Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
A few minutes ago I had decided that I would really not get into a non Goan issue anymore, and after this post will adhere with my decision. Now, what Ms Coelho says below is correct, and there is more to this which is not worth getting into. Many things happened right from the first week of the presidency. The Pres Obama is a player---a big one. The Nobel prize did not enlighten Obama at all. I doubt whether the NP is a koan to bring about satori. Not one bit. In addition, if this bill had not passed his Presidency was finished. His Presidency would not have recovered. It practically appears to be shredded and more so on account a few things currently in play. I personally do not feel he believed in bipartisanship and that it would work. All this crap about socialism etc., is also nonsense. This does not mean it will not be viewed as socialism; just that work are thrown to elicit responses. The language used in America is very, very complex. Much better to observe from afar, and not get too excited. Much better to read something on Goa and post that. Perhaps he and his advisers simply could not envisage what he was against. Basically, people will get helped on account of the Bill, and many will get screwed, But the players across both parties have done well, and have served the insurance companies admirably so. We like to believe in goodness and should but with eyes wide open. If we did not, things would get really weird. So keep those senses open, and even if someone seems to be doing good by you, do not necessarily accept it at face value unless you are very strong underneath. venantius j pinto Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: viviana > Subject: Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. > > (DEL) > This is Obama's gift to the health insurance industry and has nothing to do > with providing health care here in America. Check the stats - on the day the > Senate signed this bill health insurance stocks skyrocketed to their highest > levels EVER. Politicians will get rich(er) as a result of this boondoggle > which, hopefully, will be repealed, and health care for the average American > will change only for the worse. > > Viviana >
Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
Dears, I was holding off comment on this bill until I got to read it. It is a pretty big document (I understand), and I would prefer not to comment on what was eventually agreed upon and passed until I read it. However, after having read Viviana's comment, I thought I'd ask her, what she really meant by 'ACCESS'. It is a specific term and has specific connotations. Allow me first to wish a Very Happy Birthday to all those on the West Coast who are celebrating their birthday today..esp Viviana (:-) The example which Viviana has given, refers to Emergency care - which we all know (I believe) is taken care of. Even the word, "emergency care" and what is provided .may mean stabilization. BTW: Whenever one looks at health care, One looks in one particular indicator i.e. Infant Mortality Rate. It gives a fair idea of the state of health care in a country. Attached infra are the IMR for a few select countries. It speaks for itself Australia 4.75 Portugal4.78 United Kingdom 4.85 Canada5.04 Cuba5.82 United States 6..22 India 50.78 https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html = - Hide quoted text - On 22 March 2010 11:24, viviana wrote: One small note - everyone with their feet in the USA has free access to health CARE, which is different from health INSURANCE. If you don't believe this I'll send you the name/email of my nephew in Texas who, on his FIRST day in the USA collapsed in church (exhaustion from the trip from Goa) - you can ask him what medical response was provided FOR FREE; he never even received a bill. This is Obama's gift to the health insurance industry and has nothing to do with providing health care here in America. Check the stats - on the day the Senate signed this bill health insurance stocks skyrocketed to their highest levels EVER. Politicians will get rich(er) as a result of this boondoggle which, hopefully, will be repealed, and health care for the average American will change only for the worse.
Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
One small note - everyone with their feet in the USA has free access to health CARE, which is different from health INSURANCE. If you don't believe this I'll send you the name/email of my nephew in Texas who, on his FIRST day in the USA collapsed in church (exhaustion from the trip from Goa) - you can ask him what medical response was provided FOR FREE; he never even received a bill. This is Obama's gift to the health insurance industry and has nothing to do with providing health care here in America. Check the stats - on the day the Senate signed this bill health insurance stocks skyrocketed to their highest levels EVER. Politicians will get rich(er) as a result of this boondoggle which, hopefully, will be repealed, and health care for the average American will change only for the worse. Viviana From: Oscar Lobo To: goa...@goanet.org Cc: bo...@goanet.org Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:07:20 PM Subject: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. During the last quarter of 2009 I posted my views on the Noble Peace Award for President Obama and what encouragement does to bring out the best in people. Well, we have all heard today the great achievement i.e. America's Health Bill which was brought about by President Barrack Obama! Great news to the 32 odd million people in America who were without Health Insurance and kudos to President Obama and his administration. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Oscar Lobo wrote: From: Oscar Lobo Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. To: "Goanet" Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 7:09 AM Noble Peace Award for President Obama. People are divided on the decision taken by the Norwegian Noble Prize Committee (NNPC) to award President Obama with a Noble Prize. While it may seem to be premature for some people many of us may have overlooked the fact that he is the first Black American President in the history of America. This in itself is an achievement as he has risen up from the down trodden community and he has commenced some good initiatives for the people of America. Instead of putting spanner in his good works it is better to put an Award to make him do some greater work being at the helm of his career. Encouragement brings out the best in people. Criticism brings out the worst. How many of us fall in each category! We Goans need to learn from all this. How many of our genuine Goans have contributed and continuing a great job in keeping our Goan culture and identity alive? We know a few Goans in Goa, Middle East, Canada, Spain etc; and what encouragement have we given to our Goans other than cheap shooting of e-mails and washing dirty linen in public? Do we know that Goanet is also read by non-Goans in India and elsewhere as there is no restriction to be a member of Goanet. Recently a south Indian said to me - Do you know Mr. Lobo why Goans are not progressing? I was curious and asked him why to which he replied "Because your community is suffering from Tall Poppy syndrome (Aum shanoh in Konkani) and Jealousy (Nosai). Let us therefore wake up to these observations by non-Goans and if necessary apologise to our fellow Goenkars if you believe we have hurt people because of ego or perhaps miss judgement. The most important commandment from Jesus was "Love one another as I have loved you" This is precisely what is missing in us Goans and quicker we start loving our community the quicker we will stand to gain. Zeal without knowledge is like fire without light. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne.
Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
Dear Oscar, Thank you for saying what you have said. And Yes, encouragement does wonders but severe non-constructive criticism dries out the enthusiasm and often works on rebound. I have said many a times that Goans need to get behind just one agenda and push it through. The Agenda that is needed to be pushed in Goa is the 'political sanity' agenda. All else must go to sleep comparatably to this agenda since 'political madness' as it exists in Goa today is like a huge deadweight tied to one's feet and thrown into the sea. If Goans will see better reason to get behind the PPS movement which is underway, Goa's political scenario is bound to change for the better and usher in kudoses to Goans rather than the shame that is howering over their heads. And to ignore this cover of shame that will engulf Goa's posterity, will be criminal negligence on the part of the peers. I must congratulate you for bringing Barrack Obama in the line of vision of Goans. And I will never forget Obama's words as spoken at his Victory Speech Quote $5 and $10 from the multitude of Americans given in good faith towards my election is the result you see today Unquote [not in exact words]. To that effect, my party has the slogan which runs like this: "Small money from a lot of people makes better sense that a lot of money from one person" Citizens' Initiative - 'People for Political Sanity - People's Power System' must take over as a Maha Pressure Group if Goa will see a sea change in the 2012 elections, which elections are very very very precarious for the health of Goa and Goans. Cheers floriano PPS to PPS 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Oscar Lobo" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:37 AM Subject: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. During the last quarter of 2009 I posted my views on the Noble Peace Award for President Obama and what encouragement does to bring out the best in people. Well, we have all heard today the great achievement i.e. America's Health Bill which was brought about by President Barrack Obama! Great news to the 32 odd million people in America who were without Health Insurance and kudos to President Obama and his administration. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Oscar Lobo wrote: From: Oscar Lobo Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. To: "Goanet" Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 7:09 AM Noble Peace Award for President Obama. People are divided on the decision taken by the Norwegian Noble Prize Committee (NNPC) to award President Obama with a Noble Prize.
Re: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
Oscar, While you and , perhaps many like you in their charitable way of thinking, will laud this first step to bringing medical assurance to the poorer and " caught -in -the present economic times" folk...a lot of the fat-cat medical insurance companies who have spent perhaps thousands of dollars on their lobbyists to stymie Mr. Obama`s efforts, will find a way to get around the eventual growing of this scheme of things in the future. The spirit of free enterprise and growth of corporate control of vital systems from defence to energy makes richer USA folk nervous of any project that has odour of a socialistic approach that may lead to the rich having to indirectly support the poor... and there is still a lot of that in America. I could be horribly wrong in my thinking and I hope some other netters will offer their opinions on the subject. - Original Message - From: "Oscar Lobo" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:07 AM Subject: [Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. During the last quarter of 2009 I posted my views on the Noble Peace Award for President Obama and what encouragement does to bring out the best in people. Well, we have all heard today the great achievement i.e. America's Health Bill which was brought about by President Barrack Obama! Great news to the 32 odd million people in America who were without Health Insurance and kudos to President Obama and his administration. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Oscar Lobo wrote: From: Oscar Lobo Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. To: "Goanet" Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 7:09 AM Noble Peace Award for President Obama. People are divided on the decision taken by the Norwegian Noble Prize Committee (NNPC) to award President Obama with a Noble Prize. While it may seem to be premature for some people many of us may have overlooked the fact that he is the first Black American President in the history of America. This in itself is an achievement as he has risen up from the down trodden community and he has commenced some good initiatives for the people of America. Instead of putting spanner in his good works it is better to put an Award to make him do some greater work being at the helm of his career. Encouragement brings out the best in people. Criticism brings out the worst. How many of us fall in each category! We Goans need to learn from all this. How many of our genuine Goans have contributed and continuing a great job in keeping our Goan culture and identity alive? We know a few Goans in Goa, Middle East, Canada, Spain etc; and what encouragement have we given to our Goans other than cheap shooting of e-mails and washing dirty linen in public? Do we know that Goanet is also read by non-Goans in India and elsewhere as there is no restriction to be a member of Goanet. Recently a south Indian said to me - Do you know Mr. Lobo why Goans are not progressing? I was curious and asked him why to which he replied "Because your community is suffering from Tall Poppy syndrome (Aum shanoh in Konkani) and Jealousy (Nosai). Let us therefore wake up to these observations by non-Goans and if necessary apologise to our fellow Goenkars if you believe we have hurt people because of ego or perhaps miss judgement. The most important commandment from Jesus was "Love one another as I have loved you" This is precisely what is missing in us Goans and quicker we start loving our community the quicker we will stand to gain. Zeal without knowledge is like fire without light. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne.
[Goanet] FW: Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama.
During the last quarter of 2009 I posted my views on the Noble Peace Award for President Obama and what encouragement does to bring out the best in people. Well, we have all heard today the great achievement i.e. America's Health Bill which was brought about by President Barrack Obama! Great news to the 32 odd million people in America who were without Health Insurance and kudos to President Obama and his administration. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne. --- On Mon, 12/10/09, Oscar Lobo wrote: From: Oscar Lobo Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama. To: "Goanet" Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 7:09 AM Noble Peace Award for President Obama. People are divided on the decision taken by the Norwegian Noble Prize Committee (NNPC) to award President Obama with a Noble Prize. While it may seem to be premature for some people many of us may have overlooked the fact that he is the first Black American President in the history of America. This in itself is an achievement as he has risen up from the down trodden community and he has commenced some good initiatives for the people of America. Instead of putting spanner in his good works it is better to put an Award to make him do some greater work being at the helm of his career. Encouragement brings out the best in people. Criticism brings out the worst. How many of us fall in each category! We Goans need to learn from all this. How many of our genuine Goans have contributed and continuing a great job in keeping our Goan culture and identity alive? We know a few Goans in Goa, Middle East, Canada, Spain etc; and what encouragement have we given to our Goans other than cheap shooting of e-mails and washing dirty linen in public? Do we know that Goanet is also read by non-Goans in India and elsewhere as there is no restriction to be a member of Goanet. Recently a south Indian said to me - Do you know Mr. Lobo why Goans are not progressing? I was curious and asked him why to which he replied "Because your community is suffering from Tall Poppy syndrome (Aum shanoh in Konkani) and Jealousy (Nosai). Let us therefore wake up to these observations by non-Goans and if necessary apologise to our fellow Goenkars if you believe we have hurt people because of ego or perhaps miss judgement. The most important commandment from Jesus was "Love one another as I have loved you" This is precisely what is missing in us Goans and quicker we start loving our community the quicker we will stand to gain. Zeal without knowledge is like fire without light. Oscar C. Lobo Melbourne.
