Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter (U. G. Barad)
Barad, have you read any of Sen's books? Go check yourself and then come and post your views. No time to spoon feed you. Read the exchange of letters between Sen and Prof. Jagdish Bhagwati in The Economist. Or, would you want be to read it for you? Regards, Eugene
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Eugene Correia write: Barad, have you read any of Sen's books? Go check yourself and then come and post your views. No time to spoon feed you. Read the exchange of letters between Sen and Prof. Jagdish Bhagwati in The Economist. Or, would you want be to read it for you? Eugene, you need not read any of Sen's books and or exchanges for me. I've read enough of him! And I believe you have read all of his books and his exchanges! Well done and keep reading Sen and his philosophy!! Secondly, as one can imagine, it is not possible for everyone to read all the books on all the subjects. In a discussion group, one gets the benefit of anothers work and so one gets better enlightened. And if you are enlightened by his work you can even become his follower! I've no problem with that!! Anyway, I repeat my earlier remark: India has been independent for the last 65 years? How is it that Prof Amartya Sen realized the problem of India only now?? And should he not tell us who is responsible for the mess that he has now identified? And if you have any answer to this, please write from Sen's books and exchanges!! Anyway, let it be. Best regards, U. G. Barad
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Manuel Tavers writes: In hind side, any rational person who has studied India post independence can point out where the country has gone off the rails. The pertinent question to raise is, how can we (Indians) as a nation try and correct the course that is and surely will bring the destruction of the country. Successive governments have failed to pursue policies which are prudent and will lead to a more just and happier society. Yes, successive governments have failed. But it is not only the politicians but also the various intellectuals, analysts, etc. It is in this context; Prof Sen should tell us who exactly are these groups. I think that those responsible for the problem can be part of the solution only if they genuinely accept that they have made mistakes in the past. Eugene Correa writes: While Barad and those like him slept, Sen had undisturbed time to write the books. Should I say anything else? The slept remark is really obnoxious and completely uncalled for. Yes, Prof Sen had undisturbed time to write the books, and make a living of it. However, in his books, did he write anything about the lack of hygiene? And did he offer any solutions for it? There are the issues I would like Eugene to say on. Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Following Jagdish Bhagwait's letter to the editor in The Economist regarding Sen's book, Sen has sent a rejoined to the same publication. Isn't it interesting to see two of India's renowned economists, both teaching in reputed US universities, duel it over Indian economy? The letters can be read on the online edition of the noted weekly. Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen India's dirty fighter
In their new book An Uncertain Glory — India and its contradictions, economists Jean Drèze and Amartya Sen write that the continued inadequacy of social services such as schooling, medical care and physical services (safe water, electricity, drainage, transport and sanitation) will hit India’s growth prospects in the long-term Barad has been highlighting many problems. Here are Sen's ten popular books. – Poverty and Famines, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1981. – On Ethics and Economics, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1987. – Commodities and Capabilities, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1987. – Hunger and Public Action, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 1989 (with Jean Dreze). – Inequality Reexamined, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1992. – On Economic Inequality, Expanded Edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1997. – Development as Freedom, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1999. – India: Development and Participation, New Delhi: Oxford University Press, 2002 (with Jean Dreze). – The Argumentative Indian, London: Penguin, 2005. – Identity and Violence, New York: W. W. Norton Company, 2006. Lastly, Barad should read Sen's interview to The Guardian following the release of his latest book. While Barad and those like him slept, Sen had undisturbed time to write the books. Should I say anything else? As for Fred, Sen has graduated from being a guy to a cool dude. If Sen is asked Fred's change of mind, it would say progression. ;-) Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
On Jul 18, 2013, at 10:24 PM, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: 1: many of them do not even know how to use these amenities when they happen upon one and have to do their business. Unfortunately, they have carried their uncouth habits to Goa where defecation in public places (under bridges and by riversides)was rare if not unheard of. This has caused many a Goan to bring up (Vomit) at the site. 2: I have seen people of Indian origin squat on and defecate on the seat, some even wipe their hands on the walls of the toilet after apparently trying to clean themselves after doing their business, making it impossible for others to use the facility. What a disgraceful situation. COMMENT: Re 1: I would not be that quick to disparage the actions of poor people. And while it is true that they are messing up Goa, and will continue to do so ad infinitum a la Dharavi, what exactly are they to do? After all, the alleged Freedom Fighters provided them with Rights without advising them of their Responsibilities. Re 2: I have not been in a situation where I could claim to have been witness to such actions. ps: (a) is it possible that the Freedom Fighters were thinking ahead in terms of Organic Farming? (b) do we remember the Konkani term for 'going to the toilet' ? jc
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
I like this guy! He makes his point with a lot of concern for the voiceless and powerless millions. And he is not in the least condescending to the region that he was (partly) educated in. Neither does he take the triumphalist approach, that some expats do, sneering at the home they've left behind. His work is underwritten with a humanism which is pushing for a better India. Every right thinking person should listen to what he says, and appreciate his attitude. FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings Goa,1556 http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa On 17 July 2013 14:53, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: Half of Indians have no toilet. It's one of many gigantic failures that have prompted Nobel prize-winning academic Amartya Sen to write a devastating critique of India's economic boom. *http://tinyurl.com/q9j5lkc* -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Wow Fred... Sen a guy :-) Read his earlier book on Indians, The Argumentative Indian. Also read his recent opinions during a talk in Kolkata. Eugene
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Fredrick Noronha writes: I like this guy! He makes his point with a lot of concern for the voiceless and powerless millions. And he is not in the least condescending to the region that he was (partly) educated in. Neither does he take the triumphalist approach that some expats do; sneering at the home they've left behind. His work is underwritten with a humanism which is pushing for a better India. Every right thinking person should listen to what he says, and appreciate his attitude. My response: The country has been independent for the last 65 years. How is it that Prof Amartya Sen realized the problem only now? And should he not tell us who is responsible for the mess that he has now identified? Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
On 18 July 2013 14:29, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Wow Fred... Sen a guy :-) Sorry! You're right. He's a super cool dude! FN FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Gabe Menezes Writes: 'Half of Indians have no toilet. It's one of many gigantic failures that have prompted Nobel prize-winning academic Amartya Sen to write a devastating critique of India's economic boom'. So True may be more than half. That is why, many of them do not even know how to use these amenities when they happen upon one and have to do their business. Unfortunately, they have carried their uncouth habits to Goa where defecation in public places (under bridges and by riversides)was rare if not unheard of. This has caused many a Goan to bring up (Vomit) at the site. I have seen people of Indian origin squat on and defecate on the seat, some even wipe their hands on the walls of the toilet after apparently trying to clean themselves after doing their business, making it impossible for others to use the facility. What a disgraceful situation. Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares.
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
In hind side, any rational person who has studied India post independence can point out where the country has gone off the rails. The pertinent question to raise is, how can we (Indians) as a nation try and correct the course that is and surely will bring the destruction of the country. Successive governments have failed to pursue policies which are prudent and will lead to a more just and happier society. The problem lies with the people and the caliber of politicians we elect. There is no mechanism to hold our elected representatives responsible for their actions, and if there is, due to bribery and corruption, the retribution is not proportionate and the punishment meted out is minimized and the perpetrator is let off either scot free or minimally punished for grave and inexcusable abuses of power and un-compromisable misuse of their positions. In order for India to succeed in building a nation where people feel that they are respected and that the government is democratic ( that is of the people for the people by the people) there needs to be a drastic change commencing from the top. The leaders who are elected should be selfless and work for the wellbeing of their constituents,.not to benefit themselves at the expense of the people who elected them to serve.There also needs to be accountability and mechanisms which work in order to punish and deter those who have ulterior motives. There should be an independent authority like an ombudsmen system where grievances are investigated and wrongdoers are brought to book. If an elected leader is found to be corrupt or failing in their responsibility to the people as a result of negligence or incompetence, then this person must be removed and another elected to fill his post. This should also be the yardstick for all government and civic services. Bribery and corruption and nepotism has no place in society and these so called dynasties (fake ones as such like the Nehru's Gandhi's etc) should not be tolerated and must be shunned. People must be elected on merit not on family name recognition which tends to foster the sense of entitlement. These are only the basics, the details of this should be expanded to cover all aspects of society. If India can rid itself of corruption, bribery, and nepotism, then there is no limit to what India can achieve. The welfare of the people must be foremost and if the people are happy, then the nation will thrive and prosper. Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares.
[Goanet] Amartya Sen: India's dirty fighter
Half of Indians have no toilet. It's one of many gigantic failures that have prompted Nobel prize-winning academic Amartya Sen to write a devastating critique of India's economic boom. *http://tinyurl.com/q9j5lkc* -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
