Re: [Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
So why is Eric Zemmour different? Because his bias/religion tallies with ours? FN On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 09:23, Roland Francis wrote: > Modi only knows how to express his own opinion. > > The average Hindu is secular. It is Modi who is turning him into a bigot. > > > > On Dec 3, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Frederick Noronha < > fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Not Swede! French. > > As much as Modi "is accurately expressing the opinion of the common" > > Indian, I guess. > > FN > > > ᐧ
Re: [Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
Modi only knows how to express his own opinion. The average Hindu is secular. It is Modi who is turning him into a bigot. > On Dec 3, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Frederick Noronha > wrote: > > Not Swede! French. > As much as Modi "is accurately expressing the opinion of the common" > Indian, I guess. > FN >
Re: [Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
Not Swede! French. As much as Modi "is accurately expressing the opinion of the common" Indian, I guess. FN On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 04:37, Roland Francis wrote: > My opinion differs. > > Eric Zemmour is accurately expressing the opinion of the common Swede and > he is expressing it well. > > That interview by the way was worth listening to. Sayers asked the right > questions and Zemmour answered them clearly and coherently: no dodging, no > vitriol, no disconnection. > ᐧ
Re: [Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
My opinion differs. Eric Zemmour is accurately expressing the opinion of the common Swede and he is expressing it well. That interview by the way was worth listening to. Sayers asked the right questions and Zemmour answered them clearly and coherently: no dodging, no vitriol, no disconnection. As an immigrant myself, although not a refugee, not a Muslim and not a rightist, my views are that of Zemmour exactly. I came to a country with a certain culture and development and if I wanted any changes, it was not to reflect the norms in my previous culture from which I was eager to get away but to help develop ones that I came to. Luckily Canada does not have the problems of Europe, although the unbridled immigration and excessive tolerance to the newcomers’ demands are almost alike. We are fortunate that our refugees do not impose their bad habits not because the authorities stop them, but perhaps because they see a good thing and they do not want to endanger it. We do get the same elements of extreme Muslim society but there are no ‘no go areas’, no sharia demonstrations, no getting to a stage where the police are in fear of confronting the lawbreaking elements. How far this sensible situation will stand is anyone’s guess. What I have seen is that however volatile the Muslim first generation refugee immigrants are, the next generation loosens the holds of religion and old culture from their public lives and assimilates. Something in the Canadian teaching system and in Canadian society that makes them conform. Seems Europe does not have that. Here is my wish list: Let immigrants continue coming. They are good for this young and huge country, indeed they are necessary for it but they have to follow whatever process is laid down. I have trust in the system. What I do not have trust in, is the unnecessarily large refugee arrivals that are allowed. I am told that even refugees have to follow a system, but I have no trust in it and I fear the numbers of barbarians waiting at the gate who are the result of violence and trickery. Climate change refugees will add to that too. Among them are people who just want to beat the system and skip the line of applicants in due process of applying for immigration. Beating the system has so far been controlled - but just. When the floodgates burst, so will the system. This is what is happening for Europe because of geography. Right wings thoughts from a person who denies being right wing? Appears to be, except that I am an immigrant myself and have ears closer to the ground more than non-immigrant Canadians do. Roland. Toronto. > On Dec 3, 2021, at 3:22 AM, patrice riemens wrote: > > Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9P0kLxElY > > Looking at the Zemmour phenomenon, a Zhou Enlai quote (yes, him! ;-) may be > appropriate. Asked what his take was on the French Revolution, he replied "it > is too early to decide". And yes, the French Revolution is still not over, > there is still a solid core in French society that rejects its values of > 'liberty, equality, and fraternity'. That part of France gave us the Vichy > regime during WWII (which even abolished the 'Republic' and replaced it by > the 'French State' (slogan: 'work, family, fatherland' ). These are the > 'conservative', I'd say reactionary, values promoted by Eric Zemmour and his > ilks. >
Re: [Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
Aloha,
Re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9P0kLxElY
Thanks Fred for the London explainer of rise of the Zemmour comet in the French
political firmament. He is bad news indeed - if you ask me. But also very
temporary so.
Looking at the Zemmour phenomenon, a Zhou Enlai quote (yes, him! ;-) may be
appropriate. Asked what his take was on the French Revolution, he replied "it
is too early to decide". And yes, the French Revolution is still not over,
there is still a solid core in French society that rejects its values of
'liberty, equality, and fraternity'. That part of France gave us the Vichy
regime during WWII (which even abolished the 'Republic' and replaced it by the
'French State' (slogan: 'work, family, fatherland' ). These are the
'conservative', I'd say reactionary, values promoted by Eric Zemmour and his
ilks.
Zemmour is being portrayed as an 'intellectual' (also in the YT clip above),
but he's rather an anti-intellectual one - not an uncommon phenomenon, btw, and
as so many more, he also will describe himself as 'anti-political' ... He also
appeals to the 'higher layers of society', loath to be associated with the
vulgarity of populist politicians (in France the Le Pen family) and its
supporters, even though their largely share their ideas. Hence the comet-like
rise of such 'acceptable' extreme-rightists, syphoning of voters of traditional
right-wing parties who had not dared to cross-over yet, despite their parties
having increasingly espoused the same political ideas, bashing immigrants,
established foreigners / ethnic minorities (without saying so too openly),
'sexual deviants' (LGBTQ), and anything left of the center right, described as
'communist' - or worse.
Will Zemmour get elected, or even make it to the second turn? I do not think
so, because there is reason for optimism. We have seen (something like) it
before ... in the Netherlands. There too we had a 'Front National' look alike
political movement (it never registered as an official party), the 'Party for
Liberty' led by Geert Wilders, when quite suddenly, Leiden University lecturer
Thierry Baudet sprang to the fore, attracting Zemmour-like 'better educated'
demographies that Wilders couldn't reach. The same expectations/fears of a
political break-out and shake-up arose. And then the Thierry Baudet machine
emptied like a pierced balloon when Baudet turned gaga voicing increasingly
demented claims around the #1 controversy of the moment: Covid vax or no vax
("The unvaccinated are the new Jews").
I have reasons to believe that Zemmour will follow the same trajectory. 'The
wish is the father of the though' - Dutch saying - of course, but the extreme
right ideology, unfortunately largely presented in India, and also on this
list, is something that rather be commited to the mad house - and ultimately
consigns its political representatives to it - sometimes literally.
My 2 old centimes ...
PS Western Civilization? - a very good idea! - Mahatma Gandhi
[Goanet] Freddie Sayers asks: Who is Éric Zemmour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M9P0kLxElY ᐧ
