[Goanet] Cornel's long-awaited comeback
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org Hi Cornel, Welcome back into circulation. I am glad to see your computer has made a recovery. Likely both it and you are rearing to go - only God knows where.:=)) Also with the summer break, many of you in academics may have a lot of free-time on your hands. To make your response on the Goan caste issue more logical and relevant, let me try and be more helpful i.e. more blunt, than I was in my last posts. It appears you did not get the hint. There may be more caste issues and other "superiority complex / attitudes" among Goans in London and UK, especially those who left Goa long time ago, than among Goans who grew up in Goa-Bombay and rest of India. These latter Goans had ample opportunities to mingle, grow and be educated with a wide-cross section of Goans and Indians. I am not trying to disparage a broad section of the Goan community in the UK. Yet perhaps this may be the major reason for the bee-in-your-bonnet, given your limited interaction of down to earth Goans. Those who seek to condemn me for making this suggestion, should really be directing their posts and ire at you. They should explain YOUR problem of Goan caste in England in general and London in particular. BTW, in case you have missed it, many Goanetters in addition to me, have written posts, condemning Catholic posters who sermonize and "beat their chests" about caste among today's Goan Catholics. Most Goans who talk about other people's caste, use the issue to hide their own ignorance and poor upbringing. More recently, again in case you missed it, Bhandare tirade about Goan Catholics condemning Manu, was a direct response to posts like YOURS about Indian caste. Perhaps this link may appear in your "international paper". (saiba bogos:=)). Yet I did not see you respond to Bhandare. So I look forward to your post about Goan caste. Pray, do not play the same rebbec and repeat what you have said before.:=)) Kind Regards, GL
[Goanet] Cornel's long awaited comeback
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Dear Gilbert: Before being a member of Goanet I was under the impression that formal education encourages people to be more liberal But the archives, exchanges on goanet and thru mails received in private I am convinced that inspite of being educated many posters here: 1. deliberately confuse other peoples gender (possibly to make up for lack of any other argument or merely for cheap humor) 2. indulge in gratutious name calling and verbal intimidation (ironically in support of tolerance) 3.Grossly misrepresent facts and statements of other people whose views they dont agree with (includes doctors,journalists, sundry financial gurus,etc) 4. Condone pedophilia, and religious persecution of indigenous population (because it seems our ancestors were uncivilised pagans worshipping snakes and stones and also because that practice is the root cause why India is backward) 5.Spread outright falsehoods and absurd theories related but not limited to tourism in Goa, origins of fundamentalism I hope more people can elaborate on thse points Regards Bhandare Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim & internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] Cornel's long awaited comeback
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org Hi Cornel, Thanks for your post. From the first paragraph in your recent response (see below), it would appear that your remarks to the Catholic Cardinal of London (see below from your prior post) were not really true. You mean to say you actually "fotti matha" to of all persons the Cardinal of London? Ok, he is not the Anglican Arch-bishop of Canterbury. Do you know people have gone to the Tower of London for confusing the Archbishop of Canterbury? Back to your contradictory statements, this disconnect raises a lot of questions. Like your friend across the pond, please do not come up with some lame explanations. Or Bommaim amchem tempar munta "cockamamie excuses".:=)) Did you have this term in Nairobi? As to the remainder of your post, it is the same old ... same old.:=)) Additionally, you have shifted from "caste among Goans" to "Gilbert's views ". Thanks for giving much consideration to my views and for telling me what I am saying. Yet just because you and a few others make a claim, it does not become a statement of fact. Remember Goebels, stated (to the effect) "lie often enough and soon, it will be accepted as truth". Bhandare gave you a pretty good summary of the issue of caste in India and Goa. I suggest you stick with that in your IP (International Paper). You in turn will provide Bhandare ample material for his writings or for the RSS web site. To what Bhandare said, I may add, for the benefit of the Goan victims, that any discrimination (caste, religion, economic, social status, region, state of origin, skin color, hair texture, beauty etc.) is overcome through education, hard work and job mobility. All Indians have access to all of them. The Catholic Church has been in the forefront of education irrespective of the above discriminatory factors. While caste considerations undoubtedly exists in India, Goa and in the West, many use this excuse (victims of discrimination) in Goa, India and the Diaspora for not working hard and progressing up the academic and economic ladder. The next generation of "lower caste Goans" are / will be the school and college dropouts, and again we will see national and international papers terming it discrimination. Kind Regards, GL CORNEL DACOSTA Let me provide a brief response to you in your mistaken view that somehow Catholic Goan caste matters afflict places like the UK. Thankfully, they barely do if at all. CORNEL DACOSTA However, I did get a chance to have a five minute conversation with the Cardinal in a one to one situation. He expressed much praise, to me, for the Catholic Goans in London. But I did put him right by disclosing, to his seeming astonishment, but clear understanding, that many Catholic Goans carried caste racism in their hearts and minds.
