[Goanet] 2014 Decennial Exposition of St Francis Xavier

[Dom Martin]

Against the backdrop of the 2014 Decennial is this jarring insinuation in 
Wikipedia:


". . . The body of Francis Xavier was first taken to Portuguese Malacca and 
two years later shipped back to Goa. It is said that the saint's
body was as fresh as the day it was buried. Although some critics suggest 
this is the body of Thotagamuwe Sri Rahula Thera a renowned
Buddhist monk whose incorrupt body was smuggled by the Portuguese from the 
remote village of Ambana in Sri Lanka.[4] . . .

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Bom_Jesus ]


Is St. Francis Xavier’s credibility at stake here or that of Wikipedia? 
Alternatively, where does one draw the line between what's true and

what's brewed, or between fiction and friction?


Dom Martin
dommartin9 at aol.com 

Re: [Goanet] Language controversy

[Jose Colaco]

On Oct 23, 2013, at 1:52 AM,  Cyrus Sanches wrote:
'Have these guys lost it. This seems to be an outpouring of frustration and 
anger, tapping into the so called anti Bammon feeling. This article works very 
hard to create a divide in the Catholic community'


COMMENT:

1: One can only lose what one has.

2: I found the language of the despicable 'article' utterly disgusting.

3: But then I realised: that the author of that article had previously and 
quite unsuccessfully tried to impose his bizarre Ortho-something Romi script on 
Konkani Mogis.

4: That, it was summarily dismissed is another cause for expressed 'frustration'

5: It is highly likely that the writer is not really a Goan.

jc 

[Goanet] Camoes

[Vivian A. DSouza]

Thanks Vivek for an eloquent and very informative post about the poet Camoes.  
I was enlightened and educated by the article.  I had heard about Camoes and 
saw his grave and statue in Lisbon,
but knew precious little about him.  You have done us a great favor by posting 
this article.

Re: [Goanet] Goanet - the joy of the journey

[Vivian A. DSouza]

Come on Merv.  I am on Roland's side on this issue.  
Way before you set foot in Canada, in the Ice Age, when the North American 
continent was
connected to Siberia,  Siberian tigers roamed what is now Canada.  It is 
rumored that the "Asian"
coolies hired to build the Canadian railway, having a penchant for tiger 
"parts" for their medicinal
preparations, including the precursor to Viagra, decimated the tigers, leading 
to their extinction.
So Roland is right after all is he ever wrong ???

  .  

[Goanet] OBITUARIES: Goan who built bridges with Portugal, Dr Jorge Rento Fernandes ...

[Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا]

  GOAN WHO BUILT BRIDGES WITH PORTUGAL: Dr Jorge
  Renato Fernandes.  Grande-Official da Ordem do
  Infante Dom Henrique.  Delegado da Fundacao Cidade
  de Lisboa em Goa.  Membro Fundador da
  Indo-Portuguese Friendship Society, Goa.  Hisband
  of Margot, father/father-in-law of Paula/Cesar
  Pinto, Dr Yasmin, Ana Maria/Ashok Miranda, Dr
  Natascha.  Funeral from 163 Campal at 3.45 pm for
  St Agnes Church (St Inez) for Mass and burial on
  Tuesday Oct 29, 2013 at 4 pm.  Family requests no
  condolence visits please.

Tributes to late comedian Anthony Mendes of Amchem Noxib
http://bit.ly/HsdnDD bit.ly/1alCBAn

DEATHS

* BETIM: Saraswati (Taee) G Morajkar, Goa Red  Cross, Lions.
* MARGAO-GOGOL: Neha Harish Bhansali (GS Enterprises, Aquem)
* MARGAO: Manohar Vinayak Shenvi Kossambe, aged 90.
* MARGAO: Norbert Motha, b 1934, Mungul.
* MASHEM, CANACONA: Vitorino Dias, Dapot.

REMEMBRANCE:

* AGONDA: Reba Fernandes, Karashirmoll. 3rd anniv.
* ALTO Sta CRUZ: Walter Mascr (Civil Engineer, ex Bahrain)
* AMBORA: Monica Blossom Antao of Jila Bakery, b 1977.
* AROSSIM: Agnelo Mendonca, Folvaddo, Cansaulim) 1st Anniv.
* ASSOLNA: Cristina Fernandes, Orel. Month's mind.
* AZOSSIM (Tiswadi): Antonio Barreto, month's mind.
* BANDRA Louie Rosalia D'Silva 1931-2012.
* BENAULIM: Carolina Baptista of Pedda, month's mind.
* CARANZALEM: Assis Dias, Mulatin. First anniv.
* CHICALIM/VERNA: Imaculada Godinho b. 1960, 1st anniv.
* FATORDA: Lelin Dharma Kurtarkar, 12th Day
* MACAZANA: Leslie Vaz, 3rd anniv
* MAPUSA-Camarcazana: Gerson DeMello, 3rd anniv.
* MARGAO: Joaquim Mariano Sebastiao Carvalho, M/Grande.

* MUMBAI: Sr Mary Rose PHJC 1967-2012
* MUMBAI: Reis Magos D'Sa, St Anthony's Ch, Malwani
* MUMBAI: Leopoldina Mary Noronha, b 1932, d 2013, Pali Hill
* MUMBAI: Cecilia D'Souza of Orlem, Malad
* MUMBAI: Annie Ferreira, Malad West, Malwani,10th anniv
* MUMBAI: Xavier Serrao, b 1910, 30th anniv
* MUMBAI: Joseph Anthony Pimenta, 50th death anniversary
* MUMBAI: Derrick Menezes, birthday remembrance
* MUMBAI: Francis (Franchu) F'des, 25th anniv. Amboli
* MUMBAI: Joseph Lawrence D'Souza, OLSC, Dadar, anniv
* MUMBAI: Philomena Fernandes, Vasai, b 1939 anniversary
* MUMBAI: Sr Mary Magdalene (Margery) Remedios MSCJ, Bandra
* MUMBAI: Mathias Francis Nunes, b 1899, 50th anniv 4 Bungl.
* MUMBAI: Clothilda Teresa Valles (Cottie), 10th ann. 4 Bungl.
* MUMBAI: Prof Anthony Monteiro (Monty), 18th anniv, Orlem
* MUMBAI: FLory Pereira, b 1913 w/o late Anthony Lawrence
  Pereira (Tivim). 100th birthday remembrance. Wishes
  from family including 13 grand-children and 21 ggc.

100TH BIRTHDAY REMEMBRANCE-MUMBAI: Joaquim Lobo (Bonnie).
Husband of Egith (Mary), father of Nicholas/Barbara,
grand-father of Griselda/Raymond, Ginella/Raymond, Lovbert,
great-grandfather of Isabelle/Ivanka.

all souls day -- sat, nov 2, 2013: Masses at Sewri Cemetery,
7 am, 7.45 am, 8.30 am and 6 pm. General blessing of the
graves after 8.30 am Mass. -- Bombay Christian Burial Board.

OLIVIA HELEN D'SILVA AT 104: Olive Helen D'Silva peacefully
passed away on Thursday, October 17, 2013 in her 104th year.
Wife of the late Anthony.  Mother of Gerald (late Eleanor),
Ralph (Ninette), Marina (Edmund), Neville (Joyce) and
Christine (Winston), grandchildren and great grandchildren.
Visitation was at the R.S.  Kane Funeral Home, 6150 Yonge
Street on Sunday, October 27, 2013 from 2-6 p.m.  Funeral
Mass on Monday, October 28, 2013 at Good Shepherd Church , 21
Simonton Blvd , Thornhill, at 11 a.m.  Interment followed at
Holy Cross Cemetery.  (Info from Mike Ali mike.a...@yahoo.com)

ROY DE SOUZA, AT SLOUGH-BERKSHIRE: The funeral for Roy De
Souza from Slough, Berkshire, United Kingdom -- brother of
Gregory, Bela, Edgar, Victor, Brian, Sandra & Alexander,
husband of Valentina and father of Daniella, Maria-Chantelle,
Natasha & Kalina will take place on Friday, November 1st 2013
at 1.30pm at St Anthony's Roman Catholic Church, Farnham
Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL2 3AE, and thereafter to the
Slough Cemetry, Stoke Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL2 5AX.
There will be a get together after at Duffield House, Grays
Park Road, Stoke Poges, SL2 4HX [Source: Valentina De Souza
val.deso...@akzonobel.com ]

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Re: [Goanet] The Joy of the Journey

[Roland Francis]

Oops! I must have struck the gold "expert's" raw nerve by asking about the 
collapsing US economy, the global flight from the US Dollar and the rising gold 
prices. It won't be long before that that entity talks about the teetering 
Deutschland economy, the imminent downfall of Europe and asks us to buy gold 
again.

Serves me right for not heeding the sage's advice:
Anpad aur pagalon se kabhi gyaan ke baaton karna nahin, sirf daru ke...

Oh Mervyn, you fountain of youth (a few years short of the big sixty), why do 
you so fear getting old. Nothing need change for you, not even alcohol abuse. 
As the famous Goan general said to his Indian troops in 1971 when advancing 
victorious on Pakistan territory "bash on regardless".

Roland.


Mervyn wrote:
I have started to realise that Goanet is probably the best place to go to when 
you want to be entertained by old men who insist on turning errors into 
blunders. Whenever an error is pointed out, the usual response is to take it to 
a lower level. Instead of accepting the light, they seek the familiarity of 
muck. 

[Goanet] A VINDICTIVE GOVERNMENT

[Aires Rodrigues]

Filing a Public Interest litigation is no easy task. You have to be ready
to endure the backlash and tirade of those in power. This should however
never ever deter citizens from using this channel to highlight issues
of public concern and expose the illegalities.



In 2001 during his first stint as Chief Minister Mr. Manohar Parrikar with
Atmaram Nadkarni also as the Advocate General, the Dayanand Social Security
Scheme for Senior Citizens was introduced. Though it was a government
scheme, the forms were only available with the BJP MLA’s and Minister. A
Senior citizen from Chimbel moved the High Court seeking that forms be made
freely available at government offices. Through very high handed tactics
that Senior Citizen had to face harassment and the wrath of the
authorities. Fortunately the Court directed that forms had to be made
available at various government offices.



After over a decade, last year history repeated when Manohar Parrikar
introduced the Laadli Laxmi scheme. A Ribandar teenager petitioned the High
Court that forms were only being doled out by ruling party MLAs and their
henchmen. On the repressive harassment meted out to family of this girl for
having filed the petition less said the better. But thanks to the
intervention of the High Court forms were made available at various banks.



Vengeance and Retribution should never be on the agenda of any good leader.
But Manohar Parrikar has proven to use the police machinery to harass those
who dare stand up to him. And in this mission he has found a matching
brother in arms by way of Atmaram Nadkarni who is also India’s highest paid
Advocate General. A monster at the tax payer’s expense.They say that if you
cannot convince a Judge confuse him. And nobody does this better than our
Atmaram.



By the way aren’t the below words of Joseph Goebbels so apt with our State!

 “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time
as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or
military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the
State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the
mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest
enemy of the State.”


Aires Rodrigues
T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat
Ribandar - Goa - 403006
Mobile: 9822684372

[Goanet] Goa news for October 29, 2013

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Goa illegal mining case: FIR names former Chief Ministers
Kamat, Rane - The Hindu
egislative-assembly-session-begins-today/articleshow/23755904.cms?cfmid=1100">Goa
legislative assembly session begins today
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFKN-K-arika-4WIIXdIeolFnqySg&url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/goa-illegal-mining-case-fir-names-former-chief-ministers-kamat-rane/article5214922.ece

*** Briton held in Goa over record drugs bust - Telegraph.co.uk
eld-over-record-drugs-bust-in-Goa-resort/articleshow/24303418.cms">Briton
held over record drugs bust in Goa resort
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEFUQ2fUKb8zB5BMksg5Ahauj2NmA&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/10386445/Briton-held-in-Goa-over-record-drugs-bust.html

*** No mining within 1 km of national parks, sanctuaries in Goa
- The Hindu
tart iron ore excavation in a regulated fashion.
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEjlNpnV4BUDTllTEgySVsbmfEhqQ&url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/no-mining-within-1-km-of-national-parks-sanctuaries-in-goa/article5268824.ece

*** Goa tourism season begins - The New Indian Express
lus chartered flights from Moscow landed Sunday at the state's
only airport at Dabolim, 35 km from here. If one goes by Russian
consular and airport ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNENv7g0Ej-SYq32hpgSxs4yTkPgzw&url=http://newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/travel/Goa-tourism-season-begins/2013/10/14/article1835019.ece

*** Goa: British Man Held Over Record Drugs Haul - Sky News
y NewsA British man has been arrested in the holiday resort
state of Goa in what the Indian authorities have said is their
biggest ever drugs seizure. Gary Baird, 45, was arrested on
Wednesday accused of illegally possessing more than four kilos
of ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHRh8DhObUhQq2GAFQK73r2EjpNHA&url=http://news.sky.com/story/1155937

*** The West is not finding Goa attractive anymore: Francisco
Braganca - Times of India
BLi1M&ned=us">
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGmN_fMAPwSlYlTx6MCmLUFOagsyw&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/The-West-is-not-finding-Goa-attractive-anymore-Francisco-Braganca/articleshow/24059920.cms

*** Water sports take off in Goa - South China Morning Post
piritual chat you could handle. But things have changed and the
rise of similarly ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGa410xC8fnf1FyUdlMw_dmxeKqfA&url=http://www.scmp.com/magazines/48hrs/article/1319258/water-sports-take-goa

*** Israel to help Goa in agriculture, dairy farming - Times of
India
p with Israel's tourism university, harnessing the
Middle-Eastern country's expertise in dairy farming ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEliyPRDSH1FMAsTzpoOJ242L9SVA&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Israel-to-help-Goa-in-agriculture-dairy-farming/articleshow/24772293.cms

*** Exotic beaches, sunshine and culture: It's got to be Goa -
Express.co.uk
press.co.ukA MAN, easily into his 60s, sauntered down the beach,
with his dreadlocks bumping against his ankles. I squinted
against the setting sun to better see this reminder of the "Goa
Freaks", a subculture that emerged in the 1960s, when the
tangled jungles ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEDNZfXwNuDkiMGCMRlnG225qfZvA&url=http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/travel/437845/Exotic-beaches-sunshine-and-culture-It-s-got-to-be-Goa

*** Goa: Decennial exposition of St Francis Xavier to begin in
Nov - Oneindia
January 4, 2015. The relics are preserved at Basilica of Bom
Jesus, a Church situated 9 kms away ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNE5rDF71jXeTLs-EXcd4ROpPayr8w&url=http://news.oneindia.in/india/goa-decennial-exposition-of-st-francis-xavier-to-begin-in-november-1324366.html


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[Goanet] Goanet Reader: The Battle of the Konkanis: Separating Wolves from the Lambs (Fernandes, Menezes, roundtableindia.co.in)

[Goanet Reader]

The Battle of the Konkanis: Separating Wolves from the Lambs

Jason Keith Fernandes | Dale Luis Menezes

Context

  In 1987 subsequent to mass demonstrations composed
  overwhelmingly of bahujan Catholics, the
  legislature of the Union Territory of Goa, Daman
  and Diu recognised Konkani in the Nagari script as
  the official language of Goa.  This recognition of
  script was used to privilege a brahmanical project
  of fixing the identity of Konkani in the Nagari
  script alone, sidelining in this process the more
  vibrant and older tradition of writing Konkani in
  the Roman script, and its largely Catholic users.

Consequently, a movement for the official recognition of
Konkani in the Roman script emerged as a result of a
systematic campaign of suppression of cultural and literary
productions in the Roman script.  More recently, with the
Kala Academy,the premier state-supported cultural body
announcing awards for literature in the Roman script, it is
being maintained by some that the Roman script may in fact
destabilize the status-quo that favours the Nagari script
(and therefore brahmanical hegemony), leading to a number of
persons coming out seemingly making concessions to the Roman
script.  One such overture was made by Prabhakar Timble in
The Navhind Times, Goa.  Timble is a legal expert as well as
the former State Election Commissioner of Goa.

The recent statements of support in favour of the
continuation of awards reinstituted by the Kala Academy for
literary works in Roman script will possibly bring good cheer
for the votaries of this script. However, it is important
that these statements of support be examined for their logic,
rather than the superficial support they seem to offer. In
proposing this course of action, reference is particularly
being made to the opinion piece, "Promoting Konkani Language
Culture" by Prabhakar Timble in The Navhind Times dated 15
October, 2013.

http://www.navhindtimes.in/opinion/promoting-konkani-language-culture

While Timble seems to be supporting the recent decision of
the Kala Academy to offer literary works in the Roman script
to obtain awards, his real fear is that the status quo as
regards the place of Konkani in the Nagari script will be
upset if the demands of the Roman script activists is allowed
to go further.  This fear is clearly evident in his
statement: "The official language accepted in Goa is Konkani
in 'Devanagari' script.  This is a settled issue because of
the sacrifice and enlightened minds of the leaders of all
communities."

  Indeed, the core of the demand of the Roman script
  is not that literary works in the Roman script get
  awards, but rather that Konkani in the Roman script
  be given its legitimate place in the Official
  Language Act (OLA).  This demand has been made
  because even though this form of Konkani is an
  older version of Konkani, and continues a vibrant
  production of Konkani culture, it has been
  subjected to all kinds of abuse and suppression in
  the years since the OLA was enacted.  Further,
  while Konkani alone may be recognised as the
  official language of the state, the fact is that
  the operation of the Act continues to give official
  language status to Marathi.  This has resulted in
  Goa having two official languages, de facto.

The issue of the status of official language being awarded in
favour of Konkani in the Nagari script is, therefore, by no
means "settled". Indeed, contrary to Timble's suggestions,
there are very large numbers of members of the bahujan samaj
who refuse to acknowledge Nagari Konkani as a legitimate Goan
language because they see it as a ploy to ensure brahmanical
supremacy in Goa.

  Consequently, the lone Nagari Konkani newspaper
  that exists has one of the lowest figures of
  circulation, lower than Konkani newspapers in the
  Roman script, and many times lower than Marathi
  language newspapers.  These bahujan samaj activists
  would possibly accept Romi Konkani as an authentic
  language, but continue to refuse to accept the
  Nagri version.

It is in recognition of this reality of the operation of the
OLA, and to ensure that Konkani in the Roman script also
enjoys the status that these two other languages enjoy, that
the activists for the Roman script have been agitating right
from the days that the OLA came into effect.

Timble inserts a number of subtle arguments to ensure the
exclusive privilege that Nagari Konkani activists seek to
retain.  Indeed, it is around such arguments that the
votaries of both Marathi and Nagari Konkani have often ganged
up against the proponents of Konkani in the Roman script.

The first of these arguments is to suggest, as evidenced
above, that the decision in favour of Nagari alon

[Goanet] Language controversy

[Cyrus Sanches]

Have these guys lost it. This seems to be an outpouring of frustration and 
anger, tapping into the so called anti Bammon feeling. This article works very 
hard to create a divide in the Catholic community. Certain sections know the 
stalwarts and pillars of Konkani are in the south, what better way to crack 
this Konkani Bastion. 
To begin with there are no Hindu Bammons, they are Brahmin. Bammon is the term 
used for Catholic converts. The Brahmins do not consider Bammons as true 
Brahmins but accept them as less or lesser equal. This being a typical goan 
phenomenon. 
   Mahalsa Pai and Timoja Nayak wanted a hindu ruled state or a state aligned 
with a hindu King. Nowhere does it state that they or anybody else wished to 
turn Goa into a 'Bammon' state. 
   "During the Portuguese rule from 1510 to 1961,  Bamonns of Goa learnt the 
Portuguese language and benefited from the Portuguese rule for education,jobs 
and other areas of life. " the term Bammon again being a reference to 
Catholics. Such statements have always been spouted by those who are violently 
anti Catholic. This shows the mindset of the MRA.
"Romi Konknni and Marathi, were the two Indian languages which were popular 
in Goa as written languages and used for all spheres of life such as religious, 
spiritual, cultural, literature, educational, etc. " this is outright bull. 
Konknni has always been the language of Goa. Prior to the arrival of the 
portuguese the script used was Modi and Halekannada, this is possible as for 
most of its recorded history Goa was ruled by kings based in present day 
Karnataka, prior to this the Modi script was prevalent across Large parts of 
India. It was only because of the suppression of Konknni by the Portuguese that 
the script disappeared. There are ample proofs that the Portuguese torched 
stacks of Written knowledge these Tomes were written in Modi and Halekannada 
and no mention is made of Marathi. Only after this Konknni Holocaust, that 
Marathi was used in religious matters in Goa. If I am not mistaken the Modi 
script was far more widely used then Devnagiri.
"The first Marathi inscription written in 1236 is found on a copper plate at 
Kasarpal of Bicholim Taluka." Does this imply that the whole of Goa spoke 
Marathi? A cross was found in Sancoale which has been dated as Pre Portuguese, 
does this mean that the whole of Goa was Christian before the arrival of the 
Portuguese? 
"Portuguese missionaries were the first one to start the written tradition to 
Konknni in 1556. They used the Roman script to write and print Konknni. Since 
then, Romi Konknni developed as a written language. Till then Konknni was only 
a spoken language and it had no written tradition." On the one hand they 
destroy the written records then have so much love for Konknni that they start 
a whole new script? What was the need? The only reason being their plan of 
conquest. Change the very culture of the converts to pro Portuguese, they did 
this by
1) forcing all converts to change their surnames and live separately not in 
joint families.
2) forcing the converts to change their attire to a European fashion
3) banning hindu festivals so that catholic converts would not participate in 
the same
4) ensuring a different form of worship and different design of homes and 
churches
Last but not the least change their script to a European one. Obviously Konknni 
was a robust language and the Portuguese realised that to gain complete 
supremacy they had to Destroy the language. Why burn the books if they were not 
a threat. Konknni being a main uniting force between Hindu and Catholic was 
destroyed so as to further separate the people. Without doubt Konknni had its 
own script or scripts and was a dynamic and uniting Language.
 "All the known scholars and linguists have said that the inscription is in 
Marathi.  In Tanjavore temple in Tamil Nadu there are plenty of Marathi 
inscriptions in the Devanagari script." This only proves that there was a lot 
of trade during those days. Land measures till date in Goa are of sumerian 
origin. Does this mean that we were ruled by Sumer, or that the sumerian 
language was spoken widely in Goa? The Phoenicians, Arabs, Romans traded 
extensively in with Goa based merchants and there will be various inscriptions 
if one searches, but were their languages widely spoken. 
"In 1987 a Konknni dialect (Devanagari Konknni) of approximately 2% of 
Goans, namely the Bamonn community, was declared as the Official Language of 
Goa through their manipulative methods! " this again is misleading. The 2% 
refers to Hindu Saraswat Brahmins. As I mentioned earlier "Bammons" are not 
counted as brahmin and therefore counted as Cathloic not Brahmin.  I am 
in absolute awe, 2% manipulating 98%? These guys should be governing India. 
With such brilliance they will soon conquer the world. How did Mahalsa Pai and 
Timoja who belonged to the Saraswat community not see through Alphonse de 
Albuquerque? 

Re: [Goanet] Old-style measurements... paileo, kudov, khandi (bmviega...@yahoo.com)

[Goanet Reformat]

 Where is the picture of khandi ?

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk27/4746475517

[Goanet] Awaiting Goanet (tel...@qp.com.qa)

[Goanet Reformat]

Dear Sir,

Pls. continue sending me Goanet. I have not been receiving any of late.

Regards,

Leo Tellis
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Re: [Goanet] The Joy of the Journey

[Mervyn Lobo]

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 9:36:34 PM, Roland Francis wrote:
>"Tigers in Canada?" - Tim de Mello and Mervyn Lobo.
> Chinese laborers were indeed attacked by tigers, mountain lynx and 
> other big cats and wolves. Read J M Gibbon's Steel of Empire - A 
> Romantic History of the Canadian Pacific, Today's Northwest Passage.
> or The New West by G H Ham. By the way the Caspian variety were 
> found in several diverse climatic areas of the world, becoming extinct 
> only in in the last decade of the nineteenth century well after the Canadian 
> Pacific Railroad was built. How did they land in the Canadian Rockies 
> and Pacific? Probably with their main staple the wild boar which were 
> once plentiful in that region.



Folks,
Every Canadian knows that there have not been tigers living in the Canadian 
wilderness. Tim and I tried to close the gap in Roland's knowledge, pointing 
out that he had made an error. Roland, to my amazement chose to move deeper 
into the muck, insisting that tigers and specifically the "Caspian" variety 
were found in Canada. You know, Caspian/Canadian, sounds the same, and that is 
enough for Roland.  

I have started to realise that Goanet is probably the best place to go to when 
you want to be entertained by old men who insist on turning errors into 
blunders. Whenever an error is pointed out, the usual response is to take it to 
a lower level. Instead of accepting the light, they seek the familiarity of 
muck. 

As such, I had to read, re-read and read again Roland's contention of, "How did 
they land in the Canadian Rockies and Pacific? Probably with their main staple 
the wild boar which were once plentiful in that region" just to figure out if 
he was trying to be funny or if he was actually serious. I am convinced that he 
was trying to be funny. After all, the title of his post is, "The Joy of the 
Journey." 

Speaking of which, the public were enjoying train trips in Canada as early as 
1836 i.e. long before trains were introduced to India.  

Roland, you bring joy to our journey. You are the first Goan to declare that 
there were tigers in Canada. I look forward to even more of your bizarre 
statements and thoughts.  
 

Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] DOGS SHOW AT DONA PAULA CIRCLE

[floriano lobo]

Dear Stephen Dias,

You are a genuine Dick who believes in the rule of Law.
Yes. We badly need to shoot the dogs and rescue the pigs.
The dogs that I am talking about are  the two legged variety who are 
protected by politics in their high offices.
Hopefully some day some dog shooter will come by and shoot these two legged 
dogs to Kingdom Come.
If none should come by, with your NIO influence, just try to sneak me a AK47 
if you want to see much bad blood spilled on your DONA PAULA ROADS.


Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
floriano.l...@gmail.com
.
- Original Message - 
From: "Stephen Dias" 

To: "Amitabh Dasgupta" 
Cc: "The Editor Gomantak Times" 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: [Goanet] DOGS SHOW AT DONA PAULA CIRCLE


To,

The Editor
Mr Amitabh Dasgupta
Gomantak Times
Panjim



Kindly publish this letter in the letters to the Editor column.
Kind regards,

Stephen Dias
D.Paula
Mob: 9422443110
Date: 28.10.2013



DOGS  SHOW  AROUND  NIO  DONA PAULA  CIRCLE
 By  Stephen Dias, D.Paula

On 27th October, 2013 near NIO D.Paula circle closer to my residence I
have seen 40 to 45 stray dogs chasing a huge pregnant pig which had
delivered about 35 piglings in her last pregnancy which could not
counter attack and was killed by the pack of stray dogs. I felt pity
of this pregnant pig that was killed by these dogs on her late
pregnancy weeks. Again on next day, 28th October, 2013 an another
incident took place in the morning a number of dogs chased yet another
about a dozen piglings and killed many of them in a adjacent locality
of the earlier vacant plot.

I have reported earlier on 16th October, 2013; two huge monkeys were
chased by a hound of stray dogs on D.Paula – Miramar road very close
to the Sharada Mandir School as they took shelter on Foot Bridge at
Miramar for their safety. Even monkeys knew that this bridge was
vacant and probably they decided to take the shelter.

The residents and the tourists are aware of this dog show everyday
near D.Paula NIO circle as they take the plastic garbage bags
containing food waste from the unprotected two dustbins which is
partially broken and kept by Municipality and Taleigao Panchayat.
These stray dogs therefore take this advantage and spread the garbage
all over the places and also on the main road which goes to Bambolim.

I called up, our Mayor Surendra Furtado who also resides at D.Paula
and informed the 27th Oct, incident of the pig killed by these dogs
and asked for a favour to carry the dead body by the Municipality
workers. Since this happened on Sunday he was helpless and suggested
that I should dig a pit and bury this dead animal.

It appears to me that D.Paula is going to dogs and the CCP as well as
Taleigao Panchayat should have come to our rescue and gets rid of dogs
menace as their population is on the rise. I suggest that Govt of Goa
also to take immediate action to get rid of Monkey and Dog business.

These dogs even threaten the pedestrian, scooterists and passer-by and
hence it is imperative that the Govt. instruct the CCP and the Animal
Welfare Centre to take care of these female dogs which are not
vaccinated as their production goes on increasing.

The residents are therefore put into inconvenience.



STEPHEN DIAS,
RESIDENT FROM D.PAULA = MOB: 9422443110 

[Goanet] Interview with Enclidas de Elly

[walter menezes]

To,
The Moderator,
Goanet.
 
Sir,
 
Dalgado Konknni Akademi is
organizing Borovpeak Bhett ( Meet the Writer ) Programme on Wednesday,
30th October 2013 at TAG Hall, Campal, Panaji, Goa
at 4.30 pm.
 
The personality for the Borovpeak
Bhett is Enclidas de Elly, publisher and editor of Cine Times, a
Konkani weekly published from Mumbai.
 
In this regard, please find my
article EDITOR ELLY which first appeared on Gomantak Times, Goa
dated 4th November 2009 for your kind consideration on Goa Book Club.
 
walter menezes
 
 
EDITOR ELLY
 
He was born in Bombay
(now Mumbai), the fourth child in a family of seven. His mother always filled
his heart with abundant love, especially of Goa,
his homeland, and Konknni, the language of his forefathers. After his studies
in Delhi, he returned back to Bombay and spent 32 long and fruitful years
in the cause of the mother-tongue his mother taught him.
 
WALTER MENEZEScatches up with Enclidas de Elly, former
editor of Cine Timesand recipient of awards and recognitions
from Goan Review Art Foundation and Dalgado Konknni Akademi at his Ambaulim
residence in Quepem, where he is busy giving the final touches to his latest
offering, ‘Otmo Porot Zolmant Eta?’,  a
researched Konknni book on reincarnation.  
 
The slightest sound at the
compound gate of his modest residence off Ambaulim-Cuncolim road was enough to 
provoke
his ‘dog-squad’ into loud bursts of frenzied howling. Enclidas de Elly’s
weekly, like so many others, may have been a ‘watchdog’ once upon a time but
here, the fearsome-threesome ruled the roost.
 
‘They mean no harm,’ he explained
amidst the din. ‘But they take their time before they can be friends,’ he said,
leading me to his sitting-room through the back-door and the kitchen.
 
This was only my second visit but
once seated, the 1942-born boroinnar (writer) of nearly 250 Konknni 
short-stories in the Roman script spoke for more
than an hour about his life, his times and Cine
Times.
 
The Early Days
 
We were a big family then settled
in Marine Lines. Hanv chovtho (I was
the fourth)… amongst four brothers and three sisters. My father was a seafarer
but it was my mother who realized the need to keep her children ‘bonded’ to our
homeland through Konknni, our mother-tongue.
 
Every time the postman arrived
with a letter from my father mailed from some distant port, mother would
assemble us children and loudly read the contents to us. All letters were
always in Konknni. Later, I began reading the letters and then, even took to
replying as well. I think by the time I was seven, I was fairly good in reading
and writing Konknni in the Roman script.
 
In Father’s Shoes  
 
My father expired when I was only
eleven and life suddenly became miserable and difficult. But my mother was a
brave woman. Tinnem amkam voir kaddlim (She brought us up). Bombay
in those days was different and the city offered enough avenues to earn one’s
daily bread. Elliott de Elly, my elder brother, was at that time working for
the All India Radio in Delhi as Konknni newsreader and he felt it was his
responsibility now to give me ‘a proper education’. In 1956, I left Bombay for 
Delhi and stayed
with my brother in Western Extension Area, Karol Bagh, where I completed my SSC
through DelhiPublicCollege
and BSc through TB (Tej Bahadur) College. I also did a one-year course in 
Printing
Technology while I was there.
 
The Fever of Freedom
 
Those were wonderful years in Delhi. The struggle for Goa’s freedom was gaining 
momentum. Manoharai Sardesai,
Chandrakant Keni, Evagrio George and Alfred Braganza…they used to be in Delhi 
and were frequently
on AIR with Goa-related programmes. My brother had an intimate relationship
with them. The fever of freedom had consumed them all. My brother was
transferred back to Bombay, once Goa was liberated in 1961.
 
Gõychea Saibachea Porbe Disa…
 
This may come as a surprise but I
began my career as a printer-cum-compositor, first with Goa Times and later 
with Ave
Maria. Unlike present-day machines, working on a cylinder machine was quite
a tough job and although my spell in both these Konknni periodicals was brief
(nine months), the experience and knowledge gained was enough to land me in
Thakurdwar’s Rohit Printers where I immensely improved my Hindi, Marathi and
Gujarati.
 
Although Goa was liberated, we in Bombay were getting stories of a sinister 
design
to make Goa a part of Maharashtra. We decided
it was time to stand up. Our younger generation was moving away from Konknni,
our mother-tongue. It was important that we renewed that bond again if we had
to ward off the threat.
 
There was this sick unit, Rex
Printing Press, in Chandanwadi. We brought it on rental basis and on December
3, 1963, Gõychea Saibachea porbe disa (on the feast day of St. Francis Xavier), 
we launched Cine Times, a 12-page demi-size Konknni weekly in the Roman script,
priced at an unbelievable ten paise! 
 
The Pages of Cine Times
 
We aimed to give quality and
variety to our readers. Those

Re: [Goanet] Global Goa: India's Window to the Lusosphere (Times of India)

[Mervyn Lobo]

 vmingoa wrote:

 
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-10-26/goa/43414855_1_indian-union-independent-india-goan-soil
> 
> Global Goa: India's window to the Lusosphere
> 
> Vivek Menezes, TNN Oct 26, 2013, 06.31AM IST
> 
> PANAJI: Now well into the 21's century, Goa is the only part of
> country still denied a post-colonial future, and so India continues to
> squander an ever-growing opportunity.

-
 

I like this article. 
It is well thought, well written and has interesting points.
Congrats, VM.
 
Mervyn 

[Goanet] FW: NYT Edit on Modi

[Alfred de Tavares]

What a future looming over India

Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:20:44 +0530
Subject: Fwd: NYT Edit on Modi
From: devikaseque...@gmail.com
To: carol.frie...@gmail.com; elisabeth_...@yahoo.com; manohar@gmail.com; 
wendellrodri...@gmail.com; alfredtava...@hotmail.com; tablic.vel...@gmail.com


New York Times

EDITORIAL
Narendra Modi’s Rise in India
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD


Published: October 26, 2013



In 2002, rioters in the western Indian state of Gujarat savagely killed nearly 
1,000 people, most of whom were part of the Muslim minority. Now, barely a 
decade later, Narendra Modi, who was the chief minister of Gujarat at the time 
and still holds the office, is aleading candidate to become prime minister of 
India.

Mr. Modi, a star of India’s main opposition party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, 
would become prime minister if the party won enough seats in parliamentary 
elections next summer with support from its political allies. His rise to power 
is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country’s 138 million 
Muslims and its many other minorities. They worry he would exacerbate sectarian 
tensions that have subsided somewhat in the last decade.

Supporters of Mr. Modi argue that an investigation commissioned by India’s 
Supreme Court cleared him of wrongdoing in the riots. And they insist that Mr. 
Modi, who is widely admired by middle-class Indians for making Gujarat one of 
India’s fastest-growing states, can revive the economy, which has been weakened 
by a decade of mismanagement by the coalition government headed by the Indian 
National Congress Party.

There is no question that the Congress Party has failed to capitalize on the 
economic growth of recent years to invest in infrastructure, education and 
public institutions like the judiciary. And instead of trying to revive itself 
with new ideas and leaders, it is likely to beled in the coming election by 
Rahul Gandhi, the inexperienced scion of the Nehru-Gandhi family.

But Mr. Modi’s strident Hindu nationalism has fueled public outrage. When 
Reuters asked him earlier this year if he regretted the killings in 2002, he 
said, if “someone else is driving a car and we’re sitting behind, even then if 
a puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful or not? Of course it is.” 
That incendiary response created a political uproar and demands for an apology.

Mr. Modi has shown no ability to work with opposition parties or tolerate 
dissent. And he has already alienated political partners; this summer, an 
important regional party broke off its 17-year alliance with the B.J.P. because 
it found Mr. Modi unacceptable.

His economic record in Gujarat is not entirely admirable, either. Muslims in 
Gujarat, for instance, are much more likely to be poor than Muslims in India as 
a whole, even though the state has a lower poverty rate than the country.

India is a country with multiple religions, more than a dozen major languages 
and numerous ethnic groups and tribes. Mr. Modi cannot hope to lead it 
effectively if he inspires fear and antipathy among many of its people.




  

[Goanet] NYT Editorial on Narendra Modi - COMMENTS

[floriano lobo]

NYT Editorial on Narendra Modi - COMMENTS
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/news/3229.asp




PPS: PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SANITY
PS:   If the people refuse to become politically 'SANE', politics will 
remain dirty + more.


ONLY DABOLIM -  NAVY GET OUT
WITH MOPA - SPECIAL STATUS FOR  GOA  IS ONLY A SHOUT

VIVA GOA - VIVA GOEMKARS
Amchem Goem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHvEkxLCmc 

[Goanet] DOGS SHOW AT DONA PAULA CIRCLE

[Stephen Dias]

To,

The Editor
Mr Amitabh Dasgupta
Gomantak Times
Panjim



Kindly publish this letter in the letters to the Editor column.
Kind regards,

Stephen Dias
D.Paula
Mob: 9422443110
Date: 28.10.2013



 DOGS  SHOW  AROUND  NIO  DONA PAULA  CIRCLE
  By  Stephen Dias, D.Paula

On 27th October, 2013 near NIO D.Paula circle closer to my residence I
have seen 40 to 45 stray dogs chasing a huge pregnant pig which had
delivered about 35 piglings in her last pregnancy which could not
counter attack and was killed by the pack of stray dogs. I felt pity
of this pregnant pig that was killed by these dogs on her late
pregnancy weeks. Again on next day, 28th October, 2013 an another
incident took place in the morning a number of dogs chased yet another
about a dozen piglings and killed many of them in a adjacent locality
of the earlier vacant plot.

I have reported earlier on 16th October, 2013; two huge monkeys were
chased by a hound of stray dogs on D.Paula – Miramar road very close
to the Sharada Mandir School as they took shelter on Foot Bridge at
Miramar for their safety. Even monkeys knew that this bridge was
vacant and probably they decided to take the shelter.

The residents and the tourists are aware of this dog show everyday
near D.Paula NIO circle as they take the plastic garbage bags
containing food waste from the unprotected two dustbins which is
partially broken and kept by Municipality and Taleigao Panchayat.
These stray dogs therefore take this advantage and spread the garbage
all over the places and also on the main road which goes to Bambolim.

I called up, our Mayor Surendra Furtado who also resides at D.Paula
and informed the 27th Oct, incident of the pig killed by these dogs
and asked for a favour to carry the dead body by the Municipality
workers. Since this happened on Sunday he was helpless and suggested
that I should dig a pit and bury this dead animal.

It appears to me that D.Paula is going to dogs and the CCP as well as
Taleigao Panchayat should have come to our rescue and gets rid of dogs
menace as their population is on the rise. I suggest that Govt of Goa
also to take immediate action to get rid of Monkey and Dog business.

These dogs even threaten the pedestrian, scooterists and passer-by and
hence it is imperative that the Govt. instruct the CCP and the Animal
Welfare Centre to take care of these female dogs which are not
vaccinated as their production goes on increasing.

The residents are therefore put into inconvenience.



STEPHEN DIAS,
 RESIDENT FROM D.PAULA = MOB: 9422443110

[Goanet] Gram Sabha in Moira on 10 November 2012

[augusto pinto]

There is a Gram Sabha in Moira on 10 November 2012. In the agenda are
various development proposals, rent of shops in the Panchayat building,
etc. The meeting is scheduled for 10 am but if there is no quorum at that
hour it will be adjourned for an hour. So effectively it will start at 11
am, I guess.
Augusto

-- 


Augusto Pinto
40, Novo Portugal
Moira, Bardez
Goa, India
E pinto...@gmail.com
P 0832-2470336
M 9881126350

[Goanet] Goa news for October 28, 2013

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Goa illegal mining case: FIR names former Chief Ministers
Kamat, Rane - The Hindu
kgtUz1yz-04HxdmUji9tA
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFKN-K-arika-4WIIXdIeolFnqySg&url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/goa-illegal-mining-case-fir-names-former-chief-ministers-kamat-rane/article5214922.ece

*** To file RTI in Goa, first prove you are Indian - NDTV
cyBepqw
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGluCh6iMsdiWAPX8SPPDlrfoV_6Q&url=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/to-file-rti-in-goa-first-prove-you-are-indian-432945

*** Briton held in Goa over record drugs bust - Telegraph.co.uk
eld-over-record-drugs-bust-in-Goa-resort/articleshow/24303418.cms">Briton
held over record drugs bust in Goa resort
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEFUQ2fUKb8zB5BMksg5Ahauj2NmA&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/10386445/Briton-held-in-Goa-over-record-drugs-bust.html

*** Goa tourism season begins - The New Indian Express
lus chartered flights from Moscow landed Sunday at the state's
only airport at Dabolim, 35 km from here. If one goes by Russian
consular and airport ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNENv7g0Ej-SYq32hpgSxs4yTkPgzw&url=http://newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/travel/Goa-tourism-season-begins/2013/10/14/article1835019.ece

*** Goa: British Man Held Over Record Drugs Haul - Sky News
y NewsA British man has been arrested in the holiday resort
state of Goa in what the Indian authorities have said is their
biggest ever drugs seizure. Gary Baird, 45, was arrested on
Wednesday accused of illegally possessing more than four kilos
of ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHRh8DhObUhQq2GAFQK73r2EjpNHA&url=http://news.sky.com/story/1155937

*** Briton arrested in Goa for 'brokering' £20 deal for
party drug - Metro
troA British tourist has been arrested for possessing more than
£200,000 of amphetamines in the biggest ever drug seizure in an
Indian state. Gary Baird is accused of possessing more than 4kg
(8.8lb) of the drug after he was apprehended while
allegedly ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHLkke8s0ICoKlonwt6zzYgUq02HA&url=http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/17/briton-arrested-in-goa-for-brokering-20-deal-for-party-drug-4150991/

*** Water sports take off in Goa - South China Morning Post
piritual chat you could handle. But things have changed and the
rise of similarly ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGa410xC8fnf1FyUdlMw_dmxeKqfA&url=http://www.scmp.com/magazines/48hrs/article/1319258/water-sports-take-goa

*** No mining within 1 km of national parks, sanctuaries in Goa
- The Hindu
tart iron ore excavation in a regulated fashion.http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEjlNpnV4BUDTllTEgySVsbmfEhqQ&url=http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/no-mining-within-1-km-of-national-parks-sanctuaries-in-goa/article5268824.ece

*** Exotic beaches, sunshine and culture: It's got to be Goa -
Express.co.uk
press.co.ukA MAN, easily into his 60s, sauntered down the beach,
with his dreadlocks bumping against his ankles. I squinted
against the setting sun to better see this reminder of the "Goa
Freaks", a subculture that emerged in the 1960s, when the
tangled jungles ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEDNZfXwNuDkiMGCMRlnG225qfZvA&url=http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/travel/437845/Exotic-beaches-sunshine-and-culture-It-s-got-to-be-Goa

*** Goa: Decennial exposition of St Francis Xavier to begin in
Nov - Oneindia
January 4, 2015. The relics are preserved at Basilica of Bom
Jesus, a Church situated 9 kms away ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNE5rDF71jXeTLs-EXcd4ROpPayr8w&url=http://news.oneindia.in/india/goa-decennial-exposition-of-st-francis-xavier-to-begin-in-november-1324366.html


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] Forum backs sports quota in educational institutes and jobs

[Sandeep Heble]

Forum backs sports quota in educational institutes and jobs

In its recommendations to the State government seeking revision of
Sports Policy Goa-2009, which was implemented to encourage young
children to pursue sports alongside academics, the Goa RTI Forum’s
Sports section on Saturday suggested that a percentage of seats in
educational institutes and Government jobs must be reserved for
sportspersons.

It has also suggested that participation in sports merely for the sake
of availing sports participation marks must be discouraged.

Sandeep Heble, co-ordinator (Sports), Goa RTI Forum told The Hindu on
Saturday that they felt the need to suggest these inputs because
though the Policy was meant to encourage young athletes to achieve
sporting excellence through various incentives, in reality, due to
various anomalies in it and reluctance on the part of the Goa State
Board of Secondary and Higher Secondary Education (GSBSHE) to wholly
back the same, the desired results were far from achieved.

The Policy is currently under review, following a proposal made by the
GSBSHE to implement a cumulative marks system, whereby marks are to be
allotted at every stage of the competition.

“The final marks allotted to a student shall be the sum total s/he has
been awarded at every level, as per a note prepared by GSBSHE chairman
J.R. Rebello,” said Mr. Heble. The Goa Olympic Association, which met
its member associations recently, also endorsed a similar pattern on
awarding cumulative sports merit marks.

The Goa RTI Forum discussed all these issues at its General Body
meeting held on Saturday and there was a unanimous view that a proper
scientific approach must be adopted by the government in awarding
sports merit marks to achieve the desired result. The Forum, following
inputs provided by Arjuna Awardee footballer Brahmanand Shakwalker and
Mr. Heble, unanimously made several recommendations on the Sports
Policy, copies of which have been forwarded to Chief Minister Manohar
Parrikar, Minister for Sports Ramesh Tawadkar and all concerned
bureaucrats.

The Forum in its memorandum stated that “the National Physical Fitness
programme and training modules of the Army and paramilitary forces,
may be used as a guideline while re-designing the policy”. Apart from
physical fitness, the memorandum demanded that students must be given
“psychological and mental training to build their motivation, focus,
commitment, mental toughness, for enhancing their performance and
turning them into potential winners”.


A scientific approach must be adopted by the government in awarding
sports merit marks

Source:
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/forum-backs-sports-quota-in-educational-institutes-and-jobs/article5280099.ece

[Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] The Smile

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'The Smile'

Vilasini Ravul was working the paddy field in the village of Talarna in north
Goa when I asked her to pose for a portrait. These are rural folk, not
accustomed to having a lens pointed at them, and she was understandably shy and
nervous at the same time. I tried to make some [...]

You may view the latest post at
http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2013/10/28/the-smile-2/

Best regards,
Rajan P. Parrikar
parri...@yahoo.com

[Goanet] Camoens de Goa (by Landeg White)

[vmingoa]

http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=11836&boxid=144058421&uid=&dat=10%2f26%2f2013



Camoens de Goa
by Landeg White


The picture used as the cover of my Collected Lyric Poems of Luís de
Camões (Princeton University Press, 2008) was discovered as recently
as 1972. It shows him jailed in Goa, raggedly dressed, sitting at a
wooden table, and holding out a dinner plate with perhaps a coin,
perhaps a stone in his left hand. To his right is a manuscript, headed
Canto 10, evidently the final canto of his epic poem The Lusíads,
along with two quill pens. Covering the bed or chair to his left is a
map of Goa, with two Portuguese warships under full sail. Behind him
is a bookshelf with four volumes of João de Barros’s As Décadas da
Ásia (1552), a key source of The Lusíads. On the bars of the window
are perched two birds, perhaps related to the bird celebrated in the
sonnet Quem fosse acompanhando juntamente:

Whoever was shut away from people,

she, as a comrade and a neighbour

should help me sigh away this nightmare

I with her in the sorrow both feel.

In the distance are the masts of two ships and, in the top left
corner, an image of the prison as seen from outside, with a palm tree
and three Indian guards.

The choice of colours and the style suggest the portrait may have been
painted by a cartographer, two of whom, Fernão Vaz Dourado and Lázaro
Luís, are known to have been living in Goa at the time. Visible top
left under infra-red photography, is the date 1556. This date is a
puzzle. Camões was imprisoned twice after his return from Macau in
1558, first on a charge of embezzlement and afterwards for being
unable to pay his debts. Nothing is known of any previous
incarceration in Goa, and there is no other evidence that he had
reached Canto 10 of The Lusíads so early. Nevertheless, this seems to
be an authentic contemporary image of the poet at a desperate moment,
all the more precious for its intimacy and warmth. Empire is present
in those maps and warships, an inevitable part of Camões’s background.
But this is no imperious figure, no Viceroy or colonial oppressor. It
is not even Parnassian. It seems much closer to the self-portrait in
the sonnet Julge-me a gente toda por perdido:

But I who have criss-crossed the globe

being, as it were, doubly cognizant,

remain at bottom a deluded peasant

whom my sufferings have not ennobled.

Camões arrived in Goa in November 1553 on the São Bento, the only ship
to survive the outward voyage that year, and he came as a convict. The
previous year during Lisbon’s Corpus Christi procession, he had
brawled with Gonçalo Borges, keeper of the king’s harness, and been
sentenced to serve three years in India as a common soldier. It wasn’t
the first time this had happened to him. In 1547, for an unknown
offence, possibly his pursuit of an heiress, he’d been despatched to
the Portuguese garrison at Ceuta in Morocco, where he lost an eye in
combat with Berbers. Reaching Goa, he was forced again to “pursue
dreadful Mars”, fighting in Chembe and the Persian Gulf, among other
engagements. Completing his sentence in 1550, he was appointed to the
post of “Trustee for the Property of the Deceased and Absent in
Macau”, which the Portuguese had captured two years earlier. It was
this that led to his imprisonment in 1558 on a charge of
misappropriating money. We cannot be sure what wrong, but Camões was
careless even with his manuscripts and perhaps the charges arose from
the haphazard nature of his bookkeeping.

Given that most of the meagre records of Camões’s life refer to
periods when he was in desperate trouble, the absence of records for
the next nine years is probably a good sign. He didn’t like colonial
society, describing Goa as “the mother of evil villains and wicked
step-mother of honest men.” Yet this cannot be the whole story. Goa
was no backwater and, though Camões never again held any colonial
office, his reputation as a poet won him the friendship of some of the
distinguished men of his time, including the historian Diogo de Couto,
and the botanist Garcia de Orta, whose Colóquio dos Simples e Drogas
da India (Goa, 1563) contained, by way of dedication, Camões’s first
published poem. Orta, who was relentlessly pursued by the Inquisition,
is commemorated to this day by a beautifully-kept garden in Panaji.

It’s evident Camões did not travel for travel’s sake. By modern
standards, he didn’t make the most of his opportunities. He didn’t
anticipate the British judge Sir William Jones in founding the Asiatic
Society of Bengal and revolutionising language studies by proposing
Sanskrit as a source for both Greek and Latin. He didn’t attach
himself to a guru, or learn to play the sitar, or follow the hippy
trail and smoke pot in Katmandu, or any of the things the European
visitor is supposed to do in India. He experienced Africa, India and
the far East as a long and bitter exile. Yet he was the first major
European poet to cross the equator and experience Africa and India

[Goanet] Global Goa: India's Window to the Lusosphere (Times of India)

[vmingoa]

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-10-26/goa/43414855_1_indian-union-independent-india-goan-soil

Global Goa: India's window to the Lusosphere

Vivek Menezes, TNN Oct 26, 2013, 06.31AM IST

PANAJI: Now well into the 21's century, Goa is the only part of
country still denied a post-colonial future, and so India continues to
squander an ever-growing opportunity.

This is particularly bizarre, because the rest of the country has long
since gotten over its hostility to its former colonizers.

In a famous speech at Oxford in 2005, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh
seemed to go as far as forgiving the British, while glossing over
centuries of atrocities as simply inevitable when "an age-old
civilization met the dominant Empire of the day". Relations between
the UK and India could not be better today, and nobody resents it as
an unending stream of Punjabis decamp the pind for Southall.

Similarly, in the tiny enclave of Pondicherry, formerly the capital of
French India, the locals benefitted from a carefully managed accession
plan signed by both France and India in 1948. Today, the territory
proudly celebrates and proclaims its French connection in every way it
can-it's the centerpiece of its tourism agenda. Again no one resents
the large proportion of citizens who hold European nationality, and
fly back and forth to Paris whenever they feel like it.

So Goa is an anomaly in India, because hostility still flashes even
more than 50 years after the last Portuguese troops were
unceremoniously booted from Indian soil.

In this state, you could be led to believe colonialism is still a
threat. Here, street signs in heritage areas will be smashed because
they remind a rabid fringe of the distant past, a well-meaning
foundation devoted to preservation can be ritually denounced for
trying to glorify colonialism, and the arrival of a ship to
commemorate the 500th anniversary of the historic voyage of Vasco da
Gama was picketed as though the old man had been resurrected to attack
the coastline all over again.

It is a uniquely perverse state of affairs, a hangover from colonial
times that never ever seems to go away.

Part of the reason for the sustained oddity is the shabby, awful way
the 451-year-old Estado da India was finally extinguished. If Goa had
been able to manage its own accession to India soon after 1947-like
Pondicherry, or some of the North East states-there is no doubt
everything would have been different.

After all, so many sons and daughters of Goan soil from Dharmanand
Kosambi to Frank Moraes to literally uncountable numbers of doctors,
educators, artists and common citizens, had already contributed
mightily and far disproportionally to the making of Independent India.

There was huge goodwill towards Goa and the Goans from Gandhi, Nehru
and the other founding fathers of the country. Unquestionably, a
negotiated settlement for Goa to join the Indian Union would have been
as fair and beneficial as the one still enjoyed by Pondicherry, and,
crucially, elements of a special status would have been certain to
have been included.

But that was just not possible under Salazar, with his truly insane
diktat that 'aqui e Portugal' (this is Portugal) still parroted long
after Portuguese internal reports warned that public opinion in the
state was lost, and that most citizens aspired to merger with India.
The madman held on to the bitter end, and was still humiliated. But
the biggest losers in the ugly denouement were actually the Goans.

The tiny territory joined the rest of India under the worst possible
circumstances-military conquest and occupation, followed by
annexation. No understanding offered, no concessions made, no
negotiation possible. Though the military action that squashed
Portuguese resistance was mercifully brief, unmistakable hostility
from Delhi continued unabated for decades.

Goans were forced to watch aghast, as their highly evolved,
confluential identity was treated with suspicion. Their singular,
exquisitely syncretic culture-whether architecture, music or food-was
dismissed as mere aping of the West. Delhiwallahs speaking English
criticized Goan grandmothers for speaking Portuguese!

But now there is finally an opening. The state government wisely
pursued the Lusofonia Games, which will rekindle connections that can
be of great benefit to Goa and the rest of India into the 21'st
century. The Semana de Cultura that is underway from this week is
another excellent initiative that will help to revive Goa's profound
ties to Macau (thus China), to booming Brazil, and resource-rich
Angola and Mozambique.

Tamil Nadu derives terrific benefits from its centuries-old ties to
Singapore, Thailand, and the rest of the far east. No one denounces an
ethnic Tamil for being a foreigner. Gujarat reaps reward in the other
direction-its diaspora in Africa, the USA and UK is always favoured
over other Indian communities when it comes to business. All this has
to happen with Goa too-every year the same o

[Goanet] News about “India and the Lusophone Market” International Congress, January 14 and 15, 2014 – Goa, India

[LSG]

*Texto em português mais em baixo*

* *

Dear reader

* *

We present here the news that the Lusophone Society of Goa (LSG) has chosen
for you.



Kind regards

Lusophone Society of Goa (LSG) - Sociedade Lusófona de Goa
i...@lusophonegoa.org
www.lusophonegoa.org



*“India and the Lusophone Market” International Congress, January 14 and
15, 2014 – Goa, India
*The preparations of the Congress are in full swing, with the growing
support of Sponsors. The program is being already outlined and there are
confirmations of very relevant speakers. See the outline of the Congress
that is updated continuously. More
here

* *

*Brazil’s state-run oil company Petrobras and an Indian partner have
discovered an oil exploration block
*The find of Petrobras and IBV Brasil in SEAL 11 off  Brazil’s northeast
coast, Sergipe-Alagoas basin could be the biggest oil discovery of the
year. IBV Brasil is a joint venture between India’s Bharat Petroleum
Corporation and Videocon Industries. More
here



*Portuguese Francisco Neto will coach the Goan Football Team
*Portuguese Francisco Neto is expected to be the official coach of the Goan
Football Team during the Lusofonia Games in Goa from January 18-29, 2014.
More 
here



*In the section "News in Brief" of our site please read:*

* *

- Fifth edition of the Semana da Cultura Indo Portuguesa (Goa)

- Goa and Macau big bet for Indian gamblers
- Lusophone colonialisms and post-colonialisms, International Congress




Estimado leitor



apresentamos hoje aqui as notícias que a Sociedade Lusófona de Goa (LSG)
escolheu para a si.



Cordialmente

Lusophone Society of Goa (LSG) - Sociedade Lusófona de Goa
i...@lusophonegoa.org
http://lusophonegoa.org/pt/



*“Índia e o Mercado Lusófono” Congresso Internacional, 14 e 15 de Janeiro
de 2014, Goa, Índia
*Os preparativos do Congresso continuam com o apoio crescente de
Patrocinadores. O programa está a ser já esboçado e há a confirmação de
oradores de relevo. Veja o esboço do Congresso que é actualizado
continuamente.Leia mais
aqui



*A petrolífera estatal brasileira Petrobras e o parceiro indiano IBV Brasil
descobriram um bloco de exploração de petróleo
*A descoberta da Petrobras e IBV Brasil em SEAL 11 ao largo da costa
nordeste do Brasil, pode ser a maior descoberta de petróleo do ano. IBV
Brasil é uma joint venture entre a indiana Bharat Petroleum Corporation e a
Videocon Industries. Leia mais
aqui



*Francisco Neto, treinador português, vai orientar seleção de futebol de
Goa nos Jogos da Lusofonia em Goa
*Francisco Neto vai orientar a seleção de futebol de Goa nos Jogos da
Lusofonia em Goa, que se disputam de 18 a 29 de janeiro de 2014. Neto vai
acumular esse cargo com as funções de coordenador da Associação de Futebol
(AF) de Viseu, Portugal. Leia mais
aqui



*Na secção "Breves" do nosso site leia ainda:*

* *

- Quinta edição da Semana da Cultura Indo Portuguesa (Goa)
- Goa e Macau uma grande aposta para os jogadores indianos
- Colonialismos e pós-colonialismos lusófonos - Congresso Internacional


i...@lusophonegoa.org
www.lusophonegoa.org

*“India and the Lusophone Market”
*
*
International Congress
January 14 and 15, 2014 – Goa, India
*

[Goanet] 28th October to 2nd November is Vigilance Awareness Week

[Goa Desc]

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family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help CONSUMERS to be better informed about
the impact of SOCIAL ISSUES on their lives.
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28th October to 2nd November is Vigilance Awareness Week
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 2013 Theme: Promoting Good Governance - Positive contribution of Vigilance

  http://www.goavigilance.nic.in/
http://cvc.nic.in/
http://www.cvc.nic.in/vigaware_2013.pdf
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[Goanet] Fwd: Song for the day…..

[Gabe Menezes]

Gipsy Kings
-
Bamboleo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCq3CMbqYNo

g



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Some City News in pics

[JoeGoaUk]

Bus stops away from bus stop
D B Road, near Bal Bhavan,
opp Campal grounds
New rule eff. Aug 2013
'Private buses if caught making unscheduled stops within city limits will be 
charged a fine 
of up to 2,000' 
But Police take no action, when asked, they say 'no enough manpower'
Actually their answer should have been ' No action because we take hafta from 
them'
Panjim is the Capital City of Goa and constituency of Chief Minister Monohar 
Parrikar
'Only the wearer knows where his shoe bite', I mean, those travelling in their 
cars won't know 
bus travellers woes, 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10524650906/in/photostream/


Moon and the planet
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416506234/in/photostream


City side walk
Along the Promenade
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416542455/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416676333/in/photostream/


Blue during night – Amonkar’s 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416542956/in/photostream/

City Sunset
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416547605/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416549785/in/photostream/


River Casino view during low tide
Migrants sitting on the fence
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416691493/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10416695243/in/photostream/

Congestion on the board
4 languages, 2 scripts
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10492496054/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10492478285/in/photostream/


KTC bus Stand work in progress
Status as on 27.10.13
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10524867653/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10524884503/in/photostream/

This Mango pic taken yesterday
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10524700374/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10524896973/in/photostream/

Green leaves, green flowers?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10525108495/in/photostream/


MP Sripad Naik Birthay Celebration - preparations
(Took place last week)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/10333546403/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk73/1071924/in/photostream/
This is also Panjim but not so good..I mean neglected Panjim

Broken benches – day time pic
Vendalism
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492437833/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492247865/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492461013/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492475093/in/photostream/


Fish zone – Promenade
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492306574/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492311864/in/photostream/


This is famous SUSU zone
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492294975/in/photostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukdirtypanjim9/10492505963/in/photostream/


joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] [JudeSundayReflections] 31st Sunday of the Year in Ordinary Time

[Jude Botelho]

26-Oct-2013

Dear Friend,

There are some things we desire so much in life that we are ready to take a 
risk and sometimes pay any price to acquire what we desire. Sometimes these 
things might appear insignificant to others: like getting a movie ticket, a 
particular dress or suit, a particular job or interview or the latest computer 
gadget, but to us they mean everything. Have we the desire to see God, to meet 
Him? What risk are we ready to take, what ridicule are we ready to face to 
encounter Him? Have a blessed encountering weekend! Fr. Jude

Sunday Reflections: 31st Sunday ‘God overlooks our sins and comes to uplift 
us!’ 3-Nov-2013
2 Kings 5: 14-17;          2 Timothy 2: 8-13;          Luke 17: 11-19;

Today’s first reading, from the Book of Wisdom, written a century before Christ 
points out that salvation doesn’t necessarily come primarily only to those who 
are focused against sin, which is negative, but to those who are open to God’s 
love, which is positive. It puts everything into proper perspective. Before the 
Lord the whole universe is as a grain on a scale, very small and insignificant, 
or as the morning dew. On the other hand, God is almighty and all powerful. Yet 
this mighty God cares and is concerned not only about the universe but also 
about each and every one of us and is merciful towards us. He gently corrects 
us and leads us from evil back to him. How do we respond to this great love? In 
the words of the psalmist we say: ‘I will bless your name forever more.’

He wants the best for us
A columnist, Scott Bennett, tells the story of a man ‘Michael’, who was facing 
a series of devastating reversals in his life, leaving him desperate and 
defenseless. He had no job, his car had been repossessed, his marriage was 
ending, and his father had just died a month earlier. One night, in a frantic 
cry for help, Michael lifted up his face to the stars. And then the incredible 
happened. This is how he expressed it: “I felt I was one with…. call it God, 
call it creation… I don’t know. I do know I felt a peace that I have never 
known before or since. A power and a purpose was revealed to me that night that 
I cannot put in words. But I never doubted again that life is precious and has 
a purpose. –As Christians we are blessed with a faith that teaches us we have 
in God a compassionate, caring and loving father, whose thoughts are above ours 
as the heavens are above the earth. God who created us loves us, cares for us 
and will never cease
 pursuing what is best for us even if we fail out of human frailty. “What the 
caterpillar calls the end of the road, God calls a butterfly.”
James Valladares in ‘Your words, O Lord, Are Spirit, and They Are Life’

The Gospel today shows us clearly the attitude of God towards sinners 
illustrated in how Jesus treats Zacchaeus the tax collector. Although his 
profession would have made him very rich, Zacchaeus led a lonely and isolated 
life in spite of his wealth. He had heard of Jesus and his reputation in 
dealing with prostitutes and sinners. Zacchaeus hoped and wanted to see Jesus. 
He hears that Jesus is passing that way but he is lost in the crowds and is too 
short to see Jesus. But he grabs the opportunity of seeing him by climbing a 
sycamore tree to get a glimpse of Jesus. Perhaps, the crowds are amused by this 
short man, a respectable tax collector, who is perched on the tree. But Jesus 
does not pass by without noticing his effort. He stops, looks up and calls 
Zacchaeus by name. “Zacchaeus, come down! Hurry, because I must stay at your 
home today!” Zacchaeus, cannot believe his ears, Jesus is coming to his home 
and wants to stay with him! The impossible has
 become possible! The crowds are enraged because Jesus has invited himself to 
the house of a sinner, a tax collector, a traitor and friend of the Romans. 
Jesus is not bothered by the reaction of the crowd. He does not see the sins 
but he sees the sinner and reaches out. Jesus’ attitude touches Zacchaeus and 
the man who had been collecting riches all his life now is ready to give it all 
to others, He no longer needs his riches, he has found Jesus. It is worthwhile 
noting that Jesus does not demand repentance before entering into Zacchaeus’ 
home. Jesus overlooks the wrong doing in the hope that he will repent. He gave 
Zacchaeus the opportunity to change in the atmosphere of unconditional 
acceptance. We change not because God forces us to change but only when we 
experience His unconditional acceptance even in our sins.

God comes to us in spite of ourselves!
A woman was at work when she received a phone call that her daughter was very 
sick with fever. She left her work and stopped by the pharmacy to pick up some 
medication for her daughter. On returning to her car she found that she had 
locked her keys in the car. She was in a hurry to get home to her sick 
daughter. She found a coat hanger there. Then she looked at the hanger and 
said, “I don’t know how to use this.” So

Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Konkanni Konnachi? (Dr Oscar Rebello)

[floriano lobo]

- Original Message - 
From: "Goanet Reader" 

To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:53 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Konkanni Konnachi? (Dr Oscar Rebello)


KONKANNI KONNACHI?

By Dr Oscar Rebello
campalhealthservi...@gmail.com



   COMMENTS:

   Dear Oscar,
   In deed, your summation is a beautiful one.
   Yes. KALZANT\'LEAN KONKANNI AMCHI SOGLEAM GOEMKARAM\'CHI KITEAK 
MAI\'BASHECHO MOG ZAUN ASTA KHERIT KALZANTLO MOG.


   And I shall want to pose you a series of questions which you 
must try to answer truthfully and with full conviction.


   If those who love Konkanni and call it Goa\'s [their] 
Mother-Tongue are GOANS, those who feel that Marathi is Goa\'s Mother-Tongue 
too are also GOANS? Or are they Maharashtrians aka Marathi Manus?


   If Latin was Goa\'s Religious Language for Goa\'s Christians, 
could they call Latin Goa\'s mother tongue?


   Can a Mother have a forked tongue? Talking to one child in 
Konkanni and the other in Marathi?? Why is this vexed language issue which 
had been created to take Goa into Maharashtra a long time ago not solved yet 
with the fires being stoked every now and then to de-estabilize the peaceful 
development of Goa and Goans?? Who is stoking these fires?


   Must this official language issue not put to rest once and for 
all? And whose duty is it to do that? Not Goemkars? Why do Goemkars 
themselves, if they are GOEMKARS, stoking/entertaining these fires from the 
sideline?


   Who says that GOEMKARS do not respect Marathi as a Language?

   Must there not be a \'fight\' to decide this issue once and for 
all? And is there a fight without a BLEEDING NOSE?




   Cheers & B/rgds
   floriano
   goasuraj
   9890470896
   floriano.l...@gmail.com
   www.goasu-raj.org


   
   PPS: PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL SANITY
   PS: If the people refuse to become politically \'SANE\', 
politics will remain dirty + more.


   ONLY DABOLIM - NAVY GET OUT
   WITH MOPA - SPECIAL STATUS FOR GOA IS ONLY A SHOUT

   VIVA GOA - VIVA GOEMKARS
   Amchem Goem
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PHvEkxLCmc

Re: [Goanet] : Old-style measurements... paileo,kudov, khandi‏

[Domnic Fernandes]

Gui'natti/gui'natem
X 4, equals 1 anna'tti (ten)
X 4, equals 1 podd' x 4, equals i paili You
guys have missed out one of the measures SOLGEM,
and I think the first two measures are interchanged. So, the above should read
as follows: 2
(two) An’natteo equals 1 (one) gin’natti 2
(two) gin’natteo equals 1 (one) solgem2
(two) solgim equals 1 (one) podd4
(four) poddi equals 1 paili . There
is also another measure called MUDDI (a
bale) which usually contained 4 kuddov.
Rice was packed in muddieo pretty
much like bales of khajur i.e., it
was filled in woven baskets using dry leaves on sides to avoid pilferage and
then wrapped around with dry hay and secured tightly with sumb (coir cope). The 
package was widely used as a gift at weddings
and other functions. People also packed and stored rice in muddieo.  There
were two types of paileo – one with
metal bar fixed in line with its top, which was fitted to a metal ring around
top of paili; it was called filsanvachi paili and the other without. >Kortad 
is, of course, the Portuguese translation of the Konkani 'katorn' that we use. 
In
Bardez we say: katrun map. People used
a round of piece of bamboo to level the contents but most preferred to use a
piece of round metal pipe, which was already available at a chul (fire place) 
to blow fire. Moi-mogan, Domnic
FernandesAnjuna,
Goa











































Mob:
8805237604
  

[Goanet] The Battle of the Konkanis: Separating Wolves from the Lambs

[dale luis menezes]

In response to Prabhakar Timble's article in NT: 
http://roundtableindia.co.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7008%3Athe-battle-of-the-konkanis-separating-wolves-from-the-lambs&catid=129&Itemid=195

Dale

www.daleluismenezes.blogspot.com

---

"To leave error unrefuted is to encourage

intellectual immorality" Karl Marx

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[Goanet] Ugandan Goans: we must tell it like it was then.......

[Anthony Fernandes]

and yes, like when the Kenyans, too, disliked the Hindu-Indians, but
welcomed the Goan-Christians; like when the British "masters" treated the
Goan slaves in a friendly and decent manner, but disliked the conduct and
ways of the other Indians; like when what happened in 1963 was not a
Goa-independence, but an Indian invasion; Thanks you for your writings. My
cousins and their parents, considered Indians by the Idi Amin Ugandans,
were forced, at the end of pangas and only with their night clothes, to
leave Uganda in the middle of the night, separated into different camps in
Italy, and finally invited into the USA….., but maybe for one or two of
them, I think the effect of that harrowing and frightful experience have
and will last through their remaining lives. All being said, sure, today,
I would rather be an ethical Indian businessman, than a Goan do-nothing. 
Anthony.

Re: [Goanet] : Old-style measurements... paileo,kudov, khandi

[Alfred de Tavares]

Prossor Bostaum Bab:

Moi Mogan ani Man'nan Tumcho nomam kortam.
Thanks for the emendations. That's precisely the help I requested for in 
compiling the list of our nearly-erstwhile weights & measures.
I have been away from Goa since 1968. That -- long absence -- plus mymounting 
ailments, along with related medications, I believe, has resulted in a 
substantial amnesiac-syndrome.
Hence, You willing, let's make a little effort & present this list as perfectly 
calibrated as we can.
Towards this purpose, I wish to invite you, Victor Hugo, Augusto & a fewother 
cognoscenti, to join me for a lunch, in Loutulim, come December at a date 
mutually suitable for the bunch.
OK? It will, indeed, be a great pleasure & we will have contributed 
somethingusefull to Goan-way-of-life in transition: Our, hardly insignificant, 
contributionto our posterity.
Yours sincerely,Chacha Alfred.
  
> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:29:38 -0700
> From: s_m_bor...@yahoo.com
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] :  Old-style measurements... paileo,kudov, khandi
> 
> Re: [Goanet] Subject:  Old-style
> measurements... paileo,kudov, khandi
> 
> Has chacha made a mistake or do some terms have
> different meanings in different villages?
> In my village (Velim) gin'nattem x2 = 1 an'nattem.
> Paili x 2 = 1 kuddov.  Kuddov x 20 = 1
> khanddi. Khanddi x 20 = 1 kumbh. Hence, 1 kumbh = 800 pailio. But by Chacha's
> reckoning 1 kumbh = 1600 pailio! 
> In my village the monsoon or 'Pavsalli' crop is
> called Sorodd and the dry season (irrigated) crop is Vaingonn; Chacha's terms
> are interchanged. 
> Chacha may please clarify.
> Kortad is, of course, the Portuguese translation
> of the Konkani 'katorn' that we use.
>  
> Sebastian Borges
>  On 26 Oct 2013 Alfred de Tavares  wrote:
> 
> Good... you guys are edifying our posterity in
> these weights & measures of millenia
> past. Soon our neonati generations will not know
> about this paraphernalia, essential
> to our goneby existence...&, good God forbid,
> such daily-requisite materials viz. pencils, 
> slates, erasers, chalks, blackboards,
> sharpenersPAPER may be heading towards oblivion. 
> Ousch...as our Viviana, in Cal, is bound to
> sayhow very apocalyptic...
> 
> Thus a record of pre-kilogram-littre measures,
> inalianable necessities of every-minute
> life, sketchily recorded. We had:
> 
> Gui'natti/gui'natem  X 4, equals 1 anna'tti
> (ten) X 4, equals 1 podd' x 4, equals i paili
> 
> 4 pailis equal 1 mond(h); 5 paillis equal 1
> vod'lo/dedd mond.
> 
> All these measures could be asked for 'cortad' ie
> levelled with a stave or ?sui (suien)
> ie heaped/peaked-up.
> 
> Then going higher:
> 
> 20 monds equaled 1 Khandi and 20 khandis equaled 1
> kumbh. 
> 
> These were almost always measured kortad; but
> could on occasion, depending on
> the avarice/cruelty pf the batkar (very rare)
> could be asked for in sui form.
> 
> The proportion to ammount of seed to a field
> depend on type of field/cultivation: 
> Thus, morod/terraceed fields on hillsides;
> khazan/low-lying, sub-river-level filled up 
> (dyked, Dutch-style fields. 
> 
> Khazans in turn have two types of planting:
> pausav/vaingon is the rainy season 
> crop and sorod is the dry season crop irrigated by
> respective village toyems/ponds/resevoirs
> which were filled up and used as sources of
> irrigation during dry season.
> 
> These, again man'made water storages turn out rich
> yields of tastiest fish and the daily out and
> in flow of thei waters are regulated with
> admirably efficient sluice-gates.
> 
> in our times their cash yields have crossed into
> crores at annual village comunidade auctions.
> 
> There is much detail to be filled up, which I
> intend to do. I have just outlined the bare sketch
> 
> What say Rico, JC. Sholud I turn in ove to Wikipedia,
> unless they already have it.
> 
> What, for ex I have not proportions of seed to
> various fields/crops. Will do so in December.
> 
> I use to help my Pai a good deal during the
> mirg/cultivation times, before going on to
> boarding school (LHS), colleged, etc.
> 
> I promise also detailed list of the fluid-measurs:
> Xer, pau, so on.
> 
> & the zot'ta, the plouging, the mownis,
> winowing.
> 
> I invite all informed friends to please fill in as
> details of yester-things tickle you minds.
> 
> OBS: Victor Hugo's incomparable CHITRA has an
> enviable collection of all these implements. 
> 
> A reminiscent Chacha...
> 
> -
> Sebastian Borges