[Goanet] Human Pollution
Mario wrote: "Gentle Goan nature"? Was your friend smoking or drinking something illegal at the time?:-)) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:55:06 +0530 From: Tony de Sa What makes you think that? Please elaborate. Mario elaborates: If you had not truncated what I wrote you would have seen that your friend referred to the "gentle" nature of Goans being somehow corrupted, which I thought was really funny. This is the same guy who resented Goan workers and service providers being fairly paid Mario previously wrote: Your friend seems to be a Goan Scrooge, with no sympathy or generosity towards hardworking laborers and other service providers. Tony responds irritably: So be it. You have a problem with his way of thinking? Has he asked you to be his disciple and follow him? Mario responds: Your friend the Scrooge hasn't asked me anything. I don't even know who he is. Yes, I have a problem with his notion that working people and service providers in Goa are being "overpaid" because of NRIs and "foreigners". They are paid what they are worth to us. Mario previously wrote: Tell him wages and prices equalize demand and supply. Tony wrote: And so now you have metamorphosed into an econmics professor. Please put your economic tinkering to better use. The US of A which is deep in recession needs your pseudo skills. With a lit bitta luck, it might improve! Mario responds: One doesn't have to be an economics professor to know the most basic fundamentals of economics. The US in the middle of a recession still has a far better quality of life than India at its best - as JoeGoaUK's pictures constantly remind us. Unfortunately, it will not improve much until we send President Hussein back home to Chicago. BTW, he clearly needs some lessons in the fundamentals of economics and life in general, which he did not learn as a community agitator. No wonder he has had his college transcripts sealed like state secrets while he blithely discloses real state secrets of how we got information from the jihadis who tried to kill us. Mario previously wrote: No wonder they are pleased to see NRI's when we come:-)) Tony wrote: You must be kidding. I as a local (and I assure there are droves of others), would welcome you not only with a black flag, but a whole black banner which runs across the street. :-P And what is more, to show my admiration, I would garland you with a string of discarded chappals! Mario responds: No, I'm not kidding. Don't let the smiley face fool you. Apparently you and your friend the Scrooge are birds of a feather and share the same bilious disposition, instead of being happy that some Goans are making more money from visitors to Goa. The ones who are happy to see us are the workers and shopkeepers and restaurant owners whom you and he think are "overpaid".
Re: [Goanet] Human Pollution
Tony - Live and let live, we can do better. If you think about it, Mario does not play Good Shepherd ! eric. From: Tony de Sa To: "Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994" Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 1:25:06 PM Subject: [Goanet] Human Pollution M. Gouvei Was your friend smoking or drinking something illegal at the time?:-)) Me: What makes you think that? Please elaborate. M.G: Your friend seems to be a Goan Scrooge, with no sympathy or generosity towards hardworking laborers and other service providers. Me: So be it. You have a problem with his way of thinking? Has he asked you to be his disciple and follow him? M.G. Tell him wages and prices equalize demand and supply. Me: And so now you have metamorphosed into an econmics professor. Please put your economic tinkering to better use. The US of A which is deep in recession needs your pseudo skills. With a lit bitta luck, it might improve! M.G.: No wonder they are pleased to see NRI's when we come:-)) Me: You must be kidding. I as a local (and I assure there are droves of others), would welcome you not only with a black flag, but a whole black banner which runs across the street. :-P And what is more, to show my admiration, I would garland you with a string of discarded chappals! -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa | M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `"""` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: "I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
[Goanet] Human Pollution
M. Gouveia: Was your friend smoking or drinking something illegal at the time?:-)) Me: What makes you think that? Please elaborate. M.G: Your friend seems to be a Goan Scrooge, with no sympathy or generosity towards hardworking laborers and other service providers. Me: So be it. You have a problem with his way of thinking? Has he asked you to be his disciple and follow him? M.G. Tell him wages and prices equalize demand and supply. Me: And so now you have metamorphosed into an econmics professor. Please put your economic tinkering to better use. The US of A which is deep in recession needs your pseudo skills. With a lit bitta luck, it might improve! M.G.: No wonder they are pleased to see NRI's when we come:-)) Me: You must be kidding. I as a local (and I assure there are droves of others), would welcome you not only with a black flag, but a whole black banner which runs across the street. :-P And what is more, to show my admiration, I would garland you with a string of discarded chappals! -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa |M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `"""` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: "I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
[Goanet] "Human Pollution"
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:08:08 +0530 From: Tony de Sa To further elaborate on his term 'human pollution' he cited the fact that building is going on at a very fast pace and that these new flats/ bungalows/ dwellings are mostly being bought by non-Goans. Soon these people would integrate into the ethnic Goans and not only would there be intermarriage and therefore a change in the ethnicity of the Goans, but that life styles would be influenced by the nature of the people migrating into Goa. For example, if the migrants were aggressive (characteristic of some states in India) this aggressiveness would soon permeate and the gentle Goan nature would now be changed to an aggressive one. He cited the fact that instead of speaking the local language Konkani, more and more communication in the markets was taking place in Hindi. Mario asks: "Gentle Goan nature"? Was your friend smoking or drinking something illegal at the time?:-)) Haven't Goans emigrated in droves to other parts of the world? Tony wrote: My friend also pointed out the fact that Goa is also becoming a retirement home for westerners. In the opinion of some local people this is good because the westerners preserve old homes and maintain them and provide employment for the locals. My friend felt otherwise. He felt that these westerners raise the wages of local labour by over paying them and bring about a rise in prices of commodities like fish and the like. Mario observes: Your friend seems to be a Goan Scrooge, with no sympathy or generosity towards hardworking laborers and other service providers. Tell him wages and prices equalize demand and supply. No wonder they are pleased to see NRI's when we come:-))
[Goanet] "Human Pollution"
I was hesitating to post this. I know I am inviting a hornet's nest round my head, but then fools love to rush in. So here goes. I was sauntering along the road in Verem, Bardez, with a friend of mine from Panjim, who is renowned in the field of tourism. A chance remark that there were a lot of ruined houses in the area and the "whites" hadn't discovered the place yet got my friend going. This is what he said. "Long before I was associated with the travel and tourism industry, an acquaintance from the West Indies told me that promoting tourism in Goa would lead to 'human pollution'". So I asked him what he meant by that. This is the explanation he gave me: With the advance of tourism, there has been a massive influx of all sorts of people to Goa. This is having an influence on various aspects of Goan life. The pressure on resources - land, space, water and air has led to inevitable change in the quality of Goan life.The quality of life that we are enjoying today is not what it was a couple of decades ago. To my prompting that oh yes, no longer were Goans 'susegado', he got a bit irritated and explained that susegado does not mean lazy. People worked till lunch time, then took a small nap or snooze and continued their work. He saw nothing wrong with this. In fact, he felt, it promoted a stress free life. Modern living was pure stress and tension and this (afternoon siesta) was a way to relieve the same - a kind of safety valve. He elaborated on other aspects of his theory. The pressure of migration has changed/ is changing the demographics of every village and city in Goa. He gave example of Chimbel. Here was a sleepy Goan village pre liberation. Post liberation, it had become a slum and a refuge for all sorts of criminals which even the cops were afraid to enter. The other example he cited was that of Davorlim which had now become a hub of all kinds of dubious activity. And what about Dabolim, where approximately 600 dwellings by a builder would knock the demography for a six To further elaborate on his term 'human pollution' he cited the fact that building is going on at a very fast pace and that these new flats/ bungalows/ dwellings are mostly being bought by non-Goans. Soon these people would integrate into the ethnic Goans and not only would there be intermarriage and therefore a change in the ethnicity of the Goans, but that life styles would be influenced by the nature of the people migrating into Goa. For example, if the migrants were aggressive (characteristic of some states in India) this aggressiveness would soon permeate and the gentle Goan nature would now be changed to an aggressive one. He cited the fact that instead of speaking the local language Konkani, more and more communication in the markets was taking place in Hindi. He also pointed out that places like Calangute, Candolim and Anjuna had changed so radically, it was difficult to digest the extent of the change. He felt that migration had to stop or else be controlled as it is in Lakshwadeep. To cite a parallel, he gave the example of Hawaii. The rapid and overwhelming migration into Hawaii has forced changes on the place. Hither to unknown diseases like small pox, and venereal disease were brought in by the migrants. The ethnic Hawaiians are almost extinct. Their customs, religion, life style have been swamped by the migrants. My friend also pointed out the fact that Goa is also becoming a retirement home for westerners. In the opinion of some local people this is good because the westerners preserve old homes and maintain them and provide employment for the locals. My friend felt otherwise. He felt that these westerners raise the wages of local labour by over paying them and bring about a rise in prices of commodities like fish and the like. My friend was in a mood to go on and on, but by then the party whom we were supposed to meet appeared and cut short our discussion. My own reaction to this is that there is a lot of food for thought in what my friend has said. I would have loved to reproduce his conversation verbatim, but advancing age has weakened my memory and I did not have a recording device. -- o . . o o_.__' Cheers! \~/ \ / '-.-' Tony de Sa |M: +91 9975 162 897 _|_ Ph: +91 832 2470 148 `"""` tonyd...@gmail.com W. Somerset Maugham: "I always find it more difficult to say the things I mean than the things I don't." .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:
