Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-news] Book Launch: Domnic's Goa
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by an Anonymous Donor Mogal Domnic and Goans, Saudi Arab dessant san tuka mojim porbim. Zaitea zannanim tuka boroilem, toxench goanettar dekun boroilem, Tuzo book porgotpak, ani zaito lok ravtalom dolleanim tel galun, kednam gai amcho Domnic zo kai boreo leki boroita teo sogleo leki eka bookant porgot kortolo gai munnon, ani shekim lokachim chintnam and Domnic babachim chintnam ek zaun, vo book porgot zala. Hope all Konkani lovers will have at least one copy of this book in their homes as it will be a good read for all, to show what Goa was once upon a time, and what it is now. How Goans lived in those good old days before the advent of all electronics. Warm wishes and Congratulations to you Domnic on this good work Cheers Jerry Fernandes --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 24/4/2007 --- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html ---
Re: [Goanet] GOAN HINDUS & GOAN MUSLIMS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * To Goa with Love - Three unique Valentine Day packages from EXPRESSIONS Say "I Love You!" in style this year For details, photos and pricing check out: http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/valentines/ Hello Gabe, Your Konkani is excellent, and tuka shabaski favo kiteak tum chodd teomp Goem ravonk nam, pun tum dakoitai tujea utranim ki tum niz goemkar munnon. Coming to the article in question, its sad that the discussion is taking a complete different tone. Muntat ki jib ek atear, je boreak uzar korunk zata toxench katorpak dekun uzar korpak zata. One should always be careful of using ones tongue in a proper manner, instead of cutting like the knife. But now a days its not the tongue but the index finger which is most dangerous in wrong hands as that's the one, one uses to send a mail. Once send mail is pressed there is no way of retriving it. Hence one should be careful of using it. Hope the discussion on the above subject has not been taken harshly by Goans of different communities. May the unity of Goans always be alive Cheers Jerry Fernandes
[Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hello Dr Carmo, Seems you are out to create disharmony amongst Goans with Salcett vs Bardez. After all, there are some who already create this with language, devanagri vs roman script. Seems you are not happy to be a Goan, but would prefer to be a proud Sastikar. S You should be proud that Portuguese gave Salcette to the Jesuits. And as far as I know, Jesuits have never been interested in positions, but they have been all out to do missionary work, even to the most remotest place. If salcette had less bishops, than they took lessons from the Jesuits on being better missionaries, and most of the vicars I have met who made sermons more interesting are from Salcette. Cheers Jerry Subject: [Goanet] Only 11 Bishops from Salcete since 1637 ? We Need an Investigation To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Fr. Joaquim Loyola Pereira, Thanks for providing me with the following statistical information: Of the 55 bishops that Goa has mothered (or grand-mothered) right from 1637, 34 are from Bardez, 11 from Salcete and 10 from Ilhas. I am not at all surprised with this information. Infact I expected this kind of discrepancy even though two of our Sashtikars really hit it big despite all the odds stacked against them: Cardinal Valerian Gracias from Navelim who was from the lower castes and became India's first Cardinal and Jesuit Ivan Dias of Velsao who narrowly lost the last papal horse race to Pope Benedict. Basically at its very Genesis, The Portuguese divided the various regions of Goa among the following denominations (priestly orders) of the Catholic Church as follows: Salcette was given to the Jesuits, Ilhas was given to the Dominicans (remember there were a couple of Dominican fathers on board the lead Caravela with Alfonso de Albuquerque in 1510) and Bardez was given to the Franciscans. I know how much tough time the Jesuits have to become Popes and Bishops because of the basic infrastructure of the Church Hierarchy (The Jesuit Black Pope in Rome, the nature of the Jesuits and their missions, etc) and this may be the reason for having only 11 bishops since 1637 from Salcete vs a disproportionate 55 from Bardez, despite Salcete being a hotbed of Catholicism in Goa. Other Root Causes for this discrepancy must be investigated and addressed for a semblance of parity between Bardezkars and Shastikars among the princes of the Church. So what is being done to promote vocations in Salcete and get more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in the Catholic Church ? I dont mean to be parochial, but for the greater good of Catholicism in Goa and India, we need more Sashtikars to become Bishops and Cardinals in Goa ! Best Regards, Dr. Carmo D'Cruz, Shastikar, Proud Velkar. Even More Proud to Be A Goenkar, Indian Harbour Beach, Florida. --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 31/10/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 1, Issue 297
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Selma I read your mail to Santosh, and I am surprised that you are giving advice to Santosh of which you yourself are fearful :-) Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] The New Goanet/response to Santosh Dear Santosh, To be honest, I am always fearful when I voice an opinion. Sometimes, it is taken as an affront on someone's deeply held beliefs. Sometimes, it is regarded as absurd and ridiculed. If you want my opinion, write what you have to. Don't bother defending your views. Let the chips fall where they may. For every one person, you offend, there will be two that you will educate and perhaps convince to your point of view. We are all adult enough to discern for ourselves exactly what we want to believe. All this "defending the faith" by self-appointed crusaders, is self-serving aggrandisment at best. Selma -- --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 5/9/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Hitler as a Catholic
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi, So much has been written about the above topic. Now could some one tell my Germany is called the Father land and not Mother land as done for most countries? Are there any other countries which are father lands? Cheers Jerry Fernandes --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 4/9/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goanet] Catholic religion
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hello Albert, Christianity as a religion has existed for around 2000 years. All the prophets sent prior to coming of Jesus, came only for the Jews, Jesus too came to the Jews hence called King of the Jews. It was only thru Jesus, that the Gentiles came to know God. And thru Paul the person as Saul who prosecuted the than followers of Jesus, himself became a staunch Christian, and went on teaching about Jesus to all places he went making disciples all around. During those days there were no bibles, and hence people believed what was taught to them and accepted the faith, and so till that time when rebellion started creeping amongst some for their own benefits. As far as I know, the protestant faith came only because one king protested cause he was not allowed to get married the second time, and the people who were under the king followed the king. Then there are many other sects of Christianity, like Lutherans, thru Martin Luther of Germany who too had rebelled, Methodists, etc etc, how they came about is unknown to me, Coming to Goa amchea ganv gara, it the Portuguese who brought the Christianity and too, Catholicism, Since than, people have believed the pulpit, as there was no way of checking what is taught is right or wrong as there were no Bibles than. And people respected and followed the teachings. People of then used to respect the priests, and I have myself witnessed this when Holy communion was given as the last sacrament, the priest would go with sacristian, with an umbrella covering the blessed sacrament, and people kneeling when they passed. (which is a rarity now). But what the church said was the truth for the people and it still is. Just this year the bible in konkani version has been released, earlier to that, it was only the New Testament, and hence the Ten commandments that you talk of or about Genisis, and Exodus, is what people learnt thru the preaching's of the priest, and followed them without questions, who you now say as to say your exact words " men might say anything, the listener should use his common sense and find out who is doing the talking..." well Albert how can one find out when there was no bible in the language people could read? And what about those who are illiterate? Our fore fathers only learnt what was taught to them, and obeyed it, until now. As for Genisis and Exodus, The Ten Commandments were taught in the catechism class. I wonder how many even knew of the existence of Bible than. And how many even had the opportunity to hold it in their hands. What do you think about all the practices that people practiced all these 450 years plus, were they right or wrong? Someone had written that Indian Christians do Idol worship because of their ancient Hindu culture, but what about other countries, like Mexico, Most European countries and also latin American countrie, and south American countries? I don't think they were Hindus before they were converted? I have heard that there are some Christian denominations, pay money for the people to join their groups. Mind you its not conversion, but just switching camp. I am not sure how correct it is. Can you shed some light on it? I liked what you said about prayer in your previous mail, but than what is wrong to say prayers written by others? In this modern generation, with so many books published about self help, imagine, even cooking books, one follows some one else's advices, if not fully but at least partly. Every day new books are published on self help. Imagine books on HOW TO COMMUNICATE, MEN ARE FROM MARS AND WOMAN FROM VENUS, HOW TO TALK TO ANYONE, do you think that is necessary? But still its done. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:36:27 + From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Catholic religion Albert writes In Christianity there are certain things that have come from God.The Bible gives proper account of the same. Though there were certain things which appeared in the old testament and these things were confirmed by Jesus Christ when he was on earth.That Jesus Christ really came into this world died on the cross and rose again was proved long ago.The Genesis, the ten commandments,John's gospel speak volume of what God is and how He has tied us to him.While John's gospel, Luke's and Mathew or Mark tells us clearly who Jesus Christ really was. Even the Koran speaks about the ten commandments I think and the
[Goanet] The Sonapur Church
Hello Roland It was really an insightful piece of information. But you made a mistake for one of the Restaurants. Its Vienna Restaurant and not Venice. Thanks Jerry Fernandes C. D'souza's served excellent pastries, breakfasts, tea and coffee and was located just outside the church. It was quite the habit for the husband to reach the family to the church entrance and then make a beeline to C.Ds. The phrase 'outstanding Catholics' that was so much a Bombay favorite, was first coined by a parish priest there. This gentleman however was a pragmatist if nothing else. He had with permission of C. D'Souzas, installed loudpeaker extensions right across the road just outside the restaurant so that God's word in the form of the Sunday sermon was not missed by those recalcitrant Catholic gentlemen. Venice Restaurant was run by an Aldoncar and his wife who have long since passed on. As a Xavierite student both school and college, I used to eat there whenever I could, to get both the Goan cuisine and the ambience. The menu was nothing fancy, just salt-of-the-earth Goan dishes like rice with prawn or fish curry, 'crumb' chops, sorpotel, vindaloo and xacuti. On a taste level, competing with the best in the Margao, Panjim or Mapuca bazaars. Invariably sitting near me would be the ubiquitous Tarvotti (seaman) enjoying the meal and regaling his local sidekick with stories of his misadventures. He was probably there either because his wife had put him in the doghouse loop (no sex, no food) or perhaps because he liked Venice's food better. --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 14/8/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
