Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese Resolutions

[soter]

The anti-Portuguese resolutions do not talk about a boycott of those who have 
availed trips to Portugal funded by Fundacao.They are silent on the issue of 
kith and kin of Freedom Fighters taking Portuguese nationality. We would have 
liked to have seen a strong rebuke against Anil Counto who received an award 
from Portugal just a couple of months ago. Similarly all ties of sports and 
other exchange programs should have also been targeted by these so called 
hypocritical nationalists.  Do these brats have the guts to target football 
ties with Portugal?

-Soter

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions

[Dr . Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão]

 

After 49 years of this so called
“liberation”, everyone in Goa, India and overseas are very much aware of the
indiscipline that has taken a hold over Goa. A fallout of the “Liberation”
syndrome. And that corruption, frauds, extortions, thefts, rapes, murders,
etc.; are all tentacles of the same indiscipline.

To bring some semblance of discipline
now, is there any other way than to be strict in implementing the Law and
discipline?

And if some government starts
implementing Law and discipline strictly, will all those ensorcelled by
“Liberation & Freedom”, call it: 
“oppression, human rights violation, imperialists, subjugation,
undemocratic, evil rule, dictatorship, etc., etc.?”

Or else is their agenda to flush Goa
down the drain by infusing more indiscipline?




Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.

  

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions

[U. G. Barad]

I agree with Fr Ivo when he says: "Let us not judge them with our modern
eyes... They saw things in a different light."

However, when people today imply that there was nothing wrong about those
actions, there is a problem.  At the same time, it is necessary to remember
those incidents, so that the present generation recognise the suffering of
our ancestors.  After all, the ancestors of most of the Goans today,
irrespective of their present day religion, did suffer enormously.

Best regards,

U. G. Barad

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions

[floriano]

Dear Albert,
Thank you for bringing the debate on Anti-Portuguese resolutions back on 
track.
This debate has nothing to do with Catholics and Hindus and for that matter 
Portuguese any more.
This debate is whether the so called  handful of RSS/BJP indoctrinated 
zombies who call themselves freedom fighters can hold GOA and Goans to 
ransom.
This debate is about stopping the free dole to louts who go by the name of 
freedom fighters.

Goa has never been freed.
Goa has gained another colonizer worst than the previous one.
Goans want colonizers out,  and these lout freedom fighters to be burnt at 
the stake like in the auto da fe'. The first ones to be well done back to 
back is Naguesh Karmali and Flavian Dias.


"Tenkam Pensiona'm khaun khaun bori datt chorob mandlea teh  chorben uzo 
purian paloutolo zho porto porto petou'mcho podtolo punn cainch nezo"


Vava Goa, Viva Portugal, Viva Goa's COMUNIDADES
Death to traitor Freedom Fighters.

Cheers
floriano
goasuraj
www.goasu-raj.org

PS: If more Goans from every corner of Goa come out like Albert D'Souza, 
Goa will be free from this louts and tics who suck Goa's blood in the name 
of Freedom Fighters and liberation of Goa.




- Original Message - 
From: "Albert Desouza" 

To: "Major domo goanet" 
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutionsi



Dear GoanettersA few handful citizens called freedom fighters cannot rule 
goa. Infact they as freedom fighters have done nothing to liberate Goa from 
the hands of portuguese and hence all other goans not included in the list 
of freedom fighters should come together and fight to stop the pension and 
other benefits of these freedom fighters as they had not done anything for 
our goa nor are doing anything to prevent our land being robbed by sharks 
.albert



From: icso...@bsnl.in
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 02:11:02 +0530
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions


From: "Gabe Menezes" 
U. G. Barad  wrote:
>>> Gabe Menezes question (refer: Message: 2, Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010): 
>>> Does

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[pinheiro]

Which 'Desh' and what 'Prem' they are referring to?   I 'Desh' they mean 
India, since these chaps don RSS colours it has to be. I guess.  Did India 
exist 450 years ago? If they plan to undo Portuguese, Goa cannot be part of 
India.  India came into existence in 1947, 4 centuries after Portuguese 
occupation of Goa. That means Goa was never part of India until its forceful 
occupation by India.


Now, if their reference of  'Desh' and 'Prem' is Goa then undo anything and 
everything the 'Portuguese' had done and left in Goa after 450 year of rule 
And first thing First. FF's should stop receiving pension that they had been 
getting by force since 1961 and in fact should return all the money that 
they had received in the past.  It is because of 'Portuguese' they get it. 
So no 'Portuguese' no 'Money'


Change the Goa's Civil Code which is a Portuguese law that gives all Goans 
(including RSS and BJP in Goa) undivided inheritance rights to Sons and 
Daughter.
Demolish all the 'Portuguese' build houses, and first should be Raj Bhavan 
then 'Camara' buildings in all towns, Marmagoa Port and the Old Goa Churches 
etc.
Then a very pertinent question of 'evacuee property' but it should not be 
Mayem but Dabolim and  and all the illegally occupied land by Army and Navy 
that includes Ilha de Anjediva.


Lastly revoke the 1974 treaty signed by Indian with Portugal if RSS and BJP 
sponsored DNS feels humiliated by the Portuguese Rule in Goa.  Goa had not 
experienced events like  Jallianwala Bagh in Goa to condemn Portuguese. 
India had many events like Jallianwala Bagh yet had written its constitution 
in the same colonial language and runs its day to day administration in the 
very same colonial language 'ENGLISH'.


Goans had lived as part of Portugal for 450 years much longer then they 
lived with India.  The Indian Prime Minister, Nehru hAD himself had admitted 
that Goans had a different culture than that of rest of India. RSS and BJP 
sponsored DNS  is playing vote bank politics nothing much in it.


If RSS and BJP sponsored DNS want to turn the clock in the annals of history 
books then they have to go back to their mother womb and be born again!



RSS and BJP Murdabad!

Viva Goa! Viva Portugal!

Agnelo Pinheiro

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions (update)

[Gilbert Lawrence]

This whole controversy is another example where Goans have a difficult time to 
see beyond the tip of their nose.


The whole idea of a celebration (if one wants to term it such) would be for 
socio-economic advancement of the natives - both Hindu and Catholic in Goa. If 
Goans were smart, this event could be a bonanza-year for tourism to Goa from 
Portugal and else where in Europe.  Why are the Brits so ga-ga about the 
upcoming royal wedding? It is all about tourists pounds ... pounds ... pounds.

Similarly President Obama's recent visit to St. Xavier's college, Mumbai, would 
have been utilized by other groups (including Indian) to maximum 
advantage. Sikhs were very disappointed on the last minute cancellation of the 
President's visit to Amritsar.

The alumni of SFX college should have started a fund and along with a matching 
grant from the US state department have a new wing built onto the college for 
the benefit of the next generation of Mumbai's residents, graduating from SFX 
college.  It is still not too late for this effort.

Regards, GL


- Flora 

I definitely think there is nothing better to do in life than dwell in the past 
and rot in the dung!

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions

[Ivo]

From: "U. G. Barad" 

In this context, Gabe Menezes asks: "Does it mean that to bring about a
complete reversal, Catholics will have to revert to Hindu names and also
renounce their Religion?"



Gabe, I did not know that Catholicism originated in Portugal.
**No, but it is the Portuguese and other unknown harbingers of Faith who 
brought the wealth of Christian Faith to India and Goa.


We should understand that the objective of the protest is to ensure that 
the

Portuguese as a colonist are not glorified.  It is my impression that the
present day Portuguese do not empathise with those Portuguese who did so
much harm to others in colonies all over the world.  They also do not
empathise with the regime of Salazar and others.


**Let us not judge them with our modern eyes... They saw things in a 
different light.

What is wrong is wrong, but time gives a different perspective to them...
Salazar lived in his own times, doing what was needed for those times...
"Present day Portuguese" do not have interest in Goa, as their ancestors 
had.

Our present day Indians have more interest in the "Portuguese passport"...
Present day fundamentalists of India should also not be glorified.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[Flora]

Reading the "Goanet article" , on issue relating
to Portuguese , I definitely think there is nothing better to do in life than
dwell in the past and rot in the dung!



Shame on the mentality that we argue and debate on religion in this modern era,
have  we  not progressed from the time where Brahmins
would not cross the path of a lower caste, where today a Brahim  would happily 
lives in 5 star hotel and dine
the food cooked by may be lower caste , where once he would not pass shadow of?



What is shocking is that educated doctors and writers dwell in the same
mentality of the in par with uneducated lower mentality, instead of doing
better for the ‘good of mankind’ this intelligent wasted on issue “of past and
religion converting”, distorted the good, a reader like myself feel disgusted
to know the no matter how educated a man is , the education is not of educating
the  “ mind” but merely  certificates to source of money and when it
comes to religion he will worship anything he think there is God within it!!!



--- On Sat, 27/11/10, Gabe Menezes <> wrote:

From: Gabe Menezes 
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <>
Date: Saturday, 27 November, 2010, 9:53 AM

On 26 November 2010 18:20, U. G. Barad  wrote:

> Gabe Menezes question (refer: Message: 2, Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010): Does it
> mean that to bring about a complete reversal, Catholics will have to revert
> to Hindu names and also renounce their Religion?
>
> My response:
>
> Let me rephrase your question: Does it mean that to bring about a complete
> reversal, Hindus have to convert to catholic! And, what are catholics in
> Goa? Nothing less than Hindu converts! So what is preventing you from
> coming
> back to original fold?
>
> Best regards,
>
> U. G. Barad
>

RESPONSE: I am quite happy to be where I am, I love eating Beef, can't keep
an abstinence Friday; wouldn't be able to be a vegetarian for 3/4 days in a
week and couldn't bring myself down to your level; i.e. be a Hindu and
nothing else and expect everyone who lives in India to be the same.!



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[Gabe Menezes]

On 26 November 2010 18:20, U. G. Barad  wrote:

> Gabe Menezes question (refer: Message: 2, Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010): Does it
> mean that to bring about a complete reversal, Catholics will have to revert
> to Hindu names and also renounce their Religion?
>
> My response:
>
> Let me rephrase your question: Does it mean that to bring about a complete
> reversal, Hindus have to convert to catholic! And, what are catholics in
> Goa? Nothing less than Hindu converts! So what is preventing you from
> coming
> back to original fold?
>
> Best regards,
>
> U. G. Barad
>

RESPONSE: I am quite happy to be where I am, I love eating Beef, can't keep
an abstinence Friday; wouldn't be able to be a vegetarian for 3/4 days in a
week and couldn't bring myself down to your level; i.e. be a Hindu and
nothing else and expect everyone who lives in India to be the same.!



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[U. G. Barad]

 

In this context, Gabe Menezes asks: "Does it mean that to bring about a
complete reversal, Catholics will have to revert to Hindu names and also
renounce their Religion?"

 

Gabe, I did not know that Catholicism originated in Portugal.

 

We should understand that the objective of the protest is to ensure that the
Portuguese as a colonist are not glorified.  It is my impression that the
present day Portuguese do not empathise with those Portuguese who did so
much harm to others in colonies all over the world.  They also do not
empathise with the regime of Salazar and others.

 

Best regards,

 

U G Barad 

 

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[U. G. Barad]

Gabe Menezes question (refer: Message: 2, Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010): Does it
mean that to bring about a complete reversal, Catholics will have to revert
to Hindu names and also renounce their Religion?

My response: 

Let me rephrase your question: Does it mean that to bring about a complete
reversal, Hindus have to convert to catholic! And, what are catholics in
Goa? Nothing less than Hindu converts! So what is preventing you from coming
back to original fold? 
 
Best regards,

U. G. Barad

[Goanet] Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji

[Gabe Menezes]

Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in PanajiTNN, Nov 26, 2010,
01.14am IST
  PANAJI: A public meeting organized by the Deshpremi Nagrik
Samitiin
Panaji on Thursday passed several "anti-Portuguese resolutions",
including launching an agitation for the closure of the Portuguese consulate
in Goa, replacing Portuguese names given to streets across the state and
demanding a probe into the funding of Fundacao Oriente.

The morcha organized by the samiti, started at Mahalaxmi temple, wound its
way through the city and culminated at Azad Maidan, where a meeting was
addressed.

A large number of children attended the meeting that saw an effigy of Afonso
de Albuquerque  burnt.
The children torched the effigy.

The gathering resolved to take the old issue of changing street names to its
logical conclusion. Girish Pai Vernekar, convener of the samiti, said that
it's a humiliation for self-respecting Goans to continue with Portuguese
names for streets 49 years after Goa's liberation.

Lashing out at Portuguese instutions, the samiti demanded an investigation
into the funding of Fundacao Oriente. It claimed that the foundation is
"pushing Portuguese loyalty among Goans through several schemes in the form
of scholarships, donations, etc".

The samiti also resolved to "obstruct" every move that is aimed at
glorifying the Portuguese regime.

"Any attempt with a hidden agenda, in the name of better cultural and
business ties, will be stopped, and if the government doesn't listen, we'll
be forced to take to the streets," the samiti's resolution read.

Another issue raised at the meeting was on evacuee property. The samiti
demanded the immediate release of land to residents in Mayem, Bicholim
taluka.

"It's an irony of sorts that despite 49 years of Goa's liberation from
Portuguese rule the issue of evacuee property in Mayem has not been
resolved," said Pai Vernekar reading out the resolutions.

Among those who spoke at the meeting were educationist and RSS chief in Goa
Subhash Velingkar, BJP's MLA from Mayem Anant Shet, Atmaram Bharve, Datta B
Naik and Raju Velingkar. Those present on the dais included Ratnakar Lele
and Anand Shirodkar.

The samiti observed November 25 as a Black Day as it was on this day that
the Portuguese set foot in Goa 500 years ago.



Read more: Anti-Portuguese resolutions passed by group in Panaji - The Times
of 
India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Anti-Portuguese-resolutions-passed-by-group-in-Panaji/articleshow/6991485.cms#ixzz16NpxlpK8

QUESTION: Does it mean that to bring about a complete reversal, Catholics
will have to revert to Hindu names and also renounce their Religion?

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.