[Goanet] Morning on the Mandovi *some pictures*
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[Goanet] Have We Lost It? - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto
BOSCO WRITES I don't believe the GOA sell themselves as "prior membership to any sort of club not necessary". But I do know with certainty that new immigrants are usually dealing with issues that affect new immigrants - jobs, house, jobs, rent, jobs, family, jobs, kids school, jobsyou get the drift. RESPONSE. I did not indicate nor imply that the GOA had any PRIOR Club Membership requirements. Your statement is in itself proof that since they have never had exposure to the Club system, their life revolves along as you say " jobs, house,jobs,rent,family,jobs school jobs. They do not have a broader outlook to life other than their own inner circle neither can they see beyond their noses that there is a big world out there waiting to be discovered and shared with them should they take their beaks out of the sand. The founders of the GOA and subsequent committees and members had the same or indeed greater constraints, yet were able to set aside time to devote to this exceptional organization which promotes and brings together people of Goan descent in a forum where they can meet other fellow Goans and enjoy cultural and social activities. I think that the current influx of immigrant Goans is as I have stated not in the least inclined or find it possibly not economical to join and participate in the Associations activities and as I have said before, neither are the majority of our youth. True the latest trends in more youthful committees is a good sign, but this has sadly not resulted in any significant level of increase in membership. I also feel , having been in one of the committees, that there is no appreciation for members of the committee by certain members who while contributing the least by way of helping the committee members achieve their goals, are the most vocal by way of criticism and pulling down or demeaning members of the committee particularly at the AGM. Keep in mind that all the committee members are volunteers and give of their services willingly. Your comments regarding the Clubs in Africa being Cast based is true. We therefore have a Good chance of forming one united Goan organization and indeed this organization should and has been the GOA. Now you perhaps are trying to undermine the largest Goan Association by striving to promote the Canorient Toronto. There you go again, fragmenting the community by opening yet another splinter clubs. Why cannot we Goans unite? This is our downfall. When we see success, within our community, we try to minimize it or downplay instead of being proud of and supportive of the success. Your comments regarding Hindu Goans migrating to Bombay, is noted. However the immigration of Hindu Goans to Bombay is still not as large as the Christian Migration out of Goa which is so significant that whereas there used to be a Christian majority, there is now a Hindu majority. Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares.
[Goanet] OMG!
OMG ! Thanks to the producer/director and the cast, my Sunday has been made and the Rs.120/- x 2 that has been spent has been well worth it. But, I felt that my evening escapade in investing in a trip all the way to Panjim was lost when I approached the Inox. It was a terrible traffic jam. Had to park about 1.5 kms away, walk back, actually run, to stand in chaotic lines only to be told that the house was full for the 5.15 p.m. show. No full house board/s to be seen anywhere in this modern High Tech triplex which cost the taxpayers 23 crores instead of 8. The next best thing that I had to do is to check out SAMRAT. Lucky for me, OMG was on for a 6.30 p.m. show. Thanks to my brother in Mumbai I could have missed this master-piece. All my life I have lived this 'OMG', except for making use of the construction 'KATAUNNI' [ the iron rod lever]. But then I felt that when the Krishna's charm was flung in the air, it rolled over and over and landed in my hands as the 'KATAUNNI'. On exiting the SAMRAT, I wanted to march right back to INOX and break the legs of the GOD who has built it in the place where it is, without giving a thought about traffic jams. On top of it, this particular 'GOD' who, it seems, can do no wrong, wanted to put a full-fledged shopping mall in the Old GMC. What a brainless GOD in deed. Needless to say that when I saw the God-less being chased by one and all from the Court room, I felt it was me running from the 'Garana' that was put on my head by the local Shiv Sena, a long time ago, for stamping on it's toes stopping loudspeaker horns blasting away the peace of the Village of Moira, specifically my peace of mind. But no Khrisna had come to my help. For that matter, even the local 'Jesus Christ' had run away. But what helped was my message to these punks telling them to ensure they saw me six foot under ground. If they failed, then to bid good-bye for themselves, their wives, their parents, their kids, their cattle and even their cats and dogs because I would take them with me if given the second chance OVERNIGHT in one go. WAS I SERIOUS THEN?? AM I SERIOUS NOW??? A thousand marks to OMG. This movie should be up for whatever RATNA, the most superior one. But before I conclude, once again tons of thanks to my brother, Elly in Mumbai, as well as my two good net-friends who convinced me that I should see this movie in style at INOX. Thanks guys. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans blow earnings on personal consumption
My dear Doc... You blew up wellblow this...blow that...blow sundry... But failed to celebrate the master-blower of all times: THE DEAR OLD NUT... the onle & only virtuosa of blowdom...MONIKA LEWINSKY How could youman? Old Joepls give as wide publicity/support as you can...& more to Carmita's SAVE GOA event. Monday, October 15 in London. I have already sent you programme, if not pls send an OWL ASAP The never sleeping Chacha& his diabetes be demned... > From: cola...@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 08:33:54 -0400 > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans blow earnings on personal consumption > > > > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote: > > > The word "BLOW" is a value-loaded one. Who decides where someone should > > SPEND their money? > > > > Imagine headlines such as this: > > > > * Mineowners BLOW their earnings in Swiss bank accounts > > > > We can simply let our imagination run riot on this track... FN > > > > Yes ... It would indeed be a 'riotous' bit of imagination to even believe > that those chaps BLOW their earnings in those accounts. > > jc > > > > > > On 7 October 2012 01:35, Jose Colaco wrote: > >> > >> On Oct 6, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Eugene Correia > >> > >>> [1] Overseas Goans have become SHREWD to TO JOIN HANDS with the > >>> government or with local bodies because once the overseason Goans part > >>> with their money they are then subjected to a wild goose case. > >>> > >>> [2] Overseas Goans must think million times before venturing into Goa's > >>> business sector as joint-partners in any scheme. The risk is high. The > >>> government probably WANTS overseas Goans to blow their earnings in > >>> fattening their pockets. > >> > >> COMMENT: > >> > >> I agree with the CAUTION advised by Eugene, IF I have accurately > >> understood his rather poorly scripted post. > >> > >> However, I wonder if it can be reasonably deduced that #s 1&2(supra) > >> contradict each other. > >> > >> jc
[Goanet] Come to Goa where 'daru' is cheap
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Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans blow earnings on personal consumption
On Oct 6, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Frederick Noronha wrote: > The word "BLOW" is a value-loaded one. Who decides where someone should SPEND > their money? > > Imagine headlines such as this: > > * Mineowners BLOW their earnings in Swiss bank accounts > > We can simply let our imagination run riot on this track... FN > Yes ... It would indeed be a 'riotous' bit of imagination to even believe that those chaps BLOW their earnings in those accounts. jc > > On 7 October 2012 01:35, Jose Colaco wrote: >> >> On Oct 6, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Eugene Correia >> >>> [1] Overseas Goans have become SHREWD to TO JOIN HANDS with the government >>> or with local bodies because once the overseason Goans part with their >>> money they are then subjected to a wild goose case. >>> >>> [2] Overseas Goans must think million times before venturing into Goa's >>> business sector as joint-partners in any scheme. The risk is high. The >>> government probably WANTS overseas Goans to blow their earnings in >>> fattening their pockets. >> >> COMMENT: >> >> I agree with the CAUTION advised by Eugene, IF I have accurately understood >> his rather poorly scripted post. >> >> However, I wonder if it can be reasonably deduced that #s 1&2(supra) >> contradict each other. >> >> jc
[Goanet] Keeping What Matters - Stray Thoughts of a Toronto Goan
By Roland Francis Source: Goan Voice UK, Daily Newsletter, 7 Oct. 2012, at www.goanvoice.org.uk Full text: In no time at all the Goan, as the world knew him or her, will soon disappear. Already in Goa, for better or for worse, there is a speedy assimilation of the Goan with his Indian countrymen. Habits have changed and character shed, followed by speech and mannerisms in rapid sequence. The final markers that indicate a complete remake are the thought processes. Once that changes, the transformation is complete. For Goans in Bombay, assimilation didn't happen as easily. Their small numbers in a big cosmopolitan city protected them while providing distinct advantage over the less westernized (at that time) Indian. Then globalization took place, India became a favored investment destination, money rained all over the city and voila, the urban Indian became almost another Goan instead of the other way around, as happened in Goa. In the western spectrum, Diaspora assimilation turned out to be a gradual, natural progression. Of the first generation, the East African who already had close interaction with British nationals in the workplace but was largely separated in the social context, quickly assimilated. A similar set of conditions was seen with Goans from Gulf countries. The Goan from India was a little different. Not having much western personal contact back home, he tried to stick to his Goan-hood as much as he could without seeing any advantage in assimilation. Not to say he didn't follow the ways of the new country, he just didn't see the benefit of it. Ditto with Goans from Pakistan who sighed with their own relief at finding that now being in secular-Christian countries, they no longer had to cower with religious fear, or at being social targets. All this meant that the first generation Goan immigrant zealously kept his Goan ways in private and in his own community gatherings while quickly donning the mantle of the western societal culture of his new home and citizenship at the workplace and in public. This holding to roots unfortunately has proved all too fleeting and has completely disappeared with the second generation who having been born or almost- born in this new world, knows no different, no Goan way. There is nothing to mourn but lots to keep. No tears need be shed for this natural evolution, but there is also no reason why we cannot preserve those Goan characteristics always worth keeping, for as long as we are able to keep them. Many years ago when my friends sent me a visa to visit them in Bahrain and to see if I could find a better future than what I found comfortable in India, I was amazed at what being Goan meant. I was a city boy, a Bombayite, used to his own personal space and independence. I knew little of what being a Goan meant despite my heritage. The visit to that Persian Gulf sheikhdom changed that. Strangers called me to their homes for lunches and dinners and comfort. I had booked to stay at the Saligao Hotel, a quaintly named Goan inn that was a little Arab style mansion owned by an old-timer tiatrist from Sailgao who let out his rooms with home cooked meals, but these strangers would hear none of that, offering me instead the hospitality of their own homes for that one month. Though I politely refused, the gestures made a lasting impression. People who had heard I was scouting for a job opening would tell me of firms that paid well and currently hiring. Not before and not since have I witnessed any such thing. My experience is not unique. Almost all of us have at some time or other been the recipient of the Goan milk of human kindness. If I have described my wonderment, it is because words fail me when I have to define what being Goan means. If you are able to describe it, then you have not done it sufficient justice. That is what we must keep, while letting go of East African Goan, Bombay Goan, Pakistani Goan, Goan from Goa, Gulf Goan and whatever other Goan there exists, in order to be just Goan. There is much to celebrate in that plain vanilla envelope [?] and much to drop off along the way. Caste, religion, village, education, riches, poverty and personal and family status must all be forgotten. When we see another Goan, we must see ourselves and enjoy that. Time is not on our side but at least there will be no regrets. Roland Francis (roland.fran...@gmail.com )
[Goanet] Lokmat ad
The other day, I saw a billboard ad for Lokmat on the Verna to Airport road. I cannot attach the photo but I attach the translation is which reads as under: QUOTE The Daily who is writing against sellers of Soil of Goa. Today Goans are affected on the pretext of development; the Industries like Mining, Tourism, construction are robbing, in the day light, the natural and cultural wealth of Goa. These facts are being fearlessly exposed by the daily Lokmat. UNQUOTE This from a paper whose owners are the Dardas of Aurangabad/Nagpur. One family member is a Congress Member of Parliament, and another is a Congress minister in Maharashtra. Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Never a dull moment:1962
While the Tehelka story may or may not be accurate, I wonder if the following is accurate 'at the end of 1960' jc On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Venantius J Pinto wrote: > Its 50 years since 1962. So ot? Ot! > > "The Goa operation at the end of 1960 witnessed two strange events. The new > Chief of General Staff (CGS), Lt Gen BM Kaul, marched alongside one of the > columns of the 17th Division under Gen KP Candeth that was tasked to enter > Goa. Thereafter he and, separately, the Defence Minister, Krishna Menon, > declared “war” or the commencement of operations at two different times — > one at midnight and the other at first light the next morning. In any other > situation such flamboyant showmanship could have been disastrous. However, > Goa was a cakewalk and evoked the mistaken impression, among gifted > amateurs in high places, that an unprepared Indian Army could take on > China." > http://tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=Ne131012Coverstory.asp > >
Re: [Goanet] Overseas Goans blow earnings on personal consumption
The word "blow" is a value-loaded one. Who decides where someone should spend their money? The Goa government? The vested interests here? Mineowners (that favourite whipping boy of moment, though they've been doing their damage for decades)? Imagine headlines such as this: * Goa government servants blow earnings on KFC and Zantye cashewnuts. * Ministers blow earnings to part-share their booty with their voters. * Parrikar government blows State revenues on all kinds of subsidies. * Mineowners blow their earnings in Swiss bank accounts We can simply let our imagination run riot on this track... FN On 7 October 2012 01:35, Jose Colaco wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Eugene Correia > >> [1] Overseas Goans have become SHREWD to TO JOIN HANDS with the government >> or with local bodies because once the overseason Goans part with their money >> they are then subjected to a wild goose case. >> >> [2] Overseas Goans must think million times before venturing into Goa's >> business sector as joint-partners in any scheme. The risk is high. The >> government probably WANTS overseas Goans to blow their earnings in fattening >> their pockets. > > COMMENT: > > I agree with the CAUTION advised by Eugene, IF I have accurately understood > his rather poorly scripted post. > > However, I wonder if it can be reasonably deduced that #s 1&2(supra) > contradict each other. > > jc
