Re: [Goanet] “Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!

2012-05-23 Thread marlon menezes
 
I am a little confused by Gabe's post. Does he want the offended christian 
extremists belonging to the CSF to emulate that select group extremist muslims 
into conducting violence against civil society? Or is he implying that the 
christian extremists are not as violent as some of the muslim Jihadies and that 
Sanal should thank his lucky stars that he is still alive. In this post, Gabe 
is sounding a lot like former goanetter Mario G who would take any opportunity 
to disparage muslims.

Marlon


From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org 
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] “Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!

Wouldn't this comment about Muslims in the interview and in the subject line 
hurt the feelings of Muslims?

Here is the rhetorical question in the interview, which insinuates ina public 
forum that Muslims in general are intolerant:

QUOTE
Would he have dared to make any uncharitable remarks against the Muslim 
community?
UNQUOTE

Please see: http://www.thesundayindian.com/article_print.php?article_id=34385

Perhaps, now Muslims have a reason to file a criminal law suit under the 
blasphemy law, IPC Section 295A.

Cheers,

Santosh



- Original Message -
 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com

 *“Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!*
 *
 *
 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHS_kjfMRpY/T7Oy_mkXtcI/AKw/vpCE3dgfGtA/s1600/SundayIndianBishop.jpg
 *
 *
 *Targeting of Edamaruku has created an impression that the Church is
 intolerant of any *
 *rationalist viewpoint?*
 This is incorrect. We are not opposed to rationalist perspectives. In fact
 we encourage them. We never claimed that the dripping cross in Vile Parle
 was a miracle. It is quite possible that it has a natural explanation.
 Edamaruku’s comments were thus unwarranted.


Re: [Goanet] “Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!

2012-05-20 Thread Santosh Helekar
Wouldn't this comment about Muslims in the interview and in the subject line 
hurt the feelings of Muslims?

Here is the rhetorical question in the interview, which insinuates ina public 
forum that Muslims in general are intolerant:

QUOTE
Would he have dared to make any uncharitable remarks against the Muslim 
community?
UNQUOTE

Please see: http://www.thesundayindian.com/article_print.php?article_id=34385

Perhaps, now Muslims have a reason to file a criminal law suit under the 
blasphemy law, IPC Section 295A.

Cheers,

Santosh



- Original Message -
 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com

 *“Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!*
 *
 *
 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHS_kjfMRpY/T7Oy_mkXtcI/AKw/vpCE3dgfGtA/s1600/SundayIndianBishop.jpg
 *
 *
 *Targeting of Edamaruku has created an impression that the Church is
 intolerant of any *
 *rationalist viewpoint?*
 This is incorrect. We are not opposed to rationalist perspectives. In fact
 we encourage them. We never claimed that the dripping cross in Vile Parle
 was a miracle. It is quite possible that it has a natural explanation.
 Edamaruku’s comments were thus unwarranted.
 
 *So why is the Church and Christian community upset? *
 We are not against him for expressing his opinion. The community is hurt by
 his highly derogatory utterances. He has charged the priests of having
 created the dripping cross to make money. To the best of our knowledge, no
 money has been collected by any priest. Besides, priests do not build
 churches. It speaks volumes about his ignorance. He has also made
 unwarranted statements against the Pope and the Church.
 
 *But aren't you overreacting by filing police cases against him? Even Jesus
 preached tolerance and forgiveness?*
 The police cases have not been filed by the Church but by Christian
 association members who are loyal to it. He has no right to hurt other
 people’s sentiments. He has made these and other unwarranted statements out
 of ignorance. The least he could do is apologise to the Catholic community.
 But he has no remorse. He dared to make these remarks only because he knows
 that Christianity preaches tolerance and so he can get away with it. Would
 he have dared to make any uncharitable remarks against the Muslim community?
 
 *Is there a process in the Church for identifying what is a 'miracle' 
 and
 what is just a natural phenomenon?*
 Yes. There is a lengthy scientific process to be undergone before any
 official pronouncement is made. In this case, the Church did not make any
 pronouncement. As a rule,  the Church is slow to attribute supernatural
 causes to extra-ordinary phenomenon we observe in life. As far as possible
 it tries to explain such phenomenon by natural causes.
 
 *Do you think Edamaruku made such comments for cheap publicity? *
 I do not want to attribute any motive. May be he felt that he was launching
 a crusade. Whatever be his motive, the approach was unacceptable.
 
 COMMENT: A copy and paste job from The Hindu
 
 -- 
 DEV BOREM KORUM
 
 Gabe Menezes.



[Goanet] “Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!

2012-05-18 Thread Gabe Menezes
*“Sanal Edamaruku would not have dared to offend Muslims”!*
*
*
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GHS_kjfMRpY/T7Oy_mkXtcI/AKw/vpCE3dgfGtA/s1600/SundayIndianBishop.jpg
*
*
*Targeting of Edamaruku has created an impression that the Church is
intolerant of any *
*rationalist viewpoint?*
This is incorrect. We are not opposed to rationalist perspectives. In fact
we encourage them. We never claimed that the dripping cross in Vile Parle
was a miracle. It is quite possible that it has a natural explanation.
Edamaruku’s comments were thus unwarranted.

*So why is the Church and Christian community upset? *
We are not against him for expressing his opinion. The community is hurt by
his highly derogatory utterances. He has charged the priests of having
created the dripping cross to make money. To the best of our knowledge, no
money has been collected by any priest. Besides, priests do not build
churches. It speaks volumes about his ignorance. He has also made
unwarranted statements against the Pope and the Church.

*But aren't you overreacting by filing police cases against him? Even Jesus
preached tolerance and forgiveness?*
The police cases have not been filed by the Church but by Christian
association members who are loyal to it. He has no right to hurt other
people’s sentiments. He has made these and other unwarranted statements out
of ignorance. The least he could do is apologise to the Catholic community.
But he has no remorse. He dared to make these remarks only because he knows
that Christianity preaches tolerance and so he can get away with it. Would
he have dared to make any uncharitable remarks against the Muslim community?

*Is there a process in the Church for identifying what is a 'miracle' and
what is just a natural phenomenon?*
Yes. There is a lengthy scientific process to be undergone before any
official pronouncement is made. In this case, the Church did not make any
pronouncement. As a rule,  the Church is slow to attribute supernatural
causes to extra-ordinary phenomenon we observe in life. As far as possible
it tries to explain such phenomenon by natural causes.

*Do you think Edamaruku made such comments for cheap publicity? *
I do not want to attribute any motive. May be he felt that he was launching
a crusade. Whatever be his motive, the approach was unacceptable.

COMMENT: A copy and paste job from The Hindu

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.