Re: [Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Rajan is routinely showing us what Goa's central planning has wrought, and Gadgil is showing us how the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas are trying to stem the ugly tide of unbridled and uncontrolled development, your comments make my case once again that you have no constructive ideas to contribute. -- Arrey Mario-baba, just because you are bent on teaching women lessons on the forum, don't think you can teach this cat where her whiskers ought to be :-) In a world where space travel has become mundane, where human cells mingle with animal embryos and India is set to become the world's third largest economy, you want men to sit around banyan trees and decide the fate of the taluka? If Goa had any evolution in its political and economic governance, it would have mapped out the entire state, zoned parts of it for conservation and parts of it for industry and had its entire development process under the purview of a State Planning Commission. Local bodies can play consultative and advisory roles but surely they cannot have executive powers when it comes to state planning. By your argument, everytime a road or a water-line were to pass through a ward, it would require the local panchayat to sanction its approval. The state then becomes subservient to the ward, when infact the ward must be subsumed by the State. The days of the Panchayat Raj should be long dead in India. These inefficient and corrupt bodies of unit governance have no role to play in a economically modern India. selma
Re: [Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since Rajan is routinely showing us what Goa's central planning has wrought, and Gadgil is showing us how the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas are trying to stem the ugly tide of unbridled and uncontrolled development, your comments make my case once again that you have no constructive ideas to contribute. Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] By your argument, everytime a road or a water-line were to pass through a ward, it would require the local panchayat to sanction its approval. The state then becomes subservient to the ward, when infact the ward must be subsumed by the State. The days of the Panchayat Raj should be long dead in India. These inefficient and corrupt bodies of unit governance have no role to play in a economically modern India. Mario observes: Selma, Once again, you are defending the status quo which is defacing and destroying the Goan environment. The failure of the status quo can be easily gaged by the actual ugly results across Goa that Rajan Parrikar has been showing us through his searching camera lens. Contrary to Panchayat Raj being dead, based on Gadgil's posts the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas seem to be finally asserting themselves and rejecting unsightly development in their jurisdictions. Unfortunately, without local zoning laws that is all they can do.
Re: [Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This calls for a SEZ-opposing-style agitation to restore respect for the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas that the Chief Minister is dismissing so easily. - Another wonderful populist post from Mario, talking through a hat which is weather-worn by now. The self-proclaimed champion of capitalism in cahoots with the Marxists? (no offense to Gadgil). Let me just bring you up to speed about Panchayats in Goa. First, their elected head is more often than not, the most uneducated bandit of the village. Secondly, he is not averse to corruption and bribes of his own. For every one mega-project that he may oppose, please ask him of the hundreds of illegal extensions, water connections, room leases without sanitation, buildings without relevant approvals, that he will turn a blind eye too because he has been adequately bribed. Also ask the Panch, how many small ventures or business he puts on hold because he has not be adequately bribed. Goa is such a small territory, there is no need to divest planning power to the panchayats. Infact, there is a need to consolidate power but with the intent to use it beneficently. Unfortunately when such a move is made, power rests in the hands of people like Babush, thereby consolidation earning more ire. I take it Mario's plan to SAVE GOA is about as solid as his plan to abolish casteism among Catholic Goans. Both are conceived in thin air :-) selma
Re: [Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- 5th Annual Konkan Fruit Fest Promenade, D B Bandodkar Road, Panaji, Goa 16-18, May 2008 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/073789.html --- Comeon guys, be fair to Digu bab. He's just taking care of the guys who keep him in power (and you thought YOU voted to decide?) If you or me or Manoharbab were in the hot seat, I guess we would have done very much of the same thing. Let's be generous in judging the trespassers, so that others might, one day, judge us too similarly. FN 2008/5/15 Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This calls for a SEZ-opposing-style agitation to restore respect for the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas that the Chief Minister is dismissing so easily. - Another wonderful populist post from Mario, talking through a hat which is weather-worn by now. The self-proclaimed champion of capitalism in cahoots with the Marxists? (no offense to Gadgil)...
[Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
Panchayats cannot revoke approved projects: CM Herald Reporter PANJIM, MAY 13 – Literally giving thumbs down to villages opposing mega housing projects, the government today declared that if a project has been given permission after clearing all technical approvals, the panchayat has no authority to revoke the licence and the government will stand by the project. Addressing a press conference, after the cabinet meeting, Chief Minister Digambar Kamat who was also accompanied by Panchayat Minister Babu Azgaonkar stated that if all rules have been followed and there have been no misrepresentations on the project there is no reason for revoking the licence. “If the rules and procedures are followed, the panchayats have no right to revoke the licence,” he said adding that “if there are any grievances they can approach the Director of Panchayat. “If projects are closed down forcefully, there would be no development in Goa,” claimed Babu Azgaonkar. Mr Kamat further said that the projects wrongly approved through manipulations, misrepresentation then the panchayat can revoke the licence. “But if all procedures are followed they have no right to revoke the licence,” he stated. Even the State Task Force in its interim report has recommended reducing the FAR in some villages and asked for development of infrastructure at coastal belts, Kamat informed. “There is a need for strengthening the infrastructure in the coastal belt especially Benaulim and Calangute and we will continue to do so,” he said. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx
[Goanet] CM declares war on the Goan people!
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:46:16 +0530 From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Panchayats cannot revoke approved projects: CM Herald Reporter PANJIM, MAY 13 ? Literally giving thumbs down to villages opposing mega housing projects, the government today declared that if a project has been given permission after clearing all technical approvals, the panchayat has no authority to revoke the licence and the government will stand by the project. Addressing a press conference, after the cabinet meeting, Chief Minister Digambar Kamat who was also accompanied by Panchayat Minister Babu Azgaonkar stated that if all rules have been followed and there have been no misrepresentations on the project there is no reason for revoking the licence. Mario responds: This is a dangerous development and demonstrates the power struggle currently going on in Goa between the haves and the have-nots. Digambar Kamath should now be held responsible for how such ugly projects that are defacing Goa were approved in the first place, with no regard for the history, culture, environment, ambience and architecture of the local areas. It is the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas that should be in the forefront of approving new projects in their jurisdictions. We have already seen the unfortunate results under the current rules. This calls for a SEZ-opposing-style agitation to restore respect for the Panchayats and Gram Sabhas that the Chief Minister is dismissing so easily.
