Re: [Goanet] Further Chapters for Jewish India? (Scroll, 7/7/2021)

2021-07-08 Thread Mervyn Lobo
On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 12:00:05 p.m. CDT, V M  wrote:

Thank you for the kind feedback + interesting comments, Mervyn. One day I'm 
going to go check out these Shirazi...



VM,
The people of the isles of Zanzibar had to combine two political parties, the 
Afro party and the Shirazi party to have an effective coalition to win an 
election. 


WRT to traditions of the Shirazi people, modern scholars are pointing out to 
inconsistencies between oral history and documented migration in the region.


DNA has thrown another wrench into traditions but the Shirazi are happy with 
their traditions. The only reason for their movement/migration today, is an 
economic one. 


Mervyn



Re: [Goanet] Further Chapters for Jewish India? (Scroll, 7/7/2021)

2021-07-08 Thread Roland Francis
Good article, specially appreciated since I have a more than casual 
understanding of the Indian Jews history and situation.

Roland.
Toronto.


> On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:19 AM, V M  wrote:
> 
> https://scroll.in/article/999497/reading-the-complex-reality-of-indias-jewish-communities-tiny-but-still-expanding
> 
> In her aching, confessional *Book of Esther*, the author Esther David (her
> original family name was Dandekar) describes attempting to “make aliyah”
> via the Law of Return, which gives Jewish people from any part of the
> world the right to migrate to Israel.
> 
> She was “running away from India” and her Bene Israeli community, which
> maintains the tradition that they are descended from 14 Jewish men and
> women from across the Arabian Sea who were shipwrecked on the Konkan
> coastline over 2,000 years ago. That is why David says she “tried to uproot
> myself from my surrogate motherland, and replant myself in the home of my
> ancestors”. Her intention was to move “like a pilgrimage. It would wipe out
> my past. Give me a new life.” She tried to learn Hebrew, sang Israeli folk
> songs, and learned to dance the Hora (an originally Eastern European
> practice that has become intrinsic to contemporary Jewish culture). But the
> alienation never lifted: “What a heavy price one had to pay to be a Jew!”
> 
> At one point, the new migrant was offered an appealing home, where “the
> courtyard was covered with mosaic tiles in green, blue and white. There was
> an orange tree in the centre, laden with ripe fruit. I felt I had walked
> into a house from the Arabian Nights.” There were no strings attached, and
> her social worker insisted “I take it without a second thought. The
> finances would be worked out later.” But when she was told the premises
> originally belonged to Palestinians who “left”, David refused, earning an
> earful: “You are stupid. Too sentimental. If you want to stay here, get
> used to the life here.”
> 
> David realised, “If I wanted to live like a Jew, I could live anywhere. I
> did not have to live in Israel to feel more Jewish than I felt in India.
> For me, Israel was a discoloured mosaic floor, stained by images of
> violence, fire, blood, ambulances, Israel unnerved me. I was terrified of
> terrorist attacks, the right to kill for survival, and the constant
> tension.” She yearned for Ahmedabad, and “felt relieved as I made
> preparations to return”.
> 
> *Book of Esther *was published in 2002, at the same time as *India’s Jewish
> Heritage: Ritual, Art and Life-Cycle*, edited by Shalva Weil of the Hebrew
> University of Jerusalem, who has gone on to produce an entire shelf on the
> Jewish presence in India, including – in 2019 alone: *The Baghdadi Jews in
> India: Maintaining Communities, Negotiating Identities and Creating
> Super-Diversity* and *The Jews of Goa.*
> 
> Though it was less than two decades ago, there was very little reliable
> information on Jewish India back then. That’s why Weil’s compilation (an
> Indian edition was published in 2009 by Marg) was gratefully received for
> its solid historiography on the subcontinent’s three distinct Jewish
> communities: Esther David’s Bene Israelis, the “Black” and “White” Cochini
> of Kerala, and the highly globalised Baghdadis, who rode economic,
> political and social winds in and out of British India, Singapore and China
> while transitioning fast from “Orientals to Imagined Britons”.
> 
> Considering all three communities made aliyah en bloc in the late 1940s and
> early 1950s, you might assume the lengthy annals of Jewish Indian history
> verge on extinguishment. But as Esther David’s new *Bene Appétit: The
> Cuisine of Indian Jews* demonstrates, that’s not the case. Three separate
> chapters dwell on communities that effectively didn’t exist even as
> recently as 2002, which illuminates an astonishing truth: there are many
> more Jewish Indians today than any point in the past 50 years, and their
> numbers are still expanding.
> 
> Check the evidence in *Bene Appétit*, where David surveys (via visits to
> each location) the relatively familiar cultural landscape of Cochin, Bene
> Israeli coastal Maharashtra, and Baghdadi Jewish Kolkata, then wings off to
> visit the “Bene Ephraim Jews of Andhra Pradesh”, the “Bnei Menashe Jews of
> Manipur” and “Bnei Menashe Jews of Mizoram”. All these are freshly minted
> Indian Jewish communities that are in the process of “rediscovering” –
> under strict rabbinical supervision – an orthodox Jewish identity, complete
> with intricate Biblical genealogical underpinnings.
> 
> Every time another batch pursues the years-long process until fruition,
> they petition to make aliyah, and an extensive network of agencies helps
> them move to Israel. In this way, thousands have gone, and many more are in
> line. By the mytho-historical Biblical calculus used to support their case
> for “Jewish origins” it’s theoretically possible – albeit highly unlikely –
> the entire Kuki, Mizo and Chin 

Re: [Goanet] Further Chapters for Jewish India? (Scroll, 7/7/2021)

2021-07-07 Thread Mervyn Lobo
On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 02:53:45 a.m. CDT, V M  wrote:

https://scroll.in/article/999497/reading-the-complex-reality-of-indias-jewish-communities-tiny-but-still-expanding

In her aching, confessional *Book of Esther*, the author Esther David (her
original family name was Dandekar) describes attempting to “make aliyah”
via the Law of Return, which gives Jewish people from any part of the
world the right to migrate to Israel.




Darn VM!
You waltzed through a minefield with ease. Congrats! 


The pictures in the article are invaluable as they show people with typical 
Indian features i.e. people who have been thoroughly assimilated over the 
decades. 


In Tanzania, we have the Shirazi people who claim they are descendants of 
settlers from Shiraz, Iran. The Shirazi look exactly like their neighbours and 
rightly claim that they do not have to prove that they are Shirazi because all 
the neighbours know who is Shirazi and who is not. Thankfully, the Shirazi have 
no desire to "return" to Shiraz. 


Using the Bible as a title deed is about the best idea I have come across. 
Zionism could have been a great concept but once you decide to use arms to get 
rid of the local population, you essentially are trading living in peace in 
another land to living in a state of perpetual war in God's chosen land.


Mervyn








 


Re: [Goanet] Further Chapters for Jewish India? (Scroll, 7/7/2021)

2021-07-07 Thread V M
Thank you for the kind feedback + interesting comments, Mervyn. One day I'm
going to go check out these Shirazi...

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, 22:20 Mervyn Lobo,  wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 02:53:45 a.m. CDT, V M 
> wrote:
>
>
> https://scroll.in/article/999497/reading-the-complex-reality-of-indias-jewish-communities-tiny-but-still-expanding
>
> In her aching, confessional *Book of Esther*, the author Esther David (her
> original family name was Dandekar) describes attempting to “make aliyah”
> via the Law of Return, which gives Jewish people from any part of the
> world the right to migrate to Israel.
>
>
> 
>
>
> Darn VM!
> You waltzed through a minefield with ease. Congrats!
>
>
> The pictures in the article are invaluable as they show people with
> typical Indian features i.e. people who have been thoroughly assimilated
> over the decades.
>
>
> In Tanzania, we have the Shirazi people who claim they are descendants of
> settlers from Shiraz, Iran. The Shirazi look exactly like their neighbours
> and rightly claim that they do not have to prove that they are Shirazi
> because all the neighbours know who is Shirazi and who is not. Thankfully,
> the Shirazi have no desire to "return" to Shiraz.
>
>
> Using the Bible as a title deed is about the best idea I have come across.
> Zionism could have been a great concept but once you decide to use arms to
> get rid of the local population, you essentially are trading living in
> peace in another land to living in a state of perpetual war in God's chosen
> land.
>
>
> Mervyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


[Goanet] Further Chapters for Jewish India? (Scroll, 7/7/2021)

2021-07-07 Thread V M
https://scroll.in/article/999497/reading-the-complex-reality-of-indias-jewish-communities-tiny-but-still-expanding

In her aching, confessional *Book of Esther*, the author Esther David (her
original family name was Dandekar) describes attempting to “make aliyah”
via the Law of Return, which gives Jewish people from any part of the
world the right to migrate to Israel.

She was “running away from India” and her Bene Israeli community, which
maintains the tradition that they are descended from 14 Jewish men and
women from across the Arabian Sea who were shipwrecked on the Konkan
coastline over 2,000 years ago. That is why David says she “tried to uproot
myself from my surrogate motherland, and replant myself in the home of my
ancestors”. Her intention was to move “like a pilgrimage. It would wipe out
my past. Give me a new life.” She tried to learn Hebrew, sang Israeli folk
songs, and learned to dance the Hora (an originally Eastern European
practice that has become intrinsic to contemporary Jewish culture). But the
alienation never lifted: “What a heavy price one had to pay to be a Jew!”

At one point, the new migrant was offered an appealing home, where “the
courtyard was covered with mosaic tiles in green, blue and white. There was
an orange tree in the centre, laden with ripe fruit. I felt I had walked
into a house from the Arabian Nights.” There were no strings attached, and
her social worker insisted “I take it without a second thought. The
finances would be worked out later.” But when she was told the premises
originally belonged to Palestinians who “left”, David refused, earning an
earful: “You are stupid. Too sentimental. If you want to stay here, get
used to the life here.”

David realised, “If I wanted to live like a Jew, I could live anywhere. I
did not have to live in Israel to feel more Jewish than I felt in India.
For me, Israel was a discoloured mosaic floor, stained by images of
violence, fire, blood, ambulances, Israel unnerved me. I was terrified of
terrorist attacks, the right to kill for survival, and the constant
tension.” She yearned for Ahmedabad, and “felt relieved as I made
preparations to return”.

*Book of Esther *was published in 2002, at the same time as *India’s Jewish
Heritage: Ritual, Art and Life-Cycle*, edited by Shalva Weil of the Hebrew
University of Jerusalem, who has gone on to produce an entire shelf on the
Jewish presence in India, including – in 2019 alone: *The Baghdadi Jews in
India: Maintaining Communities, Negotiating Identities and Creating
Super-Diversity* and *The Jews of Goa.*

Though it was less than two decades ago, there was very little reliable
information on Jewish India back then. That’s why Weil’s compilation (an
Indian edition was published in 2009 by Marg) was gratefully received for
its solid historiography on the subcontinent’s three distinct Jewish
communities: Esther David’s Bene Israelis, the “Black” and “White” Cochini
of Kerala, and the highly globalised Baghdadis, who rode economic,
political and social winds in and out of British India, Singapore and China
while transitioning fast from “Orientals to Imagined Britons”.

Considering all three communities made aliyah en bloc in the late 1940s and
early 1950s, you might assume the lengthy annals of Jewish Indian history
verge on extinguishment. But as Esther David’s new *Bene Appétit: The
Cuisine of Indian Jews* demonstrates, that’s not the case. Three separate
chapters dwell on communities that effectively didn’t exist even as
recently as 2002, which illuminates an astonishing truth: there are many
more Jewish Indians today than any point in the past 50 years, and their
numbers are still expanding.

Check the evidence in *Bene Appétit*, where David surveys (via visits to
each location) the relatively familiar cultural landscape of Cochin, Bene
Israeli coastal Maharashtra, and Baghdadi Jewish Kolkata, then wings off to
visit the “Bene Ephraim Jews of Andhra Pradesh”, the “Bnei Menashe Jews of
Manipur” and “Bnei Menashe Jews of Mizoram”. All these are freshly minted
Indian Jewish communities that are in the process of “rediscovering” –
under strict rabbinical supervision – an orthodox Jewish identity, complete
with intricate Biblical genealogical underpinnings.

Every time another batch pursues the years-long process until fruition,
they petition to make aliyah, and an extensive network of agencies helps
them move to Israel. In this way, thousands have gone, and many more are in
line. By the mytho-historical Biblical calculus used to support their case
for “Jewish origins” it’s theoretically possible – albeit highly unlikely –
the entire Kuki, Mizo and Chin peoples, comprising several million
individuals living along India’s border with Burma, could eventually
qualify as Jewish Indians, along with another seven million members of the
Madiga caste community from Andhra Pradesh, Telangana and Karnataka.

Of course, none of this is actually in the altogether pleasant *Bene
Appétit*. Ever since