Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters - Only one

2009-06-26 Thread eric pinto
    I do plan on using Fredrick's material for sunday entertainment: the 
web-site belonging to  Mascarenhas, the casino comic's co-agitator, and admirer 
of "Pope Michael."  
   'Global paranoia' is a medical term, and it contrasts with the 
'encapsulated' form. The globe certainly appears to have offered Mascarenhas a 
large stage for his allencompassed  fears.  The pattern is not uncommon and, 
very sadly, the likes of Sukarno, Nasser and Ahmadinajad prevail, just too 
often.   eric.

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Santosh Helekar  wrote




Actually, according to one independent source posted on Goanet as just another 
version of history, the lone Goan patriot is a Chinese national quite happily 
serving under the communist dictatorial special administrative control of the 
government of China. Everybody else is a traitor, and ironically, a communist 
as well.
 






Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters - Only one

2009-06-25 Thread Santosh Helekar

Actually, according to one independent source posted on Goanet as just another 
version of history, the lone Goan patriot is a Chinese national quite happily 
serving under the communist dictatorial special administrative control of the 
government of China. Everybody else is a traitor, and ironically, a communist 
as well.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Thu, 6/25/09, J. Colaco < jc>  wrote:
>
> How could they come to liberate Goans and treat them in
> such a way?
> especially (what I understand to be) a gentle and kind Goan
> like Chico
> Monteiro?
>
> I remain surprised (or perhaps I should not be) that a good
> man like
> Pde Chico does not feature prominently in the writings of
> ostensibly
> fair-minded people in the Goa press or on Goanet.
>
>
> 2009/6/25 Bernado Colaco :
>
> I agree that PIDE was rough specially in Portugal, but you
> must also
> agree that the regime post 61 in Goa also acted in the same
> manner.
>
> Unfortunately Fr. Chico was the only Goan freedom fighter
> to have held
> the candle alone. Unlike the so called nameless freedom
> fighters that
> some is trying to eulogise on GN,  Fr. Chico Goa's
> only true Freedom
> Fighter worked for the benefit of Goan youth.
>




  


Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters - Only one

2009-06-25 Thread J. Colaco < jc>
Dear Bernado,

Except for the brief period before and after the 1967 Opinion Poll, I
am not aware of any PIDEesque 'roughing up' of Goans post-1961. Sure
there is a serious doubt whether Norman Dantas' death was by pure
accident, and the Goa journos have behaved (by and large) like wooses
and lackeys - but the topic at hand is NOT post-1961 Goa but pre-1961
Goa.

When I joined the Lar (a number of years after Pde Chico Monteiro had
'left' it),  I did notice that my seniors at the Lar were in awe of
him. On a number of occasions I heard them say how good a man he was
and how upset they were at his treatment. I never met the man - but
Dom Martins' script saddened me immensely.

How could they come to liberate Goans and treat them in such a way?
especially (what I understand to be) a gentle and kind Goan like Chico
Monteiro?

I remain surprised (or perhaps I should not be) that a good man like
Pde Chico does not feature prominently in the writings of ostensibly
fair-minded people in the Goa press or on Goanet.

BTW:  I am unable to tell you much about 'about the Goan Catholics
losing jobs at GMC just after the events of 61'.

First of all, there was No GMC "just after the events of '61'. It was
the Escola Medica.

Secondly, I was still in school in Poona in 1961. So, I would not know
for sure.

I did however happen to meet and get to know (very well) Dr. Rodrigues
(Aires' father) in Ribandar. He was running the Emergency Room, and I
was a second year MBBS student doing my rotation in Ribandar when I
first met him. A very decent and hard working man, Dr. Rodrigues. I
did not hear of any dismissals from the Escola Medica group, but I did
get the feeling that the Portuguese speaking Escola graduates were
suppressed.

BTW: It is good that we are (now) able to discuss these things openly,
and shed some of the hypocrisy some of us are up to.

jc


2009/6/25 Bernado Colaco :

I agree that PIDE was rough specially in Portugal, but you must also
agree that the regime post 61 in Goa also acted in the same manner.

Unfortunately Fr. Chico was the only Goan freedom fighter to have held
the candle alone. Unlike the so called nameless freedom fighters that
some is trying to eulogise on GN,  Fr. Chico Goa's only true Freedom
Fighter worked for the benefit of Goan youth.

The rest of Goan intellectuals were sacred of the fascist democracy.
Goans are still scared of bharat repercussions if they dissent. Goanet
please hold a poll.

Please tell us about the Goan Catholics losing jobs at GMC just after
the events of 61.

Best wishes

BC


[Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters - Only one

2009-06-24 Thread Bernado Colaco

Hello Doutor Jose,
 
I agree that PIDE was rough specially in Portugal, but you must also agree that 
the regime post 61 in Goa also acted in the same manner.
 
Unfortunately Fr. Chico was the only Goan freedom fighter to have held the 
candle alone. Unlike the so called nameless freedom fighters that some is 
trying to eulogise on GN,  Fr. Chico Goa's only true Freedom Fighter worked for 
the benefit of Goan youth.
 
The rest of Goan intellectuals were sacred of the fascist democracy. Goans are 
still scared of bharat repercussions if they dissent. Goanet please hold a 
poll. 
 
Please tell us about the Goan Catholics losing jobs at GMC just after the 
events of 61. 
 
Best wishes
 
BC
 
Whatever harm the goons of the Azad Gomantak Dal may have done to
Goa's civil society, it did not provide justification for the
suppressive actions by the PIDE against Goan intellectuals and other
members of Goan society.

Would you agree with me ?

BTW: I could not tell you if ALL the pre-1961Goan intellectuals were
innocent or not. I will only say that - unless they were found guilty
in a just court of law, they are presumed innocent.

There are numerous 'charges' and accusations. Unless they have been
proven or the criminal acts self-accepted, I suggest that we consider
the folk innocent.

Talking about violent acts (or what Mario Goveia would calls "acts of
terror") there are a few chaps who have proudly claimed ownership of
those acts, and have been rewarded for them.( I will locate the link
and post it another time)