[Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
This is in reply to Dr. Santosh Helekar's message that appeared in Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 878, Message: 4, dated: Wed, 18 Aug 2010. In which Santosh wrote: I don't care what ,Dr. Barad's parochial Hindu beliefs . are on this matter My response: In plain language, my answer is, Santosh is misrepresenting me for I am not supporter of any parochial beliefs on any issue(s) leave alone religious beliefs nor I expect you to believe in my expressions. In your loved responding style, my answer means I really don't care about what you're writing/saying and also don't care for your vague approach of finger pointing Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree with Santosh's attempts to mix both up, or the suggestion that one's religious views would be decided by the State's approach to a [parallel] matter. This is Admin Noronha's fabricated view of what my attempts have been. He has tried to put words in my mouth twice now. So once again, my attempts have nothing to do with what he is claiming here. I don't know how to be more clear than I have already been in this thread. Let me now just say flat out that I have never suggested that one's religious views would be decided by the State's approach to a [parallel] matter. I don't even understand what this statement he has put in my mouth means. As a secular pluralist, I believe that one's religious views are his/her own problem, as long as they do not cause harm to humanity. All I have been saying is that, as the Prime Minister stated, the secular Indian constitution rightly holds that all religions are equal. I don't care what Fr. Ivo's parochial Catholic beliefs, Dr. Barad's parochial Hindu beliefs or Admin Noronha's parochial Atheist/Agnostic beliefs are on this matter. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
--- On Wed, 8/18/10, U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: Concluding line used by Fr. Ivo confused me more on Catholic religion after reading contradictory statements which are available at: http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html Hope Fr. Ivo trashes out all the 20 points written against Christianity as religion in the web-link provided herein above. ***These issues are funny. They do not characterize Christianity. U.G.Barad enjoys criticising the Christians. I do not know well his deeper conections. Goanetters may know them well. Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
In reply to a question Why is all religions are equal a wrong concept in a secular country? (Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 872, Message: 10, date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010) Fr. Ivo summed up saying .Not all routes are equally good, not all scientific theories are equally good, not all therapeutic drugs are equally good. All religions cannot be equally good... and lastly he concludes saying .Why is it that so many intellectuals have chosen Catholic religion. Concluding line used by Fr. Ivo confused me more on Catholic religion after reading contradictory statements which are available at: http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html Hope Fr. Ivo trashes out all the 20 points written against Christianity as religion in the web-link provided herein above. Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
Dear Dr.U.G.Barak, Any one of any religion needs help from the State when s/he is poor, weak, persecuted (the principle of subsidiarity). When Catholics, Muslims or Hindus are persecuted as a religious community, the State has to come to their rescue. The State will help the Catholics, Muslims or Hindus that are persecuted. If Hindu temples are demolished by anti-social elements, the State will come to their rescue. Therefore, it is wrong to say that the State does not look at all at the religious identity of the citizens. It can be wrongly interpreted when it is the case of Catholic Dalits, for example: The State does not give reservation to the poor Catholic Dalits, because Christianity does not accept the system of oppressive casteism. But in this case Dalits should be helped because they are poor. In case they are rich and powerful, the principle of creamy layer takes precedence. Regarding the point of compulsion to believe, Hindus believe that all religions are equal, which is totally wrong. Regards. Fr.Ivo U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: In his comments, Fredrick Noronha asks two questions: * Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe that all religions are equal? * In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected to be neutral to all religions) related to the belief that all religions are equal or otherwise? Answer to 1st question: As far as compelling is concerned, why does Fred restrict his question to only a believer in monotheism? Is he trying to saying that a polytheist should be compelled to believe that 'all religions are equal'? Answer to 2nd question. I would like to suggest that a secular state is one which does not recognize the communal identity (be it religion, caste, or whatever) of an individual in its dealings with him/her. The only identities that a secular state would recognize is whether the person is rich or poor, strong or weak. Identified poor person would get state assistance in various secular issues (like education, housing, etc.) while a weak person would be protected from the strong, if the latter tries to bully him/her. Best regards, U G Barad
Re: [Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
Dear Dr.U.G.Barad, You sent me the link which I read and just laughed at the poor writer, because Christianity is the opposite of what he wrote. There is no need to thrash out all those 20 points. Nothing is true. If he left Christianity for those reasons, he did well following his own conscience. In short, I can tell that he never lived Christian principles nor came to know what Christianity really is. Dear Dr.U.G.Barad, you are a cultured man, do not go by what you are reading in that link. Be critical. Also do not mislead the Goanetters with your anti-Christian postings. Regards. Fr.Ivo U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: In reply to a question Why is all religions are equal a wrong concept in a secular country? (Goanet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 872, Message: 10, date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010) Fr. Ivo summed up saying .Not all routes are equally good, not all scientific theories are equally good, not all therapeutic drugs are equally good. All religions cannot be equally good... and lastly he concludes saying .Why is it that so many intellectuals have chosen Catholic religion. Concluding line used by Fr. Ivo confused me more on Catholic religion after reading contradictory statements which are available at: http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html Hope Fr. Ivo trashes out all the 20 points written against Christianity as religion in the web-link provided herein above.
[Goanet] Can Jose Pereira be anti-Hindu?
In his comments, Fredrick Noronha asks two questions: * Can a believer in a monotheistic religion be compelled to believe that all religions are equal? * In what way is a secularism (where the State is expected to be neutral to all religions) related to the belief that all religions are equal or otherwise? Answer to 1st question: As far as compelling is concerned, why does Fred restrict his question to only a believer in monotheism? Is he trying to saying that a polytheist should be compelled to believe that 'all religions are equal'? Answer to 2nd question. I would like to suggest that a secular state is one which does not recognize the communal identity (be it religion, caste, or whatever) of an individual in its dealings with him/her. The only identities that a secular state would recognize is whether the person is rich or poor, strong or weak. Identified poor person would get state assistance in various secular issues (like education, housing, etc.) while a weak person would be protected from the strong, if the latter tries to bully him/her. Best regards, U G Barad
