Re: [Goanet] Ghor bhav - a discussion on the term and concept

2015-03-18 Thread Adrian
Kurkurit means = fresh & crunchy?

-Original Message-
From: "Joel DS" 
Sent: ‎17-‎03-‎2015 04:32 PM
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ghor bhav - a discussion on the term and concept

Dear Cecil,

There are many words that don't have exact meanings in other languages. I
wonder if DIFLO, TEFAM, MALTI, KONNFO, MELGOR, MEVNNO, DOSKO, TIKLEM,
MISKUTT, MUTTAME, BHORLA (slang), KURKURIT (slang), ETC have exact terms in
other languages. We don't have one-word Konkani meanings for many English
words.

You've done well in coining GHOR-BHAV/GHOR-BHOINN. Congrats! Let's go ahead
and add a few more interesting words to Konkani.

Cheers!


On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Cecil Pinto  wrote:

> GHOR BHAV
>
> Very often it happens here in Goa that when all siblings have settled
> abroad, or are working abroad, one brother (or sister) either takes on or
> is given the responsibility of looking after the aging parents and the
> family house and property. Is there a term for such a brother who stays
> back? Maybe on the lines of 'ghor zanvuim' (house son-in-law). Can he be
> called "ghor bhav" or "ghor bhoinn". Have I just coined a term that will
> soon come into popular usage? Do you know of any ghor bhavs?
>
>
> --
> This post above from me on Facebook elicited interesting comments and
> responses. Below is a selection. Does anyone here on GoaNet have any
> opinions on the term/matter?
> --
>
> Irineu:
> There have been cases but the term you coined has not been known. Should we
> credit you with the term?
>
> Cecil:
> You don't have to credit me when you use it while speaking but if you use
> it while writing you have to put- (c) Cecil Pinto. This is only till
> October 2015 after which I will generously declare it Public Domain and
> everyone can use it without acknowledging my coining of the term. Example
> of usage, "My ghor bhav [(c) - Cecil Pinto] Edwin said Mummy insisted on
> being taken by taxi for all the ladainhas and so to please send some more
> money."
>
> Joy:
> Very true, something to ponder on. It is a sacrifice
>
> Cecil: Joy, I don't know about sacrifice. In some cases the siblings abroad
> contributed handsomely towards the upkeep of parents and house and the ghor
> bhav [(c) - Cecil Pinto] would have an additional source of income which
> allowed him to live a better lifestyle.
>
> Margarida:
> gosh Cecil so many of these around Goathey sacrificed and stayed
> behindbut when it comes to division of propertythey all come back
> ouncing on the GHOR BHAU anim BHOIN
>
> Cecil:
> Margarida although I like the sound of 'ghor rakhno' it sounds somewhat
> like a cowherd's job. I COIN A NEOLOGISM AND SUDDENLY EVERYBODY IS A
> LEXICOGRAPHER AND WANTS TO COIN SIMILAR TERMS AND TAKE CREDIT! Bah!
>
> Anthony:
> padiser bhau vo bhoin as unsucessfull to settle else where !
>
> Cecil:
> Anthony, not always was the ghor bhav [(c) - Cecil Pinto] 'padisher'. Very
> often he had no desire to go abroad - for example someone like me. He
> often, by his presence in Goa, provided an opportunity to his siblings to
> enjoy a better lifestyle abroad without having to worry about matters back
> home.
>
> Joy:
> Cecil Pinto, understand personification! Ghor mazor is a term commonly used
> in konkani referring to people tied down to the house responsibility
>
> Cecil:
> Joy, please understand I am a cunning linguist. The term 'ghor mazor'
> refers to someone who likes to stay at home. It has no connection with
> 'responsibility'. Till today the term 'ghor mazor' has only been used
> online once and so it qualifies as a Googlewhack because if you put it
> without quotes in Google it produces only one result.
> http://issuu.com/goa-streets/docs/web_f8d57a34d71b21/20 . Now look at the
> usage there. It was in a Q&A to an agony aunt column which was written at
> the time by Jose Lourenco and has a sexual connotation.
>
> Gabe:
> The one who stays behind should inherit lock stock and barrel imho.
>
> Michelle:
> My brother is ghor bhav (c) cecil pinto) but he does not look after anyone.
> My mum looks after him.
>
> Arsenio:
> Ghor iramo
>
> Cecil:
> Arsenio, irmao is an elder brother. A ghor bhav [(c) - Cecil Pinto] is not
> always the eldest brother.
>
> Cecil:
> Side topic: The word 'irmao' is a loan word from the Portuguese language
> and means brother. In Konkani it conventionally means elder brother or is
> used as a term of respect for a unrelated elder male. Some people argue
> that it means 'brother' and not 'elder brother'. I am not sure of this. The
> fact that you will never call a younger male 'irmao' says something, no?
>
> Savika:
> Cecil Pintothis is unfair to those who collectively share
> responsibility towards their parentsand an encouragement to those that
> are waiting to shed responsibility to a prime person in the family
>
> Cecil:
> What is unfair Savika? The practice? Why? It works for so many people. What
> is your exact 

Re: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?

2015-04-22 Thread Adrian
Dear Nelson, 

Can we agree to disagree, brother, but as you can see, it is an established 
fact by the word of God, and biblical truth, that prayers for the dead and 
purgatory is non-scriptural as well as non-biblical.

This is an ancient ritual which due to the emotions of the people, had been 
inducted into our roman catholic church somewhere in 340 AD.

Jesus himself if u search the scriptures clearly speaks about a heaven and a 
hell. Never speaks about any purgatory. To claim that one needs to give x 
number of indulgences to obtain graces as well as freedom from "purgatory" call 
Jesus blood sacrifice, death, resurrection as nothing. Remember it is also 
written, give freely the gospel as you receive freely.

Its a sad fact of our roman catholic church.

I hope I have been able to be of encouragement to you, in Christ's love.

Regards,

Adrian Simoes 

-Original Message-
From: "Nelson Lopes" 
Sent: ‎22-‎04-‎2015 12:01 AM
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
Subject: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?

How long do the souls continue to languish in purgatory?
For many more years do we have to offer masses or the souls of our dear
ones and others in purgatory ? Do we believe that they will languish
indefinitely in this state? We believe that many souls go to purgatory, but
much more enjoy the presence of God. Few faithful offer perpetual masses at
different congregations, especially, those that are skeptic about being
forgotten by their progeny and those that have no immediate family to
remember them. The Church by traditions accepts masses for the souls of the
dead on the day of burial, seven days, month , year, second and third year,
After that period there is no preference offered by the church in accepting
such prayers, and the second intentions no remuneration is accepted By the
way at all daily masses and after very decade of Rosary, the dead are
regularly remembered, Besides on all souls day in particular the souls in
purgatory are being remembered and prayed for Is it correct position that
when we offer masses in specific names ? n some Churches names of dead
souls are not announced at all before the beginning of Eucharistic
celebrations. Is not b advisable that the sacrifice of the mass is offered
to the souls in purgatory in general? If every time when we participate in
the Holy Eucharist can we not offer for such intention? The rosary and
other structured and spontaneous prayers, sacrifices et can be not be
offered for such intentions? Can we not offer regular charity to the needy
and deserving with the same intentions? Do the souls in purgatory appear
and request for hundred of masses for their deliverance? The mass stipend
as we understand is only for the maintenance of the priest and no value can
be attached to it
I wish some can explain the length of time after the death the masses are
to be offered in general .Is it guilt and fear of retribution that makes
relatives resort to this practice out of guilt complex ? Many are of the
firm belief that unless we pay the stipend it is not valid sacrifice .There
are instances, when these paid mass offerings are not said for many years
for one reason or other Can we not have faith in the merciful Lord to be
just and fair. In applying all the prayers to cleanse the souls in
purgatory How the doubts of duration in purgatory and the quantum of
prayers will be just enough not to be guilty of not doing enough
Nelson Lopes Chinchinim


Re: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?

2015-04-23 Thread Adrian
Merwyn LOL

-Original Message-
From: "Mervyn Lobo" 
Sent: ‎22-‎04-‎2015 10:37 PM
To: "estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?

Folks,
There is an easier way reduce your time in purgatory.
Pope Francis has assured all that following him on Twitter will do the trick.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vatican-get-time-off-in-purgatory-by-following-pope-on-twitter/

I have four Twitter accounts (even though my friends suggest I need more.)
Mervyn

  

On Wed, 4/22/15, an...@angelav.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?
 To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 
 Received: Wednesday, April 22, 2015, 7:32 AM
 
 Who told you that
 "...it is an established fact by the word of God, and
 
 biblical truth, that prayers for the dead
 and purgatory is non-scriptural as 
 well as
 non-biblical."? and that it "had been inducted
 into our roman 
 catholic church somewhere in
 340 AD."?
 
 If you are
 Catholic, then the following tract will be of help to you:
 
 http://www.catholic.com/tracts/purgatory
 Orlando
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Adrian
 Sent: Wednesday,
 April 22, 2015 7:32 AM
 To: Goa's
 premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
 Subject:
 Re: [Goanet] how long to be in purgatory?
 
 Dear Nelson,
 
 Can we agree to disagree,
 brother, but as you can see, it is an established 
 fact by the word of God, and biblical truth,
 that prayers for the dead and 
 purgatory is
 non-scriptural as well as non-biblical.
 
 This is an ancient ritual which due to the
 emotions of the people, had been 
 inducted
 into our roman catholic church somewhere in 340 AD.
 
 Jesus himself if u search the
 scriptures clearly speaks about a heaven and a 
 hell. Never speaks about any purgatory. To
 claim that one needs to give x 
 number of
 indulgences to obtain graces as well as freedom from
 "purgatory" 
 call Jesus blood
 sacrifice, death, resurrection as nothing. Remember it is
 
 also written, give freely the gospel as you
 receive freely.
 
 Its a sad
 fact of our roman catholic church.
 
 I hope I have been able to be of encouragement
 to you, in Christ's love.
 
 Regards,
 
 Adrian Simoes
 
 -Original Message-
 From: "Nelson Lopes" 
 Sent: ‎22-‎04-‎2015 12:01 AM
 To: "Goa's premiere mailing list,
 estb. 1994!" 
 Subject: [Goanet] how long to be in
 purgatory?
 
 How long do the
 souls continue to languish in purgatory?
 For
 many more years do we have to offer masses or the souls of
 our dear
 ones and others in purgatory ? Do
 we believe that they will languish
 indefinitely in this state? We believe that
 many souls go to purgatory, but
 much more
 enjoy the presence of God. Few faithful offer perpetual
 masses at
 different congregations,
 especially, those that are skeptic about being
 forgotten by their progeny and those that have
 no immediate family to
 remember them. The
 Church by traditions accepts masses for the souls of the
 dead on the day of burial, seven days, month ,
 year, second and third year,
 After that
 period there is no preference offered by the church in
 accepting
 such prayers, and the second
 intentions no remuneration is accepted By the
 way at all daily masses and after very decade
 of Rosary, the dead are
 regularly
 remembered, Besides on all souls day in particular the souls
 in
 purgatory are being remembered and prayed
 for Is it correct position that
 when we
 offer masses in specific names ? n some Churches names of
 dead
 souls are not announced at all before
 the beginning of Eucharistic
 celebrations.
 Is not b advisable that the sacrifice of the mass is
 offered
 to the souls in purgatory in
 general? If every time when we participate in
 the Holy Eucharist can we not offer for such
 intention? The rosary and
 other structured
 and spontaneous prayers, sacrifices et can be not be
 offered for such intentions? Can we not offer
 regular charity to the needy
 and deserving
 with the same intentions? Do the souls in purgatory
 appear
 and request for hundred of masses for
 their deliverance? The mass stipend
 as we
 understand is only for the maintenance of the priest and no
 value can
 be attached to it
 I wish some can explain the length of time
 after the death the masses are
 to be offered
 in general .Is it guilt and fear of retribution that
 makes
 relatives resort to this practice out
 of guilt complex ? Many are of the
 firm
 belief that unless we pay the stipend it is not valid
 sacrifice .There
 are instances, when these
 paid mass offerings are not said for many years
 for one reason or other Can we not have faith
 in the merciful Lord to be
 just and fair. In
 applying all the prayers to cleanse the souls in
 purgatory How the doubts of duration in
 purgatory and the quantum of
 prayers will be
 just enough not to be guilty of not doing enough
 Nelson Lopes Chinchinim 
 



[Goanet] STATEHOOD for BOMBAY - KONKAN - VIDHARBHA.

2009-12-12 Thread Adrian S.

Although the people of Bombay, Konkan and Vidharbha would like to free
themselves from the clutches of the Maratha rule, it is unlikely the
Marathas who dominate the politics in Maharashtra would agree to give
statehood to Bombay, Konkan and Vidharbha.

Unlike the Marathas who are from the Warrior class the people of Bombay,
Konkan and Vidharbha are not from the warrior class and are no match to
challenge the dominance of the Marathas.

All the people of Bombay, Konkan and Vidharbha can do is keep protesting
democratically and strive hard to carve out separate states of Bombay,
Konkan and Vidharbha and free themselves from the dominance of the Maratha
rule.

Who are the Marathas : The Marathas are natives of Pune, Nashik, Sangli,
Kolhapur, Satara, Ahmednagar and Solapur districts. Out of the 9 crore
population of Maharashtra 34% population consists of Marathas. The Marathas
dominate the political arena in Maharashtra. Marathas have dominated the
state politics of Maharashtra since its inception in 1960. The first Chief
Minister of Maharashtra was a Maratha ( Yashwantrao Chavan). Since then,
Maharashtra has witnessed heavy presence of Maratha community and having
more than 50% of their members in the ministry, local municipal commissions,
police force, panchayats, etc.

Adrian S.
adrianj...@gmail.com
Santacruz.


Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Is mass tourism ruining vacations as we know them? | The Stream

2019-07-31 Thread Adrian Desa
Am asking again . . . please remove me from your distribution.

adriand...@gmail.com

Re: [Goanet-News] In Panjim's quaintest quarter, residents live out the
monsoon with trepidation
Adrian Desa 
Sat, Jul 27, 5:30 PM (3 days ago)
to reply.goanet.news
Hi.
Please remove me from your mailing list, thank you.
adriand...@gmail.com

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 5:15 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://m.timesofindia.com/city/goa/in-panajis-quaintest-quarter-residents-live-out-the-monsoon-with-trepidation/
>
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> _/
> _/  FN फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎
> _/  https://archive.org/details/goa1556
> _/
> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
>
>
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:17 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Holiday. Many people look forward to it all year, as a chance to get away
> from the stress of everyday life and let loose in a new place. But what if
> that new place is over capacity? That's the problem facing many hotspots
> around the world lately, from Bali to Barcelona to Mt. Everest to Machu
> Pichu. These destinations are grappling with overtourism - when the
> presence of too many people in one area diminishes quality of life for both
> locals and visitors. Mass tourism is set to be the new normal, due to more
> affordable airfare and the rise of the global middle class. Residents in
> popular hotspots have been protesting overtourism over the past few years.
> Governments are responding by imposing tourism taxes, limiting access to
> popular destinations through ticketing systems and even closing sites to
> give them a chance to recover. In this episode, we ask, should limits be
> set on global tourism?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr5tj5HMtH4
>
> --
> FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎ +91-9822122436
> AUDIO: https://archive.org/details/goa1556
> <https://archive.org/details/@fredericknoronha>
>


[Goanet] Are you really fitted for only a single occupation?

2015-03-16 Thread Adrian Simoes
Get over the mistaken belief that you are fitted for only a single
occupation! Every normal person can succeed at a number of occupations, and
every normal person would probably fail in many occupations. Take myself,
for example: if I had studied and prepared myself for the following
occupations, I believe I would have had a good chance of achieving some
small measure of success-and also of enjoying my work. I refer to such
occupations as farming, fruit growing, scientific agriculture, medicine,
selling, advertising, editing a country newspaper, teaching, and forestry.
On the other hand, I am sure I would have been unhappy, and a failure, at
bookkeeping, accounting, engineering, operating a hotel or a factory,
architecture, all mechanical trades, and hundreds of other activities.


Re: [Goanet] [Secular Goa] The Inquisition Lore

2015-03-30 Thread Adrian Simoes
Dear Brothers & Sisters, reading this.

As i read through the write up whch appeared on my laptop page, tears
rolled in mine eyes. Hence i thought id take some time to share the few
following thoughts:

So what you are saying is that the inquisition did happen, but the details
were not *that bad*? Is that what we are saying here? A couple of Jewish
businesses burnt, the Jesuits slitting the throats of children? not that
bad? it was just a "holy purging", 3000 Jews including Garcia de Orta's
sister being killed in Ela, Old Goa was an exaggeration! Was it? Even One
Hindu temple burnt, or one mosque destroyed, even one Jewish family
destroyed, is no big deal? As long as we can defend Our Holy Catholic
Church, yes? Myth-ification is an amazing manner how to deny the past
facts!! Just as how the Gopakapatnam Harbour has been left to ruins, so
also as the Augustinian tower (which was actually an ancient synagogue) was
been destroyed, just as Curca Springs is left to ruins. This is all
mythification!!

Dear Fellow researchers, I greatly congratulate your studies that you have
done, however i'd suggest if i may, that you continue your research, if
possible personal research, by visiting the ancient sites, and you will see
the glorious hidden truths revealed there. Indeed Goa was a Glorious place
EVEN before the Portuguese settled here!

Hence, can we agree? The Inquisition was a very Sad & Dark Period in the
Roman Church, a very painful period, where, Jesus our Lord, asked Peter to
put his sword into his cover, when he cut off the soldier's ear, Jesus
NEVER propagated ANY Violence, yet the Roman Pope had the audacity to
declare the EVIL Inquisition! And our Beloved Saint Francis Xavier CALLED
for it!! This FACT is historical, and documented, and cannot be revised, to
meet the whims and fancies of the Goan bishop and his clan.

However, we pray that the truth is revealed, and people WILL realize the
Lies that they have been forced to believe all through these years. We
pray, that when the Church Sincerely Apologises, THEN, they will receive
True Forgiveness from Christ Himself, for Tarnishing His Holy Name. Hence i
remember Gandhi's words, "I love Christ, but i hate christians."

Till Then.

best regards,

Adrian Simoes
Managing Director

The Judeo-Christian Heritage of the West Coast of India.
Panjim - Goa

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Santosh Helekar 
wrote:

> Priolkar's, Dellon's and Buchanan's accounts are well-reasoned descriptions
> of the inquisition. Buchanan's account in particular is a fairly objective
> and even-handed account. For example, he also describes all the fanatical
> suicides and sacrificial killings of the Hindus in gory detail. Those who
> are trying to malign these authors and to whitewash all the atrocities have
> a self-serving apologist religious agenda of their own.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Santosh
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com
> [seculargoa]  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > By Frederick Noronha
> >
> > It’s 2012 and Vincent and Martha are falling “instantly in love with
> > Goa”.  Four sentences into Ashwin Sanghi’s The Rozabal Line (Westland,
> > 2008), we encounter the Inquisition.
> >
> > Predictable? Like few others, the Inquisition motif is one which comes up
> > repeatedly in writing on Goa. It does so once more in “India’s
> bestselling
> > theological thriller”. This has happened with so much regularity, that we
> > just seem to take it as a given now.
> >
> > From novels to works in Konkani, translated texts, video CDs and even
> > official accounts of Goa’s history, this story is writ large. But how
> much
> > of this is really true?
> >
> > You get a hint of something not quite being right if search up for
> > information on the Black Legend. Put briefly, the Black Legend is a style
> > of writing – or propaganda – that demonises the Spanish Empire, its
> people
> > and its culture. As if to suggest that the blackest were the Spaniards,
> > while other colonial empires were rather pleasantly-run enterprises.
> >
> > For understandable reasons, this at times extends to the Portuguese too.
> > Spanish history gets projected in a deeply negative light; the reasons
> why
> > this happens is interesting in itself but beyond the scope of this
> > discussion. Suffice to note that depicting exaggerated versions of the
> > Spanish Inquisition form a key part of this.
> >
> > Ever since Priolkar’s book on the subject (The Goa Inquisition: The
> > Terrible Tribunal for the East), published thrice by a State university,
> a
> > Hindutva publishing house, and locally, the first time being just before
> > Liberation, th

Re: [Goanet] Cow slaughter ?

2015-04-01 Thread Adrian Simoes
  IS BEEF EATING ALLOWED FOR HINDUS
 A recent photograph of some Hindu Protesters demanding a ban on
non-vegetarian food made me sit and take notice on vedaas.
 I believe that these protesters are ignorant of what their religion
preaches.
They are simply going against their own religious scriptures.
♥BEST ANSWERS
⚪Manusmriti (chapter5/verse30):"It is not sinful to eat meat of eatable
animals,for God has created both the eaters and the eatables".
⚪Aapastanba Grishsutram(1/3/10):says,"The cow should be slaughtered on the
arrival of a guest, on the occasion of 'Shraaddha of ancestors and on the
occasion of a marriage".
⚪Rigveda (10/85/13):declares "On the occasion of a girls marriage oxen and
cows are slaughtered".
⚪Rigveda (6/17/1) : states that, "Indra used to eat the meat of cow, calf,
horse and buffalo".
⚪Vashishta Dharmasutra (11/34):says,If a Brahmin refuses to eat the meat
offered to him on the occasion of ,'Shraaddha' he goes to hell".
⚪Hinduisms great propagator Swami Vivekaanand said thus: "You will be
surprised to know that according to ancient Hindu rite and rituals, a man
cannot be a good Hindu who does not eat beef ".
(The complete works of Swami Vivekanand vol :3/5/36)
⚪ "The book The history and culture of the indian people" published by
Bharatiya vidya bhawan,bombay and edited by renowned historian R C Majumdar
(vol 2 ,page 18 says)This is said in the mahabharata that "king Ratinder
used to kill 2000 other animals in addition to 2000 cows daily in order to
give their meat in charity".
⚪Aadi shankaraachaarya commentary on Brahadaranyakopanishad 6/4/18
says:'Odaan' rice mixed with meat is called 'maansodan' on being asked
whose meat  it should be, he answers 'Uksha' is used for an ox, which is
capable to produce semen.
♥♥Dear hindoo brothers and sisters what should we follow?
  Religious books or communal political parties??

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Vivian A. DSouza 
wrote:

>  They just don't mean cows.  They mean cattle including bulls, buffaloes
> etc.As a vegetrtian I fully support the ban on slaughter of cattle, BUT
> only if the proponents of this bill are truly sincere andBAN all dairy
> products, which are made from the milk unwillingly donated by cows.  This
> means NO MILK,  NO CHEESE,NO GHEE, NO ICE REAM all of which come from the
> milk forcibly extracted from cows   Why stop at the slaughter of cows ?If
> the proponents are sincere about the Cow, then why don't they go all the
> way and BAN all products that come from COWS.Bye bye AMUL  !!!  No more
> exploiting our cows.
>


Re: [Goanet] The Inquisition Lore

2015-04-01 Thread Adrian Simoes
Dearest Gilbert,

Blessings! Thank you so much for your valuable inputs. Our Trust is
definitely focused to research, collect and assemble hidden facts, as well
as segregate distorted facts as presented in today's day and age. We would
definitely love to share notes on the subjects, and together take things
forward for a better Goa. As is our vision.

We could also be glad and look forward to actually meet up.

warm regards,

Adrian Simoes
Managing Director;
The Judeo-Christian Heritage of the West Coast of India Trust
Panjim - Goa


On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:17 AM, Gilbert Lawrence 
wrote:

> Adrian Simoes wrote: Managing Director; The Judeo-Christian Heritage of
> the West Coast of India.
> Panjim - Goa
>
>
> it was just a "holy purging", 3000 Jews including Garcia de Orta's sister
> being killed in Ela, Old Goa was an exaggeration! Was it?
> GL Responds:
> Yes!  What you have quoted above is a gross exaggeration if not fiction. I
> would have expected better with your title.  Please read some factual
> accounts and the following are a few of them. So thanks for giving me the
> opportunity to present them.
> The Inquisition period extended from 1560 to 1812 with a short period when
> it was abolished. During the approximate 250 years, authoritative
> historians report fifty seven (57) perpetrators (Europeans and Indians)
> were sentenced to death and executed.   An equal number died in effigy;
> suggesting the desire of the authorities to use the Auto de Fe event as a
> deterrence to crime for the local population.
> My reading of Goan history:  During the interim period when the
> inquisition was abolished, a few hundred Goans died in forced labor camps
> in the efforts of the Portuguese colonial authorities to build its capital
> in Vasco and later at Panjim.  Likely the lack of an "Inquisition
> authority" over the governor permitted the colonial government to brutalize
> the native population as a whole with more vicious measures with compulsory
> forced displacement of the native male population from their villages to
> labor camps.
> Absolute power and atrocities of the monarchs during this period of
> "Absolute Monarch" (16th -19th centuries) was not confined only to Europe.
> Similar state-ruler atrocities / cruelties were committed by Hindu Rajas
> and Muslim Sultans in the Indian subcontinent.  A visit to Hampi and
> Bijapur displays the prisons and torture techniques.  While Europe saw the
> kings rule by "divine right" after the 16th century, that cloak of divine
> authority was assumed  in India much earlier as seen by the royal titles of
> the Indian kings.
> Some of the old uncivilized torture techniques even exist today as
> water-boarding, electric shocks etc in several civilized countries of
> Europe, Americas and Middle East.
> Regards, GL
>


Re: [Goanet] GOANET : [HOW LONG TO BE IN PURGATORY]

2015-04-25 Thread Adrian Simoes
Dear Stephen,

Here if i may be permitted to add, that saying that there is no Heaven or
hell, is as good as saying that Jesus Christ is a Liar!! The name Stephen
which you have received is for a young man & martyr Stephan, who was stoned
to death for his belief in Jesus Christ!!

It hence is appalling, that you even when named as a christian name, no
nothing about your beliefs, and go ahead to call Jesus Christ a Liar. Jesus
clearly has spoken about heaven, from where He came, to where He went back
and is seated at the right hand of the Father!!

Jesus himself also told us, that He is going back to prepare mansions for
you and me for after we die. Is Jesus insane? or will you call Jesus a Liar?

Settle this for yourself dear brother beloved.

warm regards,

Adrian Simoes

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:

> On Thu, 4/23/15, Stephen Dias wrote:
> I am sorry to intervene into this dialogue of PURGATORY which you all have
> started. It is true, people have a faith about the purgatory
> and how long to be in Purgatory? As for me I must admit that there is no
> Purgatory, Heaven  nor Hell et all.
> -
>
>
> Stephen,
> The younger generation are quite comfortable with the contention that
> there is no heaven, purgatory or hell.
>
> Others fight tooth and nail not to go to these places. When god (or the
> devil) sends an invite in the form of high blood pressure,
> diabetes, etc., these recipients chose to fight the invite by taking
> chemicals and when they lose that battle, they expect to arrive
> in heaven. Or purgatory. Oh hell!
>
> Mervyn
>
>


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Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: GOA -- enlightening experience, bamboozling future (Menin Rodrigues, Karachi)

2012-01-08 Thread adrian fernandes
Dear Menin, Your article is an excellent expose of the Goan situation. 
Enjoyed reading it fr beginning to end. For your inform.  I  lived 
virtually fr the time I was a baby in Tanzania. Came back to retire in 
2004 at age 70. Have enjoyed the 7 years I have lived in my partents 
home that I maintained while in Tanzania. Enjoy the kind of social life 
and friendliness that still prevails among my fellow Goans, particularly 
Christians and Hindus. I would not want to retire anywhere else in 
world, despite the set backs and trauma I experienced in the beginning, 
despite the nature of politics, the garbage mess, the congestion on the 
roads, the rocketing prices of property, etc. It is the human warmth 
that keeps my spouse and I happy. All the best. Come back to Goa. Adrian 
J Fernandes, Sangolda, Bardez, Goa 8 January 2012




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From: Goanet Reader

GOA -- enlightening experience, bamboozling future

By Menin Rodrigues
Karachi, Pakistan

  JANUARY 8, 2012 - I returned to Goa after 24 months
  to attend a family wedding in Colva.  It was a
  wonderful, enlightening experience and we shared
  great moments of joy and camaraderie -- there being
  a bond that continues to lure me back to my roots.
  I hail from Karachi, Pakistan where we are about
  15,000 Goans, a fact that came as a surprise to
  people I met here!
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