Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Dear Samir, This is positively my last in this thread ... that too, because I have to also thank you for the invite to the 'Bombay Cafe' batatawadas. First, a small correction in your (and your dad's) impression about me. Yes, I 'was' (not are now -- as you say below) in the business of buying and developing land into house-sites. From 1983. I made my few bucks there (if you're under the impression that I made a living from writing!) 99% of the plots I developed were sold to ethnic Goans, until I realised many purchasers re-sold them to all and sundry. I sure was party to despoiling agri/horticultural land for residential use. But as I always argued with my elders at home, I would rather develop and sell a one-acre paddy field in downtown Margao and buy several hectares in Quepem or Sanguem and develop a horticultural garden. I despoiled a bit of urban land around Margao ... but not even in a microscale to what's happening today. I always felt the same way as you did while passing by the verdant hills of Ponda ... when I drove through the interiors of Pernem, Bicholim and Sattari, or Sanguem and Canacona for that matter. I also agree with you that the situation in Goa today is close to what you say -- dire. More than all, I was very enthused with your practical ideas of how to stop Goans selling their votes in the context of Taleigao panchayat elections (in a signed article, in the 'Herald' I think?) We all know what the Taleigao results turned out to be. I think guys like you, who presumably have done well for themselves in life, need to resettle in Goa, and, other than eating batatawadas at Bombay Cafe, implement some of those splendid ideas. Who knows, they might work! Personally, all I can do is use my little writing ability to spread awareness among Goans through the print media, and other incidental ways that flow from that. (But don't call it Contributions to Goa as our friend, Dr. Jose Colaco, in his brand of typical humour, chose to!) I suffer from no such hallucinations! But, I cannot agree with your methodology in the current context. I have said before that Mathany is a good man, a rare politician in the Goa of today, who lives by his principles, and is given to virtues like loyalty. Mathany's otherwise praiseworthy record of loyalty is before us, but keeping the national perspective in mind, he did not get my vote because the leaders of the national party he'd naturally owe allegiance to if elected, will never get my vote. I honestly feel India would be safer in the hands of people like Dr. Manmohan Singh and PC Chidambaram. So, at my orderly (entirely voluntary -- the poor young cop with an ancient rifle was half-dozing) voting booth, near the Margao old market today, I went to vote just past 9.00 am. Since you disclosed your right to secret ballot, let me tell you what I did. I pressed the button at the lead (first in sequence) .. for one another friend privately described as Fishinha! Peace with your batatawadas at Bombay Cafe. But, no, thank you. Have other commitments. Rgds, v - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Valmikibab: First of all I am in Goa today. If you want me to join you in Bombay Cafe my number is (0)-98450-44403. You can also call my father's residence at 2732874. btw, my father mentioned to me that you are now into business and real estate. If that is true, then should I also take it that you are also party to converting the green fields and mountains of Goa into a concrete jungle ? Please correct me if I am wrong, I am all ears. Today, the situation is dire (and I dont think you are stupid enough not to notice the caveat in my post and I repeat it here) Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! samir With the brains that you have Valmikibab, you couldnt have not noticed the last few years that I mentioned re: contribution. To summarize, I feel the situation in Goa is dire. It is possible that Goans in Goa --- Timblo, Digu, you included --- cannot see it may be being caught up. We from outside who visit Goa often (I am here once in two months at least) can see it. If we are shouting, it is not to put down any of you -- it is for the concern of Goa. Let us join up --- each of us do have our own limitations I agree -- to save Goa. Awaiting your call for that bhaji in BC! regards, Samir
[Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Hi Valmiki: Thanks for an elaborate response. Obviously, your great experience in the public field shows in your response. However, first a few points to clarify. And Samir, if your idea of contribution to Goa in recent years is to have got yourself nominated (by my friend Manohar Parrikar, when a BJP Chief Minister of Goa?) as director of Goa Infotech Corpn and then bitten the hand that fed you (with good reason, I know!), Just curious, what makes you think I got nominated myself ? Is that the done thing around Goa ? Btw, the person who appointed me --- on his own --- was Dayanand Narvekar, not Parrikar. That apart -- the fact that neither Parrikar nor Digambar appointed me a director on any state Corporation -- I would never blow my own trumpet to tell you and Goanet what a great Goan contributor I've been. (Would Perhaps you have not read my response properly. I have clearly stated that my contribution is not much. So, where does this trumpet thing come from ? I guess you and me are the same age. What I did when Municipal President of Margao in 1985-87, you ought to have known -- or found out from old timers among the citizenry, councillors, perhaps even municipal employees themselves ... who hated me while I was in the chair, but I'm told the surviving ones think differently today. Why, you could have asked your own dad, who was a prominent Trustee of the 'Novem Goem Pratisthan' -- at least he might have remembered how I got the then Council (that included present Goa ministers like Digambar Kamat and Babu Azgaonkar, and former ministers like Luis Alex Cardoso) to adopt a policy that the municipality's advertising must go primarily to local newspapers ... Rashtramat Novem Goem, both, alas, defunct. Thanks for setting the record straight. Though I know of your contributions vaguely, the point is I was out of India from 1985 onwards, so I wouldnt know the details. You are indeed someone a lot of people look upto because of your past contributions. I will elaborate the other points you have mentioned at one go. Thanks for honestly admitting that you are not fit to be a politician, but dont you think the situation is dire enough in Goa for someone like you --- even if you dont deem yourself fit for politician --- to jump into, especially since you do have past experience of public work ? Wouldnt Goa be a much better place if you had accepted the MLA ticket that you are talking about ? As to Digu and Timblo, your points are well taken. I know Timblo means well in a lot of ways and does huge philanthrophy too, but I believe the current destruction of Western Ghats in the name of mining just cancels all that and much more. I wonder what your views are on the following. Temperatures rising, water tables going down, greenery going off all due to hundreds of mining leases that are given out. Dont you think mining needs to be stopped and alternate ways of development thought of ? Ditto with mega-projects and building ? Same with Digu. Aren't in other words Digu and Timblo presiding over Goa's destruction? What are your views on that Valmiki ? Where will Goa be in ten years from now with all hills of Sanguem finished and even Margao potentially not getting water ? These in my opinion are very serious issues and cannot be just wished away due to some good that Digu and Timblo are doing. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Dear Selma, What's the point in responding to the Big Barad, when he didn't even address your response ... about plagiarising? Instead, like my good friend Samir, he tries to take the issue at a tangent. Catch the guy by his tail, not your mother's noble effort of getting Maggi cubes to her neighbours and fellow villagers in Goa. Uday and Samir won't understand. They won't even be aware that the company now makes and sells Maggi in Goa -- in Maulinguem, Bicholim -- thanks to a few people. Had you to tell this to the Govind Barad I knew some 40 years ago, it would be a different story. Presently, I think, it's water over a duck's back. Get them off your mind. Get on with your serious writing work. It's far more important than getting caught up in circular debates at Goanet by put-ons! Rgds, v - Original Message - From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Yes, Barad, I have made big contributions to Goa. Everytime I go on holiday to Goa, I still take atleast 2 three boxes of Maggi cubes. Now, in post-liberation India this is not much of a contribution but in my parents' time, Maggi cubes was the big thing. My mother used to take atleast 10 boxes and distribute them in the village. These cubes were used to make the best pulau, served at festa time. A lot of people ate this pulau, followed by a good belch and afternoon nap. They woke up feeling life is good and worth living. Now just imagine this for 3 to 4 decades my family has contributed maggi cubes to Goa. That is a lot of good pulau and a lot of good belches. What have you done? best, selma --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: Writing articles or posting articles of others or writing provocations can in no way save Goa.And if you have made contributions to save GOA than the trio in question please let Goanet know about it!
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Dear doutor Josebab, Come to Goa. I'll sue you for perjury! Rgds, v - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa 2009/4/21 Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com I would never blow my own trumpet to tell you and Goanet what a great Goan contributor I've been. (Would have said this earlier, but was curious to see how you would respond to my earlier rejoinder, which, characteristically, you chose not to.) If truth be told, I think I have 'contributed' nothing, but am now, in my own little way and in my area of competence, hoping to contribute something in the near future. == ( a response based on the teachings of Shri Winston Germao)== Dears, Normally, when Valmiki says/writes something, I dare not challenge him. Alas, today, I must - for I believe that Valmiki is not stating the truth (as we all should know it - by now) Valmiki says that He has contributed nothing. And yet, I read his contributions every week. How can Valmiki tell us untruths? How can he be contributing and yet claim to be not contributing. I humbly ask. Columns and Columns is what Greek and Roman architecture is all about. That is what Valmiki does almost every week. Contribute columns. And Yet, he says: He is not contributing. Wah re Wah ...Valmiki jc ps: I do not keep company with Digambars. There are some beaches in the West which are commandeered by Digambars and Digambaris. Are they responsible for 'environmental degradation' or just the presevation of natural habitat? I do not know. What I know is that there is a distinct possibility that a Tourism Minister from Goa (or Cecil Pinto) might consider a fact finding mission to be a priority.
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Dear Samir, I see that you've not changed the subject line (and that's how I got to this mail from you), so I will respond. You say (and I know) that you were away from Goa, pursuing specialised education around 1985, but would it not behove a person of learning as you to first enquire, before dashing off the mail you did under the captioned subject ... asking me to say, what I perceived, to be blowing my own trumpet? I can imagine you're a busy technocrat, with no time to think (or make local enquiries, when you have all the means to do so) before dashing off a mail to Goanet. Does IT education in the US in such few years make one lose human niceties -- and Goenkarponn? Do me the favour and tell me fast ... so I can stop children of close friends now headed in that direction ... and at least one in my own immediate family who will want to follow to the US in about a year from now! (The *trumpet* was in reference to what you wanted me to say, not about what you had to say about yourself.) Taking this discussion any further will make us run around in circles. Take a bit of my advice, take some time off your professional life, for your love of Goa. Sit at *Bombay Cafe* and eat some batatawadas not far away from your father's Margao residence. But keep your ears open and listen to the talk. (Don't complain I didn't caution you that you'd have heard all the listed languages in India's Sahitya Akademy and maybe more!) Seek the answers you want, realtime, in situ. In the meantime, let's end this discussion here (maybe I join you for batatawadas at Bombay Cafe.) No thanks due for me saying I would be an *unfit* politician -- in the Goa of today. I was (un)fortunate to have been brought up in a particular mould that imbibed certain values during childhood. Those values are entirely incompatible with what it takes to be a successful politician today. How could I ever think of becoming a successful 'neta'? (Besides, please remember I like the old Country-n-Western song, Do what you do well, son, do what you do, do well.) If I'm not confident of doing a good job, I'd never take it. (This, of course, does not cover when you and Uday Barad start shooting from the hips, at me ha!) Samir, please don't go overboard with blockheaded questions ... forget me accepting an MLA ticket, wasn't Udaybab Bhembre (an eminent person) already elected MLA from Margao? Did he make a difference? Will you care to ask him why he did not recontest? Was he made of the stuff of the stereotype politician? Answer these questions, and you'd know my reply. I wasn't on mining when referring to Avdhoot Timblo, I referred to him because you specifically bracketed me with a big men like him Digu asking all detail their Contribution to Goa. We all know that mining is bad. We all know that economics knows no ethics. But from among Goa's 1950s mining families, Avdhoot and his wife Anju do come off as people with some Goenkarponn left in them -- among few peers on this score, as I said before. I wasn't talking about the virtues of mining when I referred to Timblo. I think many enlightened Goans will have already known that mining is a slow killer -- at least in South Goa. It's been slowly poisoning the Selaulim reservoir and before you or I know it, more than half of South Goa will be dead. I think you ought to know (unless you shoot off another question to someone else on Goanet) that there are AT LEAST four ministers involved in 100+ illegal mines in Goa, some close to the banks of Selaulim. Who's going to stop these guys? Not Sebastian from Siolim. He has already been branded a Naxalite. And fixed with lawsuits in Calcutta. So who will bell the act? Not me, to be sure! Tell you, what, Samir. Take a bit of time off, and bite into batatawadas at Bombay Cafe! And before you shoot off another one at me maybe days, months or years down the line, DON'T use words like shut up. If you've learnt them in America, use them there. I'm a shudd Goenkar. Rgds, v - Original Message - From: samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Hi Valmiki: Thanks for an elaborate response. Obviously, your great experience in the public field shows in your response. However, first a few points to clarify. Perhaps you have not read my response properly. I have clearly stated that my contribution is not much. So, where does this trumpet thing come from ? Thanks for setting the record straight. Though I know of your contributions vaguely, the point is I was out of India from 1985 onwards, so I wouldnt know the details. You are indeed someone a lot of people look upto because of your past contributions. I will elaborate the other points you have mentioned at one go. Thanks for honestly admitting that you are not fit to be a politician, but dont you think the situation is dire enough in Goa for someone like you --- even
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
My dear Valmikibaba, It is with great pleasure that I advise you of the following: 1: One cannot be 'sued' for perjury, only 'charged' 2: Unless you become 'Gorrment', you cannot charge anybody (me included) for 'perjury' BTW: Perjury involves Giving False Testimony under Oath I was not even under the influence of Oats - when I wrote my post. Recommendation: Either become the Sarkar or find a knowledgeable advogado. best wishes as always jc == Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com wrote Dear doutor Josebab, Come to Goa. I'll sue you for perjury! Rgds, v
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Valmikibab: First of all I am in Goa today. If you want me to join you in Bombay Cafe my number is (0)-98450-44403. You can also call my father's residence at 2732874. btw, my father mentioned to me that you are now into business and real estate. If that is true, then should I also take it that you are also party to converting the green fields and mountains of Goa into a concrete jungle ? Please correct me if I am wrong, I am all ears. I see that you are making a big deal of shut up. No that is what I learnt here in Goem, not in America. In fact, all the bad words that I learnt in konkani and shut up btw is not one of them were learnt here in Madgaon. So, dont give me that bull about Goemkar-ponn. In fact, it is real Goenkar-ponn that made me post the first post. Sure, we will give you all the laurels for the past work, but as is in my profession in IT, so is in today's world --- one is as good as one is now. Today, the situation is dire (and I dont think you are stupid enough not to notice the caveat in my post and I repeat it here) Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! samir With the brains that you have Valmikibab, you couldnt have not noticed the last few years that I mentioned re: contribution. To summarize, I feel the situation in Goa is dire. It is possible that Goans in Goa --- Timblo, Digu, you included --- cannot see it may be being caught up. We from outside who visit Goa often (I am here once in two months at least) can see it. If we are shouting, it is not to put down any of you -- it is for the concern of Goa. Let us join up --- each of us do have our own limitations I agree -- to save Goa. Awaiting your call for that bhaji in BC! regards, Samir --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa To: samir_kele...@yahoo.com, Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 8:43 PM Dear Samir, I see that you've not changed the subject line (and that's how I got to this mail from you), so I will respond. You say (and I know) that you were away from Goa, pursuing specialised education around 1985, but would it not behove a person of learning as you to first enquire, before dashing off the mail you did under the captioned subject ... asking me to say, what I perceived, to be blowing my own trumpet? I can imagine you're a busy technocrat, with no time to think (or make local enquiries, when you have all the means to do so) before dashing off a mail to Goanet. Does IT education in the US in such few years make one lose human niceties -- and Goenkarponn? Do me the favour and tell me fast ... so I can stop children of close friends now headed in that direction ... and at least one in my own immediate family who will want to follow to the US in about a year from now! (The *trumpet* was in reference to what you wanted me to say, not about what you had to say about yourself.) Taking this discussion any further will make us run around in circles. Take a bit of my advice, take some time off your professional life, for your love of Goa. Sit at *Bombay Cafe* and eat some batatawadas not far away from your father's Margao residence. But keep your ears open and listen to the talk. (Don't complain I didn't caution you that you'd have heard all the listed languages in India's Sahitya Akademy and maybe more!) Seek the answers you want, realtime, in situ. In the meantime, let's end this discussion here (maybe I join you for batatawadas at Bombay Cafe.) No thanks due for me saying I would be an *unfit* politician -- in the Goa of today. I was (un)fortunate to have been brought up in a particular mould that imbibed certain values during childhood. Those values are entirely incompatible with what it takes to be a successful politician today. How could I ever think of becoming a successful 'neta'? (Besides, please remember I like the old Country-n-Western song, Do what you do well, son, do what you do, do well.) If I'm not confident of doing a good job, I'd never take it. (This, of course, does not cover when you and Uday Barad start shooting from the hips, at me ha!) Samir, please don't go overboard with blockheaded questions ... forget me accepting an MLA ticket, wasn't Udaybab Bhembre (an eminent person) already elected MLA from Margao? Did he make a difference? Will you care to ask him why he did not recontest? Was he made of the stuff of the stereotype politician? Answer these questions, and you'd know my reply. I wasn't on mining when
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
In a quiet corner of the magnificent St. Paul's Cathedral, on Ludgate Hill on London, is a plaque to Sir Christopher Wren: lector, si monumentum requiris, circumspice (reader, if you seek his memorial, look around you) Four centuries later, the same wisdom is offered those who know nothing of Valmiki Faleiro, and seek to be enlightened. His selfless record at Margao Municipality, his wonderful literary contributions, his concrete stance against corrupt bureaucracy, his firm resolve always, stand before him. There are none so blind as those who will not see. How apt, that another great baroque poet from Wren's time, John Milton, penned that marvellous sonnet On His Blindness, to describe just this quandary - that every man has his own station in life, and the contribution of many is hidden. Even if you knew nothing of Valmiki, read Milton's final lines. Francis. ___ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:09:11 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa My dear Valmikibaba, It is with great pleasure that I advise you of the following: 1: One cannot be 'sued' for perjury, only 'charged' 2: Unless you become 'Gorrment', you cannot charge anybody (me included) for 'perjury' BTW: Perjury involves Giving False Testimony under Oath I was not even under the influence of Oats - when I wrote my post. Recommendation: Either become the Sarkar or find a knowledgeable advogado. best wishes as always jc == Valmiki Faleiro wrote Dear doutor Josebab, Come to Goa. I'll sue you for perjury! Rgds, v _ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Samir, Before you ask, follow your own rule stated below, and tell me what your own contribution to Goa has been in the past few years. Then, maybe, I understand what you want to know about me. Jai ho! v - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! samir
[Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Are we up to discussing joke about trios who are projecting themselves as savers of Goa! If so I take liberty to explain this joke in nut shell. Timblo is finishing Goa at one end and projecting himself that he is for welfare of Goa at other side of Goa! Digambar helps Timblo for all his misdeeds by even passing special ordinance to protect Timblo to circumvent Supreme Court orders!! And Valmiki is doing good patch-up work to calm down Goans on all the misdeeds done by Timblo Digambar!!! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: And Valmiki is doing good patch-up work to calm down Goans on all the misdeeds done by Timblo Digambar!!! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad - Barad, At least we know there is one sort of patch-up work Valmiki has not done. Posting articles by others and pretending they are his own work. Selma
[Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Samir Kelekar wrote: Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! Dear Samir, Both Valmiki and Digambar have stood in elections for public office and won. They have served terms in these offices and thus automatically have contributed to Goa and Goans. I agree with you that Mathany is relatively a better choice than the others but if you are asking anyone who is critical to first show what is their contribution to Goa then you should go first. What Samir is your contribution ot Goa and is it more (or better) than that of the three you have named above? Cheers! Cecil P.S. Before Samir asks; I have not contributed anything to Goa but I do believe I have made a few Goans laugh occasionally.
[Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Carvalho wrote: Barad, At least we know there is one sort of patch-up work Valmiki has not done. Posting articles by others and pretending they are his own work.. Selma Selma, Writing articles or posting articles of others or writing provocations can in no way save Goa.And if you have made contributions to save GOA than the trio in question please let Goanet know about it! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
below when you replied to Cecil.) Else, you won't get another response from me! Rgds, v - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Samir Kelekar wrote: Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! Dear Samir, Both Valmiki and Digambar have stood in elections for public office and won. They have served terms in these offices and thus automatically have contributed to Goa and Goans. I agree with you that Mathany is relatively a better choice than the others but if you are asking anyone who is critical to first show what is their contribution to Goa then you should go first. What Samir is your contribution ot Goa and is it more (or better) than that of the three you have named above? Cheers! Cecil P.S. Before Samir asks; I have not contributed anything to Goa but I do believe I have made a few Goans laugh occasionally. - Original Message - From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: [Goanet] Contributions to Goa --- Cecil Cecil says that Valmiki, Digamber have won public office and so have automatically contributed to Goa. While I dont want to comment on specific cases, and I will take their answer at face value, Cecil seems extremely naive about the whole concept of holding office. The raking of crores on holding office is a criminal activity and cannot be by any means called contribution to Goa. Indeed Valmiki himself through his column told us of crores that are being raked in by some of the current ministers. As to what are my contributions. They arent much but surely whatever little they are, I am extremely proud of. As a director of Infotech corporation, I have fulfilled my duty keeping in mind the highest tradition of serving the people. Though I could have easily raked in crores, I have not just refused but exposed those who were doing so. I have got at least one direct offer to hold another position with an offer to make crores in bribe money but i have refused to do so. Let Digambar come out in the open and say the same thing about himself and my vote will be for the Congress. Let Auduth Timblo come out and say he is not destroying Goa and I will be with him. As to Valmiki, I leave it to him to answer the question. Sure I know Valmiki has contributed to the public but that was a while back. As we know the situtation has gone worse in the last few years, the temptations have become more, and it is more and more difficult to be upright in these days. Certainly, I am not accusing Valmiki but I would have expected him to lead the Save Goa fight. A person with his experience was what was needed now. I am wondering why he is taking an ambivalent stand at this crucial juncture. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Dear Selma and Uday, I can't be harsh with people like Uday (Dr. UG Barad) and Dr. Samir Kelekar. Because I personally knew/know their respective dads, both Margao residents, and both honourable men. But it's at times pointless discussing with people who keep shifting their premises. I've just signed off and sent a response to Samir, requesting him to refrain from doing this if he thinks he can engage me in any meaningful discussion, almost on the same thread. Here, Uday postgraduates me from questions about being a contributor to Goa in recent times, to being its saviour -- in league with my friend, Churchill Alemao. While I'm glad that Churchill's only family-run football club in India has recently been adjudged No.1 in the country, what more can I say about shifting goalposts? But let's give Uday his due. He spoke of an assumed joke (and I hope Samir won't take offence at being adduced as the joker!) Uday's jocular explanation is a good joke. Bachhon, thaali bhajao! On fact, on all three counts, it's a different joke. Let's leave it here. Best to both, v - Original Message - From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: Barad, At least we know there is one sort of patch-up work Valmiki has not done. Posting articles by others and pretending they are his own work. Selma - Original Message - From: Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa Are we up to discussing joke about trios who are projecting themselves as savers of Goa! If so I take liberty to explain this joke in nut shell. Timblo is finishing Goa at one end and projecting himself that he is for welfare of Goa at other side of Goa! Digambar helps Timblo for all his misdeeds by even passing special ordinance to protect Timblo to circumvent Supreme Court orders!! And Valmiki is doing good patch-up work to calm down Goans on all the misdeeds done by Timblo Digambar!!! Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Yes, Barad, I have made big contributions to Goa. Everytime I go on holiday to Goa, I still take atleast 2 three boxes of Maggi cubes. Now, in post-liberation India this is not much of a contribution but in my parents' time, Maggi cubes was the big thing. My mother used to take atleast 10 boxes and distribute them in the village. These cubes were used to make the best pulau, served at festa time. A lot of people ate this pulau, followed by a good belch and afternoon nap. They woke up feeling life is good and worth living. Now just imagine this for 3 to 4 decades my family has contributed maggi cubes to Goa. That is a lot of good pulau and a lot of good belches. What have you done? best, selma --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Dr. U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: Writing articles or posting articles of others or writing provocations can in no way save Goa.And if you have made contributions to save GOA than the trio in question please let Goanet know about it!
Re: [Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
2009/4/21 Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com I would never blow my own trumpet to tell you and Goanet what a great Goan contributor I've been. (Would have said this earlier, but was curious to see how you would respond to my earlier rejoinder, which, characteristically, you chose not to.) If truth be told, I think I have 'contributed' nothing, but am now, in my own little way and in my area of competence, hoping to contribute something in the near future. == ( a response based on the teachings of Shri Winston Germao)== Dears, Normally, when Valmiki says/writes something, I dare not challenge him. Alas, today, I must - for I believe that Valmiki is not stating the truth (as we all should know it - by now) Valmiki says that He has contributed nothing. And yet, I read his contributions every week. How can Valmiki tell us untruths? How can he be contributing and yet claim to be not contributing. I humbly ask. Columns and Columns is what Greek and Roman architecture is all about. That is what Valmiki does almost every week. Contribute columns. And Yet, he says: He is not contributing. Wah re Wah ...Valmiki jc ps: I do not keep company with Digambars. There are some beaches in the West which are commandeered by Digambars and Digambaris. Are they responsible for 'environmental degradation' or just the presevation of natural habitat? I do not know. What I know is that there is a distinct possibility that a Tourism Minister from Goa (or Cecil Pinto) might consider a fact finding mission to be a priority.
[Goanet] Contribution of Valmiki, Digambar, Timblo to Goa
Jesus said --- let him throw the first stone who has not created any sin. I would like to know the contribution of the following to Goa in the past few years. 1) Valmiki Faliero. 2) Digambar Kamat 3) Auduth Timblo. Only when they have done so, they have the right to comment on Mathany. Otherwise, they ought to shut up!! Jai Hind! samir
