[Goanet] Condolences and a prayer
Its very sad to hear about the demise of Shri Ravindrabaab Kelekar. may his soul rest in peace. Also, i find it sad the the current generation lacks adequate knowledge about this great goan son. Can anyone here suggest the inclusion of a small chapter about him in the school textbooks?? We should not let his memories die -Sameer * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Goa-launch of the well-received *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho on Aug 29, 2010 (Sunday) at 11 am at Ravindra Bhavan, Margao. Meet the author, buy a signed copy (only Rs 295 in Goa till stock lasts). http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
[Goanet] Modern Dhrithrashtra and multiple Duryodhanas .........
Dear All An interesting piece by Rajdeep Sardesai. http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/rajdeepsardesai/1/61986/manmohans-indecisiveness-costing-india-dear.html?from=tn Hope Manmohan aka Dhrithrasthra- the blind King gets the message. -Sam
[Goanet] Re Re: Caste and Creed
Dear Nascy... i tried to ignore ur ignorant ramblings but u jus dont know when to head home. So here goes. -sameer nascy said: > Dear Vasant, >U remove the 'serious causes' that are making me point out the Bad >things >Indian, and I will have no reason to indulge in pointing them >out. OK? >I have said that U and Sameer have mixed up deliberately, freedom of >religion >issues etc, with Caste and Casteism practices. Why do U want >to confuse and >mislead readers? MY REPLY : this is ur very first commnt on this thread "I wonder, what caste, U G Barad, R Parrikar. M Parrikar, CM Kamat, and other saffron wallahs belong to. And Santosh Helekar, is he of mixed caste?" By making a personal attack on some of u fav punching bags, it is U (i repeat ) U (U = Nascty) who tried to divert from an objective criticism and sought shelter behind personal mudslinging. Also it is U who first referred to any Political person etc. so dont accuse me or vasant of digressing. next time pl think bfore u type. i know ur not used to thinking, but hey, theres a first time for everything. >I am trying to be objective against these evils in Hindu society. U >think I >enjoy writing about these things? NO! I cry when I see such >inhumane >prejudices are being practiced in the Land of my birth. MY REPLY : objectiv ?? u ??? gimme a breakive already got u on that one. 2ndly is it only hindu society??? why dont u accept responsbility for allowing this horrendous tradition in ur own community??? U cry??? am sure u must get a high every time u malign a hindu.forget crying... >U guys are impervious to this; as U are one of them. >OR Renounce Casteism and Seperatism now. OK? and Redeem yourselves. >Are U trying to defend the indefensible? >Why do U not answer my question: What is your choice? a casteless >society >with no caste; or a society where everyone is a brahmin, or >everyone is a >sudhir. >U have not even attenpted to answer the above. MY REPLY : not attempted to reply?? pl sample thes: from me : 1)"it is unfortunate that today it is used by political parties for divisive votebank poltics. " mark that i have agreed that it is "unfortunate" 2)"i agree that this system needs to be eradicated" self explanatory. from Vasant : 1) "I can't agree with you more-Hindu India is laughable indeed-the caste system isa scourge and a disgrace" 2) "I have repeatedly said that Caste has no place in our lives-I do not claim any caste and it is irrelevant to me-Caste is an accident of birth and is abominable.Our family consider ourselves Global Citizens with an open mind and Caste,Creed and Religion is of no consequence to us-good and decent human beings who respect one another are. All religions have faultlines and none are flawless," So u see nascy both of us have always said no to casteism ,yet , u cal us names. Is this fair?? >Until such time that the whole of India is not a casteless society, I >will >campaign for it and take it to the world at large, to take >action like the >world did against South Africa against Racism and >Apartheid. The Indian >version is worse, as the same is entrenched for >centuries by their own >people. Indian against Indian. MY REPLY : this is from an older post: "It is upto us to unite and fight this menace instead of pointing fingers at particular communities blaming them for the mess, or blaming political parties as they will always use the caste card , as long as we the electorate allow them to do so" I hope my stand is clear and i really admire ur spirit of fighting tooth n nail for this issue. I suggest u start from ur own community as thats where u have some sort of influence i suppose. for our part we are doing are bit. >Nascy.
Re: [Goanet] reply to Nascy C : Caste system in Goa -
Dear Mr. Nascy It saddens me that u are so biased against some parties. It is definitly ur emotion rather than ur intelligence thats speaking. Can u back ur claims with any prof whatsoever, like the links i gave u?? I am not saying that BJP is guilt free, but it definitley isnt Facist. At best they are at par with the congress. The worst damage is being done by smaller regional parties which are openly using the Caste card : RJD,BSP,Mayawati etc. And i completely agree with Mr. Vasants reply. if this were facebook, i would "like" his post a million times over ;) - Sameer Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nascy Caldeira To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Subject: Re: [Goanet] reply to Nascy C : Caste system in Goa - Sameer, I agree with you in what U say below; that there are persons in the Congress too who are casteist and caste political; and there are persons that switch parties often like 'a merry go round' and a transistor switch!. However in the case of the RSS, BJP and like groups,it is their doctrine and party preamble, and their Manifesto, on Hindu Fascist Supremacy; and these consider only the top castes as real Hindus; all others are only pawns in their filthy game of 'alcat Raj'. Low caste and casteless hindus are used by the top caste people to serve them up to a point; but in reality these people are slaves and a means to an end.
Re: [Goanet] reply to Nascy C : Caste system in Goa -
Dear MR. Nascy apologies for getting ur gender wrong...but i sure have got r mentality right. U r without doubt one of the ignorant lot who like to pint fingers all around. Caste system is the truth, and it hurts everyone who opposes it. and so it does hurt me too. I am not sure it hurts u though And u seemed to have completely (and conveniently) ignored my 2 comments: "it (Caste) is unfortunate that today it is used by political parties for divisive votebank poltics." "i agree that this system needs to be eradicated." But i dont think u squarely blaming the the RSS and BJP is justified.. NCP in maharashtra has always depended on the Maratha votes for survival. And dont forget the first "divisive politics" of free india, of ensuring caste based reservations was the ploy of the Congress. these links should further clarify my point (provided u have the open mind and rational thinking to consider them in an unbiased manner, which i highly doubt) http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/the-scheduled-castes-a-political-tool-of-the-congress-survival/ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-uses-EBC-card-ahead-of-Bihar-polls/articleshow/6207080.cms http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_bihar-congress-flouts-sc-st-act-classifies-members-as-per-caste_1334104 All in all i belive almost all political parties have used / are using / will use caste for politics Its no point blaming them, cause they are feeding off the sentiments of the public. No political party can/will put an end to this. It is we INDIANS( all religions plagued by caste) who have to take the first step and reject anything and everything caste based and support those who take initiatives to bridge this divide through measures like Inter-caste marriages. In this initiative the Church should have taken a primary step a long time ago as , such Casteim has no place in Christianity and also because The Church has considerably more influence over its followers, as compared to the hindus who are divided by too many deities and shrines. The church should have pioneered even more, because of the substantially less population to convince. But it has failed / or rather not even tried. It is upto us to unite and fight this menace instead of pointing fingers at particular communities blaming them for the mess, or blaming political parties as they will always use the caste card , as long as we the electorate allow them to do so. if ur not a part of the solution u definitely are a part of the problem - Sam From: Nascy Caldeira To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Subject: Re: [Goanet] reply to Nascy C : Caste system in Goa - Oh Sammeer. I know the TRUTH HURTS! U have just proved that U love to be a casteist/ racist and will never change. I hope U see 'the writing on the wall' and Reform. Read my response to Vasant Baliga, please, OK? then u will understand me. Thank you. Nascy (for Nasciment)
[Goanet] New topic: Congress- truly secular
The congress has always said its the most secular party in India. Very often i felt that this is just a propaganda to get votes from minorities , but today i was enlightened. I received the following news (which quite a few over here might have heard abt earlier) from 2 separate industry friends : The fastest way to get an electricity connection in a particular industrial estate is by "donating " the asked amount of money to Congress Party Fund. this irrespective of the whether ur a genuine law abiding consumer.. or a someone who wants to make a quick buck (No discrimination). The amount can vary from 3lacs to 10lacs as per the wishes of 'whoever asks for it" The interesting part is 1 of my industry friends is a catholic and the other a hindu. And both were asked for exactly the same amount as "Donation". Now wouldnt u call that Secularism??? no Discrimination on the grounds of faith what so ever. I am sure the communal parties would not have done the same. A fitting tribute to the Congress , a day after they complete 125 years as the only Secular party of India. I wish the Congress good luck in furthering the cause of secularism in the years to come. - Sam naique
[Goanet] reply to Nascy C : Caste system in Goa - Wik ipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dear Nas(t)cy madam ur comment : "Hindu India is laughable indeed! A BIG LOL." is probably the most racial comment ever so either ur d REAl racist or i am the king of france 2ndly Caste system when founded was to allot people on the basis of the work they doit is unfortunate that today it is used by political parties for divisive votebank poltics. 3rdly i agree that this system needs to be eradicated. But (at the risk of being racist) i am pretty sure that such castes also exists among catholics in Goa at least. What are ur institutions doing to eradicate this Evil? Especially ur "world community" which is predominantly Christians. Those who live in glass houses should refrain from pelting stones at others. - Sameer naique Subject: Re: [Goanet] Caste system in Goa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Nasty nascy wrote : I wonder, what caste, U G Barad, R Parrikar. M Parrikar, CM Kamat, and other saffron wallahs belong to. And Santosh Helekar, is he of mixed caste? Hindu India is laughable indeed! A BIG LOL. Giving all Indians a BAD Name. I think it is high time that the world community takes action against this type of racism, and segregation. Nascy.
