Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
> This is a neat attempt at curbing the discussions by suggesting 
> (i) that everyone is trying to be an "expert" (ii) that only those who
> have an experience of migrating to East Africa can have an opinion on
> that attitudes that some still display about the role of our community
> there (iii) anyone critical is talking out of ignorance, envy or both.


a) I do not have the ability nor the desire to curb discussions here. 
    That power, as you should be aware, lies elsewhere. 
b) Not every Goan in E. Africa migrated there. 
    Members of my family been born in Zanzibar from at least 1875. 
    To put this in perspective, the US was not yet a hundred years old 
    then. I feel I am as much African as any American whose family moved 
    to the US around 1875.


> You talk about the  "black African" (would you also talk about the
> "brown Asian" or "yellow Asian"?) and the fact that they "will
> distinguish the Goan from the other peoples of the Indian
> sub-continent". That didn't, of course, stop all being sidelined after
> colonialism ended there. Why?


Not all Africans are black. Ghadaffi was African. Pik Botha is an African.
Neither of these guys are close to black. All the African countries on
the Indian Ocean have sizable communities of Arabs, Indians and other
non-black residents. Due to historical events, these minority communities 
are acutely aware of the details of the other communities. Some have 
business ties with and know each others families for generations. The 
black African, especially those who never had the opportunity to go to school,
would be less exposed to the details of other communities. Yet, and this 
is my point, the black African would be able to distinguish the Goan from 
the other Indian communities. I hope this is sheds some light.


> My comments of "traders in slaves and opium" were linked to 
> the wider Goan community; nothing even related to East Africa 
> Goans. 


The primary topic being discussed here is Goans in E. Africa. 
If you need to cross reference all history into this, why stop at the 
slave trade and opium wars? Why not include my (and your) ancestors 
arrival in Goa and all the upheaval associated with that too? 



> And how could you say that nobody is responding to me when 
> you are yourself writing such long "short" responses? 


I did not claim nobody was responding to you. My words were, 
"Perhaps you will now realize why posters here are refusing to 
respond to you."  Believe it or not, it has a totally different meaning. 


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[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Bernado Colaco]

Any African based Goans knows Leo Noronha former headmaster in Nairobi? Please 
continue writing the stories of you successful lives in Africa. Unfortunately 
the puppets in the current colonial rule in Goa shows no value to any overseas 
Goan. 
 
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Re: [Goanet] Mums the kitchen

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 14 January 2012 03:55, Rajan P. Parrikar  wrote:
> For a far more humble - but much better food-wise - experience,
> go to Anandashram instead.  Or to the little shack run by a gaudo
> behind Phulancho Khuriss in Bambolim.

Question: how is his caste relevant to the quality of his food? FN
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[Goanet] 1950

[JoeGoaUk]

1950

What about it?

-That was the year in which the Constitution of India come into force
And hence we have a National holiday i.e. 26thJanuary - ‘Republic Day’

Ok Ok, we knew ‘Republic day’ date and holiday, thanks for reminding the year 
1950
Is that all?

-No, I have not finished yet, elections in Goa on March 3,


So? We all knew about it 23 days ago (Since Dec.24).

- You too can help to save Goa..

How?

- If you see any unusual activities (poll related) such as 
Distribution of money, water tanks, sarees, Steel plates, Washing machines, 
Sewing machine, Cycles, Motorbikes, Footballs, T Shirts, shoes,
free pilgrimage trips or picnics, Free carnival Khells, tiatrs etc etc. Report 
it.

If you see any bars or pubs /Restaurants opened beyond 10.30pm report that too
Strict orders are issued to all bar license holders to strictly adhere to their 
scheduled timings
(we already seeing the changes in Panjim city area)

Well, report to whom?

1950  is the number to call

Its a free call and works 24 hours a day
You can also use your mobile phone dial direct 1950 
(no prefix or suffix or no 0832 to add)
I just tried on two networks Idea and Reliance and it worked.
(Use the same number to seek clarifications, if any)

Save Goa 

Let's do our bits

Think and act wisely


Issued in public interest 

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious Arrows

[Tony de Sa]

Admin Noroha wrote thus:
Tony, I was just ribbing you!  And from your response, it does seem to have
worked :-) And we have even meanwhile got a post out of Reena; well worth
it indeed. FN
PS: Please photograph the mystery arrows.

Rico,
What a strange and mysterious coincidence! I too was ribbing you!
Knew that calling you Admin Noronha would get a rise from you!
Keep the faith.

Tony

PS I certainly will post the pics of the arrows from a few places.
-- 

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[Goanet] A Success Story - Toronto

[Mervyn Lobo]

http://www.mississauga.com/what's%20on/article/1279537--decosta-behind-music-greats

Torstar Network
Jan 14, 2012 - 9:35 AM 

DeCosta behind music greats 


Behind the stars. Jesse Decosta in his Mississauga home with one of his 
treasures, a platinum record set from the Jackson family. The tribute fresh 
from LA was shipped to Decosta following an event on the west coast where 
DeCosta, their brand manager is often found. Torstar Network
Jesse DeCosta never really talks about his career — no one believes him, anyway.

This Mississauga man quietly works behind the scenes managing the brand image 
of of Hollywood’s stars, including Michael Jackson’s family, Jamie Foxx and 
comedian Kevin James.

“It is ridiculous when you hear a Canadian in Mississauga is doing this,” 
Decosta said of DeCosta Marketing Inc., which has offices in the GTA and LA.
Serendipity, he believes, led him to his career rubbing elbows with the rich 
and famous. He advises his star-studded clientele on a variety of things, such 
as which public engagements to accept, how to design a website or what a movie 
poster should look like. (Less glamorous clients include the Ontario Municipal 
Insurance Exchange.)

But it hasn’t always been jetting to LA to accompany Will Smith to appearances 
at the Grove.
The 40-year-old grew up in Edmonton, where his father struggled to find work as 
a draftsman during the recession. After five years of unemployment, his dad 
moved to Mississauga for a job, leaving his family behind. He died unexpectedly 
four months later. DeCosta’s mother had to sell everything and move her family 
to Toronto’s suburbs.

DeCosta, 15 at the time, started working right away. Creative, design-related 
projects appealed to him, as his father was also an artist. Around 1989, he 
started working for Sony Music in Canada, helping DJs and promoting artists any 
way he could.

His serendipitous moment came in 1999, when he met singer Deborah Cox through a 
lawyer. Cox hired him as a brand manager, and he’s worked with her ever since.

The tipping point came later that year when Cox’s manager started working for 
Will Smith. DeCosta says Smith became his client soon after — and his best 
sales person.

“Will is a pretty big calling card,” DeCosta said.

Over the past 12 years, DeCosta’s business has grown organically, he said. He 
has no sales people, and he doesn’t make cold calls.

“Hollywood is very tight knit — it’s all based on trust and word of mouth. If 
you work hard and do good for one individual, it spreads.”

Decosta’s most recent project is a website for the Jackson family. A fan of 
their music, he met them through his work with Tupac Shakur’s estate.

“You meet with a lot of people and you talk with a lot of people,” said Marlon 
Jackson, one of the Jackson 5 members, in a phone interview. “We liked what 
[DeCosta] was doing and decided we would move forward with it.”

The Jackson’s had never had a website before, making it hard for the people to 
know the “one true authentic side” of the family’s story, Jackson said. As 
entrepreneurs (Jackson has plans to launch a fashion line), he and DeCosta 
share a special understanding.

DeCosta spends 70 per cent of his time in Canada with his wife of 20 years and 
their two children, he said, although he travels frequently to New York and LA. 
A Mississauga native, his wife doesn’t want to move south but is “enjoying the 
ride” of DeCosta’s career, he said.

Working with superstars does have its perks. When his family goes to LA, 
DeCosta’s children, aged 9 and 11, can visit the sets of TV shows they like. 
“The kids love it,” DeCosta said. They’ve also been to celebrity birthday 
parties.

Considering DeCosta is a brand manager, it’s surprising few back home know 
about his career advising Hollywood icons.

“I don’t know why,” DeCosta said, joking that he’s more popular in California 
than he is in the GTA. “I guess we’ve never really promoted ourselves 
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[Goanet] Goa news for January 15, 2012

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Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Scuffles Start in Goa politics - The Day After
ot-to-tie-up-with-congress-in-goa/articleshow/11490579.cms">Trinamool
not to tie up with Congress in Goa
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*** Sesa Goa may see upside from current levels: Sukhani -
Moneycontrol.com
V18, "Metals are ready for more upside and I don't know if I
have favorites because I like all the stocks that have good
charts, but currently Sesa Goa's chart suggest that it's
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*** Colva supermaket catches fire, goods worth 40L lost - Times
of India
resident of the South Goa district congress committee, and is
also in the race for Congress ticket from Benaulim. Assistant
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*** Creative writing workshop at Nuvem - Times of India
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*** Ponda police raid massage parlours - Times of India
mes of IndiaWhile SVM supports clean candidates and wants Goa to
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*** Goa Dairy to hold elections for 12 directors today - Times
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*** Goa debates priest's entry into poll politics - Zee News
e NewsPanaji: The buzz of party politics for once appears to
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Church argue with verve the plusses and minuses of a Roman
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*** Minorities are now picking BJP over 'corrupt' Cong, says
Parsekar - Times of India
overnance and rampant corruption of the Congress-led government,
the minority communities in Goa, which preferred to stay away
from the BJP five years ago, are now willingly coming to join
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*** Dabolim faces brunt of AI pilots' strike - Times of India
ound passengers were stranded after a Goa-Dubai flight was
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*** Burnt forests on Kadamba plateau spark concern - Times of
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andur, Neura, Batim and Goalim-Moula towards the south. The
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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa Message

[Venantius J Pinto]

Hi Mervyn,
Thought I'd share my two bits. This will be a bit long, but offer a few
trajectories. Besides the thoughts go beyond this post, but lets maintain
the thread.

These discussions go through phases of articulation -- rhetoric, layered in
their connotation and denotation. Marlon was striking hard but his intent
was not to be mean although he came close to it. Communication is hard
enough, and often the most smartest, educated in English no less find it
difficult to comprehend intent. Certain things do not go together --
ribbing, as well as wanting to know, dissect, etc. Its needs that peculiar
Goan skill often used in the past to hide ones weaknesses. That skill
helped, emboldened and made many wealthy. But no one will say they came
from that stock. That is a whole other level soul-searching and memoir
material. Or best left quiet.

There is something very peculiar how many of these discussions proceed.
Analogies are not easy to make, and worse when one gets into extrapolated
ones.

To my mind all that Vivian was doing was sharing his pleasure (or whatever
inner motivation) at seeing Goans having won awards from the British. All
it takes is to accept that, second that response and then state ones
misgivings in a contextual vein. It may sound simplistic, but helps -- and
surely if we keep on babbling about Goan this and that. Or, change the
discussion by introducing the contrary version under its own merit. This is
just one way, and NOT necessarily intended for everyone. In any case, we
are talking of intelligent people.

But more often than not, discussions on Goanet seem to elicit opinions that
ingratiatingly have go deeper. Discussions as such, a topic, a thread must
be allowed to have its own material reality, based on the post as well as
the contributer (If one knows who. But it helps to be able read the tenor
of the post, and not ignore that.). Perhaps this is being too
Christian dialectically! Too often, its about getting to any particular
persons notion of the truth, a mining -- the entrails to be digested upon
later. Some can stand it, most not; others do not know how to engage those
paradigms! But then one must also develop techniques, and at least with age
to simply say. Yes, good point mine was a nod to their love of work. And
move on. Let larger debates rage among those who want to pit themselves and
their knowledge. Very rarely does one see a retraction. Even those have had
a facetious quality. Besides why so few people even seconding something
contained in any given post.

My experience has been similar on Gmail chat with fellow Goans. Its about
wanting to know where one stands on many issues -- on certain terms, and in
depth and one has to be clear, terribly clear. No wonder much of Goan
narrative in various forms, reveal too easily, rather than being nuanced. I
can say this being one involved in artistic labour and having observed
things. Even precise suggestions, are not taken well; because, the other
has already made up their mind. Success of various sorts only helps in
solidifying ones belief in being right.

It is about making those not intellectually minded, open themselves
further. Its easy to realize, or feel at some point that one may have been
used for reasons outside ones comprehension. Age old questions to be asked
of the human condition! Now here the word, intellectual could be
misunderstood!

But yet, such forums strengthen us; in the vagaries of our notions of
modernity. Being on Goanet have helped me for sure. In the past I truly
believed that people did not know many things. And they did not, since they
did not have Dads who were engine drivers, lived in colonies like ours,
getting caught up in things, a very different interaction with a whole
gamut of Hindus, besides living with a Hindu family for many years, etc. In
any case, all that is not enough, and all of it has been said anyway.

Then at some point one becomes aware. Who posts what (not the entire gang)?
Who talks to me outside of the forum? Who asks for what, and on what basis?
Who suggest what without offering a suggestion even upon inquiry? Who if at
all recommends one for anything -- point in a direction? This list, not
intended to be used against the writer of this post, nor to discern
anything more. Its all self-contained.

As time goes by, one has changed. All of us, our parents and families did
not have the opportunity (an easy word to misunderstand) to mingle with
foreign Civil Services, people in the upper strata, finish school, have a
college education. All this comes in the mix, and all of it is being played
out. One is only as good as what one brings to the table. So see it in that
light too.

I am not saying you are feeble in your reasoning, and not versed in
contrapuntal verbal conceptual gymnastics. But again, see it in that light
I have attempted to present my views.

Best,


venantius j pinto




> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:06:39 +
> From: "Mervyn & Elsie Maciel" 

[Goanet] Bombay's YMCA International

[roland . francis]

Goans (and others) visiting Bombay and wishing to have independent short term 
accommodation (from days to weeks) can check out the YMCA at Bombay Central.

Situated in the lower central core of the city, steps from Nair Hospital, it is 
located in an area that was once home to senior railway anglo indian staff 
living in sprawling bungalows. Although the neighborhood has now gone to seed, 
it is safe because the big Bombay gangsters are headquartered nearby. Just as 
Mafia homes are clustered in Garden City, Long Island, New York, making it the 
safest (but most expensive) place to stay, so in likeness is the YMCA.

Far from the airport (about 40 kms) but close to downtown and all the rest of 
the city's attractions, it is a simple neat and well run facility. A five star 
hotel it is not, but tasty meals thrice a day, veg and non-veg thrown in, 
courteous and almost a fully dedicated personal room service and a line of 
taxis dedicated to Y guests make is as Bombay-convenient as it can get.

The Manager when I last went, was a well mannered parsee gent with decades of 
service and the staff were mostly Maharashtrian Christians from small towns in 
the state. It would nicely fit the needs of an individual or a family visiting 
Bombay for a short while on personal business or pleasure and don't want to 
break the bank.

You can check them out on the net but they have a big demand and one must book 
well ahead. I paid what I am sure is a foreigner rate but if you could get 
someone in Bombay to book it for you, it would probably ensure a much reduced 
room rate though I can't vouch that.

 Bombay is not New York, London, or Toronto, by a long mile and be prepared for 
culture shock. But having said that, the city cannot be given a miss. 
Bombayites or Mumbaikars (take your pick) talk fast, think fast and are ahead 
of you by about three steps, but they are friendly, helpful and informative 
(even on directions they don't know, so be careful). Very few denizens of 
cities with a twenty million population are ever like that. Bombay has history, 
even a solid Goan history, so don't skip a long visit to Dhobitalao and 
environs, carrying along my Goanet posts with you as guide.

Guard your money safely. In crowds, you will be relieved of your wallet and 
will be probably smiling at the guy who did it without least suspecting it was 
him.

The city's food is a special delight. You might have had tandoori and butter 
chicken in the west and think that is it. But there is this food and there is 
Bombay food. If you eat the city's Malwani (Konkan) fish fare, you will not be 
wrong in thinking you have died and are now in heaven.

That is the way to see Bombay. Not confined to five star hotels where the scene 
is the same whether in Tel Aviv, Tblisi  or Timbuktu.

Roland
Toronto. 
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.
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[Goanet] Awards for Goans in East Africa (by Rose Fernandes)

[Melvyn Fernandes]

Dear goanet reader,

Frederick wrote: I'd rather celebrate the achievements of the handful of Goans 
who worshipped at the altar of social 
justice, and took the huge risk kof supported the underdog... and the Black 
African cause... when the wind was blowing in 
the other direction.

Rose's response: All of us worldwide are looking forward to join you in 
celebrating the achievements of our local 
community in Goa who do not worship at the altar of bribery and corruption and 
take the huge risk of voting in politicians 
supporting the Goan causea wind of change blowing in our direction right 
now, appears for the better. 

Our community who were in East Africa did not just contribute to the British 
cause, we contributed valuably towards the 
Goan, the Black African and to the international cause. 

The Goan cause: Those who visit the Mae de Deus Church in Saligao, I would like 
to invite you to take a moment and 
have a look at the list on the wall of the church which acknowledges all those 
who donated towards it. I know a number of 
these as they visited my home in Mombasa, Kenya and a number of them lived and 
still do live in the United Kingdom 
today. It would be interesting to find out how many of those who contributed 
towards the church were either from East 
Africa or had connections in East Africa? That is did the money they earned in 
East Africa contribute towards this church? 
One has to view this in the light of their income in proportion to what they 
contributed. Most had not only family 
commitments but also looked after their aged parents and other relatives in 
Goa. This is just one of the many examples of 
how our community living in East Africa supported its motherland on the Konkan 
coast.

The African cause: Most of us who lived in East Africa employed the local 
people as "domestics" treated them very well, 
gave them food, sometimes even shelter, and a wage which they used to support 
their own families who lived in their 
villages. When we left East Africa a lot of them were devastated as, one by 
one, they lost their income. I know of some of 
our community in the United Kingdom still keep in touch with their "domestics" 
who became their life long friends. They still 
send money to them in East Africa and have paid for all their children to 
attend school as schooling was not free there. 

The international cause: After leaving East Africa, most of us went to live in 
either Europe, America, Canada, Australia or 
other parts of the world where we used our learning, our skills and our 
knowledge from our East African days to continue 
earning a living and once again looking after our families living in Goa. In 
addition, contributing towards other projects 
such as maintenance of churches, old aged homes, etc. I know of one family 
living in the United Kingdom who donated 
their home in Goa for an old aged home in their village. How generous when one 
sees how much they could have sold it 
for with land prices rocketing.

Segregation of white, asian and black: Much has been said about segregation in 
East Africa. We all need to be reminded 
that segregation at that time was part of life not just in East Africa but in 
South Africa, the United States, India and to a 
large extent in Goa itself which was steeped in the "caste" system. 

The church and its altar has been a fountain of all our education. 
Circumstances made it necessary for us to form our 
own social group and this was not difficult because of our cultural bonds and 
traditions. Our community lived near each 
other, met at work as most of them were employees in the Colonial Civil Service 
and also met after work in the various 
clubs formed in East Africa. We had an excellent social, sporting and outdoor 
life. I was blessed with many cousins in 
Mombasa and we were always partying, going to picnics by the beach, the "drive 
in" cinema, birthday celebrations, 
attending weddings, christenings, tombola events at the club, etc. Most of the 
students in my class were of Goan origin 
and the bonds I made with them still exist today and most of us have kept in 
touch even though we now live in different 
parts of the world. So you could say the effects of "segregation" were 
beneficial in preserving our culture and way of life. 
We certainly did not notice it adversely affect our everyday life as long as we 
kept within the "pecking" order.

There was also an opportunity for those who worked in the Colonial Civil 
Service to contribute towards their pension and a 
number of them, including their widows, are seeing the fruits of this scheme.

Our community in East Africa was a huge success on most fronts, social, 
traditional, economic and sporting and should be 
given a "gold" star. Most of all this continued success still enables us to 
make a valuable financial contribution to our 
motherland. This is evident in the number of banks per square mile in the state.

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[Carvalho]

Hey FN,
Thanks for digging out the Himal article. Did you notice the one guy in 
Indonesia who thought it was a good article :-) I wonder if he is Indonesia or 
Goan. It sounds like the makings of another book, The Last Goan in Indonesia.
 
Best,
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[Goanet] Fwd: Kudos to Frederick

[Richard & Betsy Nunes]

Hi Frederick,

Couldn't agree with you more !!
It is our hope that we will really and truly appreciate one
another's contribution, especially when it is given so selflessly.
We are happy to note that your contribution is, by far, tremendous.
	You seem to have boundless energy ... and the strength to take 'IT'  
all !!

We both wish to affirm you / and Kudos to you.
Betsy and Richard




A greater honour would be if we could learnt to (i) keep rivalries
and
pettyness aside when dealing with one another (ii) not ridicule
someone whose work we don't understand (iii) avoid pouring  
insults on

others just because we disagree politically or otherwise with their
perspectives on certain issues.

If anyone wants to "honour" a wider cause, just stay off  
negativism,
take on some new volunteer initiative. So many are already doing  
it,
only they might not have the shoulders-of-the-giant-called- 
cyberspace

to stand on!

That is the best way of giving back. But where are all the  
volunteers
who built huge community assets (from kudds to clubhouses,  
schools to

what not) in another era? Today it's even tough to find consistent
volunteers for cyber initiatives, leave aside real-world world!

FN





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[Goanet] another election in few days

[amolnr]

 Dear G o e n k a r s,
   One more time Goa will be going to election 
and Goans will face the same old promises, goodies and lot mor. 
As per the last eklection analysies the the migrant trend was a;msot 42 
% and I am sure now it will eother be par with Goans or surpassed Goans. 
I am sure even this time Goans will not unite and throw the people who 
are making our Goans in minority in their own land so the culture change 
taking place due to the very same permanent migratory birds. I am amused 
the way same representative of people ( are they servent or masters) 
going to electorate and ask votes and are given votes. Majority of 
elected representative have not done anything to protect Goa as its 
identity and goans as trheir fellow statesman. we will be strangers in 
our own land, we will be outcased by very migrants who live illegally on 
various lands belonging either to community or Government. If this 
elction do not set a trend I will brobaly have to go and settele in a 
vibrant state of Gujrath or a turaround state of Bihar . If you have one 
person at the helm of affairs who has interest of his state and people 
at heart we will be saved otherwise God save us.
In fact there ghas to be a drastic changes in election procedure. my 
proposal will be any person to be elected as MLA must get 60 % of 
registerd voters in their constituncy or voted and to be MInister he 
shoud have 70 % voters registerd or voted.
In this scenario people will work towards all the faction of the society 
and not merely vote banks.
the vote bank politics must go at the earliest to save this state and 
country at large.

Hope March brings in cool wave for Goans when the temperature starts rising.
regards
amol navelkar
Mapusa-Goa
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[Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Hallgrímskirkja

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'Hallgrímskirkja'

Hallgrímskirkja was built in 1937 and is a Reykjavík landmark.  Architect
Guðjón Samúelsson patterned its façade after the basaltic lava columns that
are common in Iceland.

The first two photographs were taken close to midnight in the beautiful light of
the low summer sun.  Maintaining the verticals of such a tall structure is made
[...]

You may view the latest post at
http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2012/01/14/hallgrimskirkja/

Best regards,
Rajan P. Parrikar
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Re: [Goanet] Computer teachers

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Looks like a question of who pushes in their favourites and nominees
into being "teachers" in which schools. And Tony de Sa (if I recall
rightly) has pointed out that they were not *trained* teachers.

Should the government do it, or should the school management? Do we
assume that the government is protecting the best interest of the
school, or is the management doing it? I'm not sure there could be a
categorical answer in either case. Maybe less so in the former than in
the latter... though the latter cannot be taken for granted either.

Will someone spare a thought for the students? Is their interests
being taken into account? Are standards being maintained and do the
teachers fit the bill? FN

On 14 January 2012 23:12, Ana Maria Fernandes  wrote:
> Fifteen years back Government of Goa started computer education in high 
> schools and computer teachers were appointed on contract basis . For Fifteen 
> years the diocesan society of Goa and the schools run by the religious used 
> the services of these teachers not only to teach computer education but also 
> for supervision and other work. After a long struggle their services got 
> regularised but now when their efforts for fifteen long years was to be 
> fruitful the diocesan society and the priests and nuns running the schools 
> realised that they had right to appoint their own teachers as they enjoy 
> minority right. I cannot understand this logic of our priests and nuns and 
> also of the diocesan society as to why they waited for fifteen years to 
> realise that they had rights.
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[Goanet] The Fr Bismark Hope

[Arwin Mesquita]

I support Fr. Bismark's decision to contest the March elections and request
Goans irrespective of caste/creed/religion to support him in this what
might possibly be one of the last few opportunities to save Goa/Goans. We
are witnessing the propping up of other good people/fronts to fight the
same cause and I think this can be a good hope for an alliance of the good
to fight the Anti Goans. I strongly believe that it is not just important
to preach religion but also to practice and speak/act where evil acts. Else
Goa will be a hypocritical religious society which tolerates all the evil,
environment destruction, loss of values, drug issues and severe atrocities
on our state and community.

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1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/
2. "Rape of Goa" : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/
3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/
4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO:
http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html
5. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686
6. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/
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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Dear 12012012Mervyn,

Your short response wasn't very short.

This is a neat attempt at curbing the discussions by suggesting (i)
that everyone is trying to be an "expert" (ii) that only those who
have an experience of migrating to East Africa can have an opinion on
that attitudes that some still display about the role of our community
there (iii) anyone critical is talking out of ignorance, envy or both.

I don't bite.

Read my comments carefully: I did not say that all Goans there acted
as "lackeys", but feared that such uncritical attitudes towards the
process that was colonialism could give the impression that *all*
Goans were lackeys of  "colonialism, racism and an unfair order".
Obviously, I firmly believe that there were alternative perspectives
here, and hence it is important to challenge perspectives that suggest
otherwise.

You talk about the  "black African" (would you also talk about the
"brown Asian" or "yellow Asian"?) and the fact that they "will
distinguish the Goan from the other peoples of the Indian
sub-continent". That didn't, of course, stop all being sidelined after
colonialism ended there. Why?

You are building straw-men out of my arguments, and very easily
dismissing the same. My argument is that Goan history is full of facts
we all can be proud of, and other which are definitely nothing to
boast about (to put it mildly). It is a mixed bag. The faster we come
to terms with the latter, the better.

My comments of "traders in slaves and opium" were linked to the wider
Goan community; nothing even related to East Africa Goans. My goal is
not to launch a diatribe against one geographically-linked Goan
community, but to understand our wider role in history. Are you
suggesting that no Goans were involved in either? Anyone with even a
nodding acquaintance of Goan history could give you specific names...

I cannot accept this Goans-can-do-no-wrong logic, which comes up
repeatedly, including in our criticism of other communities.

As for Mervyn Maciel's writings, I think it is a very important piece
of work, and gives interesting insights into those times. More
importantly, Mervyn strikes me as being honest about where he stands,
and acknowledges the limitations facing of a government official in
colonial Africa. He is not boastful or triumphalist about things
there, unlike some of our other discussants. Some of us would like to
brush issues under the carpet, as it were, using "humour", put-downs,
diversionary tactics and what not!

Now whatever makes you think that the villagers of Saligao should be
immune from criticism? Like any society, we have our pros and cons,
probably more of the latter :-)

And how could you say that nobody is responding to me when you are
yourself writing such long "short" responses? Of course, taking
unpopular stands which flow against the dominant tide can make things
a bit lonely out there. I don't mind this, and believe in saying what
I feel anyway... FN
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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
> The Africander Goan is undeniably an influential animal, and I
> understand why nobody would like to cross his or her path! My
> intention here is not to judge the past with the spectacles of the
> present. Only, when someone like Viv lauds Goans for serving the
> colonial order in unabashed and uncritical tones, I think we're going
> deeper into the morass of presenting the entire community as lackeys
> of colonialism, racism and an unfair order which hurt the average
> African, when in fact there was a diversity of views and attitudes
> there.


FN,
To keep this short, it seems everyone here wants to be an expert on the E. 
African Goan. That is everybody except the very people who lived there. 
Whenever an E. African recounts his memories, the non-E. African will 
jump in with all sorts of absurdities. These absurdities have got to be based 
on ignorance. Or envy. Or both. However, this is the first time I have
read anyone claim that Goans were lackeys. If anything, the black African, till 
this very day, will distinguish the Goan from the other peoples of the Indian 
sub-continent. This is because the Goan has distinguished himself there.


> I am sure a lot of our ancestors (mine too) took the side of the
> unfair or the aggressor. There were traders in slaves and opium who
> were Goan itself. We need not justify or glorify it in today's
> context, nor celebrate it.


You now introduce opium into a discussion of E. African Goans?
Well, if you want to trample on the readers feelings, this is the right thing 
to do. For the record, there was no opium in E. Africa i.e. until the US 
invaded Afghanistan and allowed it to be the worlds leading producer. 
E. Africa is now a major transit portal of Afghanistan opium. 


> May I point to what Selma herself wrote in another context, and ask
> how this is different (though written in more polite terms) to the
> words that I have put out here?


Selma is not from E. Africa. What she has written are her observations
from her research. It is worth what it is. May I add that Selma has also 
observed that, "We Goans are a peg lower than cows." 


Mervyn Maciel, on the other hand, writes about his own experiences in 
E. Africa. If you have the urge to challenge him, by all means do so. It 
would be nice, though, if the challenges were based on facts. 


Lastly, I would request you to re-read your first sentence in this email.
Now substitute "Saligao" for "Africander." Perhaps you will now
realize why posters here are refusing to respond to you.


12012012Mervyn
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[Goanet] Computer teachers

[Ana Maria Fernandes]

Fifteen years back Government of Goa started computer education in high schools 
and computer teachers were appointed on contract basis . For Fifteen years the 
diocesan society of Goa and the schools run by the religious used the services 
of these teachers not only to teach computer education but also for supervision 
and other work. After a long struggle their services got regularised but now 
when their efforts for fifteen long years was to be fruitful the diocesan 
society and the priests and nuns running the schools realised that they had 
right to appoint their own teachers as they enjoy minority right. I cannot 
understand this logic of our priests and nuns and also of the diocesan society 
as to why they waited for fifteen years to realise that they had rights. If 
these rights and prestige is given to them by the Almighty God I keep quiet and 
will say nothing but if their pride and prestige comes from within them they 
are wrong. Injustice is done to these computer teachers wh
 o have gone without salary since august 2011. Practice what you preach if you 
want the kingdom of Heaven to be yours or else please do not use the pulpit to 
sermonise us the poor lay people. Blessed are those who are poor in spirit for 
theirs is the kingdom of God. 
  
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[Goanet] Studies in Goan Migration: Dr Stella Mascarenhas Keyes

[Frederick Noronha]

http://www.archive.org/details/StudiesInGoanMigrationDrStellaMascarenhasKeyesguAndSxc
Studies in Goan Migration: Dr Stella Mascarenhas Keyes (GU and SXC)
(January 13, 2012)
1 smk-at-goauniv 1:26:35
2 smk-at-xaviers 1:13:48

Prominent researcher in Goan migration, Dr Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes,
did some of the first detailed academic research (infact, her PhD) on
Goan migration. She was down in Goa recently, and she spoke to
researchers and students of the Goa University and St Xavier's College
(Mapusa).

This audio is part of the collection: Community Audio
Recorded by FN/Frederick Noronha
Date: 2012-01-13
Keywords: migration; goa; india; catholic; international goan
migration; mapusa; stella mascarenhas-keyes; goa university
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[Goanet] Workshop on RTI for Secondary school students conducted at Vivekanand Vidyalaya Bori, Ponda on Friday 13 January 2012

[Sanjay Barve]

*Workshop on RTI for Secondary school students conducted at Vivekanand
Vidyalaya Bori, Ponda on Friday 13 January 2012*



Goa Peoples Forum a non government, non political forum consisting of
former student activists, as part of Goa Liberation Golden jubilee
conducted one hour free Workshop on Right to Information Act (RTI)
13thJanuary 2012 at Vivekanand Vidyalaya, Bori Ponda Goa for 9
th & 10th standard students, in this workshop information about how of
drafting, filing and pursuing RTI applications, appeals and Revisions under
the Right to Information Act. given to students, with Power Point
presentation, total 43 school students participated in this workshop
Conducted by GPF activist Shrikant Barve,  other school staff Sau Trupti
Khandeparkar, Suchana Parapti, Sau Madhura Upadhye and Sau Yogita
Usagaonkar also took part in this workshop. Headmaster Shri Mohan Chari
introduced guest and Sau. Savita Paranjape gave vote of thanks,


For photos visit

https://picasaweb.google.com/113304536565249979971/20120114?authkey=Gv1sRgCNnqzMPMhdS9YQ
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Re: [Goanet] Goan restaurants and authentic Goan cuisine................

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 14 January 2012 19:52, Vivian A. DSouza  wrote:
> I wont tell you, because I am selfish and want to continue to patronize the 
> place and get my food by "parcel" when my wife or I dont feel like cooking.  
> The point is that if you look hard enough you will find super places all over 
> Goa run by Niz Goenkars.  Once the
> "Dilli walas and Mumbai wallas find out about these places, we are done for.  
> Hence the
> secrecy. Bon apertit !

Let me share some places that are my favourites ... in my own
backyard. If the mythical "Dilliwalas" and "Mumbaikars" descend on
them, I'm sure we will have another hundred spring up here in no time.
Such are the cullinary talents here (even if some prefer to snobbishly
look down on the same, till these get reviewed in The Telegraph, not
of Kolkata but of London!)

* Vasu: Runs a nameless gadda, about 200 metres before the Saligao
cemetery/crematorium, on the left side of the CHOGM Road while headed
to Calangute. Tastiest xacuti-masala based crabs, baby shark, chicken
... Rs 30 a plate. Also take-aways. Make sure you don't end up with
other guys who have opened business nearby. Ask for Vasu, his is the
last gadda in the line.

* Mr D'Souza. Catholic Goan style beef, chicken, pork sandwiches,
"Goan hamburgers". Eight-year-old Aren loves the chouris-pao. You can
get snacks for three in a little over a hundred rupees. About 50
metres before Vasu's. CHOGM Road, at Saligao, not far from the church.

* Samrat Restaurant. Near the Saligao flour-mill on the CHOGM Road.
Makes tasty bhajis, specially the Luso-Indo :-) mix called
tomaat-salad. Lures a number of visitors specially for this to
Saligao. They close early in the evening, and breakfast time seems the
most crowds. FN
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[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (14Jan12)

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*** Fr Bismarque makes History ***

"He'll also help to restore Goa's Geography"

"We'll make our MARK to vote him/his party to Save Goa!


To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com
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[Goanet] XCHR: History Hour: The Changing Face of Canadian Catholics and Canadian Goans

[Goanet Events]

Xavier Centre Of Historical Research

   presents

HISTORY HOUR


THE CHANGING FACE OF CANDIAN
CATHOLICS AND CANADIAN GOANS

Terry Fay SJ


Date : January 19, 2012

Time : 5:30pm

Venue: Xavier Centre of Historical Research,
   B B Borkar Road, Alto Porvorim, Goa.
   www.xchr.in


Terry Fay SJ from the University of St Michael’s College of the 
University of Toronto will tell two stories in a power-point presentation.


The first story tells the changing face of Canadian spirituality, and 
the second story how Canadian Goans fit into Canadian spirituality. The 
talk will review the changes in Canadian spirituality including Catholic 
social thought, education, feminism, subjective awakening, and national 
multiculturalism.


The second story reveals how Goans through their social and athletic 
groups, the formation of GOA, its outreach to new arrivals, the 
democratization of GOA, its cultural and artistic activities, and 
creating the International Goan Organization have contributed to the 
changing face of Canadian spirituality.



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[Goanet] Goan restaurants and authentic Goan cuisine................

[Vivian A. DSouza]

I am semi-vegetarian by choice, and do not eat meat of any kind, but I eat 
anything that comes fromt he sea and all kinds of bhaji and chappati.  I found 
this little Restaurant cum
Bar run by a Niz Goenkar of the Hindu faith I believe, where the ambience may 
not be great, but the food is divine especially where Xitt Codi is concerned 
and all kinds of seafood from "Tisreo" to Crabs Shak Shak, to Rechado Bangda,, 
to Sungtam chi codi or Nishtem chi Codi, to fish prepared per your liking.  
Prices are very reasonable.  Where is it ?
I wont tell you, because I am selfish and want to continue to patronize the 
place and get my food by "parcel" when my wife or I dont feel like cooking.  
The point is that if you look hard enough you will find super places all over 
Goa run by Niz Goenkars.  Once the 
"Dilli walas and Mumbai wallas find out about these places, we are done for.  
Hence the 
secrecy. Bon apertit !
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[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa Message

[Mervyn & Elsie Maciel]

Apologies for prolonging this topic, Fred, but there are a few points I'd
like to clear.
I never felt that the African ire was directed at us, WaGoa(as we were
known), but rather at
the Wahindi(Asian businessmen), who openly exploited the illiterate African
masses
especially in the Reserves(districts). A couple of post-Uhuru(independence)
African
Provincial Commissioners I knew always spoke very favourably of us,
especially of the help
they'd received from us in the Civil Service. One of them was kind enough
to visit me during
his trip to the U.K. some years go.(Would he have bothered if we were
"exploiters"??).
   As for Marlon's rather flippant comments, all I can say is - there were
no "quislings"
in the Colonial Kenya Civil Service I belonged to.
 If we are to continue this discussion, can I please request that we do so
in a civil
and gentlemanly manner? Where, may I ask, was the need to bring in Vivian's
"beautiful property" and "illicit wealth" when the topic under discussion
is "British
awards for Goans in East Africa?
   If there are old scores to be settled, please keep them out of this
public forum.



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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

The Africander Goan is undeniably an influential animal, and I
understand why nobody would like to cross his or her path! My
intention here is not to judge the past with the spectacles of the
present. Only, when someone like Viv lauds Goans for serving the
colonial order in unabashed and uncritical tones, I think we're going
deeper into the morass of presenting the entire community as lackeys
of colonialism, racism and an unfair order which hurt the average
African, when in fact there was a diversity of views and attitudes
there.

I am sure a lot of our ancestors (mine too) took the side of the
unfair or the aggressor. There were traders in slaves and opium who
were Goan itself. We need not justify or glorify it in today's
context, nor celebrate it.

May I point to what Selma herself wrote in another context, and ask
how this is different (though written in more polite terms) to the
words that I have put out here?

QUOTE

The British relationship with Goans was ambivalent; subjecting them to
all the prejudice they felt towards non-white populations. They never
absolved Goans from the indignity of residential segregation,
segregated public washrooms and the tacit prohibition against
miscegenation and a ceiling on upward mobility on the work-front. Yet
the British valued Goans tremendously, forming relationships based on
genuine mutual respect and trust. They were unfailingly described by
British colonial officers as the backbone of the Civil Services,
people of ‘high quality’, meticulous in their work and devotedly loyal
to the Empire.

The Goan became a prominent member of colonial Africa, not through a
process of legislative power but rather through a partnership based on
work and social contacts. As the relationship grew, Goans inevitably
became intermediaries between the British and the indigenous
populations in many African colonies, in a world where upholding
racial hegemony required unequal partners. Goans were considered
Portuguese nationals, and as such distinct from Indians. For purposes
of census records, tax and revenue collection and government
correspondence, they were diligently accorded a separate notation.
http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/3470.html

UNQUOTE

Let us call a spade a spade. We can't turn back the clock; at least we
can be honest about where its hands reached. FN

On 14 January 2012 16:31, Carvalho  wrote:
>
> Every East African Goan I meet and interview is extremely articulate, well 
> mannered, successful, educated, hard-working, devoted and loyal. They loved 
> Africa deeply (yes perhaps it was Colonial Africa they loved but Africa 
> nonetheless).
>
> I frankly don't know if the factors that contrived to create East African 
> Goan society will ever be replicated elsewhere in adopted lands but that they 
> did in Colonial East Africa is a reality. To produce a type of society that 
> is so unique is something we have to celebrate. They influenced Goan 
> society in ways that have not yet been thoroughly investigated.
>
> If they have not received any commemoration in Goa and if there are no 
> statutes or museums that talk of their journey, then thank God, they have by 
> way of the British Empire.
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[Goanet] Rajen parrikar on restaurants in Goa

[Bernice Pereira]

i could not agree with Rajen more, specially the Delhiwalla bit. In fact, tell 
me of some really authentic Goan eateries.  All have a tandoori section devoted 
to this crowd. Btw Ananda on the  Anjuna Siolim road serves excellent seafood

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[Goanet] Mums the kitchen

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

To Goanet -

I have been to Mum's Kitchen once many years ago.

Food?  Meh.  

Prices? Aimed at people with more money than taste.

Ambience?  Before you enter the place, you pass by the neighborly 
Magan-bhai hugging lady customers (especially if they have 
well rounded breasts).  Once you are in, you immediately start
wondering about the bad karma that brought you there.

I am fine with places that charge premium prices.  Provided they
offer a true premium product in return.  Pretentious Indian establishments
are notorious for charging 5-star prices and offering 0-star returns.  
That no doubt works with the uncouth Dilliwallah.

Now, Ritz.  One word of sage advice.  In India, NEVER EVER go
anywhere near a building, shop, hotel, or restaurant containing
one of the following words: Ritz, Towers, Residency.  I was going
to include "Lords" but quickly realized that that would render me
homeless.

The Panjim Ritz restaurant is DISGUSTING.  It is a bacteria factory (to put
it very, very mildly).  That middle class Goans flock to it like flies shows
the lack of standards and taste in current Goan stock.  We Goans
are supposed to be connoisseurs in matters gustatory, especially
our fish-based cuisine which is the best in the world.  To add to
the filthy horror, you have waiting Goans with no manners brushing 
up against your plate, ready to eject you from your seat mid-meal
while the restaurant manager looks your way and shrugs.  I say,
stay away from this disgusting place.   (But recommend it to any
Punjabi or Delhi prick who comes your way.)

For a far more humble - but much better food-wise - experience,
go to Anandashram instead.  Or to the little shack run by a gaudo
behind Phulancho Khuriss in Bambolim.

Most of all, Goans, up your game.  And your declining taste.

Regards,


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Re: [Goanet] Mum's Kitchen, Master Chef, Godinho?s, Ritz Classic, Seetalaya etc

[Tony de Sa]

Pandu Lampiao:

Nicely said Joe-Utorda " why visit expensive resturants..."). After
all, one may have to sleep with the owners to get a fukot Cream of
Brule.

Tony: Bit drastic for the sake of a FREE (as in FUCOT) mess of pottage, no?

You must check out the Uudpi join at the Vascu bus station. Maasala Dosa
nice.

PL: I think its that time of year to do a list of all the under Re.20-25.
My fav is Cafe Corner in the Mupca market for the baaji,sheera, boji
and atmosphere.
In Margao, the chaai at the original Jackris is No pattis for me,
am vegetarian.

T: Try Ruchik behind DCB (opposite Poshak) in Mapusa - Lovely mushroom
bhaji with bread. Good Mirchis. For great Punjabi samosas, kachoris and
diary products try Walke's in the Market subyard. Bike approach from the
KTC bus stand exit road. Great street food near Alankar Cinema. There's a
new food court building up at the Mapusa - Bastora Road/ NH17 By pass
junction. Shawarma, grilled chicken, omelets, bhajias and diverse fruits/
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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious Arrows

[Reena]

The mystery barbs, too.;-)

Frederick FN Noronha ?  *??? ??? wrote:


Tony, I was just ribbing you!  And from your response, it does seem to have
worked :-) And we have even meanwhile got a post out of Reena; well worth
it indeed. FN
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[Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Carvalho]

Every East African Goan I meet and interview is extremely articulate, well 
mannered, successful, educated, hard-working, devoted and loyal. They loved 
Africa deeply (yes perhaps it was Colonial Africa they loved but Africa 
nonetheless). 
 
I frankly don't know if the factors that contrived to create East African Goan 
society will ever be replicated elsewhere in adopted lands but that they did in 
Colonial East Africa is a reality. To produce a type of society that is so 
unique is something we have to celebrate. They influenced Goan society in ways 
that have not yet been thoroughly investigated.
 
If they have not received any commemoration in Goa and if there are no statutes 
or museums that talk of their journey, then thank God, they have by way of the 
British Empire.
 
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[Goanet] British decorations/awards for Goans

[Antonio Menezes]

Quislings ! Vichy !  Good Lord !
Gulf Goans beware ! In a decade or so, you will be asked ,what did you do
to encourage democracy in the various sultanates of the Persian Gulf. Please
do not say you have not been warned
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[Goanet] Mysterious Arrows

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Tony, I was just ribbing you!  And from your response, it does seem to have
worked :-) And we have even meanwhile got a post out of Reena; well worth
it indeed. FN
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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

Viv, Though this would sound good in a shouting-match, it is a slogan. Not
an argument! FN

On 14 January 2012 08:19, Vivian A. DSouza  wrote:

> In my several decades in the USA, one of the local folk sayings  I heard
> was  "Never get into a pissing match with a skunk"  .  The implication is
> obvious.  With this statement I will refrain from further comment on this
> subject.
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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious Arrows

[Reena]

Well said, Tony!

Tony de Sa wrote:


Admin Noronha wrote thus:

 


Hang on Tony! Could this be some way of simply saying, "Man, you need
   


to be keeping more busy with something more productive... (even if it
is just posting something meaningful to Goanet sometimes)?" FN<<<

Dear Admin Noronha,

Are you suggesting that:

a) Posts to Goanet must only be 'meaningful'?
b) What is being posted on Goanet is 'meaningful' and nothing but
'meaningful'?
c) Goanet has no place for a whimsical post to remove the 'tedium vitae' of
reading some of the boring posts on GN?
d) Yours truly does not post anything 'meaningful' to Goanet?
e) Goanet is a mailing list reddled with only serious 'meaningful'
discussion and anything else be damned?
f) That all the muck raking and mud  slinging on Goanet is 'meaningful'?

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Re: [Goanet] [correction] Konkani VCD on Ravina - just allegations and false propaganda? If it is, what a shame for those involved in such cheap gimmicks

[J. Colaco < jc>]

In the immediately preceding post on this topic, I asked the following question:


1: Are the facts as posted by JoeGoaUK on Goanet on Sept 21, 2010
absolutely accurate?
  http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2011-September/213590.html


Please read the question as follows:

1: Are the facts as posted by JoeGoaUK on Goanet on Sept 21, 2011
absolutely accurate?
  http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2011-September/213590.html

Thanks

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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious Arrows.

[Mervyn Lobo]

Tony de Sa wrote:
> Dear Arrows, what's the secret you're keeping? Are you giving directions 
> to a location? What location? A restaurant? A house of ill fame? The route 
> to a treasure trove? A gambling den? A booze joint? A matka den? A lover's
> directions to a secret rendezvous? Or a thieves lair? What could you be?
-snip-
> The mysterious arrows, I can't get my mind off them. Can anyone who knows
> the secret of the mysterious arrows please enlighten me or at least offer
> me a plausible theory?
-

Tony,
Since I think I have caught the note of your post, here are my thoughts:

1) The arrows, like the ones on your keyboard, suggest the preferred direction.
2) If you are musically inclined, the arrows will also give you the "mercato" 
or pace at every step.
3) When you see double headed arrows, let me know. I am looking for any excuse 
to make a trip to Goa.
     Propergating the paranormal is as excellent an excuse as any.
4) I am looking forward to seeing some pictures of your er, sightings on Flickr.

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Re: [Goanet] Mervyn's Question

[Mervyn Lobo]

Roland,
Take a look at the subject line in your post (above).

Now take a look at the contents of your post (below).

Instead of trying to tackle the subject, you dwelt on the demons that are 
dancing on your back.

2012012Mervyn


From: "roland.fran...@gmail.com" 
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"  
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:39:54 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Mervyn's Question

Dear Mervyn,
You had best restrict yourself to asking questions like why gold has not gone 
to the 2000 line by this time despite the strange stubbornness of the US not to 
oblige you with your predictions of its long overdue financial collapse. 

Or why the coconut tree phenomenon of catapulting a plane that you saw on an 
island in Tanzania occurs only on feni-filled nights before blessed sleep takes 
over.

Roland.
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.
Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell.

-Original Message-
From: Mervyn Lobo 
Sender: goanet-bounces@lists.goanet.orgDate: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:40:11 
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Reply-To: Mervyn Lobo , "Goa's premiere mailing list,
    estb. 1994!" 
Subject: [Goanet] Goan decorations/awards for Britishers

Roland Francis wrote:
> The Goans in Africa were for the most part politically neutral. 

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Roland,

I think it would be a good idea to inform the reader how much time you spent in 
E. Africa.

2012012Mervyn

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[Goanet] Fw: VOTING FOR CHANGE

[john eric]

PRIEST STANDING FOR ELECTION
Normally,the State and religion should be kept away from each other.But in our 
politricks,they are overtly and covertly merged. Another good reason to welcome 
this is that the ten commandments and "peace be with you" is generally followed 
regularly in Church and hypocritically not outside?So, a good priest getting 
into gutter politics may be a positive influence to bring change in ethics and 
what is right. God's laws which the faithful follow, are written by inspired 
disciples and holy people on earth, and surely State laws,human rights  and 
ethical behaviour should not be different. Good behavior and morality in Church 
should not be separated/ forgotten outside its precincts? People electing an 
inspired priest against the power of money ,crime,nepotism and base instincts 
maybe just the remedy to start a revolution, at this time and place.
Fr Bismark will test the faith and honesty of people of Comburjua.He will no 
doubt be attacked and villified like Anna Hazare and IAC members, even by rigid 
 christians and the church. He needs all our prayers,for it is our voice and 
vote that will bring change!
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Re: [Goanet] Konkani VCD on Ravina - just allegations and false propaganda? If it is, what a shame for those involved in such cheap gimmicks

[J. Colaco < jc>]

" [Goanet] Konkani VCD on Ravina - just allegations and false
propaganda? If it is, what a shame for those involved in such cheap
gimmicks
including the press faternity and tiatrists?

On 12 January 2012 22:06, JoeGoaUk  wrote:

1: Don’t know what the poster (goa-world) of the above post trying to
implicate by forwarding the letter that appeared on Herald Letter  to
the Editor

2: (...) Medical professionals in the Committee opined that the death
was caused by septicaemia due to intra abdominal haemorrhage following
appendicectomy and said the patient might have been saved if she was
referred to GMC immediately

JoeGoaUk  added

3:Hope the poster clarifies his intentions

COMMENT:


Preface: That the family of this child needs accurate answers and
reasonable 'satisfaction' is without doubt. This should be organised
ASAP. The Medical Association would do well to facilitate this
process. The greater the delay, the greater the aggravation and
eventual damage to Medicine.

Also without doubt is the point that neither the doctors nor the GMC
should be denigrated without an opportunity for their case to be heard
in a court of law.


[1] It is quite normal for members of an aggrieved family to vent
their frustrations in the media. This frustration is aggravated by the
fact that death befell a child in such an untimely manner. When such
anger is vented, it usually is (also) because of what is or is
perceived (by the family) as being

[a] given the run around
[b] treated - usually by the doctors - in a dismissive manner.

With this is mind, we must understand that the family could get some
facts wrong. The chances of this happening would have been reduced IF

[a] the family was taken into confidence and
[b] kept abreast of the developments every step of the way.

Even an aggrieved family (if properly advised - in a timely manner)
will understand (usually) that

[a] NOT all deaths are preventable and that
[b] they are NOT necessarily as a result of clinical negligence.

BTW: There is NO place in the practice of medicine for

[a] Rudeness by medical professionals
[b] Modification (without an appropriate late-entry note) or
Falsification of clinical notes.


[2] That having been said, there are many issues with this case from a
legal-medicine point of view. I will list them herewith. It is a case
which has fascinated me for two reasons (a) I am a GMC alumnus. I have
a vested interest in the reputation of that institution (b) I have a
strong interest in medical (clinical) malpractice - specifically, from
a 'prevention & resolution' point of view.

The issues:

1: Are the facts as posted by JoeGoaUK on Goanet on Sept 21, 2010
absolutely accurate?
  http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2011-September/213590.html

2: Does the post-mortem report suggest that the Eyes and Kidneys were
missing at the time of the PM?

3: What does the 'Committee Report' state esp wrt the 'facts of the
case'? It would be good to have access to a PDF copy of that report.

4: What is the Pediatric or Surgical experience of the members of that
Committee? Would they be willing to be 'cross-examined' under oath for
the purposes of ascertaining the bases of their conclusions? I believe
that the implicated doctors would have a right to put them on the
stand.

5: What regulations does Goa have for the Licensing and follow-up
Inspection of the "private" hospitals? At what intervals does the
Health Service inspect these "private" hospitals (and also the Public
Health clinics)? When last was the "private hospital" concerned,
inspected?

Hopefully, some one in the know, will advise.

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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious arrows...........from Tony de Sa

[Vivian A. DSouza]

Tony:
 
I saw these mysterious arrows about 5 years ago, accompanied by some words in 
Hindi written in the Roman script.  On making inquiries I was told by someone 
that these arrows were marked by Army personnel to guide soldiers in their 
fitness runs over country roads which were not as congested as the main 
arteries.  Sounded plausible, but as you said, there could be more sinister 
reasons.  Or could someone be planning a Marathon through the scenic villages 
of Goa ?.
 
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Re: [Goanet] Mysterious Arrows

[Tony de Sa]

Admin Noronha wrote thus:

>>>Hang on Tony! Could this be some way of simply saying, "Man, you need
to be keeping more busy with something more productive... (even if it
is just posting something meaningful to Goanet sometimes)?" FN<<<

Dear Admin Noronha,

Are you suggesting that:

a) Posts to Goanet must only be 'meaningful'?
b) What is being posted on Goanet is 'meaningful' and nothing but
'meaningful'?
c) Goanet has no place for a whimsical post to remove the 'tedium vitae' of
reading some of the boring posts on GN?
d) Yours truly does not post anything 'meaningful' to Goanet?
e) Goanet is a mailing list reddled with only serious 'meaningful'
discussion and anything else be damned?
f) That all the muck raking and mud  slinging on Goanet is 'meaningful'?

If that's the case God and Admin Noronha help Goanet!!!


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Re: [Goanet] British awards for Goans in East Africa

[Vivian A. DSouza]

In my several decades in the USA, one of the local folk sayings  I heard was  
"Never get into a pissing match with a skunk"  .  The implication is obvious.  
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[Goanet] BJP's cow dung gems: stops C-sec, n-radiation

[Marshall Mendonza]

*BJP’s cow dung gems: stops C-sec, n-radiation*

*Milind Ghatwai  
*

**· ***o** Only those inside houses coated with cow dung escaped
the 1984 Bhopal gas tragedy.

* There are only two ways to remain insulated from nuclear radiation, and
one of them is application of cow dung.

* Using cow dung can ensure normal delivery instead of C-section.

* Those who drink the milk of jersey cow and buffaloes commit more crime
than those who consume only desi cow’s milk.

* Only the cow can save mankind; just touching it can stabilise blood
pressure.

These among other gems of wisdom were dished out as the Madhya Pradesh
government’s Cow Protection and Conservation Board inaugurated a national
workshop, ‘Bharatiya Gauvansh Sanrakshan Va Samvardhan’, Monday. Chief
Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan, who inaugurated the workshop, came in for
lavish praise and felicitation for his anti-cow slaughter legislation.

“Foreign breeds give only poisoned milk,” insisted Sunil Mansingha of
Govigyan Anusandhan Kendra Deolpar, Nagpur. “It contains A1 protein, which
causes autism, heart attack.”

 “Marne se bachna hai to gai ki sharan mein aana hoga (To escape death,
leave yourself at the mercy of the cow),” said BJP Rajya Sabha MP Meghraj
Jain, who once suggested that tractors be pulled by bulls.

Shanker Lal, chief of Akhil Bharatiya Gauseva, said only the cow could help
India regain its “primacy”, before going on to extolling its dung’s powers
to protect against nuclear radiation.

Lal also asserted that 10 grams of cow milk ghee equalled 100 tonnes of
oxygen, and that children became more obedient if they had cow’s milk.

Chouhan said the Madhya Pradesh government would strictly implement the new
anti-cow slaughter law and designate special officers in districts to
monitor its legal aspects. He added that they had wanted a maximum term of
10 years under the law, but had been forced by the Centre to keep it at
seven.

With the legislation authorising authorities to raid on mere “suspicion” of
an offence, the chief minister asserted: “The accused will have to prove
his innocence.”

Animal Husbandry Minister Ajay Vishnoi said every district would set aside
Rs 1-2 crore to feed cattle seized during raids.

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Re: [Goanet] Mum's Kitchen, Master Chef, Godinho’s, Ritz Classic, Seetalaya etc

[Pandu Lampiao]

Nicely said Joe-Utorda " why visit expensive resturants..."). After
all, one may have to sleep with the owners to get a fukot Cream of
Brule.

You must check out the Uudpi join at the Vascu bus station. Maasala Dosa nice.

I think its that time of year to do a list of all the under Re.20-25.
My fav is Cafe Corner in the Mupca market for the baaji,sheera, boji
and atmosphere.
In Margao, the chaai at the original Jackris is No pattis for me,
am vegetarian.



On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 1:30 AM, JoeGoaUk  wrote:
>
> Mums Kitchen, Master Chef, Godinho’s, Ritz Classic, Seetalaya etc
>
>  The ongoing discussion on Mum’s Kitchen prompted me to come out with this..
>
>  Master Chef (new)
> Parekh Building, near Municipal Garden – see pic
> I knew it was an a/c Restaurant but my friends invited me to this restaurant.
> I did warn them but they said it can’t be that expensive as they saw a little 
> board outside saying ‘fish curry rice Rs.70 only’
> Our’s was the dinner time.
> After going through the menu (and price list) they order just one Squids 
> Chilly Fry,
> then we order some port wine Vinicola (thought this might the cheapest) 3+1 
> glasses of 120ml each
> We then ordered Papad or papadum 4 pcs
> Assuming 2 plates of Mixed fried rice would be enough for 3, we ordered 2.
> Then, half Tandoori Chicken followed by a bottle of mineral water.
> Guess the bill now..
> It’s Rs.1027
> (Squids 165, Papad 28, Tandoori half 140, Mixed Frd/Rice 350, water bot 24 & 
> wine 320)
> On top, the qnty of fried rice was not much or 2 is not even enough for 
> hungry 2.
> KF Beer rate was Rs.90.
> It’s on first floor, a/c with good and clean seating with leather sofas etc.
> Master Chef
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4092616540/in/photostream/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4091853195/
>
>
> Ritz Classics
> Many of you will remember I wrote about this  back in 2007 and again 2008 –  
> see pics
> Here, our favourite was Fish Platter costing then Rs.300 – see pic
> Often  we went here just for this platter, no drinks (may be just sweet lime, 
> beer here was 80 then) no other food.
> One day, two of us, like a hungry horse came here for our fish platter.  We 
> both suspected  something is not tasting
>  too good within the platter. We  ate only about 60%.
> Some hours later, i got a call from Agxi saying he has some stomach problem..
> I responded, guess where I am right now. (me in my Miramr loo, used to live 
> here then) as same thing with me.
> Reminded me of my mother, she always said 'if in doubt, never eat anything 
> just leave it'.
> No fish platter since them.
> Ritz classic is more famous for Fish curry Rice (see pic) particularly during 
> lunch time.
> Ritz rs.70  (2008)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/2432314116/
>
> Fish Platto (2008)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/2431499317/
>
> Ritz (2007)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/427942511/
>
> Godinho’s Restaurant (opp. National Cinema)
> One of the Oldest which also serve meat products.
>  Last November, we been there
> We ordered 1 Chkn Fried Rice 100
> 1 Chicken noodles  100
> Water bot 15
> Papad 15
> And some hot drink stuff
> Rs.330 for 2 was the bill
>
> Godinho’s (April 2008)
> Prawns Curry Rice
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/2369973846/
>
> Pork Chilli Fry (April 2008)
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk13/2369994938/
>
> Seetalaya
> Next to Cafe Bhosle, 1stfoor.
> Boiled Fish curry Rice 70 – pic rpt
> Prawn masala fry 160
> Papad 10
> 90ml Honey bee dry 25 (some one told me it’s good for cold)
> Bill 265 for 1
> rpt
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukfishcurryrice2/6481009941/in/photostream/
>
>
> Mum’s kitchen, Miramar – See pic
> Well, I have never been to this restaurant or I have been to this restaurant 
> just one only to check the menu (and prices).
> It was in late 2008. Average there I spotted around Rs.250 per item.
> Knowingly,  I do not visit expensive Restaurants.
> Me ek Garib manus ahe!.
> This restaurant is frequented by top people including govt. officers whose 
> cars (with red beacon)
> often seen parked on the road infront, along with many others. I think This 
> restaurant has no parking facility,
> so cars seen parked in front  DB Road.
> Panjim Traffic cell must be making good money on their regular haftas from 
> the restaurant owners located on that
> stretch of road up to Miramar beach and including PanAsian Bowl. I ahve 
> plenty pics at flickr on this.
> here is one http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim3/4343150978/
>
> Mum’s kitchen
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/2924453873/
> at Inox coutyard
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk_fishcurryrice/3270068308/
>
>
> Extra:
> Mapusa Paachganga, KTC fist floor
>
> sungttam
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukfishcurryrice2/6490759797/in/photostream
>
> Korbott curry
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukfishcurryric

[Goanet] British decorations/awards for Goans

[Bernado Colaco]

For Fred Noronha colonial is evil and commi is god. OBE's were just doing a 
good job therefore keeping the Goan flag hoisted. What is coming out from the 
neo colonial rule is goons and thugs.

BC


> Nice to hear that so many Goans were recognized for their sterling
> services to the Colonial Government in East Africa.


Viv and others on this thread:

Isn't this a contradiction in terms? In a post-colonial era, what does it
mean to be have offered "sterling services to the Colonial Government" in
East Africa or anywhere else for that matter?

I'd rather celebrate the achievements of the handful of Goans who
worshipped at the altar of social justice, and took the huge risk kof
supported the underdog... and the Black African cause... when the wind was
blowing in the other direction. Pio Gama Pinto. Fritz DeSouza. Aquino
Braganca. Or even the Assagaonkar, Armande de Souza in the Ceylon of
another era [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goanet-news-backup/message/2428]
Among others, I guess.
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Re: [Goanet] Goan decorations/awards for Goans

[Mervyn Lobo]

Frederick FN Noronha wrote:
> Marlon, Your attempt to derail the discussion with labels,
> strawmen and other bogeys doesn't appeal to me.  Yes, Robert
> Mugabe was my hero -- but that was in 1983, when he indeed
> was an articulate spokesman for the intersts of the Third
> World.  The corrupting influence of years in power does sadly
> distort people and their priorities, though one could say
> that Mwalimu Julius Nyerere and Nelson Mandela (though after
> a shorter stint in power) have come out in far better light.


FN,
Mugabe believes that he is sent by God and only he is capable of running 
Zimbabwe. 
He has maintained power for 30 years now and will never relinquish it. 
Nyerere retired after 25 years and left a mixed legacy. 
Mandela stepped down after five years in, as you describe, "far better light."


We have volunteers on this net who have kept their positions for a dozen years.
The real question is: 
How long does it take a Goan to realize that things can run without him?

Mervyn2012012

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[Goanet] Breathtaking view from Cuelim Hilltop Chapel

[JoeGoaUk]

Ancient 3 kings chapel on the hillock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8NzAYo_480

Vaigonn (Rabi crops), Lake Tollem, lotus, Fields, Sunset, Churches of Velsao, 
Cansaulim, 
Konkan Railway station Verna, Metha Strips, Zuari Birla factory, foreign 
trourists etc

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc 
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[Goanet] Fw: Everything you need to know about visiting an Indian home | Matador Network

[Con Menezes]

I guess this is for 'foreigners' and expatriates  who may lost touch with our 
customs?


Subject: Everything you need to know about visiting an Indian home | Matador 
Network



http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/everything-you-need-to-know-about-visiting-an-indian-home/
 
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Re: [Goanet] British decorations/awards for Goans

[J. Colaco < jc>]

 Frederick FN Noronha wrote:  Marlon  Robert Mugabe was my hero --
but that was in 1983, when he indeed  was an articulate spokesman for
the intersts of the Third World.



OBSERVATION:

1983 = One year after the onset of the massacre in Matabeleland!

Bravo, Comrade, Bravo?

Who are your other Heroes? Hitler, Salazar, Franco, Mussolini, Tojo  OR

Is your Hero-worship only reserved for the Komrades?

jc
ps: Read widely and with an open mind before you form an opinion;
especially as you wield the powers of the "Administrador".
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