Re: [Goanet] From Greece to Goa: The Anatomy of Debt Traps

2015-07-05 Thread Floriano Lobo
Belt tightening exercises were incorporated in GSRP's constitution in the
year 2000, fifteen year ago, under articles 34 and 38, in order to tackle
the profligate attitude towards spending tax-payer's money by our Goa's
elected representatives. It is little wonder that those interested in
contesting elections find GSRP a bit too strict, advocating advices likeIf
one wants to clean clogged/choked gutters, one needs to dirty one's hands,
 and want us to relax these two articles which of course GSRP refuses
saying that we shall use the bypass methods to remove chocked/clogged
gutters without dirtying hands. Anaticipating such demands, GSRP went
ahead to SEAL these sensitive articles from future amendments for life.
GSRP

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 V M wrote:

 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/From-Greece-to-Goa-The-anatomy-of-debt-traps/articleshow/47931800.cms

 Despite large hikes in Goa's share of cash from the Central fund (this
 year up a whopping 10%), Goa's public debt is heading upward of 10,000
 crore and the state is reduced to the fatal strategy of borrowing at
 market rates to service interest payments. No less than Greece, this
 is the definition of unsustainable economic policy.
 -snip-
 That highly reasonable analysis by (Laxmikant) Parsekar has been
 turned on its head by his own BJP government's outsized spending spree
 of a scale never seen before in Goa. A third Mandovi bridge for more
 than 600 crore, the controversial bridge to Tiracol (home to exactly
 300 Goans) for more than 80 crore, extraordinarily dubious
 road-building and road-widening exercises for additional hundreds of
 millions of rupees.
 -snip-
 Just as the hated 'troika' of lenders and finance ministers imposed on
 Greece, Goa's political elites are now also talking of selective
 austerity which does not allow increased spending on the inadequate
 healthcare system, or on the state's woefully mediocre education
 infrastructure.

 Pay close attention to Greece by all means, because much the same is
 happening in Goa too.

 --

 Well written, VM.

 I only learned about the debt accumulated by the Goa Govt a week ago. The
 figures mentioned were higher than yours. The problem of course is, who is
 going to pay for these loans? Just like Greece, the day will come when the
 Goa Govt will not be able to service its loans and pay its bills. The first
 Govt service cut usually effects education, the next is health care and
 then it is the services provided to everyone else.

 There is an easy way to resolve this problem of overspending. All you need
 is a law that says any representative who votes to spend more than 106% of
 income received, will not be eligible for re-election to that position
 again.

 This is the only way elected representatives will come to their senses.
 They will either increase income collection (taxes) or decrease spending.

 Grexit is going to adversely effect more than Greece. You will soon hear
 of British banks who lent money to the German banks, who in turn lent money
 to Greek commercial banks. A week after the Greek businesses stop paying
 their invoices, US financial institutions will admit to have lent money to
 British banks that ultimately reached the Greece er, financial system.

 We are in for some interesting times (if one is not a Greece resident.)

 Mervyn
 PS. I wonder if it is too late to get some short positions? :-)



[Goanet] From Greece to Goa: The Anatomy of Debt Traps

2015-07-04 Thread V M
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/From-Greece-to-Goa-The-anatomy-of-debt-traps/articleshow/47931800.cms

The entire world is watching Greece with bated breath this week, as
its new socialist government attempts to navigate through a thorny
economic crisis that poses unprecedented threats to the nascent
Euro-zone, the imprimatur of the international banking system led by
the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the European Central Bank,
as well as the fragile recovery that has followed the global financial
crisis of 2007-08. But Greece is not alone in drowning in huge public
debt—many other countries are nearly as badly situated, and several
states in India—including Goa—now carry similarly worrying burdens.

How did Greece—a developed country integrated into the very wealthy
European Union—manage to slide into such a grave predicament? The
short answer is simple enough: The country kept spending more than it
collected in tax revenues, mainly to keep investing in grandiose and
unnecessary infrastructure (such as the lavish stadia for the 2004
Olympic Games), and to distribute as sops to government cronies. Greek
political and economic elites were addicted to cheap borrowing from
(mainly German and French) banks, taking out ever-increasing loans to
settle ever-increasing interest payments. That party ended in 2009
when the possibility of default became clear. Since that point, Greece
has struggled to borrow money to service existing debt, and has been
forced to pay market-level interest rates that dug its economic hole
so deep that IMF now says there is no possibility of repayment for at
least 20 years.

While there are many similarities between the position Greece finds
itself and the predicament of other countries and states—including
Goa—the inadequate political integration of Europe over the past 15
years is a complicating factor.

It was Greek membership in the European Union that gave the country
the credibility to borrow vast sums of money from EU institutions, but
when the crisis exploded, the decision-makers in Brussels, Paris and
Berlin chose to rescue their own banks and taxpayers with bailout
packages, while imposing severe austerity measures on the Greeks. The
result has been comprehensive economic collapse, 25% reduction in
national GDP, and crippling unemployment rising above 50% for young
people.

Tiny Goa is cushioned by the vast Indian Union, a much more effective
support system than the Europeans have managed to create. Budget
shortfalls engineered in Porvorim are highly unlikely to set off the
kind of chain reaction feared if Greece is forced to leave the EU,
'Grexit', and returns to the drachma as its currency standard.

But the same economic principles playing out in Europe apply to
India's smallest state's burgeoning debt trap, which features
identically irresponsible borrowing, spending on scam infrastructure,
and sops to government cronies.

Despite large hikes in Goa's share of cash from the Central fund (this
year up a whopping 10%), Goa's public debt is heading upward of 10,000
crore and the state is reduced to the fatal strategy of borrowing at
market rates to service interest payments. No less than Greece, this
is the definition of unsustainable economic policy.

Ironically, it was the current chief minister of Goa who most aptly
summarized the impending crisis when he was in opposition in 2010. He
said then—reckless expenditure by the government has led to
liabilities exceeding 7,000 crore, an increase of 100% in the last
five years... (it is) reckless expenditure on the creation of
redundant assets, most of which are of a non-welfare nature and turn
out to be liabilities which incur high capital costs and recurring
maintenance and operational costs.

That highly reasonable analysis by (Laxmikant) Parsekar has been
turned on its head by his own BJP government's outsized spending spree
of a scale never seen before in Goa. A third Mandovi bridge for more
than 600 crore, the controversial bridge to Tiracol (home to exactly
300 Goans) for more than 80 crore, extraordinarily dubious
road-building and road-widening exercises for additional hundreds of
millions of rupees.

While the outrageously expensive Lusofonia Games stadia lie empty and
increasingly derelict, another series of giant white elephants are in
the planning stages and being tendered. The spectre of Mopa airport
comes ever closer, another unwanted money pit of thousands of crores.

Just as the hated 'troika' of lenders and finance ministers imposed on
Greece, Goa's political elites are now also talking of selective
austerity which does not allow increased spending on the inadequate
healthcare system, or on the state's woefully mediocre education
infrastructure.

Pay close attention to Greece by all means, because much the same is
happening in Goa too.


Re: [Goanet] From Greece to Goa: The Anatomy of Debt Traps

2015-07-04 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet -
Just checked Goanet after a long time.
VM's article does not scratch even the surface of the issue. There are 
deepercomparisons to be drawn from the Greece debacle and the situation in Goa 
than treated by VM. This excellent article by Michael Lewis from 2010 provides 
a window. In several places you can replace Greek/Greece with Goan/Goa.Greece 
wasn't a developed country as VM claims, not in the sensecommonly understood 
anyway.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2010/10/greeks-bearing-bonds-201010


Mervyn - Greece is a rounding off error as far as the American economy is 
concerned.
Regards,

r


Re: [Goanet] From Greece to Goa: The Anatomy of Debt Traps

2015-07-04 Thread Mervyn Lobo
V M wrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/From-Greece-to-Goa-The-anatomy-of-debt-traps/articleshow/47931800.cms

Despite large hikes in Goa's share of cash from the Central fund (this
year up a whopping 10%), Goa's public debt is heading upward of 10,000
crore and the state is reduced to the fatal strategy of borrowing at
market rates to service interest payments. No less than Greece, this
is the definition of unsustainable economic policy.
-snip-
That highly reasonable analysis by (Laxmikant) Parsekar has been
turned on its head by his own BJP government's outsized spending spree
of a scale never seen before in Goa. A third Mandovi bridge for more
than 600 crore, the controversial bridge to Tiracol (home to exactly
300 Goans) for more than 80 crore, extraordinarily dubious
road-building and road-widening exercises for additional hundreds of
millions of rupees.
-snip-
Just as the hated 'troika' of lenders and finance ministers imposed on
Greece, Goa's political elites are now also talking of selective
austerity which does not allow increased spending on the inadequate
healthcare system, or on the state's woefully mediocre education
infrastructure.

Pay close attention to Greece by all means, because much the same is
happening in Goa too.

--

Well written, VM.

I only learned about the debt accumulated by the Goa Govt a week ago. The 
figures mentioned were higher than yours. The problem of course is, who is 
going to pay for these loans? Just like Greece, the day will come when the Goa 
Govt will not be able to service its loans and pay its bills. The first Govt 
service cut usually effects education, the next is health care and then it is 
the services provided to everyone else. 

There is an easy way to resolve this problem of overspending. All you need is a 
law that says any representative who votes to spend more than 106% of income 
received, will not be eligible for re-election to that position again.

This is the only way elected representatives will come to their senses. They 
will either increase income collection (taxes) or decrease spending.

Grexit is going to adversely effect more than Greece. You will soon hear of 
British banks who lent money to the German banks, who in turn lent money to 
Greek commercial banks. A week after the Greek businesses stop paying their 
invoices, US financial institutions will admit to have lent money to British 
banks that ultimately reached the Greece er, financial system. 

We are in for some interesting times (if one is not a Greece resident.) 

Mervyn
PS. I wonder if it is too late to get some short positions? :-) 


[Goanet] From Greece to Goa: The Anatomy of Debt Traps

2015-07-04 Thread eric pinto

    
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/From-Greece-to-Goa-The-anatomy-of-debt-traps/articleshow/47931800.cms

The entire world is watching Greece with bated breath this week, as
its new socialist government attempts to navigate through a thorny
economic crisis that poses unprecedented threats to the nascent
Euro-zone, the imprimatur of the international banking system led by
the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the European Central Bank,
as well as the fragile recovery that has followed the global financial
crisis of 2007-08. But Greece is not alone in drowning in huge public
debt—many other countries are nearly as badly situated, and several
states in India—including Goa—now carry similarly worrying burdens.

How did Greece—a developed country integrated into the very wealthy
European Union—manage to slide into such a grave predicament? The
short answer is simple enough: The country kept spending more than it
collected in tax revenues, mainly to keep investing in grandiose and
unnecessary infrastructure (such as the lavish stadia for the 2004
Olympic Games), and to distribute as sops to government cronies. Greek
political and economic elites were addicted to cheap borrowing from
(mainly German and French) banks, taking out ever-increasing loans to
settle ever-increasing interest payments. That party ended in 2009
when the possibility of default became clear. Since that point, Greece
has struggled to borrow money to service existing debt, and has been
forced to pay market-level interest rates that dug its economic hole
so deep that IMF now says there is no possibility of repayment for at
least 20 years.

While there are many similarities between the position Greece finds
itself and the predicament of other countries and states—including
Goa—the inadequate political integration of Europe over the past 15
years is a complicating factor.

It was Greek membership in the European Union that gave the country
the credibility to borrow vast sums of money from EU institutions, but
when the crisis exploded, the decision-makers in Brussels, Paris and
Berlin chose to rescue their own banks and taxpayers with bailout
packages, while imposing severe austerity measures on the Greeks. The
result has been comprehensive economic collapse, 25% reduction in
national GDP, and crippling unemployment rising above 50% for young
people.

Tiny Goa is cushioned by the vast Indian Union, a much more effective
support system than the Europeans have managed to create. Budget
shortfalls engineered in Porvorim are highly unlikely to set off the
kind of chain reaction feared if Greece is forced to leave the EU,
'Grexit', and returns to the drachma as its currency standard.

But the same economic principles playing out in Europe apply to
India's smallest state's burgeoning debt trap, which features
identically irresponsible borrowing, spending on scam infrastructure,
and sops to government cronies.

Despite large hikes in Goa's share of cash from the Central fund (this
year up a whopping 10%), Goa's public debt is heading upward of 10,000
crore and the state is reduced to the fatal strategy of borrowing at
market rates to service interest payments. No less than Greece, this
is the definition of unsustainable economic policy.

Ironically, it was the current chief minister of Goa who most aptly
summarized the impending crisis when he was in opposition in 2010. He
said then—reckless expenditure by the government has led to
liabilities exceeding 7,000 crore, an increase of 100% in the last
five years... (it is) reckless expenditure on the creation of
redundant assets, most of which are of a non-welfare nature and turn
out to be liabilities which incur high capital costs and recurring
maintenance and operational costs.

That highly reasonable analysis by (Laxmikant) Parsekar has been
turned on its head by his own BJP government's outsized spending spree
of a scale never seen before in Goa. A third Mandovi bridge for more
than 600 crore, the controversial bridge to Tiracol (home to exactly
300 Goans) for more than 80 crore, extraordinarily dubious
road-building and road-widening exercises for additional hundreds of
millions of rupees.

While the outrageously expensive Lusofonia Games stadia lie empty and
increasingly derelict, another series of giant white elephants are in
the planning stages and being tendered. The spectre of Mopa airport
comes ever closer, another unwanted money pit of thousands of crores.

Just as the hated 'troika' of lenders and finance ministers imposed on
Greece, Goa's political elites are now also talking of selective
austerity which does not allow increased spending on the inadequate
healthcare system, or on the state's woefully mediocre education
infrastructure.

Pay close attention to Greece by all means, because much the same is
happening in Goa too.
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