Re: [Goanet] Agony of God

2010-03-29 Thread Venantius J Pinto
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Dear Fr. Ivo,
I have no intention in getting argumentative over scripture. My art
practice looks at religion, sexuality and consciousness; as such
certain things/ideas/notions interest me. I would like to point
something out in all humility. The example you chose to show Jesus not
resorting to violence against his "fellowmen"is perhaps not the most
appropriate considering that in Jn 8 10-11, Jesus was making it clear
to Peter, and making sure that "prophecy" would be fulfilled. That
could not be jeopardised at any cost.

10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high
priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was
Malchus.
11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the
cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

The words, "the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink
it?" suggest to put it mildly but unequivocally that nothing was
supposed to come in between his fate/deliverance and Peter acting on
his mind. Yet remember it was Jesus who drove the money changers out
of the temple. There must have been trepidation fear truly amongst the
traders at being chased out.

Luke 9:52-55 would be more appropriate to make your point: And he sent
messengers ahead of him, who went and entered a village of the
Samaritans, to make ready for him; but the people would not receive
him, because his face was set toward Jerusalem. And when his disciples
James and John saw it, they said, "Lord, do you want us to bid fire
come down from heaven and consume them?" But he turned and rebuked
them.

As Shusaku Endo says in his Preface to the American Ed., of his book,
A Life of Jesus (written in 1973, Eng trans 1978 by Richard A
Schuhert), which I presume is what you are pointing towards---"Jesus
as I depict him is a person who lived for love and still more love,
and yet he was put to death, for he chose to live without violent
resistance. My way of depicting Jesus is rooted in my being a Japanese
novelist. I wrote this book for the benefit of Japanese readers who
have no Christian tradition of their own and who know almost nothing
about Jesus. What is more, I was determined to highlight the
particular aspect of love in his personality precisely in order to
make Jesus understandable in terms of the religious psychology of my
non-Christian countrymen and thus to demonstrate that Jesus is not
alien to their religious sensibilities."

Others books by Endo are Silence; and The Final Martyrs (pub just
before his death in 1996)

If time permits something on the Zealots later. I am juggling a lot
but had to respond to this.


venantius j pinto

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:07:33 -0800
> From: "Ivo da C.Souza" 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Agony of God
>
> THE AGONY OF CHRIST TODAY
>
> *Dr.Ivo da Concei??o Souza
>
(DEL)
>   Jesus of Nazareth was a "revolutionary" in the true sense of the word, as
> can be seen from his manifesto (cf.Lk  4:16-21).  Jesus came to the world to
> proclaim the "good news" to the poor, freedom to the oppressed, to announce
> the "acceptable year" of the Lord.  He was to usher in a new era of renewal,
> a new social order, God's Kingdom/Reign/Lordship on earth. Jesus sharply
> criticized the rich oppressors and political rulers of his day. But he never
> supported the use of physical violence against his fellowmen.  Rather, Jesus
> consistently rejected the urges of some of his followers to employ such
> methods of  violence (Jn 18:10-11).


Re: [Goanet] Agony of God

2010-03-29 Thread Ivo da C.Souza

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THE AGONY OF CHRIST TODAY

*Dr.Ivo da Conceição Souza



Can we speak of the "agony" of God? When Man is in turmoil, when life 
is threatened, when society has lost basic values of respect for life and 
for human dignity, when respect for women, children and old folks has gone 
down, can we speak of the "agony of God"? If the glory of God is the living 
Man, and it is a common place to say that the situation of Man is at stake, 
cannot we speak of the "agony of God"? These questions crop up to our mind 
when we have the daily papers in one hand and the Gospel in the other, thus 
reading the daily news in the light of the Gospel values and the Gospel 
shedding light on the daily chores of life. Let us briefly reflect on these 
existential issues in the light of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus. The 
Paschal Mystery is the kernel of Christian religion, it is the mystique of 
our human-Christian existence. In short, it is our participation in the 
"agony of the triumphant God".


  Whenever we speak of the revolution brought up by Christianity into the 
world, we praise the Cross. The Cross brought renewal to the world. It has 
brought 'civilization of love' for the Barbarians. It was the sealing of the 
"movement of Jesus" in Judea. It is epitome of Love. The starting-point for 
Theology is its historical context. One cannot interpret theologically Jesus' 
death without explaining it historically. Crucifixion was a death inflicted 
on a slave. The crucifixion of Jesus was one of the most unequivocally 
political events recorded in the New Testament. Early theological 
interpretation of Jesus' crucifixion as a death "for our sins" has 
overlooked the horrendous, non-religious feature of the Gospel. Cross was an 
instrument of imperial terror. In the Roman Empire, crucifixion was supreme 
penalty, instrument of terror and horror. The Roman Empire could not succeed 
without terror and violence. Pax Romana was rooted on power-peace secured 
through coercion and terror: terror of gladiatorial games, terror of human 
sacrifices. Jesus, on the contrary, has rooted his message on peace and 
love. This was certainly a threat for the Roman Empire. 
To understand the "word of the cross" is to understand the quintessence of 
Christianity, as found in the Pauline letters. In the First Letter to the 
Corinthians Paul stated: "When I first came to you, brothers and sisters, I 
decided to know nothing  except Jesus Christ, and him crucified" (1 Cor 
2:2). What was the meaning of the Cross of Jesus Christ for Paul? His 
conversion was the result of his encounter with Jesus as the Crucified. It 
generated a revolution in his conviction and action. It energized his entire 
apostolic endeavour. The Apostle has to partake in the suffering of Jesus, 
to order life in love (that is, crucified love), to pull everything into the 
tremendous gravitational field of the Cross (cf.Col 1:24). His proclamation 
was the "public portrayal of Jesus Christ Crucified" (Gal 3:1). In this 
context, he could boast himself in the Lord: "Far be it from me to glory 
except in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, and him crucified" (Ga 6:14). 
Christian life is co-crucifixion with Christ (cf.Rm 6:1-5). Baptism means to 
die to sin and live for God (cf.Rm 6:3-11). The common sacred meal, the 
"Lord's supper" was a solemn, public proclamation of the Lord's death (1 Cor 
11:26). Christ died for us, for our sins, for our liberation (Rm 14:15; 1 
Cor 8:11). We have to recognize the centrality of the Cross of Christ for 
Paul's theologizing.


  Jesus of Nazareth was a "revolutionary" in the true sense of the word, as 
can be seen from his manifesto (cf.Lk  4:16-21).  Jesus came to the world to 
proclaim the "good news" to the poor, freedom to the oppressed, to announce 
the "acceptable year" of the Lord.  He was to usher in a new era of renewal, 
a new social order, God's Kingdom/Reign/Lordship on earth. Jesus sharply 
criticized the rich oppressors and political rulers of his day. But he never 
supported the use of physical violence against his fellowmen.  Rather, Jesus 
consistently rejected the urges of some of his followers to employ such 
methods of  violence (Jn 18:10-11). Jesus was familiar with the violent 
means and measures employed by the political rulers to accomplish their 
purposes (Cf.Lk 13:1; Mk 13:31). One of his twelve apostles, Simon, had a 
Zealot background. Jesus was, therefore, familiar with the Zealots' 
programme to overthrow Roman rule by force of weapons, arms and daggers. But 
his stance was one of non-resistance a