Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
Yes Floriano, U are only confirming what we already know and what I implied. Compared to Olive Oil that is at the top of the list of good healthy Oils, then Sunflower oil and some blended oils etc.; Coconut Oil is heavy with bad Cholesterol and should be used sparingly and avoided if possible. Compared to hydrogenated oils, coconut oil is better of course. Dalda has been found to be the biggest killer amongst Guju's and Parsis who were heavy consumers of the stuff. In Goa people used Coconut Oil and Coconut for anything and everything because of the simple fact that it is a staple of Goa like Rice and Fish. So people had it at home, so to say; therefore it is in widespread use. Not necessarily because of the healthy bit; but more for the taste bit. Now modern research tells us that Coconut oil is heavy with cholesterol. Also Coconut vinegar is worse than Oil for health!for the same reason of accumulated cholesterol. I now use other wine vinegars for cooking, even then very sparingly, just for the 'taste' not for preservation! If you are worried about the sales of Coconut oils, Vinegar, and Coconut will go down; U shouldn't worry! :-) :-) There are always folks who will not give up; and U will still have a sizable profit on your hands. :-) :- This goes to all Coconut Bhatcars! Best regards. Nascy. --- On Fri, 3/12/10, floriano wrote: > It looks like Nascy is a qualified > researcher in cooking oils. > Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut > oil on purely practical basis. > > I have said this before and I am saying it again for the > benefit of Nascy and others who probaly have faith is the > hydrogenated cooking oils we have in our supermarkets whose > shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation process. > > > That Hydrogenation process, was again, invented by a > German, this time to gas the whole world, not only the > remainder of Jews. > :-) > However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive > days is the dried copra oil which is heavily oxidized > already by copra drying. And any heavily oxidized matter is > bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra > coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a > period of time versus immediately say within a week or so. > > Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is > extracted from fresh coconut and without drying or > oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil which is > considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not > break-up at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot > withstand high temperatures ex. frying. > (that is why olive oil is consumed in salads) > > > I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am > supposed to take as long as I live, on daily basis since a > year and a half. I found out that my homocysteine > levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure > heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am > lucky to have survived it. > > So, Nascy, there you are. > I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that > coconut oil is not all that bad in front of hydrogenated > oils. > > Cheers > floriano > goasuraj > > > > > > ----- Original Message - From: "Nascy Caldeira" > To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil > > > Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell > you from reading and from experience that Coconut Oil is > full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be avoided if > possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing. > Our old people were more healthy internally than we are > today. Their systems could digest and cope with a lot of the > bad in food; But today is different; there is pollution and > comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the > avoidable. > > Nascimento. > > --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis > wrote: > > With regard to the post from Con > > Menezes with the US link, a few stray > > thoughts and observations: > > > > > > > > Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good > for > > health, even for > > diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar. > > > > > > > > A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in > the > > use of coconut oil, > > They used it for sweets, for making curries and > double > > whammy - for frying > > pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a > freshly > > butchered piglet out > > in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of > the > > meat being diced > > and fried immediately in coconu
Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
It looks like Nascy is a qualified researcher in cooking oils. Hoever, I totally disagree with his assessment of coconut oil on purely practical basis. I have said this before and I am saying it again for the benefit of Nascy and others who probaly have faith is the hydrogenated cooking oils we have in our supermarkets whose shell life is prolonged due to hydrogenation process. That the Germans invented the gas chambers (Holocaust) where 6 million Jews were gassed by Hitler. And he would have gassed more if he was not defeated. That Hydrogenation process, was again, invented by a German, this time to gas the whole world, not only the remainder of Jews. :-) TV advertisements show us that one brand of hydrogenated oil is better than the other. But these are all killers par excellence. However, coconut oil as we have know from our primitive days is the dried copra oil which is heavily oxidized already by copra drying. And any heavily oxidized matter is bad for health (free radicals infested). Therefore copra coconut oil could have been dangerous if consumed after a period of time versus immediately say within a week or so. Now, there is Virgin Coconut oil available which is extracted from fresh coconut and without drying or oxidation. This is even superior to olive oil which is considered the best in oils where the coconut oil will not break-up at high temperatures while the olive oil cannot withstand high temperatures ex. frying. (that is why olive oil is consumed in salads) Why am I saying this? Because, I have stopped using anything hydrogenated, even dalda ghee, altogether. Instead, I am using (my household) ONLY virgin coconut oil. I even sip spoonfuls of it during the day and use it liberally for cooking. I have been diagnosed ( 2 years back or so) as having totally clogged cardiovascular system thro' angiography at Apolo, Margao ( they attribute this to my earlier long term heavy smoking - 4 packs of 20's a day which I have given up completely since 1984 i.e. 26 years). It is so bad that I cannot even go for any sort of by-pass surgery. I have been off Ecoprin and Acorex which drugs I am supposed to take as long as I live, on daily basis since a year and a half. I found out that my homocysteine levels shot up to 27 where normal is 12-15, which is a sure heart attach situation. I even had cardiac arrest but I am lucky to have survived it. So, Nascy, there you are. I am advertising, no not virgin coconut oil, but that coconut oil is not all that bad in front of hydrogenated oils. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Nascy Caldeira" To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading and from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing. Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the avoidable. Nascimento. --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis wrote: With regard to the post from Con Menezes with the US link, a few stray thoughts and observations: Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for health, even for diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar. A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the use of coconut oil, They used it for sweets, for making curries and double whammy - for frying pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly butchered piglet out in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the meat being diced and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the small crowd watching the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now, but no regret for those times either. No one told all this to the older folk of older times who lived, breathed and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local coconut oil. Those in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these folk lived longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it was said that the walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full from the Borim bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite the bad effects of coconut oil. Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough money to buy olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even if it is healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money means worse health". And all this without assigning any blame to even the more expensive brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par excellence. Roland Toronto
Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
Irrespective of all these articles on Coconut Oil; I tell you from reading and from experience that Coconut Oil is full of bad Cholesterol. So it should be avoided if possible, or at least the quantity used should be sparing. Our old people were more healthy internally than we are today. Their systems could digest and cope with a lot of the bad in food; But today is different; there is pollution and comtamination of all sorts; so the need to avoid the avoidable. Nascimento. --- On Thu, 2/12/10, Roland Francis wrote: > With regard to the post from Con > Menezes with the US link, a few stray > thoughts and observations: > > > > Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for > health, even for > diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar. > > > > A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the > use of coconut oil, > They used it for sweets, for making curries and double > whammy - for frying > pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly > butchered piglet out > in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the > meat being diced > and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the > small crowd watching > the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now, > but no regret for > those times either. > > No one told all this to the older folk of older times who > lived, breathed > and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local > coconut oil. Those > in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these > folk lived > longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it > was said that the > walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full > from the Borim > bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite > the bad effects > of coconut oil. > Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough > money to buy > olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even > if it is > healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money > means worse > health". And all this without assigning any blame to even > the more expensive > brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par > excellence. > Roland > > Toronto > >
[Goanet] Coconut Oil vs Olive Oil
With regard to the post from Con Menezes with the US link, a few stray thoughts and observations: Who would have thought that coconut oil would be good for health, even for diabetes, slowing down the absorption of sugar. A long time ago, too long it seems, Goans reveled in the use of coconut oil, They used it for sweets, for making curries and double whammy - for frying pork. There was nothing to beat the aroma of a freshly butchered piglet out in the yard behind the house, with a small portion of the meat being diced and fried immediately in coconut oil and served to the small crowd watching the proceedings. Too cruel and primitive for tastes now, but no regret for those times either. Then there was the dried and salted fish, fried in the C oil and then shredded and moistened in home-made vinegar. No better accompaniment to the fat parboiled rice served with a meat or fish curry from the clay pot. Then C oil became a dirty word. Unsaturated oils became the norm and soon after that the in-thing was mono-unsaturated oils instead of the poly-unsaturated variety. In the Gulf of the 70s and 80s Mazola corn oil became the standard bearer of good cooking oil and it was plentiful and cheap. Olive oil was a fad and a fancy. But not for too long. Somehow olive oil, the more virgin the better, was foisted on the Goan housewife by word of mouth. The industry said canola contained more Omega3 fatty acids and was therefore healthier than olive oil but the Goan refused to believe that a cheaper substitute for olive oil was indeed healthier. No one told all this to the older folk of older times who lived, breathed and ate everything cooked, fried and baked in the local coconut oil. Those in the snob health fad circle refused to concede that these folk lived longer because they even ate raw coconuts. Conveniently it was said that the walk to the Margao market due to the caminaoes coming full from the Borim bridge was solely responsible for long lives. Even despite the bad effects of coconut oil. Now we have come full circle. The people in Goa have enough money to buy olive oil. They will refuse to go back to coconut oil even if it is healthier. Giving new meaning to the old phrase "more money means worse health". And all this without assigning any blame to even the more expensive brands of Indian Made Foreign Liquor - an oxymoron par excellence. Roland Toronto 416-453-3371
[Goanet] Coconut Oil vs. Olive Oil
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