Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:04:26 -0800, Santosh Helekar wrote:<<>> COMMENT : What according to Santosh’s perspective is the definition and criteria of being an ‘Indian’ ? Goanetters would like to hear this basic point of argument. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Santosh has hit the nail right on the head! Further, why should anyone vote for a party whose founder and head honcho peddles a blatant lie, makes a baseless accusation which flies in the face of the legislative history of Goa? In Portuguese days, if you wanted to damn someone all you had to do was to brand him a "communist"; today's equivalent word is "communal". The Official Language Act was passed by the Goa, Daman & Diu Legislative Assembly of which Uday Bhembre was an Independent Member. He was not a Ruling Party legislator. He was not even a Congress supporter, since the Ruling party had a comfortable majority on its own. This being the case, how could he have had any part in the drafting of the Bill or inserting the impugned words? Was the Congress Party so bankrupt of law-makers that they had to rely on outside help? Did Bhembre move an Ammendment to insert those words? The fact is that he did not even vote for the Bill; he and Luisinho Faleiro (another non-Congress member) had walked out of the House in protest against the inclusion of Marathi. Therefore, if anyone is to be blamed, it should be the members of the then Ruling Legislature party all of whom voted for the Bill. All this can be confirmed by just perusing any newspaper of the days when the event occurred. The newspapers are available for perusal at the Central Library, Panjim; all that is needed is a desire to know the truth. Having been on the high seas, or high on spirits, on the day in question is no excuse for not doing one's homework before shooting one's mouth or keyboard! A person who has no patience to check the relevant newspapers for information barely 24 years old, could not be expected to be accurate on matters which go back some centuries. So the rest of his post should be treated with the contempt it deserves. Why should others do his homework? Sotachench zoit zatolem. Sebastian Borges On Sat, 12 Feb 2011: Santosh Helekar wrote: << Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India conquered Goa in 1961. Most Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why would they want to vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider himself an Indian, and holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? >> On Thu, 10 Feb 2011: "floriano" wrote: << Let me respond to Adv. Bhembre's insinuations and expose him as a communal mind at work. 1. Adv. Bhembre is one of the main persons to have included 'ONLY IN DEVANAGIRI' in the Official Language Act. The word Konkani should have and will have stood all on its own without this devious communal insertion. >> Sebastian Borges
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Dear Elvino, If anyone at all does qualify for the Highest GOAN award, name it whatever it may be, YOU Elvino deserve that AWARD for saying what you have said. WHAT IS THAT WE GOANS NEED TO CALL OURSELVES 'INDIAN' SO THAT WE ARE PROUD OF THE COUNTRY'S CITIZENSHIP FORCED ON US We would be and have reason to be PROUD IF: 1. Our age old GAONKARIES aka COMUNIDADES were preserved just like the Portuguese did. 2. If Our Civilian Dabolim airport was handed over to the Goa's Civilian Authority after the invasion, to make it actual LIBERATION. and not cling to it as the spoils of war. 3. If the Army Signal Corp. had to vacate their present HQ in Panjim and hand over that prime building back into Goan's hands. 4. If they had preserved Goan's right to vote without diluting it with migrant voters left right and centre. 5. If Our Freedom Fighters were not manufactured to make them PENSION FIGHTERS. 6. If Goa was Goa and not a DRUG PEDDLING CENTRE OF INDIA. 7. If Special Status was given to Goa, which promises have enlarged the vocal chords of the leaders of India including Nehru. 8. If Goa was not diluted and divided by sanctioning the OPINION POLL for and against MERGER OF GOA INTO MAHARASHTRA. 9. If Goans didn't have to go look out for paying jobs elsewhere, other that pre-invasion job seekers like cooks waiters and butlers. Today, even after being educated, other States of India are given jobs in Goa (read government jobs) to their compatriots. Ex. PWD, Electricity departments. 10. If they did not manufacture their own GOAN chamchas in Goa who loot and plunder daytime or night, hand over 3/4th of the loot to Indians and keep the rest to themselves. 11. Let our sons not be killed in custody by the INDIAN POLICE and then go to say WE ARE A DEMOCRACY. 12. Let us Goans see the Enforcement Directorate and CBI put to work in Goa on everyday basis and scoot out the looters and plunderers and jail them, even if they are the GOVERNORS of GOA. We do not care. 13. If our valuable assets which are our golden beaches were not converted to sewage dumps. I could go on and on. So why do we Goans who are not interested in licking any nationality but GOANNESS have to be EXTRA PROUD OF INDIAN AND INDIAN CITIZENSHIP Do we need to be PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY when it's esteemed Foreign Minister readS the speech already read by his PORTUGUESE counterpart in the UN Security Council to make us the LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD?? GOANS have considered the Portuguese the DONKEYS for having signed the co-operation treaty with India without asking or confiding in GOANS. When Indian Foreign Ministers read the speeches of the Portuguese Donkeys, are they not the DONKEY'S PAR EXCELLENCE? Do we need to be Proud of DONKEYS? Let India sack this joker and only then maybe, just maybe, we Goans shall consider. Let the powers that be answer all the above questions and then we GOANS shall embrace the citizenship and value it like it was part of our lives. NOT BEFORE. CHEERS TO GOA AND GOANS. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Elvino Rodrigues" To: "Goanet" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre, In those bygone times, Goans were mostly believers and of poor class use to believe who ever say anything. When Portuguese were saying they are Portuguse they were considering themselves as Portuguese and when Indians came in and Indians told them they are Indians they still believed so. Because they were of hard working type of people therefore, their main motive was to live as day come and goes by night. They much did not care who they were or are. But as time went by and education is rampant now every one has opened their eyes and started questioning the kind of life they had before and how they are living now, who they were before and who really they are now. Goans started comparing the kind of fearless life they use to live before and how they suffer in the present living with fear and uncertainty of next day. Under these circumstances Goans started thinking what was best for them to live comfortable then and now. I dont think Goans would blame India and complain it even as invasion over Goa if India's corrupt culture has not spoilt Goa totally, there is no law and order in present Goa. Look at Police Dept how deeply it is rotten, politically Goa is finished like. There are scams everywhere. There is fear and insecurity at every life root level. There is no one secure now a days even after Goans have imprisoned and barricaded themselves under grilled windows, grilled top roofs and even grilled doors? Under such circumstances Goans started comparing the life under Portugues Regime and Indian regime and expressed their disappointment. And if is trying t
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
There is no difference between invasion and conquest. Most Goans living in Goa today are happy and proud to be Indians. They do not want Goa to be independent from India. Why should they vote for Goa Su-Raj, which is run and supported by people who are not Indians? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Bernado Colaco wrote: > > India invaded Goa please read the UN > documents. After 61 most Goans were forced > to become Indians they had no choice. Nehru had promised > elections but there > were none. The nail was finally driven into the coffin when > in 1974 in a non > consultation process Goa was handed on a platter for > further colonization. > > > Congratulations to GS for telling how it is after 50 years > of neo colonization. > > BC > > Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India > conquered Goa in 1961. Most > Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why > would they want to > vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider > himself an Indian, and > holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? > > Cheers, > > Santosh > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
[Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
India invaded Goa please read the UN documents. After 61 most Goans were forced to become Indians they had no choice. Nehru had promised elections but there were none. The nail was finally driven into the coffin when in 1974 in a non consultation process Goa was handed on a platter for further colonization. Congratulations to GS for telling how it is after 50 years of neo colonization. BC Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India conquered Goa in 1961. Most Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why would they want to vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider himself an Indian, and holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? Cheers, Santosh *
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India conquered Goa in 1961. Most Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why would they want to vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider himself an Indian, and holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Bernado Colaco wrote: > > 1. No GS does not want to establish > dictatorship, but is pointing out that the > current system is a failure. > > 2. Secede from india are your words. Having said that 61 > was an invasion, we > were never part of a political india established by the > british. > > 3. GS is led by a Goan. > > 4. For 50 years we have seen how indians have screwed up > Goa. > > 5. Do not shoot from the ivory tower. Come down to Goa and > see for yourself the > ruins. > > BC >
[Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
1. No GS does not want to establish dictatorship, but is pointing out that the current system is a failure. 2. Secede from india are your words. Having said that 61 was an invasion, we were never part of a political india established by the british. 3. GS is led by a Goan. 4. For 50 years we have seen how indians have screwed up Goa. 5. Do not shoot from the ivory tower. Come down to Goa and see for yourself the ruins. BC I understand the diatribe against Uday Bhembro. But I have a hard time making sense of the contradictory claims made in the post appended below: 1. Does Goa Su-Raj party want to establish the pre-1961 dictatorial administration or continue with a democratic one? 2. Does it want Goa to secede from India and become independent or remain part of India? 3. Why would Goans who consider themselves Indian want to vote for Goa Su-Raj party, considering its founder does not consider himself an Indian? 4. If Portuguese are the worst of them all, wouldn't Indians be better than them? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
I understand the diatribe against Uday Bhembro. But I have a hard time making sense of the contradictory claims made in the post appended below: 1. Does Goa Su-Raj party want to establish the pre-1961 dictatorial administration or continue with a democratic one? 2. Does it want Goa to secede from India and become independent or remain part of India? 3. Why would Goans who consider themselves Indian want to vote for Goa Su-Raj party, considering its founder does not consider himself an Indian? 4. If Portuguese are the worst of them all, wouldn't Indians be better than them? Cheers, Santosh --- In goenchimxapo...@yahoogroups.com, "floriano" wrote: > >This has made me say that 'WE DO NOT WANT THE PORTUGUESE BACK, BUT WE >WANT >THE PORTUGUESE ADMINISTRATIVE SYSTEM (RULE) BACK. > . > > 5. I proudly say that I am a GOAN, not Portuguese, and definitely not >INDIAN. > .. > >The Portuguese are the worst of them all. > ... > > 6. My chief ambition in the formation of GOA SU-RAJ PARTY is to use the >democratic set-up that India has promoted in Goa (however vile it may be) >to >throw these unwanted and despicable High commands from Delhi, Nagpur >and >Maharashtra out of Goa once and for all and along with them Adv. Uday >Bhembre >and all other traitors of GOA , the New Delhi's main GOAN >(CONGRESS) >chamchas, for sure. If the Independence for Goa is not >possible, then I shall >vigorously fight for SPECIAL STATUS for Goa, that >which has been promised by >various high ranking 'charlatans' and which is >still a distant dream. >
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Any chance of Ole Xac becoming Governor of the Province of Goa sometime soon? FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 11 February 2011 09:13, Bernado Colaco wrote: > Hats off to Goa Suraj for having the courage to tell the truth. What the post > 61 > erstwhile regime has succeeded is only in brainwashing Goans. With scandals at > every corner it looks like a weak sub continent might be a colony of China in > the near future.
[Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Hats off to Goa Suraj for having the courage to tell the truth. What the post 61 erstwhile regime has succeeded is only in brainwashing Goans. With scandals at every corner it looks like a weak sub continent might be a colony of China in the near future. BC
