[Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development (Final response to U. G. Barad)

2010-08-01 Thread U. G. Barad
 

My responses to Agnelo Pinhero, fond of shifting goal posts (second
attempt), are as follows: 

 

Agnelo Pinheiro in message: 6, dated: Tus, 27 Jul 2010 wrote:  You tired
to confuse the readers by mixing it with conversion and then you came with
malicious contents to defame the Christian Catholic. Just as Saffron colour
is working in Indian Press, so also some other colours work in New York
Times and other Western Media.  

 

My response: Your above lines strongly indicate that "you found what I had
written to be true but with bitter taste". Yes TRUTH is always BITTER and
will continue to be bitter! 

 

After experiencing bitter taste, you preferred to abuse and name-calling
i.e. When it did not fit your requirements you preferred to call them
"Saffron" and "other colours" to Times Magazine and Western Media. 

 

If you really want to blameblame those clergy involved in scandals after
scandals... Not me. And if you still continue blaming me I would only say
I care a straw for your accusations. 

 

Considering your NUMB nature & horse with blinker attitude I conclude right
at this point.  

 

 

Best regards,

 

U. G. Barad

 

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In every way, the Goans of Bombay were part of the great melee that was this 
metropolis, distinct perhaps in the way communities often are, holding on to 
their own traditions but merging slowly nonetheless and forming the thin thread 
of nationhood that would eventually become India. -- Selma Carvalho, in *Into 
the Goan Diaspora Wilderness*. Available at Broadways Book Centre, Panjim [Ph 
+91-9822488564]   Price (in Goa only) Rs 295.  
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/

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Re: [Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development (Final response to U. G. Barad)

2010-07-27 Thread Santosh Helekar
Most of the post quoted below and the earlier one in this thread 
(http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-July/196539.html) 
appear to have been lifted verbatim from some websites. They have been copied 
and pasted without naming the sources, and without placing them in quotes. I 
request the author to avoid this in the future.

Cheers,

Santosh

P.S. Also, please note that most scientists claim not to know anything about 
the supernatural. Most doctors claim to know whatever their religion teaches 
them. But I have never met a doctor or a scientist who claims to know 
everything.

--- On Tue, 7/27/10, pinheiro  wrote:

>...There nothing called total holy or pure in
> spiritual life but one can one strive to attain that
> holiness and purity through lot of mediation and
> scarify.  Some doctors and scientists think they know
> everything and so they have answers to everything.  I
> pity them, for life on earth is journey and you learn
> something new till you die.  
> 
> There are 10 books for the Rigveda. Ten mandalams. From
> first to nine mandalams, in several places it is clearly
> said who is the real God, who is man and why should man
> worship the God and how should he worship him. In the tenth
> mandalam, besides this Lord Almighty, there is the mention
> about a man. The first born and only son of the God. His
> name is Prajapathy (Praja means man and Pathy means
> saviour), the son of the God comes to this world at the
> appropriate time.  U. G. Barad, you yourself had quoted
> Rig Veda  (Vedic literature) in one of your response
> yet you say you do not have Vedic literature. Kindly read
> below  text (they are written in Sanskrit not Greek)
> you will know what I tried to explain you in previous
> mail.  
> 
>  
> 
> Rigveda X:90:2
> 
> पुरुष एवेदं सर्वं यद
> भूतं यच्च भव्यम | 
> उताम्र्तत्वस्येशानो
> यदन्नेनातिरोहति || 
> Purusha evedam sarvam 
> Yadbhutham yachabhavyam 
> Uthaamruthathwasya esaana 
> Ya daannenathirohathi 
> 
>  
> 
> This man, the first born of the God is all that was, all
> that is and all that has to be. And he comes to this world
> to give recompense to everybody as per his deeds.
> 
>  
> 
> In the in the Holy Bible, book of Revelation, St.John 1:8
> 'The Lord God, who is, who was and who is to come'. In
> John's Gospel 8th chapter 51st verse Jesus says: I am
> telling you the truth. Whoever obeys my teaching will never
> die.
> 
> 


  

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[Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development (Final response to U. G. Barad)

2010-07-27 Thread pinheiro
U. G. Barad I suppoe you forget to read the topic sentence 'All Religions for 
Human Integral Development'.  You tired to confuse the readers by mixing it 
with conversion and then you came with malicious contents to defame the 
Christian Catholic. Just as Saffron colour is working in Indian Press, so also 
some other colours work in New York Times and other Western Media.  There 
nothing called total holy or pure in spiritual life but one can one strive to 
attain that holiness and purity through lot of mediation and scarify.  Some 
doctors and scientists think they know everything and so they have answers to 
everything.  I pity them, for life on earth is journey and you learn something 
new till you die.  

 

There are 10 books for the Rigveda. Ten mandalams. From first to nine 
mandalams, in several places it is clearly said who is the real God, who is man 
and why should man worship the God and how should he worship him. In the tenth 
mandalam, besides this Lord Almighty, there is the mention about a man. The 
first born and only son of the God. His name is Prajapathy (Praja means man and 
Pathy means saviour), the son of the God comes to this world at the appropriate 
time.  U. G. Barad, you yourself had quoted Rig Veda  (Vedic literature) in one 
of your response yet you say you do not have Vedic literature. Kindly read 
below  text (they are written in Sanskrit not Greek) you will know what I tried 
to explain you in previous mail.  

 

Rigveda X:90:2

पुरुष एवेदं सर्वं यद भूतं यच्च भव्यम | 
उताम्र्तत्वस्येशानो यदन्नेनातिरोहति || 
Purusha evedam sarvam 
Yadbhutham yachabhavyam 
Uthaamruthathwasya esaana 
Ya daannenathirohathi 

 

This man, the first born of the God is all that was, all that is and all that 
has to be. And he comes to this world to give recompense to everybody as per 
his deeds.

 

In the in the Holy Bible, book of Revelation, St.John 1:8 'The Lord God, who 
is, who was and who is to come'. In John's Gospel 8th chapter 51st verse Jesus 
says: I am telling you the truth. Whoever obeys my teaching will never die.



Rigveda X:90:5

 

तस्माद विराळ अजायत विराजो अधि पूरुषः | 
स जातोत्यरिच्यत पश्चाद भूमिमथो पुरः || 

Thasmaad virraada jaayatha 
viraajo adhi purusha: 
Sjaatho athyarichyatha 
Paschaad bhoomimadhopura

 


From that male the universe came into being. From that body of the universe 
came the omnipresent male. That male thus became manifest, 

adopted various forms and character and created the earth and other planets 
along with the creatures to live in them.

 

In John 1:3 says, 'through him God made all things; not one thing in all 
creation was made without him. 



Rigveda X:90:7
 
तं यज्ञं बर्हिषि परौक्षन पुरुषं जातमग्रतः | 
तेन देवा अयजन्त साध्या रषयश्च ये || 

Thaam yajnam barhishi proukshan 
Purusham jaathamagratha 
Thena deva ayajantha 
Saadhya rushayaschaye


Devas of heaven and the ruling fraternity along with the hermits offered the 
first born male in sacrifice by consecrating him as the animal of offering by 
tying him on a wooden sacrificial post.  

We read in all the four Gospels in the Holy Bible - Jesus was consigned to a 
wooden cross by Pilate, the representative of the Roman Emperor, Herodes, the 
Jew king (Ruler), and two priests named Annas and Caiaphas and their henchmen. 




We are all children of God,  God so loved us so much that he sent his only Son 
to save us.  In his death the whole mankind got salvation not just Christian 
Catholic or Christian but all humans on earth irrespective of religion cast or 
creed or one believes in God or not. The mission of Christian Catholics (with 
the Pope as their leader) is to take the Good News (Birth, Death, Resurrection 
of Jesus and Salvation of mankind) to the ends of the Earth. There might have 
been wrong means but as I said men are weak right from Adam.  The only 
exception is Christ being God himself, who came in this world in the form of 
Man.  Sadly, the RSS and Saffron brigade in India don't refer these four Vedas, 
the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda but only Mahabharata and 
Ramayana, for they fear if they, they will find Prajapathy (Christ) and will no 
longer be called Hindus but Christians. The Prajapathy from Rig Veda is none 
other than Jesus Christ who came to this world to save mankind some 2000 years 
back. Born in the central part of the Globe i.e., Bethlehem.  Don't worry about 
others, worry about yourself and your salvation. Meditate, read, search the 
truth. You will find the truth.  Hope this will enlighten you why all religions 
are for integral development. 

 

Peace be with you today and always!

 

Agnelo Pinheiro

 

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Croydon, Selma Carvalho's *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* is
available at Broadways Book Centre, Panjim [Ph +91-9822488564]
Price (in Goa only) Rs 295. Ask a friend to pick up a copy.
Details of the book http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/

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