[Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Gabe Menezes]

The founders of the G.O.A. U.K., in 1965,  who have passed away, must be
turning in their graves. It was not what they envisaged, I was there at the
inception as a teenager.

In the beginning the Association grew from strength to strength and grew
larger and more dynamic, especially later, when many Goans who were expelled
from Uganda, in the 70's set up home in the London area. The enthusiasm was
infectious and rival factions came together to moot the idea of buying a
club house with grounds.

This was realised in the early 80's with the purchase of a Clubhouse and
grounds in Beckenham, Kent. a sum in the region of £50-55k was raised
through the issuance of Debentures. Many Goans also gave willingly and had
their names inscribed on a 'Roll of Honour' Board. The property was
purchased for a sum of £120,000.

It was difficult and expensive to run the Club but it continued and survived
until the late 90's. When revenue could not meet the outgoings, Members were
forced to accept defeat and indeed the present President came in on a
ticket, on the condition that the property would be sold off.

The Gods that be, deemed otherwise and the Club House was burnt down in an
arson attack. The insurance money received together with the sale of the
grounds provided a healthy boost to the balance sheet.

What then, has gone wrong? The Membership has declined and is static at
present; this is mainly because there are around 600 Life members, of the
remaining 100 or so ordinary members, many joined for economic reasons. For
instance there are members in the Hockey squad who joined because they
receive a subsidy from the Association. Likewise the Annual Golf tournament,
which when it first took place encouraged many to become Members as it was
cheaper to enter the tournament being a Member because of the subsidy given.

The benefits being enjoyed it seems are not by the founding fathers or their
progeny. Cornel DaCosta's article of some years ago on 'The terminal decline
of the G.O.A' and similar Institutions World Wide must be a chilling
prophecy coming true.

We are rather fortunate here in London that the various Goan Villages
continue with their traditional Feast days but that too it seems, is closely
coming to an end. Some of the biggest Village organizations of yesteryear
just cannot pull in the crowds today.

It seems to me that within another two generations, most of the original
bulk of Goans in the U.K. who were former East African immigrants, will have
their children melt away into the larger population.

I would be very surprised indeed if my own, should they get married, choose
a Goan partner!

The hope lies in the new Goan immigrant straight off the plane, courtesy of
their Portuguese Passport. These Goans mainly reside within the Swindon
area, in fact at the recently concluded G.O.A. annual open day, there were
many who came from Swindon.

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Happy Ganesh Chaturthi

[Sandeep Heble]

http://tinyurl.com/m6w2d8

regards
Sandeep

[Goanet] How to Fight Aging and Stay Young

[Con Menezes]

How to fight aging and stay young.

Con
http://www.totalhealthbreakthroughs.com/2009/05/how-to-fight-aging-and-stay-young/

[Goanet] healthcare in US

[Carmen Miranda]

Eye opening article in The Guardian newspaper in UK. *Carmen Miranda*
Dying for affordable healthcare — the uninsured speak

In a week of claim and counter-claim about the merits of healthcare
provision in the US and UK, Ed Pilkington travelled to Quindaro, Kansas, to
see how the poorest survive

Audio slideshow: Free health care in Kansas
City

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US protesters demonstrate against healthcare reform. Photograph: John
Moore/Getty Images

In the furious debate gripping America over the future of its health system,
one voice has been lost amid the shouting. It is that of a distinguished
gynaecologist, aged 67, called Dr Joseph Manley.

For 35 years Manley had a thriving health clinic in Kansas. He lived in the
most affluent neighbourhood of Kansas City and treated himself to a new
Porsche every year. But this is not a story about doctors' remuneration and
their lavish lifestyles.

In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had
involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors
failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic
stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam.

Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree
that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch
22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health
insurance , no treatment.

He remained uninsured and largely untreated for his progressively severe
condition for the following 11 years. Blood tests that could have diagnosed
him correctly were not done because he couldn't afford the $200. Having lost
his practice, he lost his mansion on the hill and now lives in a one-bedroom
apartment in the suburbs. His Porsches have made way for bangers. Many times
this erstwhile pillar of the medical establishment had to go without food in
order to pay for basic medicines. In 2000 Manley finally found the help he
needed, at a clinic in Kansas City that acts as a rare safety net for
uninsured people. He was swiftly diagnosed with Huntington's disease, a
degenerative genetic illness, and now receives regular medical attention
through the clinic.

So how does he feel about the way the debate in the US has come to be
dominated by Republican-inspired attacks on Britain's NHS and other
"socialised" health services which give people the treatment they need even
if they cannot afford to pay for it?

"I find that repulsive and an absolutely bone-headed way to go," he says.
"When I started out practising I certainly didn't expect this would happen.
I thought the system would take care of everybody."

Over the last month President Obama's attempts to live up to his election
promise to extend healthcare to all Americans has stalled in the face of a
sustained rightwing guerrilla attack. Opponents of Obama's reforms have
succeeded in distracting attention from Manley and the 46 million other
medically uninsured, swinging the focus instead on to the "evils" of
publicly funded healthcare. The fear tactics were epitomised by Sarah
Palin's wholly inaccurate claim that the reforms would set up "death panels"
that would force euthanasia on to older people.

Such scaremongering has dismayed and infuriated Sharon Lee, the doctor who
now treats Manley in Kansas City. "I'm very angry, very angry," she says.
"Many of the people I treat have already been in front of a death panel and
have lost – a death panel controlled by insurance companies. I see people
dying at least monthly because we have been unable to get them what they
needed."

Lee's clinic, Family Health Care, is a refuge of last resort. It picks up
the pieces of lives left shattered by a health system that has failed them,
and tries to glue them back together. It exists largely outside the
parameters of formal health provision, raising funds through donations 

[Goanet] Goanet Reader: The syncretic tradition of Goan art (VM in Herald)

[Goanet Reader]

The syncretic tradition of Goan art

Goan art has developed from a universalist tradition that has
defied narrow boundaries of culture and religion.

By Vivek Menezes
vmin...@gmail.com

  August 20, 2009 was a proud day for democracy in
  India, as our little state of Goa showed the way to
  the rest of the country on the nagging, confounding
  issue of freedom of expression and its inevitable
  clashes with religious sentiments.

In the same week that the high-profile national Art Summit in
Delhi quietly perpetuated its disgraceful, craven ban on
Husain's artworks, it was marvellous to witness the robust
exercise in democracy that took place on the winding
Calangute-Candolim beach road, as Subodh Kerkar defied
threats to his life and went ahead with his public exhibition
of line-drawings, sculptures and installations of Lord
Ganesh.

Much credit is due here to Dr Subodh Kerkar, an irrepressible
showman who has built a mature international career for
himself without leaving his beloved Goa.

Despite pressure from politicians who should know better, and
likewise ignoring ugly anonymous threats to his life and
livelihood, Subodh stood firm where artists and institutions
across the country have chosen capitulation and retreat.

Credit is also due to the Goa police, particularly SP Bosco
George, who handled this sticky situation with clarity and
restraint, while allowing both sides the space for expression
that is guaranteed in the Constitution.

Credit is also due to the Hindu Janajagruti Samiti and its
allies. They exercised their right to assemble in protest --
and showed up in impressive numbers to do so -- while
conducting themselves with impeccable dignity. This peaceful
protest by more than 200 men and women leaves no doubt that
the HJS and its allies can be sincere about their complaints,
and are willing to engage in the democratic system to make
their point.

They do have the right to be offended by Subodh's artworks,
and to act on their objections in the manner guaranteed by
law. On August 20, 2009, it was clear that the HJS and Subodh
Kerkar could and would peacefully exercise their rights
without disrupting each other, and all the players involved
thus set a real benchmark for the functioning of Indian
democracy. It is an example that the rest of the nation must
emulate and learn from.

The most interesting thing about Subodh Kerkar's ceaselessly
prolific artwork has always been their rootedness in his life
experiences in the profoundly syncretic village culture of
Goa. This grounding in the Goan reality, nonetheless informed
by wide-ranging global awareness, makes Subodh an inheritor
of the magnificent tradition of paradigm-busting Goan artists
who created what the critic Ranjit Hoskote calls "an
invisible river" which has immeasurably enriched Indian art.

The very best pieces in Subodh's newly opened exhibition bend
your perceptions to allow the appreciation of an alternate
reality; it can take a beat or two before the twist makes
itself felt. This is the case with the single best work here
-- an emblematic piece of Goan art that should be in the
State Museum -- where the familiar, glowing contours of a
traditional Catholic family altar embrace a spare silhouette
of Ganesh. This is the syncretism of Goa writ in wood and
brass, layered with the history of conversion, and the dark
period of the Inquisition when the Hindus of Goa like
Subodh's own ancestors were driven to venerate easily
concealed cut-out images of Lord Ganesh.

  This deeply sincere piece is Subodh Kerkar at his
  instinctual best, and could only have emerged from
  within our precious Goan culture, where orthodoxies
  inevitably become blurred and useless, and the
  boundary walls between ostensibly competitive
  religious traditions are low, if they exist at all.

The impact of Subodh's lovingly adapted altar inevitably
brings to mind another medical student-turned-artist, the
mysteriously overlooked early modernist, Angelo da Fonseca.

It was the cusp of the 1930s. Heady nationalism had already
inflamed the imagination of his generation of Goans, so the
extraordinarily gifted young da Fonseca didn't just want to
be an artist, he wanted to be an Indian artist. Thus he
headed to Shantiniketan, to "become a sisya of the best
Indian artists of the century." It was a transformational
experience at the feet of the Tagores, for whom da Fonseca
was a prized pupil; for the rest of his life he stayed true
to the Shantiniketan tradition, which had at its core what
the eminent, inimitable Dr Jose Pereira describes as "an
eclectic vocabulary" that sought revival of the great
artistic traditions of the India.

In a soon-to-be-published landmark essay on da Fonseca's art,
Dr Pereira describes "a conflation of forms and techniques
from every source in the subcontinent, beginning with the
fifth century murals of Ajanta, and continuing with the
palm-leaf and 

Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc. ------Reply

[Ashley D'silva]

Dear Venantius,
If you can provide details of the exact purpose I could ask my classmate Col
NB Thapa stationed in Manipur -  commando regiment for taking up your
request in his area of posting.
ashley
email: ashley.dsi...@mycareinternational.com 

-Original Message-
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Venantius J Pinto
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:01 PM
To: Goanet Mail list
Subject: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc.



   August 20 - WORLD GOA DAY
Celebrating the inclusion of Konkani in the 8th schedule of the
Indian Constitution on August 20, 1992

For a list of World Goa Day events see:

http://worldgoaday2009.blogspot.com



Dear People,
Does anyone have an idea of who I talk to/approach to go as a member of
those expeditions that go to that go to the Arctic from Goa.
Also can any Senior army personel (Goan or otherwise) help me obtain
permission to live with our soldiesr so I can draw them and their lives on
our borders.

Any response much appreciated.

venantius j pinto

[Goanet] Gonnpoti

[JoeGoaUk]

Happy Ganesh Chaturthi to you all.
 
No one gave us Nevrio yet so we bought from a road side at Neura-o-pequen.
Rs.90 for 18 assorted (Rawa and Chana fillings)
 
Gonnpot Bapak budomya
Fuddlea vorsak vegin eyat
 
Ganapati Bapa Moriya
Fudle vorsik laukar ya
 
Moriya re Bapa moriya re
 
Deva re Deva
Ganapati Deva
Tumse badkar kaun?
Ham, Tumse bhatkar kaun?
 
Jai Jai Dev Jai Mangal Murti 
 
Jay Ganesha, 
Jay Ganesha, Jay Ganehs Deva
Mata Jaki Parvati
Pita Mahadeva
 
Let's see some (Art)  forms of Ganapati
 
if you can't see pics then follow the links provided.
 
 
Kelli panacho Gonnpoti (Kele pat'te ka Ganapati)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1393671526/sizes/l/

Baji-paleacho Gonnpati (Sabji ka..)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1393670112/sizes/l/
 
some more here
 
Ekacher Kitlexech Gonnpoti - Multiple Ganapati (Ek nahim par anek)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1392776531/sizes/l/
 
 
Pimplla panacho Gonnpoti (Pimpal jaad/patte ka)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1402725790/sizes/l/
 
Rukacho Gonnpoti (Jaad ka )
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1473143337/sizes/l/
 
Kazu biyamcho Gonnpot (Goa ke mashoor Kaju 'nuts' ka)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/147348/sizes/l/
 
Nalacho Gonnpot (Naryal ka Ganapati)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/2064900239/sizes/l/
 
Avtaar- , check what your right hand is on now (Kaju'Nut's ka)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/1473150591/sizes/l/
 
Fatracho Gonnpoti (Pathar ka..)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882022987/sizes/l/
 
Supurlo Gonnpoti (Bal Krishna-Ganesh?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882859204/sizes/l/
 
Kagtacho gonnpati (Kora Kagaz ka?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882022543/sizes/l/
 
Vazpi gonnpoti (Bajanewala)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882023833/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882024175/sizes/l/
 
Nalantlo gonnpoti (Naryal ke andaar rehenewala)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882857204/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2882021715/sizes/l/
 
Doshnni Fula-Gonnpati (Phul ka..)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauksix/236247961/
 
Bonus (He sab Kanewala?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/224561223/sizes/l/
joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] Daily Grook #492

[Francis Rodrigues]

DAILY GROOK #492
___

SWEET MEET
___
by Francis Rodrigues



a parking ticket
is quite bitter,
she who gives it
i'd like to meter!


__
http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com
in Panjim: Pedro Fernandes, GPO.
Furtados Music, near Mongini's.
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Stay on top of things, check email from other accounts!
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Re: [Goanet] The Right to Freedom of Speech (Letter in Herald)

[Eddie Fernandes]

Grow up George!  I have asked you three times previously to justify your
slurs by stating:

1. I wonder who posted that "Goa is a toilet"?
2. he published a hit piece by a so-called journalist on a Toronto couple a
year ago. 

Instead you have brought up again the question regarding "100% of real
estate transactions in Goa by British nationals are legal".  You have
refused to answer my questions to you about that too.

You claim that the answer I gave to your question was unsatisfactory but Dr
Colaco answered that far better that I could!  Besides, what is your answer
to your own question?

Will I have to continue to humiliate you by reminding you of your moral
bankruptcy?

Eddie Fernandes
==

-Original Message-
From: George Pinto
Poor Eddie, he never recovered from his fairy tale of "100% of real estate
transactions in Goa by British nationals are legal". 

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Eddie Fernandes  wrote:
> Folks,
> Watch Out! King of Smears is at work again!
> Eddie

[Goanet] Truth & Reconciliation in Kandhamal - One year on, crisis of State continues

[Marshall Mendonza]

http://www.orissadiary.com/ShowOriyaColumn.asp?id=14055

[Goanet] Solving healthcare cirises - End of life care

[Gilbert Lawrence]

It’s reported 27% of the Medicare budget is spent in the last year of life. 
Dartmouth Project of Healthcare reports that health cost in the last phase of 
life, ranges from $54,000 at Mayo, and Cleveland Clinic, to $93,000 + at UCLA, 
Cedars-Sinai, and New YorkUniversityMedicalCenter.  Cost-comparison of the 
country's top centers discounts “high technology” as the main cause for rise of 
healthcare costs.  
 
“Low-cost” hospitals provided better care.  Patients in “high-cost” hospitals 
spend more time in the last months of life dragged more frequently to see 
doctors, especially specialists; admitted to hospitals (including intensive 
care), and dying in a hospital, than at “low-cost” hospitals. 
 
Greater tragedy, such patients are more in need of quality time and TLC from 
their families, and to reconnect with relatives and friends than repeated 
medical tests and treatment procedures. This invariably occurs when patients 
turn up at the ER.  This is not an indictment of medicine. It is a failure 
of modern fast-paced society and absence of close family bonds. Yet, long 
before and after patients need high-technology care, doctors with a caring 
staff, can lay the groundwork, repairing family bridges, for such patients to 
reconnect and spend quality time with family and friends, long before the acute 
crises arises.  A high-tech and high-skilled facility (today’s hospital) is a 
poor substitute for a caring and loving home at the end of life.
 
Death and dying is a sensitive subject. But conversation on this subject cannot 
be avoided, perhaps starting at age 60. Often the older parents bring it 
up. Often the children raise the issue; and statistics show it is usually the 
daughters.  In the US only 17% of deaths occur at home; a much higher 
proportion in rural than urban society; and higher in traditional societies, 
which was USA till a generation ago.  
 
Today is Sunday. Have you re-connected with your parents, aunts and uncles?
Regards, GL

[Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc.

[augusto pinto]

Venantius Pinto wrote

"Does anyone have an idea of who I talk to/approach to go as a member of
those expeditions that go to that go to the Arctic from Goa.
Also can any Senior army personnel (Goan or otherwise) help me obtain
permission to live with our soldier so I can draw them and their lives on
our borders."

As regards Arctic expeditions N.I.O. are the people to contact:
http://www.nio.org/jsp/indexNew.jsp

With regard to the Army soldiers you will probably need clearance from
the Ministry of Defence besides the armed forces PR people.
http://itbp.gov.in/

If you know someone who knows the ropes with these bureaucrats then
great. Otherwise get  for ring a ring a roses. All the best.

Augusto



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40, Novo Portugal,
Moira, Bardez,
Goa, India
E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350

Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc. ------Reply

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

:
> Does anyone have an idea of who I talk to/approach to go as a member of
> those expeditions that go to that go to the Arctic from Goa

Antarctica? FN
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[Goanet] God and You

[Albert Desouza]

Albert writes:- God created the world out of love for human beings. The Israel 
were slaves and God brought them out from their slavery. Today man is also a 
slave like the Israel. There are no Egyptians in this context but from evil one 
within oneself. We have been under influence from the Romans, from the 
greece,from Egyptian cultures and belief. Are we still under the influence of 
the sun god Ra which the Egyptians once believed ? Today God is showing His 
power. The word of God is the food for both body and soul and mind of human 
beings. Today millions of people all over the globe are clinging to the word of 
God and have obtained salvation for their body and have been taken out of 
bondage of the evil one. There are thousand of people moving to the side of the 
believers and our clergy instead of finding a solution are busy criticising 
their religion as if they do not  follow christ and what do we follow ? We have 
to accept God the Father as the sole owner of this world. We have to accept 
Jesus Christ as the mediator between us and God. No human beings living or dead 
can take us to heaven. We have to be born again to achieve salvation and enter 
the kingdom of God. There cannot be two opinions on this . Man cannot dictate 
the nature of God's kingdom when He himself became Jesus (And the word became 
flesh and dwelt among us ) and when Jesus himself has given us assurance that 
it is he who can take us to the Father.We have to make time to pray to the 
Father and the prayers must come from the heart instead of reading from text 
books. Our prayer service and even our mass is a stereo player. Once you press 
the button the same song is played again and again so much that we ourselves do 
not know what we are saying. 

_
Log on to MSN India for a lowdown on what’s hot in the world today
http://in.msn.com

[Goanet] Ganesh Chathurthi with no water in Porvorim

[Vivian A. DSouza]

I bet that there is no such problem at Goa Assembly complex in Porvorim.


  

Re: [Goanet] healthcare in US

[Gabe Menezes]

2009/8/23 Carmen Miranda 

> Eye opening article in The Guardian newspaper in UK. *Carmen Miranda*
> Dying for affordable healthcare — the uninsured speak
>
> RESPONSE: Not my beef really and I certainly won't be joining the debate on
Fox; especially with impervious, unbelieveable stupid reasoning.

I have an inkling on how the US system works. It is the same in Saudi
Arabia, my son was bitten on his eye by a mosquito, the eye was swollen and
all he needed was an antihistamine.

This was given but he had to under go a stools test, urine test and blood
test - all of which cost money, irrespective of the fact that it was covered
by Insurance. This is more or less the same kind of system employed in the
USA.

I Was told this by a friend: A retired couple took all their savings to live
in the Sunshine State. They had to come back to the U.K. after the man fell
ill. He was in hospital for 14 days and had incurred a bill for USD30,000.
They realised that they would be bankrupt by the system or he would have to
suffer, endure and die. (Death Panel).  They hadn't found out what was wrong
with him. They returned to the U.K. where the NHS promptly found out that he
was suffering from Huntington's.

Thank God for the U.K.  A question for Goa residents, if one visits a
private hospital, like say Victor Apollo in Margao, would they milk you for
all that they can?
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

[Goanet] Selma Carvalho: Who the Bleep cares about Goan Clubs?

[Eddie Fernandes]

WHO THE BLEEP CARES. Weekly column by Selma Carvalho. 
Source: Goan Voice Daily Newsletter 24 Aug 2009 at www.goanvoice.org.uk

41. Who the Bleep cares about Goan Clubs?

Alvaro Colaco, born in Jinja, Uganda and rising to the position of Acting
Head of the Budget Department, Ministry of Finance, Uganda, wrote in the
40th Anniversary souvenir of the GOA, UK: "Regardless, wherever he goes, an
emigrating Goan carries in his heart that burning desire to be part of a
Goan community symbolized by access to a Goan Clubhouse." This statement was
only partly true for the emigrating Goan of the early 1900s who had no
tradition of belonging to a club and nor could he have imagined the central
place a club would come to occupy in his community.

The Club was a colonial appropriation by the Goans. It played an important
role in the lives of British and German officers and settlers in the
colonies of East Africa, deftly ensuring segregation from the indigenous
population while ensuring cohesion of their own community. Many of the
earlier clubs were gentlemen's clubs, barring entry to women. In a World of
Difference, Philip W. Porter writes: "In East Africa, the first structure
established in any colonial administrative settlement was usually The Club,
where colonial officers and their families would relax, drink their
'sun-downers' after work and reinforce their various prejudices." This idea
of exclusivity, cohesion and community, fits in well with the Goan psyche
and the first Uganda Goan Club, the Entebbe Goan Institute, came into being
on April 24, 1905, in Uganda. Later the Goans Clubs of East Africa would
fracture along caste lines to accommodate our own strident notions of
exclusivity.

Clubs and close-knit associations of this sort usually engender
sub-cultures, a spontaneous outpouring of collective energy which finds
release in the discovery of something entirely new, be it music or art
forms. The Goan Club in East Africa seems to have given rise to none of this
and yet change is often imperceptible to the human eye. Peter Nazareth,
author of The General is Up, wrote to me: "The Goan Institutes were the
center of the Goan social, sporting and religious life. The Entebbe Goan
Institute had a reading room, mostly for newspapers and magazines and it
also had beautifully bound books from way back. Even more important, the
Institute was a dynamo for what I would call living change; that is, the
events of the country affected it and were affected in turn by what happened
in the Institute." 

The Club with its spacious sports facilities, bar for sundowners, tranquil
reading rooms, where English was the predominant language, where
conversations revolved around the civil services, the education of their
children and news from Goa, became a catalyst for change. Thus began a slow
Anglicizing of this society while at the same time tethering it to Goa.
Writer Armando Rodrigues reminisced with me about those early days in
Uganda: "Concerts and Konkani plays were organised frequently by the Jolly
Boys. Marshall Fernandes was a good violinist, Ishmael Francis played the
drums, Beatriz Almeida played the piano.  After work got over at 4 pm, we
dashed home for tea and then to the Club. Ladies played badminton, cards,
men played tennis, field hockey, cards, carom and volleyball. After that, we
quenched our thirst at the bar, with the usual camaraderie of "my round or
your round." Favourite drinks were Bell beer, Nile beer or Scotch and soda.
Other diversions were fishing, hunting, walks, picnics in the famous
Botanical Gardens."  

The Goan Club or Association born on the plains of East Africa has been
imported by the Goans to the new Diasporas of the Gulf, the UK and Canada
but the Club House as a metaphor for the Goan community is a relic of the
colonial past and best left there. We have to find new ways of defining our
community is this changing world of amorphous relationships.

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Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

As I had mentioned a few weeks back, the new generation only looks upon Goa as 
one of their holiday destinations. The younger generation in westernised 
society have largely been brought up, whether for better or for worse, to think 
like the locals - yours like the British, and mine like the Aussies. Even 
children born in Goa who have migrated with their parents abroad, have largely 
forgotten their original roots, as they grow new roots in their country of 
adoption and make new friends, as I have observed here with a few Goan families 
settled here in recent years. That's life. 

Newcomers to diaspora, I mean the young ones who are migrating today, have 
pretty much a different mindset to the original Goans that migrated from Goa in 
the 50s - 80s. So I very much doubt whether they would continue the GOA 
tradition when their time comes. 

Just my thoughts.

Gabriel.


- Original Message 
From: Gabe Menezes 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Sunday, 23 August, 2009 7:08:38 PM
Subject: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

It seems to me that within another two generations, most of the original
bulk of Goans in the U.K. who were former East African immigrants, will have
their children melt away into the larger population.


  
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Re: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-6: HERALD(Goa), Aug 23, 2009

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

One of my colleagues from the Brazilian Naval Commission in Europe (170 Upper 
Richmond Rd, Putney, SW15), a Braziilain now living in Sao Paulo,  had once 
told me that her great-grandfather was a Goan from Ethiopia ...  


- Original Message 
From: Valmiki Faleiro 
To: Goanet 
Sent: Sunday, 23 August, 2009 10:14:28 AM
Subject: [Goanet] G'bye Goa - Goan Emigration-6: HERALD(Goa), Aug 23, 2009


On a more serious note, I arrived at 91 countries where Goans were, and another 
17
where they probably also were. Alphabetically:


Ecuador, Ethiopia.

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Re: [Goanet] The Right to Freedom of Speech (Letter in Herald)

[George Pinto]

Eddie refuses to grow up and continues to humiliate himself as he stands before 
the mirror and regally proclaims "King of Smears". 

To summarize: it started with his tooth-fairy tale: "100% of real estate 
transactions in Goa by British nationals are legal". Then when I refused to 
believe that nonsense as anyone with any inkling of what is going in Goa would 
do, he throws a child-like tantrum. 

First he smears me with the Mugabe reference. Instead of being man enough and 
withdrawing that comment, he attempts to insult me the next day as refusing to 
keep my word for refusing to answer his questions, as if I am under any 
obligation to answer his or anyone's questions (at that point I thought I be 
damned if I am going to respond to you). He continued to question my 
credibility and moral scruples, all this because I did not initially agree with 
"100% of real estate transactions in Goa by British nationals are legal", which 
by the way IF Eddie actually believed that nonsense implies that 100% of those 
British nationals are naive given how these transactions work in Goa. 

After his smear, insults, and slurs, Eddie expects me to engage in civilized 
debate and answer his questions!! YOU started the smear and insults and expect 
me to be civil? Take a hike Eddie, better yet, get some sleep.

George

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Eddie Fernandes  wrote:


Grow up George!  I have asked you three times previously to justify your
slurs by stating:

[Goanet] Aitaracheo Katkutleo: Good Manners Towards Others

[lino dourado]

  Good Manners Towards Others

Bore torechi chall sodanch bori mansungi samballta. Bori vagnnuk (good manners) 
mon’xak voilea zagear povoita. Tticher Gulhermina Dias de Rosario 12vea 
klasintlea videarteank bhaxonn ditali. Bhurgeamni bori vagnnunk koxi samballchi 
hache vixim thoddi bhov zannvai divn tanchea monant bore mansungechem kirnn 
zagoitali. 

"Carlos." Tinnem eka vidhearteachem nanv ghetlem

"Yes teacher" 

"If you were on a date, having supper with a cute looking young lady, how would 
you tell her that you have to go to the bathroom?" Carlosan chintukuch naslem, 
tticher Guilhermina oslo prons apnnank vicharit mhunn. Cheddvank lozpi Carlosan 
mhonnlem 

"Just a minute, I have to go piss."
 
Ha-ha, hu-hu mottea hanspan vidarteanim klas gazoili.

"Silence!"  Tticherin ogeponn samballunk formailem 

"Carlos, that would be rude and impolite. What about you Agnelo, how would you 
say it?"

Saddeaponnan ani xistin vagpi Agnelon mhonnlem.  "I am sorry, but I really need 
to go to the bathroom, I’ll be right back"

That’s better, but it’s still not very nice to say the word bathroom at the 
table. Tticherin sanglem.  

"And you Lapitt"

Lapitt-achem nanv ghenam borobor mukhlean, fattlean, bazun boslolim vidheartim 
Lapitta islean ghuvon, tachea tonddak polloit vhoddlean hansunk laglim. Lapitt 
tor khellan, sportan, machier bhumika korpan ani her kamani bhouch huxear punn 
xikpan mat il’loso zhodd aslo. Konnachei-i adharak pavpi akhach lagun taka Boro 
Samaritan mhonntale. Follam-Torkari kaddlelim nhoi, fokot zhadd piki khatalo. 
To ubo ravlo teddna klasint portean hanspacho kollkoll zalo. 

"Silence dear, silence please!!! Let him use his intelligence for once. Lapitt, 
how would you show us your good manners"
 
Lapitan, chintlem, chintlem ani soroll mhonnlem   "I would say: darling, may I 
please be excused for a moment, I have to shake hands with a very dear friend 
of mine, whom I hope you’ll get to meet after supper."

Klassint, talleancho ghonnghonn ghazlo zalear, tticher Guilhermina besudh 
(unconscious) zaun kala poddli. 
 
Lino B. Dourado

http://aitaracheokaskuleo.blogspot.com/

Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc

[Venantius J Pinto]

Thanks all. Goanet is now a clearing house for dangerous missions. COOL.

Fred, yes Antartica.

venantius j pinto


>
>

Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

2009/8/23 Gabriel de Figueiredo :
> As I had mentioned a few weeks back, the
> new generation only looks upon Goa as
> one of their holiday destinations. The
> younger generation in westernised society
> have largely been brought up, whether for...

While you guys are being pessimistic from afar, let me tell you why
I'm sitting in Goa and don't see everything in such black terms.

For the first time in generations, Goa is a place which is not
considered largely as a retirement home. People of my generation,
quite a few whom I know, have opted to stay on, make Goa base, raise
family here, work out of here, and find a satisfaction that only
meaningful work (not tonnes of money) can bring.

While we crib in cyberspace, many of them have gone on to build a
better Goa, in more ways than one!

Of course, many others have also opted to move out. But this has to be
seen in the background of the fact that it was, till very recently,
rather difficult if not impossible to earn a living in Goa, and
migration was a necessity, not an aspiration.

In the 1970s, many "Africander" Goans returned back, and lent a strong
vibrancy to our societies here. Their children, in many cases, have
moved back overseas by now. Some have stayed on.

But let's not miss the significance that Goa is no longer a retirement
home, where even finding a tenant for your empty home could be a tough
task (something our politicians were quick to realise!) FN
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Re: [Goanet] Arctic_Indian borders_Kargil_Nathu La, etc

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

Fred?

2009/8/23 Venantius J Pinto :
> Thanks all. Goanet is now a clearing house for dangerous missions. COOL.
>
> Fred, yes Antartica.
>
> venantius j pinto

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Re: [Goanet] healthcare in US

[lyrawmn]

Goanet:
 
Can anyone in explain why this Dr. Joseph Manley [referenced in the Guardian 
article] who said he served in Vietnam, was ineligible for any Veterans Health 
Benefits?
Or for either Medical (based on income) or Medicare (age) Health Benefits?
 
To date, there is no cure (or reversal) for Huntington's Disease; all care is 
palliative with prescribed anti-psychotic drugs and tranquillizers. 
The blood test referenced in the Pilkington article is for genetic testing 
( probabilities of HD ) based on presence of the HD gene. 
I. Nunes
 
--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Carmen Miranda  wrote:


From: Carmen Miranda 
Subject: [Goanet] healthcare in US
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:58 AM

 
In the furious debate gripping America over the future of its health system,
one voice has been lost amid the shouting. It is that of a distinguished
gynaecologist, aged 67, called Dr Joseph Manley.

For 35 years Manley had a thriving health clinic in Kansas. He lived in the
most affluent neighbourhood of Kansas City and treated himself to a new
Porsche every year. But this is not a story about doctors' remuneration and
their lavish lifestyles.

In the late 1980s he began to have trouble with his own health. He had
involuntary muscle movements and difficulty swallowing. Fellow doctors
failed to diagnose him, some guessing wrongly that he had post-traumatic
stress from having served in the airforce in Vietnam.

Eventually his lack of motor control interfered with his work to the degree
that he was forced to give up his practice. He fell instantly into a catch
22 that he had earlier seen entrap many of his own patients: no work, no health
insurance , no treatment.

He remained uninsured and largely untreated for his progressively severe
condition for the following 11 years. Blood tests that could have diagnosed
him correctly were not done because he couldn't afford the $200. Having lost
his practice, he lost his mansion on the hill and now lives in a one-bedroom
apartment in the suburbs. His Porsches have made way for bangers. Many times
this erstwhile pillar of the medical establishment had to go without food in
order to pay for basic medicines. In 2000 Manley finally found the help he
needed, at a clinic in Kansas City that acts as a rare safety net for
uninsured people. He was swiftly diagnosed with Huntington's disease, a
degenerative genetic illness, and now receives regular medical attention
through the clinic.

Re: [Goanet] The Right to Freedom of Speech (Letter in Herald)

[Eddie Fernandes]

George,

We are taking about what you have chosen to delete in your response - your
statements

1. I wonder who posted that "Goa is a toilet"?
2. he published a hit piece by a so-called journalist on a Toronto couple a
year ago.

That you refuse to justify or withdraw your smears comes as no surprise
whatsoever.

But I am amazed that you can even pretend to take a high moral ground.  I
reserve the right to remind you about these in the future!

Eddie

Re: [Goanet] Shabduli a goan flower and some more flowers

[JoeGoaUk]

Shabduli a goan flower and some more flowers
 
Thanks Helga,
 
Quote: I

My colleague Sawkar has the following question: "I need 
English word  for Shabduli, a little flower which blossoms generally in 
mosoon  evenings and wilts by morning. It has a mild fragrance and is 
either deep or light pink petals with lightest yellow stem. The plant is 
no more than 2 feet high".
 Please help us!
> Helga
 
4 o’clock / Mirabilis jalapa
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/3849579526/
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/3763058868/
 
Seen  this plants growing  up to one metre high.
The flowers can be of different colours such as white, yellow, pink etc
 
Shebdulem was very common female name in Hindu 
Community. So also Abolem, Zayu, Mogrem, Xeuntem etc
All named after flowers.
However, I did not know Shebdulem was a name of a flower until I read your 
post and it replies.
One of the Alfred Rose songs also reminds me of ‘Shebdulem’ or shebdulia’
 
If the above ‘Shebdulim’ flowers bloom at say at 4pm onwards then
‘Ratchi Rani’  I think essentially blooms after 9pm and hence named 
as ‘Ratchi Ranni’ Night Queen (of the flowers)
 
Ratchi Ranni
NIGHT BLOOMING JASMINE / Cestrum nocturnum
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/3747708704/sizes/l/
at night
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/3726830025/sizes/l/
 
 
the above two were recently also discussed at 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa/  
 
Quote: II
In response to Kalidas Sawkar's post another Goan asked the following:
"What are the English/botanical names of Sonchafa, Ratrani, Roganthola
and Kayrni".
===
 
For other query, see if your friend can point out which 
flowers he/she talking about just indicate the number and come back.
(Or give any link of  flower pic from the net)
I am sure you get the answer soon.
 
25-in1  (1-25)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/259314520/sizes/l/
 
25- in-1  (26-50)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/265424708/sizes/l/
 
20-in-1 (51-70)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/259314520/sizes/l/
 
another about 25 here (individually not compiled yet)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk3/
 


joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

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http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ 

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa 

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

I wonder what exactly "misery" in this context means. 

People can be poor yet be happy, rich yet miserable (Michael Jackson, Elvis 
Presley and Howard Hughes come to mind wrt the latter). 

Did the people not have food to eat? A place to sleep? How does one define this 
"misery"? Can someone clarify as I have not yet read Teotonio's book?

 
- Original Message 
From: Jose Agnelo do Rosario Pinto 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" ; 
Goanet 
Sent: Sunday, 23 August, 2009 6:31:06 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

Goans lived in misery under Portuguese: Teotonio
Written by RAMNATH N PAI RAIKAR
Friday, 21 August 2009 01:16  NAVHIND TIMES


  
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Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[George Pinto]

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न 
 wrote:
> 
> While you guys are being pessimistic from afar, let me tell
> you why I'm sitting in Goa and don't see everything in such black terms.


Frederick,

Is it racist to use "black" as a negative above? 

George

Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

No, it is just a black legend :-)

Cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Legend

FN

PS: Please tell us the truth about the latest spat on Goanet. Now, we
don't know the truth! I checked in Anjuna. Nobody seems to know. They
said it could be some royal dispute between King Edward and King
George!

2009/8/24 George Pinto :
> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न 
>  wrote:
>>
>> While you guys are being pessimistic from afar, let me tell
>> you why I'm sitting in Goa and don't see everything in such black terms.
>
>
> Frederick,
>
> Is it racist to use "black" as a negative above?
>
> George
>

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Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[lyrawmn]

One could argue that Goa has become a retirement ' home '.  
Not for Goans, but for the many foreigners who can spot ideal conditions - most 
would say cheap - in retiring to Goa. And perhaps running a business on the 
side!
 
Expat enclaves in gated communities with the good, and good natured 
natives starring in from outside the walls.
A kindlier, gentler apartheid, do you think?  
I. Nunes 

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न 
 wrote:

" But let's not miss the significance that Goa is no longer a retirement
home, where even finding a tenant for your empty home could be a tough
task (something our politicians were quick to realise!) FN"
-- 

[Goanet] Note to Goa's Members of Parliament in Delhi

[sebastian Rodrigues]

Bharatiya Janata Party funding from Goa Mining Companies during 2007-2008
 
V M Salgaonkar & Bros Pvt Ltd: Rs 72 Lakhs
VS Dempo and Co. Pvt Ltd, Goa: Rs 62.5 Lakhs
Chowgule Charitable Trust, Goa: Rs 60 Lakhs
 
Congress Party funding from Goa Mining Companies during 2007-2008
 
VM Salgaonkar & Bros Pvt Ltd: Rs 72.5 Lakhs
Chowgule Charitable Trust: Rs 72.5 Lakhs
Sesa Goa Ltd, Goa: Rs 27.5 Lakhs
VS Dempo and Co. Pvt Ltd, Goa: Rs 12.5 Lakhs
Dempo Mining Corporation: Rs 10 Lakhs
 
Above data is sourced from
http://www.travelindia-guide.com/elections-indian-lok-sabha/political-funding.php
 
 
So, one who pays the bagpiper calls the tune. It is now explainable as to why 
Goa's all the three Members of Parliaments are sitting quietly even while Goa 
continues to be ravaged by nefarious mining industry. They are busy sucking 
their left hand thumb and deriving intense pleasure out their sojourn. Well 
done Fransisco Sardinha! Well done Shripad Naik! Well done Shantaram Naik! 
Enjoy your thumb sucking till the end of your tenure in the Parliament. After 
all Goa's mining companies has been your Parties financial lifeline - Amongst 
top ten funders. Never mind about everything. Your slumber in the midst of 
eco-cide of Goa's villages and Forest cover is truly legendary. Keep it up 
boys! Keep believing yourselves that you'll are still in 8th standard and need 
to be monitored all the while! kudos to you'll. It is so surprising that even 
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh admits that Environmental Clearances in Ministry 
of Environment and Forest has become major hotbed of corruption and three of 
you'll continue to suck your thumbs!

Please get up and speak up! Please ask publicly Environment Minister Jairam 
Ramesh to cancel all the mining Environmental Clearances in Goa. Please 
remember, your parties may be funded by mining companies from Goa but remember 
survival Goa, its rich sources of fresh water and pristine nature is a priority 
over petty issue closer to your hearts - Funding by mining companies to your 
respective Political Parties. And if you'll fail to speak up now then please 
resign from your post and stop being burden on public exchequer. If you'll 
don't commit intelligently to stop this monstrous industry from reigning free 
hand then every thing else you'll do is null and void.

Please learn some lessons from Goa's Chief Minister Digambar Kamat who in spite 
of everything including his son-in-law in mining business did took delegation 
to Delhi few days back and raised the issue. Please over took that his team was 
full of ignorant chaps and performed badly by asking Central government to curb 
illegal mining when State government is legally authorised to do it itself! 
Digambar Kamat's delegation made complete fool of themselves. But still they 
deserve encouragement for making that effort and taking initiative at least!

Please also take take lessons from all the MLAs - including Leader of 
Opposition Manohar Parrikar in Goa Legislative Assembly - spoke up questioning 
mining industry. Though there was no cutting edge into their arguments yet it 
deserves appreciation. Mine operator and Sanvordem MLA Anil Salgaonkar was at 
least pushed on the back foot forced to lie on the floor of the Assembly that 
none of the mining rejects are flowing into any of the rivers and their 
tributaries in Goa! What all of them missed to question is nefarious role of 
Urban Development Minister Joaquim Alemao in mining belt. Manohar Parrikar 
appears to have studied pact with Alemaos as a Political Strategy that is bound 
to back fire on his if he continues to move along this line. All of them also 
missed to demand that all the mines in Goa that are not in operation for more 
than two years; leases be cancelled. They made lots of noise to gains publicity 
- that is also very good by the way! But the ground situation continues to 
worsen with every passing day and Goa MLAs are at least began to assert 
ownership of their tongues. I wish them all success and power! Please do not 
stop there. You'll have to go further. Please probe mining industry further and 
further assert ownership over your tongues. It will help you'll to regain you 
respect and dignity. You'll as a politicians are living with public money and 
if you'll don't perform to your best and in the best interest of the people of 
Goa then history will record you'll as betrayers and Universe will treat you'll 
accordingly. Remember every time you'll cheat public you'll first cheat 
yourselves. You'll have taken immense responsibility to do public good and 
please stay on your track in spite of destruction from lure of the mining 
industry. And you MLA Victoria Fernandes, please get your family out of mining 
business. It is undoing all the good that you have done all your life. It is my 
humble request as well as a prayer. Overall Goa MLAs are waking up and it is 
good sign. We wish them all the courage to be honest and bold.

Goa's Members of Parliament p

[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Life, as it was then... in Karachi

[Goanet Reader]

LIFE, AS IT WAS THEN... IN KARACHI

By Lt. Gen. EA Vas, PVSM

I was born on May 15, 1923 in Karachi, a small port with a
cosmopolitan population: a majority of Sindhi Muslims, many
Sindhi Hindus, some Hindus from elsewhere in India, a few
Christians and Parsis, and a sprinkling of Jews.

The Christian elements consisted mainly of people from Goa
who had begun migration to British-administered regions from
the early 19th century onwards for economic reasons.

Whole villages under intrepid leaders would set off to East
Africa, Calcutta, Bombay and Karachi in search of a better
life. Males would form the advance guard. If things worked
out well, they would be followed by others and then their
women.

Goans travelled to Karachi in Arab dhows and the journey took
a week. My grandparents moved to Karachi at the time of the
Great Indian Mutiny (1857). When they reached Sindh, my
grandparents could only speak Konkani.

Karachi was expanding rapidly. British trading houses and
local government services needed reliable middle-men.
employment was no problem provided one learnt English.

Goans who could not educate themselves became the cooks and
butlers of the Raj. Goans are not exceptional cooks, but
because they had no taboos about handling any type of meat or
fish, they were welcome by the British memsahibs who taught
them to cook the meals they liked. Goans soon became
excellent professionals who dominated their occupations.

In most Goans, a natural tendency to religious piety, already
established by their Hindu traditions, was greatly enhanced
by Roman Catholicism.

Thus, a Catholic school, a convent and a church dominated
areas where Goans resided. St Patrick's High School was a
boys' school in a small town, but among those who passed out
in my time were India's first Cardinal, one of India's Air
Chief Marshals, and a president of the Bharatiya Janata Party.

Along St Patrick's School was St Patrick's Church and St
Joseph's Convent for girls. Pious Goans attended mass
regularly on Sundays, kept Friday as a meatless day and
fasted during Lent.

Family members would sit together every evening before their
supper and recite the rosary in Konkani. Young boys and girls
were imbued with a desire to educate themselves and better
their prospects.

They were ready to meet new challenges. There was a strong
desire to modernize through the medium of the English
language, and Christianity enabled the Goan to accept
Westernization, without any inhibitions.

The community believed in, and practised, sound simple
Victorian values: devotion to duty, the sanctity of a
promise, all hard work and duty would be rewarded, justice
and the rule of law must be upheld, truth would prevail,
honesty is the best policy. There were maxims and epigrams to
cover every aspect of life from waste to punctuality. As
children, these values were drilled into us.

Goans were prudish about sex.

This was then a common Indian attitude which is surprising,
as Hindu culture subsumed the concept of Shiva and Shakti
without which men and women were incomplete. This concept was
developed further in the dual presence of Rama and Sita, and
Radha and Krishna.

Yet, like so many other human cultures, we have surrounded
sex with myths and misconceptions which prevent the growth of
healthy sex and sexuality. In the case of the Goan, these
inhibitions were reinforced by vague notions of sin and
hellfire.

Anyhow, the community was a small, compact one where almost
everyone knew one another by sight if not name. Thus,
clandestine liaisons were difficult. This is not to deny that
there were frequent scandals which were discussed with great
enjoyment by the gossipers. However, I grew up wise about
many things except sex.

To begin with, Goan immigrants settled in the Cantonment
area, which was referred to as "camp". When the influx from
Goa increased, it became difficult to acquire housing in
Camp. An enterprising Goan, Cincinnatus D'Abreo, acquired
1000 acres of land outside the cantonment. In 1908, this was
developed into Karachi's first planned township, which was
named Cincinnatus Town (today this forms part of Garden
East).

[Cincinnatus D'Abreo migrated to Sind in 1846, was educated at
St Patrick's School, rose to be Assistant Commissioner of
Sind, and retired as Collector of Customs. He founded the
Indian Life Assurance Co., was elected to the Karachi
Municipality, and became Director of the Karachi Electric
Supply Corporation.]

Cincinnatus Town developed an independent character with its
own school, convent and church. Interestingly, the school was
not established by the clergy. Jufelhurt High School was run
on modern secular lines by Cincinnatus's talented grand
daughters.

Common to Camp and Cincinnatus Town, and the centre of Goan
social activities, was the Karachi Goan Association (KGA,
which was housed in a large double-storied stone building.
This still stands opposite the Grammar School.

Founded in 1886 as the Goan Portuguese Association (GPA), th

[Goanet] Art and Freedom of Expression

[dommar...@juno.com]

Creativity is a rungless ladder.  Recognition provides the rungs through which 
one attains a 360 degree view of success.  Such attainment, however, can also 
lead to the containment of wisdom or ordinary prudence and in turn, substitute 
the rungs of success with those of contempt and ridicule.
 
When it comes to art:  An artist must reinvent the direction in which reality 
traverses through the narrowing straits of truth. In that regard, he stands 
damningly alone, awaiting time's vindication.

Dom Martin





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Re: [Goanet] Selma Carvalho: Who the Bleep cares about Goan Clubs?

[Gabe Menezes]

2009/8/23 Eddie Fernandes 

> WHO THE BLEEP CARES. Weekly column by Selma Carvalho.
> Source: Goan Voice Daily Newsletter 24 Aug 2009 at www.goanvoice.org.uk
>
> 41. Who the Bleep cares about Goan Clubs?
>
>
> Do leave your feedback at carvalho_...@yahoo.com
>
>
> RESPONSE: The Catholic Goan Club for over 100 years has been the glue that
has held Catholic Goans out of Goa together!

It was the only binding link that held Members (Goans) together, it does so,
even today in East Africa. Without the Clubs, our Goan Society in places
like Nairobi, Kampala, Dar and the Gulf Countries would not have that
cohesion that is so vital. What about the Kuds in Bombay?

It is my contention that without a central point, a Church (Selma wouldn't
know), a Temple ( Hindu or Jewish), or a Mosque, there is no way of binding
people together!

Religion has thousands of years of History; Clubs came into being with the
British Armed Forces. This was primarily to build up Camaraderie among the
Officers, Officers Mess and the rest who had their own Clubs, Sergeants Mess
and Ratings Mess.

It was a sad day when we lost our Club in Beckenham, Kent. Many people met
their match and got married because of the Club - including Alavro Colaco's
daughter, if my memory serves me right? A present G.O.A (U.K.) Board Member
also met his wife because of the Club.

A fantastic once a year, get together, is hardly the setting for
continuation.

I have to disagree; without a Club (Central meeting point), our Goans will
melt away into the mainstream.


My own sons love Goa - only for a holiday destination! Increasingly we shall
have our children marrying non Goans, there is nothing we can do about
it...With sadness that's the way the cookie crumbles. My wife and I have
reconciled ourselves to having non Goan Daughters- in-law. My wife now can
cook Spanish, Portuguese, English ( Roast beef with a Goan twang), Chinese
and Japanese, Greek and Italian.  May be,  just may be, they will marry
Polish and Ukrainian..start all over again!

As for Goans in Goa; within 50 years, surnames will survive but all will be
totally integrated into the vastness of India...now eat your hearts out,
mates! Our Hindu brethren will have an easier assimilation - Parrikar
remains as Parrikar?

Hmmm, surprising that there have been three posts on similar topics, one in
the Contact magazine ( Goan Chaplaincy) , one by me and now one by Selma.
Coincidence or what?

Bottom line, no Club no cohesion! Awaiting a response with bated breath.

We Goans in London have lost our way, success is not the bottom line figure,
success is in increasing membership - especially among the young.

Quoting a Catholic Saint - 'what doth it profit a man if he gains the whole
World, but loses his soul?

Our Club in London is cash rich but has lost  its soul. Finally, our Bankers
had warned us that we were not in the business of owning property. We were
in the business of owning a Club House with Sports facilities.

Now we are property owners - to what aim?



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London.

Re: [Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या]

You have a point I. Nunes, but I was on some other point -- the
relationship between the Goan and Goa.

2009/8/24 lyrawmn :
> One could argue that Goa has become a retirement ' home '.
> Not for Goans, but for the many foreigners who can
> spot ideal conditions - most would say cheap - in retiring
> to Goa. And perhaps running a business on the side!
>
> Expat enclaves in gated communities with the good,
> and good natured natives starring in from outside
> the walls.
> A kindlier, gentler apartheid, do you think?
> I. Nunes

Now let's please get out of the way before R. Parrikar comes rushing
into our china shop. Or does he not dislike Euro ghantis as much as
desi ones? Of course, ghantis from Goa itself (like me and other
Goanetters) have some mysterious immunity from being criticised on
grounds of immunity :-) FN

PS: As Mario says, I used a smiley!
-- 
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[Goanet] Animated worlds we loved

[Cecil Pinto]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



Animated worlds we loved
Traditional Disney beats computer wizardry

By Cecil Pinto


"Look for the bare necessities
The simple bare necessities
Forget about your worries and your strife
I mean the bare necessities
Old Mother Nature's recipes
That brings the bare necessities of life
- Baloo the Bear (Jungle Book -1967)

A few days back a friend lent me a DVD of the animated movie Jungle Book. 
Surprisingly my sons Desmond (9) and Fabian (7) had not yet seen it. I may not 
be 
the best of fathers but I make sure that in the entertainment department they 
lack 
for nothing, especially with pirated DVDs being available everywhere at Rs. 
50/- a 
pop.

This 1967 movie was as old as me and I was skeptical that they would appreciate 
it 
in this age of high tech wizardry which gave us the spectacular Iron Man, 
Transformers and the new Star Trek. Would this old classic, compiled from 
stories by 
Rudyard Kipling, hold the attention of my easily bored kids? Wonder of wonders, 
not 
only did they sit through transfixed, so did my wife, my parents and me. 
There's 
something about a timeless classic that no amount of gadgetry can beat.

For days after the movie the boys were imitating Mowgli, Baloo and Bagheera.  
The 
bad guys were of course Shere Khan (who would today be body-checked at 
immigration) 
and Kaa the Python. Sensing an opportunity here to woo them over from those 
stupid 
animated TV serials like Ben 10 and Dragon Ballzee, or whatever, I immediately 
went 
to my friendly neighbourhood pirate and purchased The Lion King - along with 
four 
other animation movies on a single DVD.

The magic happened again, not only the kids but also us adults watched in awe 
as 
King Musafa died and Simba grows up with Timon and Pumbaa and then reunites 
with his 
childhood sweetheart Nala. We cursed the evil lion Scar and his spotted hyena 
friends and cheered when Simba reclaimed his kingdom.

Curiously enough Desmond did not want to be Simba but preferred appropriating 
the 
Timon character. What makes a child identify with a wise cracking meerkat, a 
self-absorbed mangoose, for heavens sake? Fabian of course is forced then to be 
Pumbaa - the warthog with a farting problem. The finer nuances of Elton John's 
splendid 'Can You Feel the Love Tonight' are lost on them as they run around 
the 
apartment singing.

"Hakuna Matata!
What a wonderful phrase
Hakuna Matata!
Ain't no passing craze
It means no worries
For the rest of your days
It's our problem-free philosophy
Hakuna Matata!"

Punctuated by exaggerated make-believe gaseous emissions, it is quite a sight 
to see 
two kids doing the jungle dance. Maybe I should film it with my phone and put 
it on 
YouTube.

So now I'm in Classic Children's Animated Movies mode and am going to make sure 
my 
kids see every good cartoon movie ever made, and the sequels, all on DVD. At 
Rs. 
190/- per head at INOX, plus overpriced popcorn and Coke, it's also the much, 
much 
cheaper option.

They have of course seen (including sequels) Ice Age, Shrek, Finding Nemo, Toy 
Story, A Bug's Life, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, Chicken Run, Robots and 
Ratatouille. I enjoyed all these movies as much as they did but there's a 
certain 
charm in traditional hand drawn cel animation techniques that computer 
generated 
animation cannot compare with.

Or maybe I just want to relive my childhood through their eyes?

I want them to love Snow White and hate the wicked stepmother, who probably was 
Indian considering her obsession with fairness. I want then to yodel Hei-Ho 
along 
with the seven dwarves. If Desmond wants to be Doc instead of the Prince well I 
will 
just be Happy that Fabian's not Grumpy, Sleepy or Sneezy.

I want them to sing along with Jiminy Cricket, "When You Wish Upon a Star". Let 
them 
go out into the wide world with little Pinocchio, wrestling with his conscience 
and 
his growing nose. Let them feel guilty when they see Geppetto having to 
constantly 
worry about his son. A little guilt never hurt anyone, and makes parenting 
easier.

Doesn't the Blue Fairy look so much like Heather Graham? She was born decades 
after 
the movie was released but what a likeliness.

The Sword in The Stone is one underrated animation classic that lies forgotten. 
Merlin the white bearded Wizard, Mad Madame Mim, Archimedes the Owl, and of 
course 
young orange haired Arthur. The scene where everyone struggles and fails to 
remove 
the sword embedded in the stone, while Arthur does it for the second time with 
consummate ease, is one I will never forget.

Shouldn't my kids also feel Bambi's joy as she frolics in the woods with 
Thumper the 
rabbit and Flower the skunk? And shouldn't they feel the young deer's pain when 
his 
mother dies? And cheer the heroic Bambi as he rescues his lady l

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Re: [Goanet] Indian government discovers it has balls

[Domnic Fernandes]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



> Domnic, is it possible that the Saudi sense of what is right or wrong
> (depiction of gods as images, non-Koranic religious texts) just
> clashes with the standards of others? If so, whose conceptions should
> hold valid in Saudi Arabia itself?

To the Saudis, there is no other religion in the world except Islam.  Period!

As such, they won't listen to any logic that falls outside its perimeters.


There are two basic rules for the expatriates:

Do not discuss (1) religion and (2) politics.  Any problem arising out of these 
two 
rules lands one behind bars and results in deportation.



It's a country where 'my ship, my order' works.  So, obviously, only their 
concept 
is valid.

Although the country tells the USA and the Human Rights watchdog they have no 
objection for expatriates to practice their religion behind closed doors, raids 
are 
often carried out and expatriates/visitors imprisoned and then deported to 
their 
countries for gathering for religious purposes inside homes.

I am sure you are aware that SA is the only country where there is no church 
and 
perhaps there won't be one even in the future.  I say so because when the Pope 
asked 
the head of the country to allow him to build a church, he bluntly told him 
that 
that was not possible because the whole of SA was holy!

> When I was a young student in West Germany many moons ago, I found
> that smooching on a train was quite acceptable, but a group of 15
> well-pigmented twenty-something-year-olds from various parts of the
> Third World sharing a hearty joke on the same train caused
> consternation!

Smooching in Saudi Arabia will result in public lashing and imprisonment. As 
for 
sharing a joke, here is what I witnessed at an airport in Saudi Arabia:

Incoming passengers were standing in queues for immigration clearance. One 
group of 
people comprising of eight persons, including a woman of Indian origin with a 
2-year 
old child, who had arrived from the UK, were close to the immigration counter 
when 
suddenly they burst into a laughter.


The officer stepped out of the counter, approached the group and asked them why 
they 
burst into a laughter.  Nobody replied.  As a punishment, he asked the whole 
group 
to move to the end of the queue, which meant that they had to wait for another 
hour 
to get to the counter, but having no other alternative they did so, though 
hesitantly. Furthermore, he went to each immigration counter, pointed to the 
group 
and ensured that none of the officers would accept them.
Mind you, they did this to the UK nationals who, besides Americans, are given 
special treatment.  Can you imagine the repercussions if those passengers were 
from 
a Third World Country!


> We need to remind ourselves that religious tolerance wasn't a given in
> most parts of the world till the 19th century.

But those parts of the world have now improved.

> I'm impressed by countries like Malaysia and Bangladesh where, for the
> most, religion is quite a personal matter contrary to the stereotypes
> we have and often promote about Muslims. (The latter has a
> fundamentalist problem in pockets, much like India.) I'm sure there
> must be many other such countries, which one has not visited.


Most rules imposed in SA are not followed by the adjoining Islamic countries.


> But, for some reason -- or is it, for a reason? -- Saudi Arabia is
> always created into the poster boy when we need to make a whipping boy
> of The Other! FN

I leave it to you to arrive at your own conclusion.

Moi-mogan,

Domnic Fernnades
Anjuna, Goa
>
> 2009/8/22 Domnic Fernandes :
>
> > You are right, Rajan.  Every non-Muslim is harassed
> > at the Saudi Arabian immigration
> > and customs office, but Hindus are indeed singled out
> > because they think they are
> > 'kaafir' - people without a religion.
> > No idols/religious pictures are allowed into the
> > Kingdom; when found, they are
> > dumped in a trash can right under one's nose.
> > What is shocking is that they don't even respect
> > our Holy Bible. When they come
> > across one, it, too, is sent to the trash can! 

[Goanet] GOA GOVT. MAKES HAY EVEN WHEN THE SUN IS NOT SHINING

[Aires Rodrigues]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



While Congress President Sonia Gandhi and Prime Minister Dr Manmohan
Singh’s diktat is to cut salaries of MPs by 20% and adopt austerity
measures, our MLAs in Goa have recently shamelessly given themselves a
handsome pay hike. Good governance is about financial accountability
which the Goa Government has not cared about.

Recently the Economic Development Corporation which has been incurring
massive losses since its inception on 12th March, 1975, dared to spend
lavishly on a function to mark the inauguration of its Micro Finance
section. The total expenses on the function was Rs 2, 42, 612.  A sum
of Rs 7000 was squandered on flower decorations to welcome the Chief
Minister Digambar Kamat at the function. The High tea for dignitaries
cost Rs 3600 while the lunch which could also have been avoided,
swallowed Rs 12,848 from the State exchequer. Just because the
corporation is basking on some crores of rupees it has fetched
recently by selling some of its prime property, there is no reason to
overspend.  Chief Minister Digambar Kamat should ensure fiscal
accountability even at the cost of losing his chair.

Aires Rodrigues
Ribandar

[Goanet] Health care in the USA........

[Vivian A. DSouza]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



I read all these horror stories about health care in the USA, and also about 
health care in
Canada and the UK.  I guess it boils down to a person's perspective.
 
I carry supplemental Medical Insurance and National Medicare from the USA and 
have never had a problem.  I also know of a gentleman visiting the USA from 
India who had a heart attack, and was very promptly given a by-pass and never 
paid a penny, despite not having insurance, and having well qualified children 
in the USA.  I am not personally aware of anyone in the USA being denied 
medical care because of their inability to pay.
 
My experience in Goa is that the health care one receives (if one is able to 
pay for it) is excellent and relatively in-expensive. (relative to the USA that 
is).  I had one experience with a local private hospital where I admitted a 
friend,. Accepting responsibility for the
expense. I was milked, to put it mildly. There are pros and cons everywhere one 
goes.'
 
I also had a positive experience in the UK a couple of decades ago.  I had an 
emergency.
An ambulance came to the hotel and transported me to the local hospital where I 
received
prompt and efficient medical attention.  Being an American, of course I 
expected to pay the bill, but was told that there was none !  
 
However I would not compare the standard of hygiene in hospitals in the USA and 
Canada with many other places in the world.
 


  

[Goanet] Artists have no social responsibility!!

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



In connection with the recent controversy regarding Dr. Subodh Kerkar's
artistic cartoons one person mentioned to me that one of the cartoon drawn
by him was published in oHerald (dated: August 18, 2009, Page 2). In this
connection and after having a look at it I submit my views here-in-below. 
 
The cartoon shows a likeness of Shree Samarth Ramdas (one of the revered
saint of many Marathi speaking Indians) with the following caption:  "This
is a portrait of Samarth Swami Ramdas.  I did not want anyone's feelings to
be unnecessarily hurt, so I drew him fully clothed in a suit."
 
The normal attire of Shree Samarth Ramdas as has been noted by every Hindu
in Maharastra or Goa is that he wears only “langoti” and is depicted in that
way, all over the world. His believers have similar photo in their homes and
even in some Hindu business houses. Clearly such a depiction did not / does
not hurt anyone's feelings.
 
However, it appears that the feelings of the creator of the cartoon i. e.,
Dr. Subodh were hurt. It also gives a feeling that Dr. Subodh has no
understanding of the subject and the feelings of people. If Dr. Subodh did
not want to hurt the feelings of anyone he could have as well shown Shree
Samarth Ramdas in an attire of Hindu swami rather than showing him in suit!!
The way the present cartoon is painted gives a strong feeling of provoking
type of intentions of cartoonist’s.  And so, if people did get provoked why
should the creator of the cartoon take upon himself a role of a victim?
 
If the cartoonist is sincere, then he would have to answer in affirmative if
he is asked the following question: "Would the nude painting of Hindu
goddesses by MF Husain hurt anyone's feelings?"
 
According to me, an artist does not have a social responsibility to please
and uphold the public's sense of right and wrong in their expressions. Their
art is just their reflection and distillation of the world around them.  So
much so that very few artists today are aware that with celebrity comes
responsibility.  

When I look at any artist’s painting, I hope to see everything the artist
was dreaming of as he captured the scene, or whatever beauty he found to
excite him. I always like to see beyond the passion to the reality of the
artist’s character or spirit. Therefore, I feel, art is not just about
passion. An artist may, of course, have emotions, but their art should help
the viewer to have more than a surface understanding of it. Their art needs
to be like a child, the magnificent result of its complex and beautiful
creator. 

Most artists know well that their freedom of expression can and or may be
challenged but their intentions behind exercising freedom of expression
cannot be proved in the eyes of law!! Taking advantage of the freedom of
expression they resort to giving public something shoddy over and over
again, without any material substance but definitely with derogatory
projections of race, sex, social class and exploiting religious
feelings/beliefs. So what can one do about these profiteers who pollute
vulnerable minds as if they have no spiritual or social responsibility to
create real art? 
I don’t believe in censorship, but I feel strongly that a true artist should
censor themselves for the good of the society. Has Dr. Kerkar any time
bowdlerized himself and his paintings before offering them for public
viewing? OR is he up to a mad rush to complete what M. F. Husain could not
do or achieve? How is that Indian Artists expresses their right to freedom
of expression only to depict Hindu Gods, Goddesses & Saints in an unwanted
pose and attire? I wonder How come these artists don’t get inspirations or
imagination to depict  Saints of other religions in the same way as they
depict Hindu saints and gods? OR is it that these Indian artists consider
that Hindus have no moral right to get hurt if their sentiments are trampled
upon. 
  
Best regards,

Dr. U. G. Barad

Re: [Goanet] How the NRI has fallen from grace

[lyrawmn]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary





I. Nunes responds to mmendonz...@gmail.com: 
 

The Indian diaspora is upwards of 20 million.
[World Bank estimates US$ 52 billion in remittances to India for 2008.This 
excludes gold and gems.]
 

Intuitively it would appear  that Indians working in the Gulf countries would 
tend to remit more as they will always be gastarbeiters or  guest workers, 
never attaining full citizenship irrespective of their tenure. 
Whereas Indians in the Western countries would be more likely to emigrate with 
their families, obviating the need for most remittances.
 
Not quite so.
 
Just to put matters in the correct perspective  - the Reserve Bank of India 
perspective:
 
In the last RBI study (2006) of remittances by NRIs with breakdown by source 
country found:
N. America accounted for 44%,
Gulf Countries 24%
Europe   13%
East Asia 8%
S. America   6%
Africa       2%
other    3%
 

Reported in RBI Bulletin: 
http://rbidocs.rbi.org.in/rdocs/Bulletin/PDFs/74250.pdf
 
These additional reported facts might interest you:

 
1.   The Hindu Business section at  

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/08/09/stories/2006080905091900.htm
 
reported:
a.    AP received the highest NRI remittances, with Maharastra second in 2006.
b.    The US and Saudi Arabia were the largest sources of workers' remittances 
to developing countries.  [Not just in India]
 
2.   Rediff.com/money in their September 05, 2007 article:
NRI remittance: How it is invested  reported
 
" About 13 per cent of the funds remitted by Non-Resident Indians (NRIs) in 
2006 were invested in equity and real estate. 
While 20 per cent of the funds are parked in bank deposits, 54 per cent of 
remittances are used to meet family expenses, according to a Reserve Bank of 
India".  
best, 
I. Nunes.

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Marshall Mendonza  wrote:

From: Marshall Mendonza 
Subject: [Goanet] How the NRI has fallen from grace
To: "goanet" 
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:19 AM

lyrawmn :
Do you think Mr. Swapan Dasgupta is aware that NRIs remitted US $24.6
billion in 2005-6 and US$ 43.5 billion 2007-8 according to the Reserve Bank
of India? [Reported by?the Financial Express in India.]This is estimated to
be about 3% India's GDP.

Response:
Just to put matters in proper perspective. The bulk of foreign remittances
come from Indians working in the Gulf and not from those settled in USA or
the West.

Regards,

Marshall



  

[Goanet] G.O.A. in London.

[Gilbert Lawrence]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



Great article!
I guess the issue is: What would be good reasons for Goans today to join their 
local association?

Perhaps two reasons (to build on):
1. For Goans to connect and network with each other. Traditionally this has 
served for business/   empolyment reasons; and for social reason, including an 
opportunity for the next generation to meet a partner.

2. Another reason, in the 21st century is to think out of the box. Goan 
associations could be a more formal way to connect with Goan associations 
across the country and the world. 

So as an example if a UK member visits USA; and if they could stay at 
reasonable costs in a host arranged place, it would be a good reason to join 
his native club.  For starters, perhaps associations should encourage / make 
it enjoyable for Goan representatives from other parts of the country and world 
to attend their annual GOA / association events.
 
My observation is the Goan associations have been too parochial, turning away 
Goans, who are not "identical".  In the end they loose their own members, 
when their events becomes same old ... same old.
Regards, GL
 

-- Gabe Menezes wrote  
 
The founders of the G.O.A. U.K., in 1965,  who have passed away, must be 
turning in their graves. It was not what they envisaged, I was there at the 
inception as a teenager.


  

Re: [Goanet] Indian government discovers it has balls

[Santosh Helekar]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



Domnic's response to Frederick should be eye-opening to people who do not see 
the value of a free democracy, and cultural relativists like Frederick who 
believe that there is no right and wrong in this world, even from the 
standpoint of what is good for humanity as a whole. It tells us why we should 
not trust those who want to, or are forced to, paint a rosy picture about the 
autocratic country they live in.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Domnic Fernandes  wrote:
>
> > Domnic, is it possible that the Saudi sense of what is
> right or wrong
> > (depiction of gods as images, non-Koranic religious
> texts) just
> > clashes with the standards of others? If so, whose
> conceptions should
> > hold valid in Saudi Arabia itself?
> 
> To the Saudis, there is no other religion in the world
> except Islam.  Period!
> 
> As such, they won't listen to any logic that falls outside
> its perimeters.
> 


  

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (25Aug09)

[alexyz fernandes]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



***  Ex Dhargal Farmers in Heaven  ***

"The Sports Min. Warned us Dead...With a Law 'N' Order Notice (Sec.) 149...Now 
we 
warn him...if he goes ahead...His Sports city will be a Ghost City!"


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[Goanet] Goa's Mining Undermining Goans!

[Dr. U. G. Barad]

   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary



In Goa, mining is seen to take place with large scale environmental
degradation violating all human rights. Multidimensional approach i.e.
denial of the eligible rights of the people in mining zones, flouting of law
by the State machinery & mine owners and denial of mineworkers rights that
is followed in Goa for mining industry compounds the problem still further.
Due to which, almost every day Goans from in and around mining areas are
seen agitating against mining came on streets. 

Goa government after two years of mass agitation has now come up with mine
owners' friendly draft Mining Policy for Goa! Apart from permitting mining
near the state's wildlife sanctuaries and legalizing other non-operative
dormant leases issued during Portuguese regime,  the said draft mining
policy of Goa has retained many flows, as in the past, which are
non-compliant with many prevailing Acts of government of India. 

As far as mining in Goa is concerned, mine owners in connivance with
government of Goa appears to have violated and are violating following basic
norms: 

Constitutional Rights - under Fundamental Rights: Article 19; (i), (f) -
Right to acquire, preserve and transfer the property, Article 21 - Right to
live and livelihood.

Directive Principles of State Policy: Article 38 - Assures the protection of
the social order and promotion of welfare of the people; Article 39 (a) -
Right to earn a dignified livelihood; Article 39 (b) - The State shall in
particular direct its policy towards securing - that the ownership and
control of the material resource of the community are so distributed as best
to sub-serve the common good; that the operation of the economic system does
not result in the concentration of the wealth and means of production to the
common detriment; Article 46 - The State shall promote..the SCs / STs, and
shall protect them from social injustice and all forms of exploitation;
Article 47 - Duty of the state to develop the standard of living of the
people; Article 48 - To protect agriculture and animal resource; Article 51
A (g), (i) - It is the fundamental duty of every citizen of India - to
protect the natural environment including forest, lakes, river and wild
life. 

In addition to above, mining in forest areas grossly violates major
provisions under the National Forest Policy 1988 such as Sections 2.1, 2.2,
3.1, 3.2, 3.4, 3.5, 4.3, 4.4, 4.6, and 4.9. 

All provisions with regards to the Scheduled Area Act as well as the
provisions under the Panchayat Raj Act are grossly violated. In Section 4
(a) it clearly states, "a state legislation on the panchayats that may be
made shall be in consonance with the customary law, social, and religious
practices and traditional management practices of community resource".
Further Section 4 (b) says, "every gram sahbha shall be competent to
safeguard and preserve the traditions and customs of the people, their
cultural identity, community resources and the customary mode of dispute
resolution".
The Scheduled Area Act or the Panchayat Extension to Scheduled Area Act
(PESA) is one powerful weapon in fighting unjust mining. To compound the
complications further is gross irregularity and corruptions in granting the
mining lease are involved. 

Despite of India having best of the Acts gross irregularities and
corruptions at highest & lowest level in government departments are granting
mining leases left, right and center. This has resulted in displacement,
migration, socio-cultural and environmental impacts in the areas surrounding
mining areas. These nonreversible impacts have widened the gap between the
rich and poor even in rural areas. While Goa government appears to have
turned into a repressive tool in the hands of the corporate sectors,
particularly the mining companies, imposing anti-people laws and polices on
the people. 

The developed attitude of the state government towards mining sector clearly
shows its withdrawal from welfare responsibilities. The ruling government is
also seen to operate as a string-puppet with the corporate sector holding
its strings. The trust of the disinherited is further shattered and disowned
by the disingenuous attitude of the government. In many cases even the
highest offices of the CM, and the Governor closed their eyes only to remain
disabled to use their prerogative powers only to give an impetus to the
mining companies to capitalize the situation and overthrow the people's
aspirations. 

Considering what's going on in Goa's mining areas its time for Goans to
fight for themselves and maintain checks on mining activities. Goans also
need to be extra vigil in lodging their formal protest(s) for
non-compliances' left within draft mining policy of Goa before the draft
becomes an Act to act against Goans.

Best regards,

Dr. U