date:20090901

Please identify these wild berries
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878736903/sizes/l/

I remember eating them up on the hill.
The plant also bear flowers, often seen in gardens in these July/Aug/Sept 
months.
 
Not all such plants bear the red berries?
 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न 
 wrote:
> 
> I believe every religious and non-religious ideology
> (including secularism and Science!) has its own phases of bigotry and
> intolerance.
>

What are the phases of bigotry and intolerance of secularism and science? 
Please describe them in at least a couple of paragraphs.

Cheers,

Santosh

Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

2009-09-01 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Cajetan Alvares  wrote:
>
> So, you do admit that Advani amd the rest of the BJP gang
> are violent criminals and fanatics?
>

Yes.

>
> Why not write to them instead of on Goanet?
>

Write what to them?

>
> Writing to us here is not going to help.
> 

Who are you? Who do you mean by "us"?

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] impartial history by boot-lickers?

2009-09-01 Thread Teotonio R. de Souza

This is what Henrique Salles da Fonseca wrote in 2006:

Message: 8
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:12:48 +0100
From: sallesfons...@sapo.pt
To: goanet 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

"The main purpose of Teotonio is to blame Portugal and nothing
else! However, he lives in Portugal and is paid by a portuguese
University."

Fortunately the Portuguese Universities maintain better standards than those 
recommended by this gentleman whose nationalism differs little from the 
former Salazar regime and would recommend history of the boot-lickers as 
impartial history.
To get an idea of his mentality, you may google and find what he wrote some 
years ago (2006). A translation is provided for those who may have 
difficulty in following the message in Portuguese:

O site http://www.goanet.org/ congrega os goeses anglófilos que ao
fim de 45 anos ainda não sublimaram os complexos de colonialismo e
que se opõem à Lusofonia com uma sanha típica de verdadeiros
inimigos. O "dono" do dite é um jornalista chamado Frederick Noronha
que regressou da diáspora em Bombaím e vive novamente em Goa
(Margão?). Há também um Grupo que gira em torno do e-mail
goa...@g... Ando por ali há cerca de um ano a "medir forças" com os
que, tendo nome português, se comprazem a maldizer de Portugal e dos
portugueses. Poderei não ter ganho a guerra mas já venci várias
batalhas e obriguei alguns a conter o palavreado. Mas sinto
necessidade de companhia pelo que sugiro aos membros deste Grupo que
dominem o inglês que apareçam por lá a fim de que eles continuem a
saber que nós não estamos numa de consentir que eles tudo digam
impunemente.

[Translation: The site http:/// www.goanet.org/  is a gathering of 
anglophile Goans who after 45 years have not been able to sublimate their 
colonial complexes and oppose Lusophony as  its dedicated enemies.  The 
"owner" of the site is a journalist called Frederick Noronha  who returned 
from diaspora in Mumbai an resides once again in Goa (Margão?). There is 
also another group that revolves around goanet. I have been trying for 
nearly a year now to "check" those who bear Portuguese name, but take 
pleasure in speaking ill of Portugal and the Portuguese.  I may not have won 
the war, but have certainly  won several battles and  forced some to contain 
their  verbiage. But I feel the need of company to pursue this,  and wish to 
appeal to members of this group who master English language to join forces 
to prevent that whatever  is said in the forum does not  go unchecked.

[Goanet] JAI RAM! RAM ESH!

2009-09-01 Thread soter

Going by media opinions it seems that Jairam Ramesh and Digambar Kamat share a 
good personal relationship with each other. There is no doubt that Jairam 
Ramesh is a gentleman unlike Goa's present bunch of egoistic politicians. 
Considering the fact that on one hand the Singhs are speeding up economic 
growth through massive industrial development projects, how will the minister 
from the same Cabinet do something that would definitely curtail the 
availability of land for industries? Also knowing that the very same Congress 
Party has been the architect of India's environmental disasters, how can Jairam 
Ramesh just do a 360 degree spin?  And perhaps after a good show of putting the 
local politicians on the floor before Jairam all the environmentalists will 
withdraw into their barracks to enjoy the success. Has the foxy Digubab used 
Jairam to sedate the quarelling Goan masses with sweet and impressive talk?
-soter

[Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

2009-09-01 Thread Cajetan Alvares

 * Tue Sep 1 07:52:26 PDT 2009*
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Cajetan Alvares < cajuloal at
googlemail.com>
wrote:>
* * >* Who demolished the statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan?* >* Who wants to
demolish the Babri temple?* >* * Who else? Violent criminals and
fanatics.Cheers,Santosh/
-
Hi,
So, you do admit that Advani amd the rest of the BJP gang are violent
criminals and fanatics?
Why not write to them instead of on Goanet?
Writing to us here is not going to help.
Caj.

Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

2009/9/1 Mario Goveia :

> Christian fascism flourished and ended
> hundreds of years ago. Islamic fascism
> is on the march today and some far milder
> Hindu fascism within India as well.

Always easier to point fingers at The Other!

I believe every religious and non-religious ideology (including
secularism and Science!) has its own phases of bigotry and
intolerance. The more open we are to accepting this, working for
reform, and placing self-correcting checks and balances in place, the
better! FN
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Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

Teotoniobab is a highly qualified, recognized and accomplished Goan historian. 
I hope people would offer substantive criticisms and refutations of his work 
rather than smear him like spoiled children.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, sallesfons...@sapo.pt  wrote:
> 
> The main purpose of Fr. Theotónio is to blame Portugal and
> nothing else! However, he lives in Portugal and is paid by a
> portuguese University.
> Of course he is not a recognisable historian because of his
> partiality.
> Henrique Salles da Fonseca
> Lisboa - PORTUGAL
> 
>

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread J. Colaco < jc>

2009/9/1 Carvalho :

[1]  After confessing that he has not read the book, he goes on to
tell us it is biased.
[2] How did JC decide something is biased without having read it.
Interalia, intra-violet and infra-red?


Now that we have 'solved' a number of misrepresentations by Selma
e,g. A whole generation of Goan Hindus trained to hate Goan Catholics
+ the topic was "jobs in Swindon", we are asked to consider another
one where Selma states the following "he goes on to tell us it 'IS'
biased".

Perhaps, Selma will now advise us WHERE it is jc has stated that
Teotonio's book 'IS' biased.

This appears to be an exquisite/inquisite/requisite case of serial
misrepresentation.

Keep it up.

BTW: Earlier this morning (here), Selma asked the following question:
" Quero um fusco? "

Brilliant ...would you guys not say so?

jc

[Goanet] Taking Photos: Which Popular C- beach is this?

2009-09-01 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

Taking Photos: Which Popular C- beach is this?
 
Is it  Cavelossiom Beach?
Is it Canaguinim Beach?
Is it Caranzalem Beach?
Is it Cansaulim Beach?
Is it Calangute Beach?
Is it Campal Beach?
Is it Colva Beach?
 
Which ever it is, it does look beautiful
 
only captured this evening 7.30pm
 
Just have a look
 
7.30pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878041459/sizes/l/
6.30pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878043945/sizes/l/
 
 
water flowing back to the sea but it’s not a river
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878042131/sizes/l/
6.30pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878838382/sizes/l/
 
7.30pm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3878081503/sizes/l/
 Note: One of the Five pics may be a pic of another beach


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[Goanet] Our woebegotten coast and people.

2009-09-01 Thread eric pinto

    It wasn't just Goa, but the entire stretch of coast, from Goa, north to 
Bombay. I remember seeing hills meet the ocean over much of the day long 
steamer ride, with the 'coastal plain,' when present, little more than a few 
hundred yards of sand.  What arrives as rain over twelve weeks flows right back 
into 'rivers' that are little better than creeks.  To a certain extent, 
Salcette is better endowed, with water resources that allow multiple paddy 
crops.  With a less mountainous backbone,the Canara coast is well linked to the 
fertile and wealthy  Karnataka/Deccan hinterland. 
  We were once the TB capital of India, with much of the blame assigned to 
conditions in textile mills. I believe the labour that arrived at the mills in 
Central Bombay were infected much earlier, in the 'misery manors' of Tiracol, 
'Wadi and Vengurla. 
    Portugal had little to do with the vagaries of our topography, and fate : 
But we do need to thank the Japs and Germans for the impetus they provided to 
get mining going in the fifties.

[Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

2009-09-01 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:30:18 +0530
From: Sandeep Heble 

The essence of all religions is tolerance and freedom of expression
and belief, says JOE D'SOUZA

http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=26661&cid=14

Mario responds:

It is?  How much tolerance is included in the diabolical Hindu-invention of a 
caste system, later also adopted by Christians in India, mostly in Goa and 
Kerala?

How much tolerance for "infidels" and freedom of expression and belief do we 
find in the Qu'ran and merciless Sharia Law?

Excerpt from article:

But alas! Today, we harass, kill and destroy others to impose ourselves and our 
fanatical beliefs. We may at times disagree with one another. But we must agree 
to disagree with grace and mutual respect. Each one of us has his own point of 
view, but must we fall to such low levels as to feel hurt by the views of 
others, however opposed they may be to ours?

Mario responds:

Kitem mhontai, re, Joe?  Today, we harrass, kill and destroy...?

Today?  We?  Who's "we", re?

Christian fascism flourished and ended hundreds of years ago. Islamic fascism 
is on the march today and some far milder Hindu fascism within India as well.

Who exactly is killing and destroying in order to impose "ourselves" and "our" 
fanatical beliefs, and who is standing up to these people to protect those who 
cannot protect themselves?

Most of us do agree to disagree with others of goodwill.  However, is this what 
will work when others do not even accept one's right to exist and actively work 
to wipe them off the map?

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread sallesfonseca






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The main purpose of Fr. Theotónio is to blame Portugal and nothing  
else! However, he lives in Portugal and is paid by a portuguese  
University.

Of course he is not a recognisable historian because of his partiality.
Henrique Salles da Fonseca
Lisboa - PORTUGAL

Re: [Goanet] Ted Kennedy Dead

2009-09-01 Thread Mario Goveia

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:44:35 -0700
From: "isouza" 

>From our experience in India (including Goa), people are dying of 
cancer in spite of all modern Western treatment. I said that I am not 
"interested in the published evidence", because it contradicts totally what we 
are witnessing here. What is the use of reading the "scientific evidence" given 
by the scientists in the American corner, if we are losing people everyday to 
cancer.

Mario asks:

Fr. Ivo,

You don't seem to understand that cancer has to be looked at on a case by case 
basis.  Every case of cancer is not curable so far, whereas there are some 
formes of cancer that are now almost always curable if caught early enough. 

In my case they caught it early, treated it correctly and St. Pedro wanted me 
to continue being the voice of reason, truth and peace on Goanet.  So, here I 
am, still on the right side of the grass, nine years later.  Officially cured.  
Saiba boggus!  Confounding the Purveyors of Puerile Prevarication and Sultans 
of Selective Accuracy:-))

Fr. Ivo wrote:

I am meeting everyday people who have no hope of being cured of cancer... 

Mario responds:

Instead of spreading religious quackery on Goanet, perhaps you can go to Mumbai 
and convince Dr. Luzito DeSouza or Tata Memorial to open a cancer clinic in Goa.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

the fact is that I find no evidence with the patients that I know... 

Mario responds:

Sounds like the blind leading the blind.  Like John Paul II counseling couples 
on marital relations, and Pope Benny advising the world on economics and 
depriving people from less developed countries from getting jobs from 
outsourcing from the developed countries.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

Science does not have the guarantee of Faith. 

Mario responds:

What kind of guarantee does Faith provide?  Can it guarantee a cure for cancer?

Fr. Ivo wrote:

Therefore, this "admission" is not ignorance, but wisdom. May the Goanetters 
choose to be guided by prudence, not by "scientific quackery", and not dance to 
the tune of the scientists and politicians...

Mario responds:

Are you aware that you are spreading not wisdon, but religious quackery, and 
asking us to dance to your tune?

Fr. Ivo wrote:

1.Cancers are to be detected early. This is difficult because of the 
asymptomatic phase. When they are detected, they are already spread.

Mario responds:

Not true.  When my cancer was detected it had not spread.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

2. Surgery may not be complete disappearance of cancer. There can be 
recurrence of the tumour and/or metastasis after surgical intervention, 
radiation and chemotherapy.

Mario responds:

There can also NOT be a recurrence of the tumor and/or metastasis in many 
cases.  This has been my experience.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

3.Radiation and chemotherapy have side-effects which may not improve the 
quality of life. It is survival, not cure. It has to be tested. It is 
'five-year survival', it can recur.

Mario responds:

It wasn't pleasant but the effect on my quality of life was temporary.  I have 
now gone nine years withour a recurrence.  If I get cancer in the future it 
will be a new event.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

4. If it is metastasized, it is only palliated. There can be remission. We 
witness only deaths.

Mario responds:

If it metastatizes it's generally "Hasta la vista".  Time to organize a 
farewell party and prepare to go out in style:-))

Fr. Ivo wrote:

I have seen how people with cancer of lungs, tongue, breast, prostate, 
uterus, oesophagus, liver, spleen, stomach, colon, skin, Hodgins' lymphoma 
died in spite of medical treatment...

Mario asks:

So what?  People die of other diseases as well, in spite of medical treatment.  
Others respond to medical treatment and survive.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

In short, when we speak about cancer, we cannot say that cancer in 
general is curable at the present stage of medical science. Research is 
going on to find a cure for cancer. If there is already a cure, why to spend 
millions for the research? 

Mario responds:

I don't think anyone has said that cancer is like a chest infection, which is 
why we have to continue the research so cures for more types of cancer will be 
found.

Fr. Ivo wrote:

Let us feed the hungry in India and elsewhere...

Mario responds:

A civilized society should look for medical cures, and teach the able-bodied 
hungry to feed themselves, and feed those who cannot help themselves.  Much of 
the hunger in India can be directly traced to the actions and policies of the 
government since Independence.

Re: [Goanet] Why people believe in lies?

2009-09-01 Thread Bosco D'Mello

-Original Message-
From: Mario Goveia

Mario responds:

> Those reading this and comparing it with Bosco's false characterization
> above will be able to easily see why Bosco has to resort to misrepresentations
> and abuse, because he has no facts or logic at his disposal.

RESPONSE: Abuse? Read what you write!! Therein you will find the abuse you seek.

> Has anyone seen Bosco acknowledge that seriously ill patients in Canada are 
> routinely subjected to rationed care?

RESPONSE: More distortions!!

> Has anyone seen Bosco acknowledge that MANY (caps by Bosco) Canadians have to 
> come 
> to the US, where there are no waiting lists, if they want to live?

RESPONSE: MANY?? Many as in more than Some?? Bah!! More distortions!!

> Yet, while shutting his eyes tightly to the facts that are emerging from
> the leadership physicians in Canada, he continues to describe my balanced
> reporting as "More distortions!! Accompanied with smears, personal
> invective, gratuituous comments, etc."

RESPONSE: Even more distortions!!

> Readers should make up their own minds as to who is really engaging in
> "distortions, smearing, personal invective and gratuitous comments."
> WHILE AVOIDING THE SPECIFICS OF THE DISCUSSION ALTOGETHER.

RESPONSE: Nobody is reading your bhashans. If you are looking for "distortions, 
smearing, personal invective and gratuitous comments", read what you write.

> Here we see Bosco suggesting that the last word on this subject
> should be his deliberate DISTORTIONS AND half-truths about the
> Canadian health care system, which the incoming President of the
> Canadian Medical Association recently said was "imploding".

RESPONSE: You are not a Canadian and neither do you live in Canada. 
Cut-and-paste 
artistry will not help you understand issues. You have no idea of reality in 
Canada.

> Just in case Bosco doesn't understand what the word means,
> "imploding" means, "to break down or fall apart from within."

RESPONSE: I can see your constant bouts of last-wordism on every issue is 
leading 
you to implode with regularity. Sometimes you are wrong! Just plain wrong but 
continue to froth and squirm.

> Bosco and Mervyn are "within" the Canadian health care system and
> by denying facts and incoherently lashing out at honest criticisms,
> are inhibiting any rational discussion as to what can be done about
> that sorry situation, at least in this forum.

RESPONSE: You demonstrate with regularity, you are not capable of rational 
discussion. Just.you guessed it...distortions, smearing, directing 
personal invective at others alongwith gratuitous comments. When you stop all 
this, 
I will gladly indulge in rational discussion with you.

Back to School.Say NO to Plagiarism from the cut-and-paste artists!!

- B

[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Rivals and neighbours... the Portuguese and other European powers

2009-09-01 Thread Goanet Reader

RIVALS AND NEIGHBOURS: THE PORTUGUESE AND OTHER EUROPEAN POWERS

By Teotonio R de Souza

  AFTER a first century of nearly undisputed mastery
  over the western Indian ocean, and after a
  sufficiently long spell of prosperity, misfortunes
  began falling thick and fast upon the Portuguese
  Empire.

In 1580, Portugal lost its independence and the crowns of
Spain and Portugal were united in the person of Philip II of
Spain, who assumed the title of Philip I of Portugal. True,
Portuguese administration and trade were left in the hands of
Portuguese nationals, but the royal authority in Spain showed
little concern for the growing difficulties of the Portuguese
in the East.

Portugal had no foreign policy of its own and the enemies of
Spain were turned into enemies of Portugal. Despite promises
to the contrary, Spain also used financial resources and
manpower from Portugal in order to quell Dutch insurgency
against Spanish rule.

In 1640, the Portuguese regained their independent rule, but
it was too late to repair the damage to the national and
imperial economy. The century-old fabric of the Portuguese
eastern empire had been torn apart and appropriated by its
North-European rivals.

There was also the factor of moral degeneration at work and
we have the following comment about it from a contemporary
Jesuit who was very familiar with the prevailing situation:
"From the oldest to the youngest, rare are the persons who
perform their duty. Of zeal for the service of the crown
there is little. Portuguese exploits are scarce. Graft in
administration has flourished, the martial spirit has faded;
valour is non-existent and cowardice is rampant. All these
are reasons encouraging our enemies."

These reverses had emboldened native rulers of the
neighbourhood to flout the trade restrictions of the
Portuguese and to exploit the competitive market inaugurated
by the arrival of the North-Europeans.

  What follows is a short review of a long-drawn
  conflict which deprived the Portuguese of their
  stronghold over the Asiatic trade. This review is
  indispensable as an introduction to the present
  study because the place of importance to which Goa
  had risen depended entirely on its being the
  strategic base of the Portuguese seaborne trade in
  the East. Hence, it would be unrealistic to study
  economic change at Goa merely within the confines
  of its geographical boundary.

THE PORTUGUESE AND THEIR NORTH-EUROPEAN RIVALS

Neither the English nor the Dutch had been happy with their
dependence upon the Lisbon market for the supplies of eastern
spices. It was a humiliating experience to the masters of the
carrying trade of the Baltic and of the rest of western Europe.

The merchant-adventurers of both these countries had, since
long planned and carried out successful raids upon the
home-bound wealth-laden vessels of the Iberian empires. Rich
prizes had whetted their appetites and tempted them to probe
further into the weakness of their empires. Following the
union of the crowns of Spain and Portugal, the latter as the
weaker partner drew upon itself the fury of the
North-Europeans, who fought for spices under the cloak of
nationalism and the banner of Reformation.

  The Portuguese and the English Rivals: The English
  restricted their use of force to the minimum and
  succeeded in wresting concessions from the
  Portuguese through diplomatic tact. The
  Anglo-Portuguese relations in India reflected very
  much the pattern of the Anglo-Portuguese relations
  in Europe.

More than once in moments of national crises, Portugal had
turned to England for help against enemies threatening her
independence. However, England had exploited all such
occasions by offering its alliance to further its business
interests in the trade-world of Portugal. At the dawn of the
seventeenth century, the involvement of the English in the
Asiatic trade compelled the Portuguese to buy their
neutrality with concessions. This enabled a concentration of
Portuguese forces against the Dutch aggressiveness.

In the ominous situation created by the Dutch, the Portuguese
could not prevent the English from exploiting their weakness
and from strengthening their foothold in the Surat trade.

  However, the Portuguese did use whatever little
  force they could and tried diplomatic intrigue at
  the Mughal court to discourage English trade
  ambitions. It was only after Captain Thomas Best
  had successfully resisted Portuguese attacks off
  the coast of Surat in 1612, and after Captain
  Nicholas Downton had made short work of a
  Portuguese fleet commanded personally by the
  Viceroy of Goa in 1615, that the Mughal ruler
  officially sanctioned the trade activities of the
  English in his lands

Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

Caj, The posts on Goanet are for bigots like us :-) FN
PS: We always believe that only The Other is a bigot! Even they do!

2009/9/1 Cajetan Alvares :
>  * Tue Sep 1 00:00:18 PDT 2009
> *Sandeep Heble
> 
> Hi,
> Sorry, but I fail to understand the Philosophical article on the above
> topic.
> Who demolished the statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan?
> Who wants to demolish the Babri temple?
> Writing articles on Goanet is not going to educate the above (Quote) fools
> who break the door!
> Caj.

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Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread floriano


Which Goans lived in misery during the Portuguese era?
Were they the elite Goans?
Where they  the down to earth, scratching for a living,  Goans?
Yes, we had Morris Minors, WW Beetles, Willys Jeeps, Austin Cambriges, St . 
Pauli Girl Beer, Madeira, Moscatel, Granjo so on and so forth.

But who could afford it?

According to me, Goa saw a diciplined administration in all respects. I 
salute the Portuguese for that. And I hate my own country's administration 
from my very guts. This is only possible because I have experienced both and 
I am free to choose which one I like. It does not matter that the Portuguese 
looted Goa. Our Delhi High Commands are doing worse with the local chamchas 
helping them to help themselves.


I might have not had more things on my dinner plate than others, then, 
during the Portuguese era. But I certainly had the satisfaction of being 
governed fairly, cleanly and impartially.


We have sent away the horses. They had to be sent away, no doubt about it. 
But we opened our doors wide for our own donkeys to walk in and make our 
lives miserable. And we cannot even blame any one for it but ourselves.


That is why Goa Su-Raj is born. To bring back the Portuguese administration 
into Goa back again, minus  the Portuguese.
And perhaps, if India needs someone other than the Nehru's and Gandhi's 
Kangress which has made our lives miserable, then maybe Goa Su-Raj will 
qualify to lead India as India Su-Raj.


Cheers

floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org


- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या " 


To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese



Oscar, you seem to be referring to the 19th or 20th century. The book
in question relates to 17th century Goa. Have you, by any chance, an
idea of the points it is making? Or are you going by commonly-held
perceptions which might not be grounded in reality? FN

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[Goanet] Will it kill you? New charts detail the odds - The New York Times

 

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Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread Carvalho

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:

> From: J. Colaco < jc> 
> 
> a: How does it describe misery?

RESPONSE:
Again, I don't want to address JC's infallible logic but I am left with no 
option. After confessing that he has not read the book, he goes on to tell us 
it is biased. How did JC decide something is biased without having read it. 
Interalia, intra-violet and infra-red?

Now, to his questions:

> b: Is the "misery" based on the author's 2009 understanding
> of "misery"?

RESPONSE: Misery is not such a subjective concept as JC makes it out to be. 
It's simple; a condition not condusive to living. 

> c: What exactly could and should the Portuguese (now,
> academically)have done to reasonably, remove the "misery"?

RESPONSE: The Portuguese can do nothing about it now, it's what they should 
have done about it that the author is focusing on. This question can be 
addressed to all historians writing about World War II for instance. Can they 
prevent Hitler? No, but perhaps they can prevent another Hitler from rising.

> 
> d: Were the Goans living in the same "misery" as their
> neighbours in
> Savantwadi and Karwar? or were the worse off than those
> folks?

RESPONSE: Maybe JC can take up a project that deals with Savantwadi and Karwar. 
To the best of my knowledge Doctor Teotonio specialises in medieval Goa 
history. Perhaps JC doesn't know this, but each historian will chose a time 
period to specialise in. This question is like asking JC if he can remove 
people's teeth?

> e: Were Goans better off in the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th
> century than
> in the 17th century?

RESPONSE: Interalia, infra-red, see above answer.

> f: Why did the author pick the 17th century for review?

RESPONSE: Infra-violet, infra-joao, see above answer.

> g: Why is it important that any Goan should read (let
> alone, buy) this book?

RESPONSE: Because there are people genuinely interested in history. If you are 
not, don't buy the book.

> h: Is this book meant for Goan readers (who might know
> Teotonio and
> justifiably question it) or as a book to be 'financially
> considered'
> at some Portuguese University?

RESPONSE: I suspect the book will have an universal appeal.
> 
> PS: I would have bought the book, read it and made up my
> own mind on
> the above. However, buying a book - will only encourage the
> author to
> publish more books which have the potential of being
> unreasonable and
> biased.
> 

RESPOSNE: Not reading a book is a wonderful way of deciding it is biased. I can 
also say Germans know nothing about cars and engineering having never driven a 
Mercedes and that the Japanese are superb mechanical engineers because all I 
drive is a Toyota.

> IF the book does not address the issue of "misery" in
> comparative
> terms, I am not interested. IF however, it does a
> reasonable
> comparative analysis based on credible references - I would
> encourage
> it as 'necessary reading'.

RESPONSE: Thank you for encouraging us to read it, fortunately most of us truly 
interested did not require your endorsement. We have all already placed our 
orders for it. Thanks for the thought though, after you have trashed it which 
by the way is very easy to do. All it takes is few emails in the cyberworld.

best,
selma

Re: [Goanet] Goan cyber achievers

2009-09-01 Thread Eddie Fernandes

George,

Whilst it is befitting to acknowledge the Goan cyber achievers, what about
the one who uses this forum to cast smears?

Eddie Fernandes

-Original Message-
From: George Pinto
Over the years, we have had the pleasure of JoeGoaUK's informational posts
on Goa, ALEXYZ's daily cartoon (satire), Francis' DAILY GROOK, and Cecil's
humorous weekly columns. These wonderful Goan achievers share their gifts
and talents and make Goan cyberspace a better place...

Re: [Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Cajetan Alvares  wrote:
>
> Who demolished the statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan?
> Who wants to demolish the Babri temple?
> 

Who else? Violent criminals and fanatics.

Cheers,

Santosh

[Goanet] Religion and Tolerance

2009-09-01 Thread Cajetan Alvares

 * Tue Sep 1 00:00:18 PDT 2009
*Sandeep Heble

Hi,
Sorry, but I fail to understand the Philosophical article on the above
topic.
Who demolished the statue of Buddha, in Afghanistan?
Who wants to demolish the Babri temple?
Writing articles on Goanet is not going to educate the above (Quote) fools
who break the door!
Caj.

[Goanet] Vitamin D a key player in overall health of several body organs, says UC Riverside biochemist

Vitamin D is a Key player in overall health.

Read more here.

Con

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-10/uoc--vda100908.php

Re: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Gonnsa Fog

2009-09-01 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

Most of these fog items have alternate Konknni names. Here they are:

1. GIRGIRIM (sing. Girgirem) - Daatim (sing. Daatem)

2. SURSURIM (sing. Sursurem) - Chondorjoti (sing. Chondorjot)

3. PAUS (Sing/Pl. Paus) - Naargaam (sing. Naaring)

6. BOMB (sing/Pl. Bomb) - Gornaal (sing. Gornaal)

10. SURSURIM - Zhozhogit Kaadyo (sing. Zhozhogit Kaadi)

11. ROKET (pl. Rokettam) - Baann (plur. Baann)

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Tue, 9/1/09, JoeGoaUk  wrote:
> 
> Now let’s talk about ‘gonnsa fog’
> It nothing but the fire works such as  fire crackers/
> coloured 
> display, bombs, rockets etc
> 
> Every year, there was a hug fire work display at our house
> 
> during Ganesh Chaturthi.
>

Re: [Goanet] Goan associations

2009-09-01 Thread bernard dcosta

Hi
We in Delhi are having the sane problem
Goan sports football team has has no Goan players and the St Francis Xaviers
club 
has only one person staying.
Most probably Goans prefer going to the gulf.Hence this sorry state of
affairs
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:04 AM, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:

> 
>
>   August 25, 2009 - Goanet's 15th Anniversary
>
> 
>
>  Eugene Correia  wrote:
>
> As regards Goan associations, even the Toronto-based Goan Overseas
> Association (GOA) is facing membership problems. The number of members
> has dwindled down to about 700 from at least more than a 1000 some
> years ago.
>
> So, what is the way forward? Is George's suggestions valid in the
> context of what the GOA is facing?
>
> The GOA has tried and keeps on trying to have all kinds of events and
> initiatives to make the young Goans aware of Goan culture and
> heritage. Is is having little or no effect.
>
> I was told that the Viva Goa soccer tournament had two Punjabi teams
>
> The prospect of GOA shutting down is staring in its face. The
> membership now has mostly patrons and life members. The number of
> these two groups is getting less with deaths.
>
> It's sad but true that Goan associations everywhere face the same
> problem of survival.
>
> == == ==
>
> My two cents worth and this relates only to Goan Associations Overseas.
>
> In random order:
>
> 1: Every organisation depends upon the young folks participating, and
> taking the lead.
>
> 2: It appears that whenever somebody tries to take the lead or
> organise a function, someone comes and blows that function apart.  Let
> us, if we can, take the example of last year's Goan function in
> Toronto. Despite ALL the good work done by those who participated,
> just look at the damage done by a set of scurrilous (IMHO) articles
> plastered all over GoaNet about two of the main organisers of that
> function + the totally unnecessary "introduction" (for want of a
> better word) of the couple's daughter. Did the alleged journalist even
> bother to speak to the couple involved?
>
> 3: What are the chances that this couple and their children (and other
> Goans involved in the organisation of that event) will participate in
> the organisation of any future Goan events.
>
> 4: What are the chances that ANY other self respecting and respected
> Goan in Toronto will take such an undertaking after that absolutely
> disgraceful attack on the couple?
>
> 5: If there was a problem with the organisation of that function,
> could it NOT have been dealt with internally FIRST?
>
> 6: Is it too much to ask that the person who writes this 'tabloid'
> stuff, asks all the key players before writing?
>
> 7: What was the idea? To build the Goan organisation ..or to break it
> down?
>
> I will omit at this time the type of chicannery which went on when the
> Lion hearted Rene Baretto tried to develop Goans International. We got
> wind of this undercurrent ONLY through two misdirected emails (reached
> us accidentaly instead of just circulating in the Goan
> cyber-underground).  To his credit, Rene continues giving his 110% to
> the cause.
>
> 8: Goans must accept that imposing 'Goan culture' and this 'S-Konkani'
> will NOT work with the young Goans. If the parents speak in One
> Konkani and the children are taught this different Konkani . it
> will just be another subject to learn and forget like Sanskrit and
> Latin.
>
> 9: In general, I believe that educated Goans have lost the personal
> civility that educated  Goans displayed a few decades ago. It is
> almost that - after a few drinks - we are gone hunting. I do not see
> us impressing the youth with this type of Goan culture. They might as
> well look elsewhere.
>
> 10: As a young person, I would love to go back home to Goa. It was
> clean, quiet and peaceful. Sure the only lights we had in the
> villages, were the odd Alladin lamps, several Petromaxes, the Oil
> lamps and the fire flies. But it was Home without this destructive
> concretization, corruption choas and filth. Why would any overseas
> young person want to travel to Goa except to see the grand-parents and
> remaining relatives?
>
> 11: When one goes to a Goan function, what kind of music does one
> hear? A fake, disaffinado version of some old Portuguese tune or some
> Bhangra music. Do tell me what it is in the music that will attract
> overseas Goans .in terms of Classic and well conducted music in
> the league of Maestro Antonio Figueiredo? (The good Victor
> Rangel-Ribeiro's recent stint having been noted)
>
> 12: As young Goans travel and live abroad, they are likely to meet
> young people in the communities they live. They are likely to develop
> relationships there and marry there. That is beneficial mixing of the
> gene pool. Imagine the gene pool if people from Carabolim (where we
> hail from) married only

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread J. Colaco < jc>

Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: Oscar, you seem to be referring to the
19th or 20th century. The book in question relates to 17th century
Goa. Have you, by any chance, an idea of the points it is making?


My dear Oscar Lobo,

Allow me to preface my comment/questions with the following:

Preface:

1: I have not read the book; Have you?
2: I do not intend to read the book - unless it is a comparative
analysis of the time; Do you?
3: I am not yet convinced that the book is likely to have any
relevance to Goans circa 2009; Are you?
4: I was not in Goa in the 17th century; Were you?
5: I personally do not believe that Teotonio de Souza is an unbiased historian.

Comment/questions - addressed to those who have read the book:

How does this book address the issue of "Misery" wrt the following points:

a: How does it describe misery?
b: Is the "misery" based on the author's 2009 understanding of "misery"?
c: What exactly could and should the Portuguese (now, academically)
have done to reasonably, remove the "misery"?
d: Were the Goans living in the same "misery" as their neighbours in
Savantwadi and Karwar? or were the worse off than those folks?
e: Were Goans better off in the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th century than
in the 17th century?
f: Why did the author pick the 17th century for review?
g: Why is it important that any Goan should read (let alone, buy) this book?
h: Is this book meant for Goan readers (who might know Teotonio and
justifiably question it) or as a book to be 'financially considered'
at some Portuguese University?

PS: I would have bought the book, read it and made up my own mind on
the above. However, buying a book - will only encourage the author to
publish more books which have the potential of being unreasonable and
biased.

IF the book does not address the issue of "misery" in comparative
terms, I am not interested. IF however, it does a reasonable
comparative analysis based on credible references - I would encourage
it as 'necessary reading'.

So while those among us criticise Teotonio's book without reading
it, and individuals like FN ask the reasonable question: Have you read
it?

Conclusion: Someone who has read it, please advise.

Sincerely

jc

Re: [Goanet] The rise and fall of a man consumed with a passion tobe Indias' PM

2009-09-01 Thread floriano


Dear Col.,

Thank you for saying what you have said and thank you for the 
acknowledgement.

The Loh Purush has at last 'melted'
This melt is a lot different than the melt of the Silver idols and artifacts 
that were lovingly gifted to him (Advani) during the Rath/Ram Yatras by 
gullible people, of course, for no fault of theirs. This Loh Purush had 
these melted in Mumbai to turn these into cooking utensils for his home. 
This is according to none other than his own daughter-in-law who was up in 
arms against this mad-man but he was successful in appeasing her afterall, 
just like he did the same with Liberhan Commission. The Commission report 
was timed in such a way (after 17 long years)  by the time it was released, 
he expected to be sitting on the PM's chair. This Jako must go to jail, even 
if it is a token one day affair for the demolition of the Babri Masjid.  'Jo 
karne Gaye, who karke ayem' . These are his words according to his 
daughter-in-law. And he has the cheek to deny his involvement in the 
demolition.



I had seen through this evil person a long time ago. When Manohar Parrikar's 
brother Audhut  told me that I should consider joining the BJP ( circa 
1993/4), as a good friend of course, I had said 'why not'? But there was one 
condition I had told him. Advani must be shut inside Tihar Jail. He had 
never pursued this or any other topic with me after this.


I have openly declared that if Advani became India's Prime Minister, I, 
floriano lobo, would spit on his face if I got the chance. And I would do it 
too.


You don't melt Gods that are gifted to you. Gods melts you if you did.
This has come to pass with Advani. He has been MELTED.

Col, we must meet some day to exchange a few pleasantries.

floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
www.goasu-raj.org




- Original Message - 
From: "cyril D'Souza" 

To: "Goanet" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The rise and fall of a man consumed with a passion 
tobe Indias' PM





Dear Mr.Floriano Lobo ,

you have aptly described the BJP Cobra/ wolf -  L.K.Advani whose only 
dream was to sit in the PMs chair at any cost - even at the cost of 
innocent lives . We cannot forget the lives lost at the time of his 
infamous Rath - yatras that were purposely taken through muslim areas ( 
even those areas that had a history of communal harmony had witnessed 
their first disturbances ) to disturb the peaceful fabric of the country. 
We cannot forget the tears in the eyes of innocent women and children and 
even scared boys that cried like babies whenever we tookout flag-marches - 
how they pleaded with us for peace .


The destruction of the Babri - Masjid was instigated by Advani and the 
resulting riots and bomb blasts were all due to his passion - nay not for 
the betterment of the country and its countrymen but to sit in the PMs 
chair.


The world has seen the fall of greatest dictators like Idi Amin Dada, 
Hitler ,Saddam Hussein etc and we all sighed in relief on May 16th this 
year when God in his goodness spared our country and our countrymen from 
the hands of an evil monger and would be a de-facto dictator - who would 
have destroyed the country .


Thank God for a strong leader we have in Dr.Manmohan Singh.

God Bless our country always

Col. Cyril P.D'Souza( Retd.)

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

Oscar, you seem to be referring to the 19th or 20th century. The book
in question relates to 17th century Goa. Have you, by any chance, an
idea of the points it is making? Or are you going by commonly-held
perceptions which might not be grounded in reality? FN

2009/9/1 Oscar Lobo :
> Re: Goans lived in misery under Portuguese.
> It is interesting to see comments made about Goans living in misery
> during Portuguese rule. I must say these are "shamai stories" heard by Goans
> who were not in Goa. Some Goans of Bombay who left Goa would also say the
> same as they did not want to learn Portuguese language to get a job in
> government and other offices in Goa.
> I was raised up in Goa and educated in St. Britto's High School.
> The Goans had indeed plenty to eat, drink and share with the neighbours.
> What are we talking about like some Ladro, Pedro and Ladrao?
> It surprises me that people who do not have a clue just depend on books that
> are written to attract readership and keep commenting about Goa.
> If not for Portuguese what would our names be today? And why are some
> Portuguese words still incorporated in Konkani?

-- 
FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490
Konkani adages  http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/
Medieval Goa http://medieval-goa.notlong.com/

Re: [Goanet] Flattery, stealth and intimidation

2009-09-01 Thread Ashley D'silva

Hello Cecil,

I enjoyed your article - those were the good old days.

Ashley D'Silva

Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport

2009-09-01 Thread J. Colaco < jc>

Selma Carvalho wrote the following:

1: Now the Doctor is just pushing the limits of credibility.
2: In his previous post he told us the topic was about jobs IN Swindon.
3: Quero um fusco?


jc's response:

a: May I ask Selma, WHICH part of my 'previous' post said anything
about "jobs IN Swindon"

b: Is this another one of those "A whole generation of Goan Hindus is
being trained to hate Catholics" stories?

c: re #3 above, I'd say 'Bravo' to you and the GoaNet moderator

jc

Re: [Goanet] Goans lived in misery under Portuguese

2009-09-01 Thread Oscar Lobo

Dear Bosco,

Kindly post the following on your next Goanet Digest.

Re: Goans lived in misery under Portuguese.

It is interesting to see comments made about Goans living in misery
during Portuguese rule. I must say these are "shamai stories" heard by Goans
who were not in Goa. Some Goans of Bombay who left Goa would also say the
same as they did not want to learn Portuguese language to get a job in
government and other offices in Goa.

I was raised up in Goa and educated in St. Britto's High School.
The Goans had indeed plenty to eat, drink and share with the neighbours.
What are we talking about like some Ladro, Pedro and Ladrao?

It surprises me that people who do not have a clue just depend on books that
are written to attract readership and keep commenting about Goa.

If not for Portuguese what would our names be today? And why are some
Portuguese words still incorporated in Konkani?

Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.


From: Mario Goveia 

Mario observes:

Gabriel,

Teotonio was reporting on an interview with Ramnath Raikar about a book he
wrote on Goa.

Getting back to your post, Goans certainly had plenty to eat and drink and
places to sleep under their colonial masters - they would be useless to a
colonial power if they did not have these survival needs.

Slaves, too, had food to eat and places to sleep.? I doubt they were very
happy though.

Doesn't happiness ultimately come from the inalienable Right to Liberty??

[Goanet] Black tea--helpful or harmful? A review of the evi...[Eur J Clin Nutr. 2007] - PubMed Result

 Is Tea healthier  for you than water?
Find out more here.

Con

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16855537?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Re: [Goanet] The rise and fall of a man consumed with a passion to be Indias' PM

2009-09-01 Thread cyril D'Souza


 Dear Mr.Floriano Lobo ,

you have aptly described the BJP Cobra/ wolf -  L.K.Advani whose only dream was 
to 
sit in the PMs chair at any cost - even at the cost of innocent lives . We 
cannot 
forget the lives lost at the time of his infamous Rath - yatras that were 
purposely 
taken through muslim areas ( even those areas that had a history of communal 
harmony 
had witnessed their first disturbances ) to disturb the peaceful fabric of the 
country. We cannot forget the tears in the eyes of innocent women and children 
and 
even scared boys that cried like babies whenever we tookout flag-marches - how 
they 
pleaded with us for peace .

The destruction of the Babri - Masjid was instigated by Advani and the 
resulting 
riots and bomb blasts were all due to his passion - nay not for the betterment 
of 
the country and its countrymen but to sit in the PMs chair.

The world has seen the fall of greatest dictators like Idi Amin Dada, Hitler 
,Saddam 
Hussein etc and we all sighed in relief on May 16th this year when God in his 
goodness spared our country and our countrymen from the hands of an evil monger 
and 
would be a de-facto dictator - who would have destroyed the country .

Thank God for a strong leader we have in Dr.Manmohan Singh.

God Bless our country always

Col. Cyril P.D'Souza( Retd.)

[Goanet] 6 Food Mistakes Parents Make - NYTimes.com

Common  food mistakes parents  make with children.

Learn here.

Con
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/health/healthspecial2/15eat.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

Re: [Goanet] Restoration of Dr Gomes' house, old municipal building likely

2009-09-01 Thread Ashley D'silva

Hello Goanet,
Can I have the email of Mr. Coutinho pls so that I can support him ?
Thank you,
Ashley D'Silva
email: ashley.dsi...@mycareinternational.com

-Original Message-
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Goanet News Service
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:27 AM
To: Goanet
Subject: [Goanet] Restoration of Dr Gomes' house, old municipal building
likely

Restoration of Dr Gomes' house,old municipal building likely

MARGAO, AUG 31

These two structures of heritage value - the Old Municipal building and the 
ancestral house of Dr Francisco Luis Gomes - might have been virtually lying
in 
ruins over the years.

But, if the plan mooted by the Margao Civic body is anything to go by, these

structures may be restored to its lost glory and preserved for posterity.

Members of the Goa Heritage Action Group were in the city on Monday upon an 
invitation from the Margao Municipal chief over the restoration of the old
Municipal 
building located at the Old Market and the ancestral house of Dr Francisco
Luis 
Gomes in Colmorod-Navelim.

Historian Prajal Sakhardande of the Goa Heritage Action Group visited Dr
Gomes' 
house at Colmorod and disclosed plans to preserve the structure for
posterity. "This 
was Dr Gomes' house since 1829. We have come to see the house because we
want 
students and people to remember this great man", he added. "Dr Gomes was a
great 
nationalist and was a parliamentarian of repute", he said, adding "it is
hearting to 
know that the Margao Civic Chief want to preserve the house for posterity.

Says Coutinho: "We have invited Sakhardande to inspect the old municipal
building 
and the house of Dr Gomes as the Council felt that something needs to be
done to 
maintain and protect the heritage landmarks".

Aware that both the old Municipal building and the house of Dr Gomes are now
owned 
by private parties, Coutinho said the Council discussed with Sakhardande the

ownership issue of these structures, adding "as far as possible, the Council
will 
seek the cooperation of the private parties to restore the buildings.

"The government remembers Dr Gomes time and again, but it is high time that
his 
ancestral house is converted into a museum, where his works can be housed
for the 
benefit of posterity", Coutinho added.

The Margao Civic Chief has even suggested to the government to compensate
the 
private parties and acquire the building at market rates. "On September 30,
we will 
be commemorating 140th anniversary of Dr Gomes. I hope the government will
take up 
the matter in right earnest and acquire the house and preserve his works for

posterity", he asserted.


http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=26696&cid=26

[Goanet] Talking Photo: Where is your Road discipline, Mr. Education Minister?

2009-09-01 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक न ोरोन्या

'Baachon! Kuch sikna hai to hamare Xikxonn Mantri se siko'

Where is your Road discipline, Mr. Education Minister?

And you, Mr. City Commissioner?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/3874695417/sizes/l/

see the traffic built-up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/3874698653/sizes/l/


See here if you can identify the minister, Commissioner, dy. Mayor, Councilor 
etc
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/387469/sizes/l/
Minister not clearly visible.

Minister car was there for about  30 minutes
And CCP Commissioner’s 15 minutes

Note: We are not just after the Minister, it could be any one.
We just happened to see Babush coming out of the car, so we stopped.

Now, you may want to know what they are all discussing about?
Well, two possibilities:
1. Setting up of another food court here say ‘Bhaya’s Paum Bhaji’
2. JoeGoaUk  Son’s wedding proposal which he was talking about 
recently that he wants to hold it at DB Road opp Old GMC. Where you 
see them standing is the place opp GMC. The Road and Part of GMC also seen

What else it could be?


as for the other Veg. food Court, talked about recently (Re. Pvt. Party 
on PUBLIC Road) innaugurated on 30th, one of the food speciality being 'Jain 
Food' so the menu board says at the main gate.

see the pic (car park etc)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/3874699337/

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/  
For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa  
In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

Re: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked. Cedrico = Jamima

Dear all: Using a pseudonym to target someone else can sometimes be
problematic or troublesome. (I say *sometimes* because, at other
times, there could well be a reason for it. There was a big debate
elsewhere in cyberspace not long ago about the now-inactive
penpricks.blogspot.com anonymous-except-towards-the-end blog on Goan
journalism.)

A couple of points I'd like to add:

* This is not the only critique of Rajan Parrikar's Rape of Goa, and
not all are anonymous. While Rajan responds here by attacking the
anonymity, there are other crucial (in my view) issues raised by the
other RP bete noir Jason Keith Fernandes here:
http://dervishnotes.blogspot.com/2008/06/rape-of-goaas-tool-to-save-goa.html

QUOTE

‘The Rape of Goa’ is filled not only with multiple images of violences
being visited on Goa and Goans, it is also filled with captions that
provoke the viewer. In this slick production, music lends itself to
the captions presented to the viewer. These captions by and large
point out that the ‘developments’ in Goa are by outsiders and for
outsiders, in connivance with a bunch of politicians, builders and
miners. Overcome with the visuals being presented, one of the viewers
at the Hotel Mandovi, was forced to cry out “Ye soglen Ghanti!” (All
these Ghatties!). This is exactly the kind of response that ‘The Rape
of Goa’ is expected to draw. The documentary seeks to provoke you, and
then push you into a series of actions based on that provocation.

UNQUOTE

and also

QUOTE:

Goa has seen numerous movements in the past, one of which was the
Konkani language agitation that similarly created the enemy in the
shape of Marathi. This image of the enemy was mobilized the masses,
who were eventually let down. The goodies of state recognition were
gathered by elite groups, and those reliant on the Roman script were
left out, as their accent and script was deemed less that proper. In
this context then, we must perhaps contemplate if what we had were not
mass movements but mob movements? Mobs that were created, and
carefully manipulated by those at the helm of power? The common person
is not served by such mobilizations, only elite groups are, and in the
present mobilization we should strive hard to stay away from such
tendencies.

UNQUOTE

There are indeed issues worth discussing more closely here.

At another level, I know that Rajan Parrikar also once accused me of
writing a (badly penned, I would say) article under the name of
Someone Waghmare. This article was a boorish defence of the right to
in-migrate into Goa. (While I do believe that migrants into Goa should
have their rights too, I do not agree that just about any silly
arguments should be used to debate this. Using poor arguments and
badly-crafted ones could actually be counterproductive and cause more
trouble than anything else to an already largely disempowered section
of the population.)

Partly out of pique and as a strategy, I consciously kept silent for
awhile, and let Rajan repeat his charges, which he did publicly though
covering it with a laugh at Cafe Prakash too. On being challenged a
bit later, he simply pointed to the charge as having emanated from a
common friend, Soter! This is hardly a defence, as there is no reason
to even repeat false accusations.

But after repeating the charge a few more times, I'm sure these guys
still sometimes believe I'm the 'Waghmare' behind the article! So much
for pseudonyms! FN

2009/8/31 Benedict Lobo :
> Looks like a job well done by Parrrikar.
> If not,, Jamima (if that is your real name) is free
> to call me on 050-6746091and who knows you
> might actually convince us.Whoever you are, as a  ...

>> From: Jamima Dias 
>> Subject: [Goanet] Dubai-AUH Goans Beware
>>Dear Goan brothers in Dubai=AUH.
>>there is an attempt to further polarise the Goan community by
>>injecting bitter bile and poison your minds about Goa through
>>a campaign by raising panic among the Goans in Dubai and Auh.
>>Please do not fall prey to any malicious presentations through
>>photography being used to promote a hidden communial agenda
>>and try and target a secular democratically elected Goan government.
>>It is a shame that the Dubai church, or parish, overtly controlled
>>by the malyalam fathers will allow the small group of Goans
>>promoting the 'save Goa issue which is actually a front
>>supported by Goa's main opposition party the BJP through
>>photo campaigns and strong bitter words like loot and Rape.
>>Please avoid this and boycott such meetings and people.
>>A hard effort was made recently by the same fellows to
>>encroach into Goan communities in Oman. The perpetuator
>>of the documentary titled, rape of Goa was shunted out and
>>shown the door as all in Oman are aware of his communial
>>linkage with top anti minority parties in Goa.
>>
>>Please be careful my dear fellow Goans in the Gulf.
>>
>>Kind regards
>>Jamima

-- 
FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490
Konkani adages  http://konkani-adages.notlong.com/
Medieval Goa http

[Goanet] DEATH OF GIL FLORES

2009-09-01 Thread Antonio Mascarenhas

Flores, Gil H.A., Ph.D.

Gil Flores (ex-Margao, Goa, and Kampala, Uganda) passed away peacefully at 
Milton 
District Hospital on Monday, August 31, 2009 at the age of 66, after a long 
courageous battle with cancer.  Beloved husband of Loretta.  Loving father of 
Carlos, Karen, Michelle and her husband Neville.  He will be sadly missed by 
his 
extended family and friends.  Special thanks to Dr. Suzanne Trudel for her 
dedicated 
care.  Friends may call at the Turner & Porter "Peel" Chapel 2180 Hurontario 
St., 
Mississauga (Hwy 10 N. of QEW) on Tuesday & Wednesday from 7-9 p.m.  Funeral 
Mass to 
be held at Sts. Peter & Paul Church, 4070 Central Pkwy E., Mississauga, North 
of 
Burnhamthorpe on Thursday, September 3, 2009 at 9:30 a.m.  Interment St. Mary's 
Cemetery, Mississauga.

[Goanet] The Conservative Mindset

2009-09-01 Thread Gilbert Lawrence

Many goanetters are fed-up of listening to the right-wing propaganda on 
goanet.  Consider yourself lucky, that you do not live or work at University of 
Toldeo, Ohio.

Read the two links below; specially the responses to the articles.

Is this very strange coincidence? or Now, you'll know the story behind the 
story of the goanetter's likely frame of mind.
Regards, GL

http://www.independentcollegian.com/news/college-republicans-to-identify-liberal-professors-1.1849825

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/31/college-republicans-to-id_n_273167.html

[Goanet] THE GREAT BIG BOOK FUN DAY

2009-09-01 Thread sujata noronha

This September Bookworm completes 4 years!

To celebrate we are organising an book game event together with SEQC, THE GREAT 
BIG
BOOK FUN DAY at Gaspar Dias Hall on Saturday 5th Sept. from 2.30 pm Events for 
all
ages 6 and over. Prizes sponsored by The Reading Habit, Snack stall by the YMCA
Womens Wing and Book Sales as well. We assure you an evening immersed in the 
wonder
of books.

Visit our  blog: http://goabookworm.wordpress.com
9823222665 or -832-2420146. Bluebelle 2nd Fl, Tamba Colony, St. Inez.


Goanet Calendar
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[Goanet] Talking Photo: Gonnsa Fog

Talking Photo: Gonnsa Fog
 
 
To us ‘Ganesh Chaturthi’ means just two things:
‘Gonnsa Neurio’ & ‘Gonnsa Fog’
 
Gonnsa Neurio are same as our ‘Natlam Neurio’ with same type of Neuri-fillings 
such as Sweetened 
Coconut gratings, Gram flour, Rawa etc.
See a pic in the end. Only given to us today 31st Aug.2009 by one of our Hindu 
Friends.
 
Now let’s talk about ‘gonnsa fog’
 
It nothing but the fire works such as  fire crackers/ coloured display, bombs, 
rockets etc
 
Every year, there was a hug fire work display at our house during Ganesh 
Chaturthi.
We being the richest in our locality (Tarvotti Father remember?), all the 
children used to gather at our place on
 a particular day. My father gave me just Rs.5 and with that I got loads of 
‘gonnsa fog’ from the market.  After 
some years, I remember, my budget for ‘gonnsa fog’ gone upto Rs.50 (thanks to 
my Dad) and it remain steady
 for several more years.
 
Today, the then Rs.50 would equals to about Rs.800-1000.
 
OK, let me mention the each type of ‘gonnsa fog’ that I used to buy or fire.
 
Following are the typical items:
 
1. GIRGIRIM (sing. Girgirem)
These are coiled round type, once alight, they go round and round like a too 
but all over giveng spark through out. 
It has to be positioned the right way (not upside down) before lighing.  
Beware: It may (very rarely) blow like a 
bomb. There are up to three sizes. Small, medium and Large costing 10p, 25p & 
50p respectively.
 
2. SURSURIM (sing. Sursurem)
These are hand-held which give starry sparkles or display.  Very common during 
Diwali too. Very Cheap. 
5 paise each or pay 50p for a box of 12 sticks.
 
3. PAUS (Sing/Pl. Paus)
These are cone shaped  and once lighted, it will go up and come down like RAIN 
hence we called it ‘PAUS’
Again it comes with 3 sizes and with same price tag as in No. 1 above.
However, very large one also available like the one used at the church vesper, 
feasts etc.
Once, in a hurry, the lighted cone which was standing vertical accidentally 
fell in its horizontal position, which 
resulted in a deep hole in our red cemented verandah floor. I got ‘solid’ 
scolding from my parents.
 
4. SOROP (with  paper picture)
Long paper picture of snake with fire  attachment underneath.
One lighted, it will run helt-skelter or in a zig-zag direction like a snake.
It’s cost was 10p
 
5. SOROP 2 or SORPA GULLIO (sing/pl. sorop)
Again, this is about a snake. Or snake pills (Sorpa Gullio).
Round (the size of Crocine tablets or Std pills size)  but dark colour.
You light anywhere on it and a dark snake will come out, as if coming from the 
ground.
It can be up to 1 meter long. Once the snake formation process was over, it 
will give out an unpleasant smell like
 that of  burnt tar/rubber/tyre/carbon 
It can stain your floor so place on a dark paper etc
Small box would cost 10p for 5 tablets.
This item very hard to find now. I guess it is not very popular so many 
shops/dealer don keep with them..
 
6. BOMB (sing/Pl. Bomb)
Small paper wrapped heavy stones like wrappers.
Just strike it hard on a hard or cemented floor (including roads) and it will 
burst instantly making louder bomb
 like sound..
Each cost 5p
 
7.  SURSURIM 2
These are again hand held but long like a rope.
It’s is sort of a sparkling display.
Cost 15p
 
8. ARM (pl. Arma)
It’s a postol a metal one.
It will take a strip of bullets and one can fire continuously for about 25 
shots..
Cost was Rs.1.50
 
9. ARMA GULLIO  or Roketta Gullio
Cartridges for pistol. A long red colour strip of cartridges coiled into a tiny 
round box and was sold separately for 
5p each.
Similar round box came with separate or individual red coloured round catriges 
for rockets see 13
 
10. SURSURIM 3
Long and round tubular, little wider than a pencil.
Handheld and it would give multicolor display
15p each stck.
 
11.ROKET (pl. Rokettam)
This is something that came later.
For a safe lighting, it is always advisable to insert it in bottle (with stick 
inside) so that it goes straight up vertically.
There was an incidence, when lighted in hand, it straight went and hit a nearby 
hut but we quickly run and put off 
the fire. 
Re.1
 
12. Rokett 2
Sadly, we do not find it now.
It needed a thread or string to be tied to two poles or coconut trees.
When lighted, the rocket will go forward and backwaor with high speed.
Re.1
 
13. Rokett 3
It was like a badminton shuttle cork. With plastic body with metal sort of 
striker with a spring and a metal plate.. 
We used to place one round red cartridge underneath  the metal striker.
We then throw the rocket up and then it will always come down with the heavier 
side downward and once it hit 
the floor, it would burst with the same sound as in the case of above gun or 
pistol.
15p for the rocket and 5 p for the box of say 50 individual round   cartridges. 
This item is no longer available now. This item was also available at feast 
fair with ‘pernim’.
 
Do you remember any other type of ‘Gonnsa fog’
 
Note: Above serial n

[Goanet] Take a close look at this...

2009-09-01 Thread Frederick Noronha

X. PROCEDURE FOR ALLOTMENT OF COMUNIDADE LAND (PLOT) BY
AUCTION/WITHOUT AUCTION :-

1. A list of vacant plots are published in the Government
Gazette by the Administrator in the month of January every
year.

2. Any person who is eligible and desirous of obtaining a
plot may apply to the Administrator of Comunidades, alongwith
the process fees.

3. On receipt of such application, the Secretary of the
office of the Administrator will issue a notice published in
two successive Government Gazettes calling for objections
within a period of 30 days from the second publication.

4. The Secretary issues a Certificate, as to the vacancy of
the land irrespective of any objections received or not.

5. The file is then sent to the respective Comunidades
alongwith objections received, if any for obtaining the
opinion of the Comunidade and the Managing Committee within a
period of 30 days.

6. On obtaining the opinion of the Comunidade and the
Managing Committee, on the application, the file is then
returned back to the Administrator's office for completion of
further formalities.

7. If the application is for allotment of plot by auction the
notice fixing the date of auction is published in the
Official Gazzette and two daily local newspapers (one in
English and one in Marathi) by the Administrator , after
ascertaining the market value of the land.

8. Any eligible person, fulfilling the conditions laid down
by the Administrator, can participate in the auction on the
appointed date and time. The plot is allotted to the highest
bidder, after obtaining deposit of one year's lease rent.

9. The file alongwith all the required documents and
completion of all the procedure as listed out in the
prescribed checklist is then sent to the office of the
Collector/D.C.A

10. If the application is for allotment of plot without
auction after complying with all formalities upto point No. 7
above, the Administrator alongwith the appraiser valuers (in
case appointed) and the Attorney and Clerk of the
Comunidades, carries out the inspection of the plot,
demarcates the land and fixes the market value of the said
land. Thereafter the file is referred to the Collector
/D.C.A. as per point No. 9 above.

11. The office of the Collector/D.C.A. scrutinizes the file
and if found in order, submits it to the Government for
approval and decision thereon under Article 335 of the Code
of Comunidade. The process for allotment of Comunidade plot
is completed only after obtaining approval from Government.

12. After obtaining approval of Government the file is then
returned to the respective Comunidade for handing over the
provisional possession of the plot to the highest
bidder/applicant.

13. The allottee, on taking over such possession of the plot,
has to complete all formalities of obtaining necessary
permissions and has to complete the construction, occupying
an area of 1/5 of the total area , within 4 years ( extended
to one year, if applied in time) from the date of allotment,
failing which the plot will be reverted back to the
Comunidade.

XXI. ELIGIBILITY OF PERSONS FOR ALLOTMENT OF COMUNIDADE LAND
BY AUCTION :-

1. A landless and homeless person can participate in any
auction of the plots belonging to any commuidade where he
desires to construct a house.

2. At the time of auction, the applicant is required to
produce a certificate (swear an affidavit) stating the
applicant, the applicant's spouse, and their minor children
do not own any house or land within the state of Goa.

XXII. CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR ALLOTMENT OF
COMUNIDADE LAND WITHOUT THE FORMALITIES OF AUCTION :-

1. Public Charitable or Religious Institutions.
2. Any schemes providing housing to the economically weaker
sections.
3. Small Scale Industrial Purposes.
4. Government Departments or local bodies.
5. Co-operative Housing Societies and landless persons.
6. Government Servants who are landless.
7. Employees of Comunidades who are landless.
8. Landless Joneiros
9. Landless Freedom Fighters.
10.Landless Ex- Servicemen of Goan Origin of the State of Goa
and their widows.
11. Landless Sportsmen of Goan Origin of the State of Goa
12. Landless employees of the High Court of the Jurisdiction
at Bombay, Goa Bench, Panaji and who were employees of the
erstwhile Court of the Judicial Commissioner, Panaji
13. Such other categories or purposes as may be notified by
the Government from time to time. The Comunidade may grant on
lease 1000 sq. mts. of land to Educational Societies f or
construction of playground and to the Institutions of Public
Utility and the Association of public bodies recognised by
the Government for construction of houses. The Comunidade may
also grant not more than 400 sq. mts. of land for
construction of house or building without formalities of
auction the above mentioned categories or purposes

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:tW6Qq9N3OWcJ:northgoa.gov.in/charter.pdf+District+Magistrate+number+North+Goa&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=in&client=firefox

[Goanet] Reassuring visit to Goa by Jairam Ramesh Union Minister for Enviornment & Forests .

2009-09-01 Thread Goa Desc

---
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your
family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help CONSUMERS in Goa to be better informed.
--
---
Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre (GDRC)
Email: goad...@bsnl.in
---
---
Reassuring visit by Jairam Ramesh
---

by Nandkumar Kamat

Before I saw and heard him he was for me a thinker, popular columnist
and critical economic analyst. But after experiencing him for more then
three hours I could see that he is what he writes and believes in. There is
no contradiction between his words and deeds, thoughts and actions.
I have just returned after participating in a largely attended public
meeting
at Father Agnel Polytechnic, Verna on CRZ, 1991 improvement chaired
by the Union Minister for Environment and Forests, Mr Jairam Ramesh.
The meeting was third in a series in India on the report of the expert
committee on CMZ 2008 notification. The government under a unique
initiative from the minister himself wishes to listen from stakeholders and
especially people from traditional occupations in coastal areas. Two more
meetings are planned at Kochi and Bhubaneshwar.

My first impression from the meeting was that the minister is his own man.
He knows the business of his department very well and is keen to involve
the people of India especially those who never had a voice in decision-
making. The tasks ahead would not be easy for him but I could see that
there is a degree of dynamism in the personality of the minister and he is
willing to accommodate a cross section of ideas.

Mr Jairam Ramesh is actually an engineer, a distinguished alumni of
Mumbai’s IIT. Then he shifted to study public policy and management at
Carnegie Mellon University. He has to his credit the experience in the
prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) where he studied
technology policy, economics, engineering and management. Mr Ramesh
helped to steer the course of Indian economic reforms from 1991 to 1997.
It makes a huge difference when a public policy expert and economist with
background of engineering handles the sensitive ministry of environment
and forests. After taking over the ministry, the first important decision
that
Mr Ramesh took was to initiate action to abandon the controversial
coastal management zone notification, 2008. Then he undertook important
structural and functional reforms within the ministry beginning with
revamping of the 18 years old CRZ. He made some important
observations and announcements at Verna.

Procrastination and Violation
As the atmosphere in the meeting was heating up, he took charge to pacify
the people who were expressing their scepticism about local administration.
I’m sure that both the chief minister and the state minister for environment

sharing the dais with him would profit from the meeting and carry important
messages home. They need to appreciate the statesman-like maturity of
Mr Ramesh in even accepting critical comments from the members of the
public and accusations hurled against his own ministry.

The Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat who has excellent personal
equation with Mr Ramesh was instrumental in arranging his visit. CRZ
implementation in Goa has been very vague and the state has earned the
reputation for violations instead of making a mark in eco-conservation.
In its’ notification on Goa State Coastal Zone Management Plan,
September 27, 1996, the central government had directed the state
government to delineate on the maps LTL, HTL, 200 metres, 500 metres
lines and other relevant lines in respect of creeks, backwaters and rivers
affected by tidal action so that distances can be measured, whenever
required. The politicians procrastinated to do any marking. After it paid
the NIO more than Rs 40 lakhs to get HTL and LTL delineation in 2000,
the work was stretched on and on for several years. The ambiguity of
delineating HTL and LTL helped the violations. On top of this despite
universal understanding of simple geographical and hydrographical
entities–bay areas such as Bambolim, Siridao, Caranzalem, were
deliberately marked as rivers and estuaries to give benefit of doubt to
the private commercial interests. What the age-old Portuguese maps
had marked as bays overnight became extensions of rivers or estuaries.

Novel Reforms
Mr Ramesh has promised many novel reforms. He intends to reopen the
old idea of setting up green tribunals in the country. He aims to improve
centre-state relations in the areas of environment and forests and in this
regard he declared that he would fully support the efforts of the Government

of Goa. From the way he conducted the meeting, listened to the members
of the audience, made observations and comments it could be seen that
unlike hi

Re: [Goanet] Automatic job with Portuguese passport

2009-09-01 Thread Carvalho

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:

> 
> I have NO COMMENT on whether anyone cares or not that
> Selma learnt
> French and is currently studying Portuguese. The topic for
> discussion
> was based on high end i.e. Technical positions in the UK.
--

Now the Doctor is just pushing the limits of credibility. In his previous post 
he told us the topic was about jobs in Swindon. Now he tells us the topic is 
about "technical positions in the UK". If that is so, then why is he advising 
Goans to learn Portuguese, Spanish or French. Does he imagine that an interview 
for these positions will be conducted in the UK in one or all of these 
languages. I can imagine just such an interview.

Quero um fusco?
Sim, muito obrigado
Excuse moi, il y a un petit bruit
C'est pas moi
Peut-etre le medecin, il est plein d'air chaud

best,
selma

Re: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked. Cedrico = Jamima

2009-09-01 Thread Alfred de Tavares


Benedict,

If, Jamina, corporeal or ephemeral, has tried to pull a fast one on poor
us, she should, unequivocally, be debagged & cast out of the premisses...

But that begs the point: does the wench/blighter, in the issue, have to 
be, compulsorilly, slim?

What objectivity does slimness/rotundity/beauty/ beastliness bear upon the 
malefactors, if, indeed, they are such bear upon the issue in hand?

A baffled...Alfred...


> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:39:28 +0530
> From: goa...@yahoo.co.in
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet]  Phony ID unmasked.  Cedrico = Jamima
> 
> Looks like a job well done by Parrrikar.
> If not,, Jamima (if that is your real name) is free to call me on 
> 050-6746091and who knows you might actually convince us.Whoever you are, as a 
> "concerned" Goan, you should have had the courtesy to approach us before 
> making such a defaming post on a public forum.Its a shame some of our very 
> own so called Goans will sit back, do nothing, but go to length to derail 
> something that others do.We are not even a formal organization and have no 
> political affliations to any party or person.We are just a bunch of concerned 
> goans doing our bit.
>  
> Will the real slim Jamima, please stand up.please stand up,please stand 
> up.and contact us ,so we know who you are and what your concerns are.
>  
> Dev Borem Korunk
> Benedict
>  
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:57:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" 
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked.  Cedrico = Jamima
> Message-ID: <1412.28109...@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
>  
> 
> To Goanet -
> 
> The post quoted below was forwarded to me from Goanet.
> 
> 
> It took me a few nanoseconds to figure out who the
> skunk is hiding behind a phony ID.  It is our dimwitted
> pal Cedrico Dacosta, whose ass I have had the pleasure
> of rubbishing several times here on this very group.
> I am delighted to note that his wounds haven't yet healed.
> 
> "Jamima Dias" first surfaced in Dec 2007 (this was before
> I had kicked Cedrico's pustulated behind) and here he
> has nothing but praise for me:
> 
> "A huge word of praise for Rajan Parriker, Floriano, Minguel,
> Wilma (Muscat), Gabe (UK), Cedrico (Dubai), J Cola, Joe Goa,
> Aires Rodrigues."
> 
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/66425/match=
> 
> 
> But like "Jamima" the twit Cedrico also has the same spelling
> preferences.  See for example "Digamber" -
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/nbb7gn
> 
> 
> Or take the real clincher "communial" -
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/n2odwt
> 
> 
> I could cite more, but you get the idea.
> 
> Next time, the donkey wants to pull off something like this,
> better that he consult me first for some tips on how to partially
> cover his digital pug marks.
> 
> First Satyawan Govekar.  Now Jamima.  Next.
> 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> 
> 
> r
> 
> > From: Jamima Dias 
> > Subject: [Goanet] Dubai-AUH Goans Beware
> > To: 
> 
> goanet@lists.goanet.org
> > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:43 PM
> 
> >Dear Goan brothers in Dubai=AUH.
> >there is an attempt to further polarise the Goan community by
> >injecting bitter bile and poison your minds about Goa through
> >a campaign by raising panic among the Goans in Dubai and Auh.
> >Please do not fall prey to any malicious presentations through
> >photography being used to promote a hidden communial agenda
> >and try and target a secular democratically elected Goan government.
> >It is a shame that the Dubai church, or parish, overtly controlled
> >by the malyalam fathers will allow the small group of Goans
> >promoting the 'save Goa issue which is actually a front
> >supported by Goa's main opposition party the BJP through
> >photo campaigns and strong bitter words like loot and Rape.
> >Please avoid this and boycott such meetings and people.
> >A hard effort was made recently by the same fellows to
> >encroach into Goan communities in Oman. The perpetuator
> >of the documentary titled, rape of Goa was shunted out and
> >shown the door as all in Oman are aware of his communial
> >linkage with top anti minority parties in Goa.
> >
> >Please be careful my dear fellow Goans in the Gulf.
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Jamima
> 
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 
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> http://in.local.yahoo.com/

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 923

2009-09-01 Thread Venantius J Pinto

Thanks Seb. I must say that perhaps not you, but others may regard my posts
lengthy and not meaning much. Your response got me thinking.

venantius

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Seb dc  wrote:

> From: Venantius J Pinto 
>>
>> Hi Seb and All,
>>
>>  Speaking for myself, the Afghan blowback ariticle is about Indian
>>> children
>>> born deformed. Not Goan children, but those children in the Punjab are
>>> part
>>> of us, or should be. I am very flexible and if such a piece does not
>>> belong
>>> here feel free to say so, even privately. But do give me a sense of why.
>>> I
>>> say to this anyone.
>>>
>>
>>
> Thanks for broadening your point of view...I have no problem, if the posts
> are Goa related or not... I am only concerned about the lengthly posts that
> mean nothing but alot of bandwidth!
>
> Does going around the mullberry bush help:-) as most posts do??
>
>
>> BTW, what is h a n dAY?
>>
>
> hAVE a nICE dAY!!
> Seb
> Ps: I guess the Admin does a fab. job...i'll leave it to them!! & wish them
> well on completing 15.
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Re: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked. Cedrico = Jamima

2009-09-01 Thread Seb dc


A job welldone!!

This is the actual Crab mentality that goans are most famous for. They won't 
do anything, and will not allow others do either. I was surprised to see 
Jamima's post on Goanet & now i know!!


Jamima has only told Goan brothers & not sister's Why:-)

I guess Arwin is doing wonderful...Please be there on 4th Sept. at St.Mary's 
church.


From: Arwin Mesquita 

*UAE Goans Forum (Dubai Cell) Cordially Invites You:

*To an action oriented meeting related to Goa & Its Identity.

*Venue:* St. Mary's Church Rm no 6.above the Mini hall.
*Date:* Friday 4th Sept 2009,
*Timing:* 6:30 PM
*Agenda for the meeting:*
- Introduction
- Documentary on Goa *(prepared by Rajan Parrikar, California - USA)*
- Goa Identity presentation by Arwin Mesquita
- Agree on next course of action.

Please go to http://www.goamag.net/gim/ to register


From: "Rajan P. Parrikar" 
Subject: [Goanet] Phony ID unmasked.  Cedrico = Jamima
To Goanet -

The post quoted below was forwarded to me from Goanet.


It took me a few nanoseconds to figure out who the
skunk is hiding behind a phony ID.  It is our dimwitted
pal Cedrico Dacosta, whose ass I have had the pleasure
of rubbishing several times here on this very group.
I am delighted to note that his wounds haven't yet healed.

"Jamima Dias" first surfaced in Dec 2007 (this was before
I had kicked Cedrico's pustulated behind) and here he
has nothing but praise for me:

"A huge word of praise for Rajan Parriker, Floriano, Minguel,
Wilma (Muscat), Gabe (UK), Cedrico (Dubai), J Cola, Joe Goa,
Aires Rodrigues."

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/66425/match=


But like "Jamima" the twit Cedrico also has the same spelling
preferences.  See for example "Digamber" -

http://tinyurl.com/nbb7gn


Or take the real clincher "communial" -

http://tinyurl.com/n2odwt


I could cite more, but you get the idea.

Next time, the donkey wants to pull off something like this,
better that he consult me first for some tips on how to partially
cover his digital pug marks.

First Satyawan Govekar.  Now Jamima.  Next.


From: Jamima Dias 
Subject: [Goanet] Dubai-AUH Goans Beware
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 12:43 PM



Dear Goan brothers in Dubai=AUH.
there is an attempt to further polarise the Goan community by
injecting bitter bile and poison your minds about Goa through
a campaign by raising panic among the Goans in Dubai and Auh.
Please do not fall prey to any malicious presentations through
photography being used to promote a hidden communial agenda
and try and target a secular democratically elected Goan government.
It is a shame that the Dubai church, or parish, overtly controlled
by the malyalam fathers will allow the small group of Goans
promoting the 'save Goa issue which is actually a front
supported by Goa's main opposition party the BJP through
photo campaigns and strong bitter words like loot and Rape.
Please avoid this and boycott such meetings and people.
A hard effort was made recently by the same fellows to
encroach into Goan communities in Oman. The perpetuator
of the documentary titled, rape of Goa was shunted out and
shown the door as all in Oman are aware of his communial
linkage with top anti minority parties in Goa.

Please be careful my dear fellow Goans in the Gulf.

Kind regards
Jamima

[Goanet] The Good, the Bad and the Ugly!

2009-09-01 Thread Ruby Goes

Goanetters,
Which type of person are you?

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,26010587-5012426,00.html

rubygoes

[Goanet] Restoration of Dr Gomes' house, old municipal building likely

2009-09-01 Thread Goanet News Service

Restoration of Dr Gomes' house,old municipal building likely

MARGAO, AUG 31

These two structures of heritage value - the Old Municipal building and the 
ancestral house of Dr Francisco Luis Gomes - might have been virtually lying in 
ruins over the years.

But, if the plan mooted by the Margao Civic body is anything to go by, these 
structures may be restored to its lost glory and preserved for posterity.

Members of the Goa Heritage Action Group were in the city on Monday upon an 
invitation from the Margao Municipal chief over the restoration of the old 
Municipal 
building located at the Old Market and the ancestral house of Dr Francisco Luis 
Gomes in Colmorod-Navelim.

Historian Prajal Sakhardande of the Goa Heritage Action Group visited Dr Gomes' 
house at Colmorod and disclosed plans to preserve the structure for posterity. 
"This 
was Dr Gomes' house since 1829. We have come to see the house because we want 
students and people to remember this great man", he added. "Dr Gomes was a 
great 
nationalist and was a parliamentarian of repute", he said, adding "it is 
hearting to 
know that the Margao Civic Chief want to preserve the house for posterity.

Says Coutinho: "We have invited Sakhardande to inspect the old municipal 
building 
and the house of Dr Gomes as the Council felt that something needs to be done 
to 
maintain and protect the heritage landmarks".

Aware that both the old Municipal building and the house of Dr Gomes are now 
owned 
by private parties, Coutinho said the Council discussed with Sakhardande the 
ownership issue of these structures, adding "as far as possible, the Council 
will 
seek the cooperation of the private parties to restore the buildings.

"The government remembers Dr Gomes time and again, but it is high time that his 
ancestral house is converted into a museum, where his works can be housed for 
the 
benefit of posterity", Coutinho added.

The Margao Civic Chief has even suggested to the government to compensate the 
private parties and acquire the building at market rates. "On September 30, we 
will 
be commemorating 140th anniversary of Dr Gomes. I hope the government will take 
up 
the matter in right earnest and acquire the house and preserve his works for 
posterity", he asserted.


http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=26696&cid=26

[Goanet] Congratualtions Herman

2009-09-01 Thread Ashley.D'silva

Dear Herman Ji,

Congratulations on weaving  a beautiful tapestry of fellowship for all the
dwindling Goans in India & abroad  which keeps us together like 'fevicol' ;
through this yeoman service that carries us through seasons and climes.  For
one, we can listen to the incessant chatter of our dear motherland viz- a -
viz Goa knowing that there are Goans around the world who are very much in
sync with the rough and tumble development of the hyphenated growth &
evolution of newer aspirations of all. 

God Bless you and the family because without the Ghar ka support its tough.

 

Kind Regards,

 

ASHLEY D'SILVA

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 923

2009-09-01 Thread Seb dc


From: Venantius J Pinto 

Hi Seb and All,

Speaking for myself, the Afghan blowback ariticle is about Indian 
children
born deformed. Not Goan children, but those children in the Punjab are 
part
of us, or should be. I am very flexible and if such a piece does not 
belong
here feel free to say so, even privately. But do give me a sense of why. 
I

say to this anyone.




Thanks for broadening your point of view...I have no problem, if the posts 
are Goa related or not... I am only concerned about the lengthly posts that 
mean nothing but alot of bandwidth!


Does going around the mullberry bush help:-) as most posts do??



BTW, what is h a n dAY?


hAVE a nICE dAY!!
Seb
Ps: I guess the Admin does a fab. job...i'll leave it to them!! & wish them 
well on completing 15.

[Goanet] Goa, But Not Gone !

2009-09-01 Thread Rick fernandes

Goa, But Not Gone !

Surfing the old archives of a renowned magazine I happened to stumble upon
an article written in the year 1967, titled *“Goa, But Not Gone” *

The article illustrates the issue at hand, whether Goa after 451 years of
Portuguese rule and five years as a semiautonomous "union territory" of
India, should give up its separate identity and become part of the teeming
Maharashtrian state or retain its distinct Goan cultural identity with
statehood.

Adamantly opposing the merger were the leaders of Goa's 250,000 Roman
Catholics, a powerful force in themselves. "Think Goan," pleaded priests
from their pulpits, while the farsighted politicians of the United Goans
Party lobbied hard under the legendary Dr. Jack de Sequeira to retain our
statehood.

The determining question was whether Goa should cease to exist. Our brave
forefathers didn’t fail us they did the right thing, rallied and fought hard
to save our distinct identity and beloved state.

Finally after much agitation, it was decided to have the decision made by
Goan voters in an "opinion poll" conducted by the Indian government.

In the end, Goans rejected the merger with Maharashtra by a vote of 172,191
to 138,170. Vibrant celebrations ensued in the capital city of Panjim, the
results were cheered by a crowd of 10,000, who danced in the streets
carrying branches symbolic of victory, firecrackers burst off and created
such a joyous disturbance that the government had to call in police with
tear gas to restore order.
*“Goa is not gone yet !”* was the good news that flooded the airwaves.

Today we find history repeats itself again, our generation faces a similar
challenge with our identity and state under severe threat from rich money
bags all over India who view Goa as prime seafront real estate, with
absolutely no regard for, or understanding of, our traditions and our
people. Today we see large insular gated communities across our serene
villages being developed for wealthy non-goans. Foreigners have brought
holiday homes in Goa, often circumventing the laws by forming front
companies. Russians of dubious credentials have dropped anchor and brought
land. Old Goan houses are purchased by non-goans. The large influx of
migrants has reached an alarming 40% of our total population. A young Goan
today can no longer afford to buy land or a decent flat with the phenomenal
surge in property prices.

Yet our leaders today, show no vision and action towards saving our rich
cultural heritage, distinct identity and beautiful Goa. It is absolutely
imperative that Goans today unite and fight to save what matters most.

We must not forget history, the heroic struggle of our forefathers to retain
statehood, that ensured the survival of our distinct Goan identity.

We must do all we can to make sure that *“Goa is not yet gone !”*

Rick Fernandes
(Margao, Goa)

[Goanet] Quizzes this weekend

2009-09-01 Thread Rajiv D'Silva

Hi all,

Two quizzing events take place this weekend. The first one, The Great Big
Book Fun Day is being conducted by SEQC and Bookworm at the Gaspar Dias
Club, Miramar from 2.30 pm onwards on Saturday and has multiple events for
children of different age groups. Find more details of this event here
 .

The second is SEQC's regular monthly quiz that takes place on Sunday at 5 pm
at the CCP Hall in Panaji. Find details of this quiz here
 .

Both events are free and open to all.

 

Regards,

Rajiv

[Goanet] Goan cyber achievers

2009-09-01 Thread George Pinto

Over the years, we have had the pleasure of JoeGoaUK's informational posts on 
Goa, ALEXYZ's daily cartoon (satire), Francis' DAILY GROOK, and Cecil's 
humorous weekly columns. These wonderful Goan achievers share their gifts and 
talents and make Goan cyberspace a better place. If you need a good laugh, 
Cecil's column's are archived at: 
http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=607

I don't know if JoeGoaUK and Francis have archived their work in one place. 
ALEXYZ's work is at www.alexyztoons.com. Others too are to commended for their 
cyber contributions.

Regards,
George

[Goanet] Talking Photo: Gonnsa Fog