Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Preetily done...Avertan... Whatever the textile/mode suitabilities to our varied sub-continental climes, dear Ven, coulde'nt we say that portly Avertano, however porkly sweaty he may have been (bellow), has sufficiently made up for his saffron-boss, Parrikars', alleged/perceived sartorial lapse? http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=13597boxid=3757234uid=dat=1/27/2014 Chachaalways blissfully happy with hardly covered loins Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:13:20 -0500 From: venantius.pi...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM Moving away from what he wears consider that suits or simply jackets may be made from linen, KHADI, and other materials. They do not need to have a lining (fourr, excuse spelling). We are not talking of furr zan’op (to throw a tantrum). They breathe much better than the synthetics (normally used). Certainly points worth considering. SO, note the point about material and materiality to DOVETAIL with choices. Moving on below… But suffice it to say that individuals make choices for a range of reasons as also non-reasons. Let us briefly look at some: • what ones wears or does not is based on certain philosophies or beliefs (not as often thought by many to be religion) • awareness of ideas and the desire and ability to encompass in ones lived aesthetic and to showcase symbolically • to suggest that all parties babble Gandhi, Gandhi but then go to bush this, and shrub that — bush shirts or those low hanging cooltas (kurtas), that belong in mujras. (Umrao Jahaan, Pakeezah, etc al) • to form alignments via ones poshak (not preen or for that matter simper as at Poshak Utsav of the frak (weak) mind) WITH specific groups some of the time, or at all times • attitudes and other emotive constructions which we may not know about • perhaps even lack of interest to consider anything, AS ALSO being content, as also simply lack of awareness + + + One small note: In Japan when I am involved in certain rituals we wear traditional underwear not something modern as in the brands. What is the POINT of pointing this out. Simply that in India, other than those diehards who attend the Kumbhs: Purna and Ardh, those who will not settle for changes just cause its upon them, those who dip into temple ponds, and perform certain ritual and ceremonial ablutions simply settle for their briefs, and NBA style long shorts. It says something about them. Many are of the comfortably bush shirt wearing crowd no less. The Gods for their part are surely chuckling. Now I do not want to hear anything telling me there is nothing wrong in this. I know that, but make the connections yourselves. And I will not be responding to anything inane. venantius j pinto On 1/24/14, Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com wrote: i saw our chief minister dressed in bush shirt . Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear suits in cold countries. I know that people even go to work in suits in cold countries but wearing a suit in hot and humid state of Goa is stupidity. I have often seen men dressing in suits for the feast in month of May and going in a procession and sweating like pigs. It is very uncomfortable. Many times going for a wedding wearing a suit in hot weather is not pleasent at all. I feel that the chief minister is justified in wearing a shirt and pant as that is comfortable in this hot and humid weather.
Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Agree Sire Alfred but we are not talking about Parrikars’ lapse, hence I began with: Moving away from what he wears consider that suits… My point as always was precise, a practiced skill, but I will not say more since we Goans (not you) can get very petty about precision and self-worth. Anyway, thus far other than your graciousness, it been ignored, misunderstood or whatever. There is that option for those who choose it to wear linen, khadi, and other fabric that lets the dermis perform its act. I am always very particular and specific, So my point was about possibilities and pointing to its OK to dress in Bush shirts crowd — that its all cool, but remember there are other materials before one simply drops the weather issue on anyones brains. Wake up. thats all. Wake up and do not present some half thought out contexts. By all means celebrate freedom but understand possibilities, but no one agreed so far, but we got a lot of jive about personal choices, weather, and F*% knows what. Anyway, it appears that some of the shannas (smart alecs) got bitch-slapped. This will keep happening unless people understand that sometimes its better to step back and not babble about pert constructs when there are options THAT IS IF ONE WANTS TO PRACTICE other options. OR at least give a vis-a-vis scenario. Say I we get it but WE VEER towards MAINTAINING such and such status quo. No issues if one does not CARE. Move further, the logic I presented is hard to dick around with. Its next to impossible to attack it, unless in some smarmy fashion. So much smarm, so much smarm, BUT very little intellectual gaam (sweat). I do not understand why Avertano is walking while saluting, or am I mistaken. It takes some practice, or at least rehearsals upon rehearsals. Thank you. + Venantius J Pinto On 1/27/14, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: Preetily done...Avertan... Whatever the textile/mode suitabilities to our varied sub-continental climes, dear Ven, coulde'nt we say that portly Avertano, however porkly sweaty he may have been (bellow), has sufficiently made up for his saffron-boss, Parrikars', alleged/perceived sartorial lapse? http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=13597boxid=3757234uid=dat=1/27/2014 Chachaalways blissfully happy with hardly covered loins Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:13:20 -0500 From: venantius.pi...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM Moving away from what he wears consider that suits or simply jackets may be made from linen, KHADI, and other materials. They do not need to have a lining (fourr, excuse spelling). We are not talking of furr zan’op (to throw a tantrum). They breathe much better than the synthetics (normally used). Certainly points worth considering. SO, note the point about material and materiality to DOVETAIL with choices. Moving on below… But suffice it to say that individuals make choices for a range of reasons as also non-reasons. Let us briefly look at some: • what ones wears or does not is based on certain philosophies or beliefs (not as often thought by many to be religion) • awareness of ideas and the desire and ability to encompass in ones lived aesthetic and to showcase symbolically • to suggest that all parties babble Gandhi, Gandhi but then go to bush this, and shrub that — bush shirts or those low hanging cooltas (kurtas), that belong in mujras. (Umrao Jahaan, Pakeezah, etc al) • to form alignments via ones poshak (not preen or for that matter simper as at Poshak Utsav of the frak (weak) mind) WITH specific groups some of the time, or at all times • attitudes and other emotive constructions which we may not know about • perhaps even lack of interest to consider anything, AS ALSO being content, as also simply lack of awareness + + + One small note: In Japan when I am involved in certain rituals we wear traditional underwear not something modern as in the brands. What is the POINT of pointing this out. Simply that in India, other than those diehards who attend the Kumbhs: Purna and Ardh, those who will not settle for changes just cause its upon them, those who dip into temple ponds, and perform certain ritual and ceremonial ablutions simply settle for their briefs, and NBA style long shorts. It says something about them. Many are of the comfortably bush shirt wearing crowd no less. The Gods for their part are surely chuckling. Now I do not want to hear anything telling me there is nothing wrong in this. I know that, but make the connections yourselves. And I will not be responding to anything inane. venantius j pinto On 1/24/14, Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com wrote: i saw our chief minister dressed in bush shirt . Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear
Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Dear Anna Maria, Why not Kasti?? That is more comfortable, is it not? You either change with times or stay like the pig... your word not mine! Have a nICE dAY Seb Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:55:32 + From: Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com i saw our chief minister dressed in bush shirt . Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear suits in cold countries. I know that people even go to work in suits in cold countries but wearing a suit in hot and humid state of Goa is stupidity. I have often seen men dressing in suits for the feast in month of May and going in a procession and sweating like pigs. It is very uncomfortable. Many times going for a wedding wearing a suit in hot weather is not pleasent at all. I feel that the chief minister is justified in wearing a shirt and pant as that is comfortable in this hot and humid weather. End of Goanet Digest, Vol 9, Issue 59 *
Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Moving away from what he wears consider that suits or simply jackets may be made from linen, KHADI, and other materials. They do not need to have a lining (fourr, excuse spelling). We are not talking of furr zan’op (to throw a tantrum). They breathe much better than the synthetics (normally used). Certainly points worth considering. SO, note the point about material and materiality to DOVETAIL with choices. Moving on below… But suffice it to say that individuals make choices for a range of reasons as also non-reasons. Let us briefly look at some: • what ones wears or does not is based on certain philosophies or beliefs (not as often thought by many to be religion) • awareness of ideas and the desire and ability to encompass in ones lived aesthetic and to showcase symbolically • to suggest that all parties babble Gandhi, Gandhi but then go to bush this, and shrub that — bush shirts or those low hanging cooltas (kurtas), that belong in mujras. (Umrao Jahaan, Pakeezah, etc al) • to form alignments via ones poshak (not preen or for that matter simper as at Poshak Utsav of the frak (weak) mind) WITH specific groups some of the time, or at all times • attitudes and other emotive constructions which we may not know about • perhaps even lack of interest to consider anything, AS ALSO being content, as also simply lack of awareness + + + One small note: In Japan when I am involved in certain rituals we wear traditional underwear not something modern as in the brands. What is the POINT of pointing this out. Simply that in India, other than those diehards who attend the Kumbhs: Purna and Ardh, those who will not settle for changes just cause its upon them, those who dip into temple ponds, and perform certain ritual and ceremonial ablutions simply settle for their briefs, and NBA style long shorts. It says something about them. Many are of the comfortably bush shirt wearing crowd no less. The Gods for their part are surely chuckling. Now I do not want to hear anything telling me there is nothing wrong in this. I know that, but make the connections yourselves. And I will not be responding to anything inane. venantius j pinto On 1/24/14, Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_n...@hotmail.com wrote: i saw our chief minister dressed in bush shirt . Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear suits in cold countries. I know that people even go to work in suits in cold countries but wearing a suit in hot and humid state of Goa is stupidity. I have often seen men dressing in suits for the feast in month of May and going in a procession and sweating like pigs. It is very uncomfortable. Many times going for a wedding wearing a suit in hot weather is not pleasent at all. I feel that the chief minister is justified in wearing a shirt and pant as that is comfortable in this hot and humid weather.
[Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoronha at gmail.com on Fri Jan 24 12:33:24 PST 2014 wrote: Just btw, I did get married in an off-white kurta-pjama. Something like this http://bit.ly/1jKItEU Nobody complained. (If they did, I would have treated it as their problem, not mine.) I found it comfortable, simple and more in keeping with my approach to life. Would anyone have a problem with that? (Subsequently, I have gone about in a suit, but my approach is: avoidable.)…. We are revealing our bias in deciding what is 'right' and 'wrong'. This is as apt as someone else deciding whether Sikhs should be allowed to wear turbans, whether Muslim women ought to feel comfortable in burqas or not, and so on…. RESPONSE: I do not blame you Mr. Frederick; Dress Code is not taught to journalists. It is taught to professionals. (Mind you, not self acclaimed professionals!) Little wonder the Churches and temples had to step in to put up notices outside Churches and Temples all over the world as to what is appropriate dressing to enter them. Turban Burqas are religious diktats and are only infringed upon for Safety or Security reasons. By the way Mr. Frederick, you could have worn a bush shirt, Khaki pants and sandals for your wedding. You would look like the present CM; ORYou could have imitated Karamchand instead of trying to imitate Hindi film stars. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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FN, your line of comparison-reasoning is off the target. FdRF has a valid point. The point is this: Goans expect their CM to dress formally for a formal occasion (be it western or Indian formal). That is one of the traits that makes us Goans. A bush shirt and trousers is neither. Both you and Ana Maria have gone tangential on this while the Falcon-King has made the appropriate projection. Now, important as you are to Goanet and to the Goan cyber world, you are not the CM or a high publicly elected representative of the people. Nor is the Falcon asking anyone to legislate anything. He is merely asking for dress appropriate to the occasion. Roland. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Date: 24-01-2014 3:33 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM On 24 January 2014 23:51, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com wrote: Very true Ana Maria. When your children get married, will you find them stupid for wearing a suit or a wedding gown? Would you tell them to get married in a bush shirt or jeans and a t-shirt? Just btw, I did get married in an off-white kurta-pjama. Something like this http://bit.ly/1jKItEU Nobody complained. (If they did, I would have treated it as their problem, not mine.) I found it comfortable, simple and more in keeping with my approach to life. Would anyone have a problem with that? (Subsequently, I have gone about in a suit, but my approach is: avoidable.) I do believe that the chief minister deserves to be criticised. But the clothes he wears should be 99th or 127th on the list of issues to criticise him over. There are in fact a lot of class and/or cultural biases in deciding what is apt clothing. We are revealing our bias in deciding what is 'right' and 'wrong'. This is as apt as someone else deciding whether Sikhs should be allowed to wear turbans, whether Muslim women ought to feel comfortable in burqas or not, and so on. To my mind, this is all relative to what we believe and see as apt. See a cartoon which makes the point appropriately. So true: http://sglx3.netsarius.com/~rimasg/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/burqas-or-bikinis-L-FQ9zzd.jpeg Next we will start legislating what someone else's children should be studying in schools, what dialect and script should serve as their medium of instruction, what can be acceptable mother tongues, and what not! Go forward a bit and we should also be thinking about what religion people follow (foreign or Indian). Or what garb is suitable for a woman at what age in her life! Let not our intolerance show. FN -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436
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@Dr Falcao: Phew! Your goalposts are shifting... You told Ana Maria: Very true Ana Maria. When your children get married, will you find them stupid for wearing a suit or a wedding gown? My point was that I *did* get married in a non-suit! I have no problem whatsoever with being dismissed as a professional. But I'd like to say your saratorial biases are class-defined. @Roland Francis: The point is this: Goans expect their CM to dress formally for a formal occasion (be it western or Indian formal). This is a better way of putting across the argument. Reading Dr Falcao, one gets the impression that only suits are acceptable garb. Anyway, I would still say that there are better points on which the CM can be critiqued, rather than his dress sense. This is just the packaging; what is the substance? FN On 25 January 2014 09:52, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com wrote: RESPONSE: I do not blame you Mr. Frederick; Dress Code is not taught to journalists. It is taught to professionals. (Mind you, not self acclaimed professionals!) -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436
[Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
i saw our chief minister dressed in bush shirt . Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear suits in cold countries. I know that people even go to work in suits in cold countries but wearing a suit in hot and humid state of Goa is stupidity. I have often seen men dressing in suits for the feast in month of May and going in a procession and sweating like pigs. It is very uncomfortable. Many times going for a wedding wearing a suit in hot weather is not pleasent at all. I feel that the chief minister is justified in wearing a shirt and pant as that is comfortable in this hot and humid weather.
[Goanet] Dress well Mr.CM
Ana Maria Fernandes amferns_naik at hotmail.com on Fri Jan 24 07:55:32 PST 2014 wrote: Many of us must have made a statement that our chief minister does not dress well and to the occassion. But I cannot understand why must the chief minister wear a suit ? People wear suits in cold countries. I know that people even go to work in suits in cold countries but wearing a suit in hot and humid state of Goa is stupidity. I have often seen men dressing in suits for the feast in month of May and going in a procession and sweating like pigs. It is very uncomfortable. Many times going for a wedding wearing a suit in hot weather is not pleasent at all. I feel that the chief minister is justified in wearing a shirt and pant as that is comfortable in this hot and humid weather. COMMENT: Very true Ana Maria. When your children get married, will you find them stupid for wearing a suit or a wedding gown? Would you tell them to get married in a bush shirt or jeans and a t-shirt? You know Ana Maria, in Goa during the days gone by, due to the heat humidity, many used to just wear a ‘Kashtti’. That was pleasant as the body exposed to the wind cooled down. I’m sure you would not object someone coming in this dress code? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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On 24 January 2014 23:51, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com wrote: Very true Ana Maria. When your children get married, will you find them stupid for wearing a suit or a wedding gown? Would you tell them to get married in a bush shirt or jeans and a t-shirt? Just btw, I did get married in an off-white kurta-pjama. Something like this http://bit.ly/1jKItEU Nobody complained. (If they did, I would have treated it as their problem, not mine.) I found it comfortable, simple and more in keeping with my approach to life. Would anyone have a problem with that? (Subsequently, I have gone about in a suit, but my approach is: avoidable.) I do believe that the chief minister deserves to be criticised. But the clothes he wears should be 99th or 127th on the list of issues to criticise him over. There are in fact a lot of class and/or cultural biases in deciding what is apt clothing. We are revealing our bias in deciding what is 'right' and 'wrong'. This is as apt as someone else deciding whether Sikhs should be allowed to wear turbans, whether Muslim women ought to feel comfortable in burqas or not, and so on. To my mind, this is all relative to what we believe and see as apt. See a cartoon which makes the point appropriately. So true: http://sglx3.netsarius.com/~rimasg/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/burqas-or-bikinis-L-FQ9zzd.jpeg Next we will start legislating what someone else's children should be studying in schools, what dialect and script should serve as their medium of instruction, what can be acceptable mother tongues, and what not! Go forward a bit and we should also be thinking about what religion people follow (foreign or Indian). Or what garb is suitable for a woman at what age in her life! Let not our intolerance show. FN -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436
