Mumbai? suffer from breathing difficulties due to air pollution caused by vehicular emissions which uses? adulterated fuel. Our Goan towns are no exception to above mentioned cities.> Regards> Vinay> > > > _ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
Re: [Goanet] Arundhati Roy: Mumbai was not our 9/11 | World news | guardian.co.uk
--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Ruby Goes wrote: > Goanetters, > Your weekend reading. > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy > I read the article. I am embarrassed to tell you that I did not understand what she is trying to say. I am particularly puzzled by what the following concluding paragraph means. It is apparently her solution to the terrorist problem. "The only way to contain (it would be naïve to say end) terrorism is to look at the monster in the mirror. We're standing at a fork in the road. One sign says Justice, the other Civil War. There's no third sign and there's no going back. Choose." ...Arundhati Roy Could anyone explain who she thinks is responsible for the Mumbai terrorist attacks, how justice will be served here, and what kind of a solution she is proposing in the above quote? Mario, Selma, Gilbert, Marshall, Rajan, Cecil, anyone? Cheers, Santosh
