Re: [Goanet] CONTROVERSIES ON MEDICAL CARE FOR PRIVATE HOSPITALS=OVERCHARGING PATIENTS

2014-12-21 Thread Stephen Dias
Nicely put up the whole matter in your mail to me, and I hope others also
understand what you said. As for me I am eager to see Goa is best in all
respects especially the poor people. I may not live longer in this world
but whatever GOD gives and given me I must make best use of it so that
crooks, corrupt and Goans with crab mentality goes down the gutter. There
is no point finding our own faults for ulterior motives or getting pride.
Hope you will also excuse my English writing as my basic studies were in
Portuguese..
We cannot do much for Goa as they are not in our hands but I always pray
that one day Goa will shine and our children with have the cake.
GOD BLESS YOU

Stephen

On 20 December 2014 at 09:12, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Dear Stephen,

 One thing that I have tried to do over the years on Goanet is to at .
 People see things in many ways, much like there are ways of seeing.  Last
 night a friend from India called to talk specifically on the urge of those
 (who cannot but continue to benumb our senses) we know who are way beyond
 par at being rational, and who feel their analytical chops can seeing, of,
 and through any idea, issue, notion, event, phenomena, ani Deu zana, kitem
  tem. All one can do (and I said something on these lines in the past),
 is to get better, and not take umbrage.

 I too am very analytical and can ramp up at any moment but prefer to step
 back and listen. But that has taken a lot of training on my part, and is a
 choice. And, I am proud being perhaps one of the few among the visually
 inclined to get down on issues and have my small say. What I try is to make
 analogies and hope that they trigger something in other minds. I know they
 do since I observe movements, decisions in however small and insignificant
 areas.

 I do not feel that Jose has anything against you. My scant observation
 suggests that he sees himself as someone who prides his analytical and
 reasoning ability. The choice of what topics to engage in are his and his
 alone. I for sure to my regret was never mentored, and this is exactly what
 I attempted to teach my own but failed/as rejected. Use these thoughts to
 draw other plausible parallels.

 The points I appreciated from Jose are the ones copied below. Having said
 that, I have never been in doubt that many things said (with the best, and
 even the most catholic, and egalitarian of intents) are easier said than
 done.

 1: Private medical care is expensive
 2: Private hospital care is even more expensive
 3: It is incumbent upon the patient to check the costs before he/she checks
 into a hospital
 4: Do NOT use hospitals for minor illnesses - unless you can afford the
 costs. Remember, it is NOT the duration of time one spends in the hospital
 BUT what has to be done and is done while one is there.
 5: Please ask the genius who moved the hospital from Panjim to Bambolim:
 HELLO where is the hospital for the capital city?

 Hang in. One thing I will say is that being earnest eventually slows us.
 That temperament can only ensnare the individual to the wiles and baser
 natures of any given pursuer, often under the guise of knowledge. When I
 was younger, I often looked at any, ANY issue from a many, many angles to
 the point that I was seen as weird, but strangely still respected (as I
 have recently learned). Often a though triggers umpteen ideas in another
 mind. Eventually ones learns to tame it or become a hunter. No one can
 control that, perhaps Vipassana?!

 I leave you with Catherine of Siena's: If we knew what we should be, we
 could set the world ablaze.

 Blessings this Advent.

 Venantius J Pinto

 On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Stephen Dias steve.dia...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Venantius,

 Every time Jose writes me, he attacks on my English. I have been telling
 him hundred times,  that I have come from Portuguese medium from my
 childhood and that I have switched over to English after liberation. Either
 he wants to show off that he is supreme in all respects or he is a jealous
 of my writing.
 Anyway whatever Dr.Francisco has written and published in Herald and GT,
 has lots of meaning and I have reciprocated telling him as a friend, that
 is in the right direction and many other issues I added.
 Medical care in private Hospitals is gone beyond the limits as far as
 costs, room charges  and medical treatment is concerned but could be normal
 for them. Jose's  comments are unfortunate and discouraging although some
 of his points may be correct but let me answer them:

 1) Crack doctors are definitely existing in Goa especially in Panjim. If
 Jose does not understand of meaning of CRACK than he should ask his friends.

 2)  Minor illness for a non medical  patient is not understood but when
 these patients are well off they decide for a private Hospital rather than
 Govt Hospital, that is a human tendency,  but when the procedure or
 treatment starts one fail to understand whether this illness was 

Re: [Goanet] CONTROVERSIES ON MEDICAL CARE FOR PRIVATE HOSPITALS=OVERCHARGING PATIENTS

2014-12-20 Thread Venantius J Pinto
CORRECTION: first sentence!

Dear Stephen,

One thing that I have tried to do over the years on Goanet is to suggest
not attack just to please some sick movement that could be shaping with
me. People see things in many ways, much like there are ways of seeing.
Last night a friend from India called to talk specifically on the urge of
those (who cannot but continue to benumb our senses) we know who are way
beyond par at being rational, and who feel their analytical chops can
seeing, of, and through any idea, issue, notion, event, phenomena, ani Deu
zana, kitem tem. All one can do (and I said something on these lines in the
past), is to get better, and not take umbrage.

I too am very analytical and can ramp up at any moment but prefer to step
back and listen. But that has taken a lot of training on my part, and is a
choice. And, I am proud being perhaps one of the few among the visually
inclined to get down on issues and have my small say. What I try is to make
analogies and hope that they trigger something in other minds. I know they
do since I observe movements, decisions in however small and insignificant
areas.

I do not feel that Jose has anything against you. My scant observation
suggests that he sees himself as someone who prides his analytical and
reasoning ability. The choice of what topics to engage in are his and his
alone. I for sure to my regret was never mentored, and this is exactly what
I attempted to teach my own but failed/as rejected. Use these thoughts to
draw other plausible parallels.

The points I appreciated from Jose are the ones copied below. Having said
that, I have never been in doubt that many things said (with the best, and
even the most catholic, and egalitarian of intents) are easier said than
done.

1: Private medical care is expensive
2: Private hospital care is even more expensive
3: It is incumbent upon the patient to check the costs before he/she checks
into a hospital
4: Do NOT use hospitals for minor illnesses - unless you can afford the
costs. Remember, it is NOT the duration of time one spends in the hospital
BUT what has to be done and is done while one is there.
5: Please ask the genius who moved the hospital from Panjim to Bambolim:
HELLO where is the hospital for the capital city?

Hang in. One thing I will say is that being earnest eventually slows us.
That temperament can only ensnare the individual to the wiles and baser
natures of any given pursuer, often under the guise of knowledge. When I
was younger, I often looked at any, ANY issue from a many, many angles to
the point that I was seen as weird, but strangely still respected (as I
have recently learned). Often a though triggers umpteen ideas in another
mind. Eventually ones learns to tame it or become a hunter. No one can
control that, perhaps Vipassana?!

I leave you with Catherine of Siena's: If we knew what we should be, we
could set the world ablaze.

Blessings this Advent.

Venantius J Pinto

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Venantius J Pinto 
venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Stephen,

 One thing that I have tried to do over the years on Goanet is to at .
 People see things in many ways, much like there are ways of seeing.  Last
 night a friend from India called to talk specifically on the urge of those
 (who cannot but continue to benumb our senses) we know who are way beyond
 par at being rational, and who feel their analytical chops can seeing, of,
 and through any idea, issue, notion, event, phenomena, ani Deu zana, kitem
  tem. All one can do (and I said something on these lines in the past),
 is to get better, and not take umbrage.

 I too am very analytical and can ramp up at any moment but prefer to step
 back and listen. But that has taken a lot of training on my part, and is a
 choice. And, I am proud being perhaps one of the few among the visually
 inclined to get down on issues and have my small say. What I try is to make
 analogies and hope that they trigger something in other minds. I know they
 do since I observe movements, decisions in however small and insignificant
 areas.

 I do not feel that Jose has anything against you. My scant observation
 suggests that he sees himself as someone who prides his analytical and
 reasoning ability. The choice of what topics to engage in are his and his
 alone. I for sure to my regret was never mentored, and this is exactly what
 I attempted to teach my own but failed/as rejected. Use these thoughts to
 draw other plausible parallels.

 The points I appreciated from Jose are the ones copied below. Having said
 that, I have never been in doubt that many things said (with the best, and
 even the most catholic, and egalitarian of intents) are easier said than
 done.

 1: Private medical care is expensive
 2: Private hospital care is even more expensive
 3: It is incumbent upon the patient to check the costs before he/she checks
 into a hospital
 4: Do NOT use hospitals for minor illnesses - unless you can afford the
 costs. Remember, it