[Goanet] Goan tailors in East Africa

2013-08-06 Thread manuel tavares


In the early days, Tailors were workers hired by people to who had special 
occasions like Weddings etc to sew garments for the bride to be and her 
relatives.the bride would take these clothes with her to her husbands house on 
wedding to commence her new life.. These Tailors moved from house to house and 
village to village performing their trade and earned their livelihood sewing 
clothes for those who hired them. With the migration of many Christian Goans to 
Africa, the work soon was uneconomical for them and they in turn migrated to 
Africa where they found a ready market for their trade.

I hate those like jc who accused me of demeaning the Indians when he in turn 
demeans his own Goan brethren Tailor by bringing up their lack of education in 
the English Language in a demeaning way. In spite of this shortcoming, these 
talented and industrious folk worked hard and provided for their families by 
doing the very best work as Tailors. I need not remind readers that in the 
British social strata, Tailors were considered middle class. Tailors children 
have also excelled in every sphere and to their credit they are not ashamed to 
say that their father was a tailor and they still Celebrate the feast of St 
Francis Xavier their patron saint and the patron saint of Goa.

Tailors were mainly from Salcete and with their very limited English, Cooks, 
Butlers and Bartenders were mainly from Bardez. The Main body of Goan migrants 
were however Clerks in the civil service and in the private sector. These 
clerks were very fortunate to have these Goan Tailors who stitched their suits 
by hand and made them appropriately dressed for the nature of work which they 
were performing. The Goan Tailor fulfilled a vital role in making suits and 
dressing the Goan Clerk appropriately. There were some who, even with their 
lack of education in English, were respected by not only Goans but by Europeans 
and Indians and latterly the African, who also patronized them, for their 
professionalism and perfection in making suits. I remember Alleluia Fernandes 
and Luis Fernandes who used to work as a cutter for Ahmed Brothers and used to 
have clients fly in from Europe to have their suits tailored by this firm and 
the chief cutter was of course (Mor) Luis Fernandes. Other famous tailors were 
Miguel Robin Fernandes, and Mr. Alfonso who had their own Tailoring 
establishments  whose clientele consisted of European, Asian, and African 
customers. It is a pity  that after independence, these tailors either returned 
to Goa or went to Europe and North America and did not pursue their trade 
there. I can assure you that the workmanship of these Tailors was of the very 
finest quality and the prices charged by them were very reasonable. 

It is true that the very clerks whom these Tailors served, denied them 
membership into their Social Clubs Like the Goan Institute , the Railway Goan 
Institute, and the Goan Gymkhana. They however formed their own club Called the 
Goan Tailor Society and did not miss having fun among themselves and not 
denying anyone who wanted to join in. The Cooks, Butlers and Barmen were also 
denied membership to the clerk's clubs and formed their own club called the 
Santa Cruz Club.The Cooks and butlers were also much respected as they produced 
the finest menus in all the top hotels and on board the trains and ships of the 
East African Railways and Harbours.The bartenders also could shake up some mean 
cocktails. 

Others could enhance my meager portrayal of these downtrodden Goans who were 
pioneers in East Africa and should have their place in history for their 
significant if not forgotten chapter in the cycle of Goan migration.


Re: [Goanet] Goan tailors in East Africa

2013-08-06 Thread Vivian A. DSouza
I remember very fondly our next door neighbors in our flat in Dar es Salaam, 
Tanzania (then
Tanganyika).  From birth till the age of 12 and a half when my parents returned 
to Goa, I spent a
lot of time with my neighbors who were all tailors.  In a single bedroom flat 
there were about 9 men, who I gather had left their wives behind in Goa.  Their 
beds were placed every where they could, with
a few sewing machines between the beds, where these men continued sewing late 
in the night.
They were employed by clothing shops mostly run by Indians during the day, and 
picked up additional work which theyperformed late through the night. Despite 
my mischeivous ways, they were a tolerant lot.  I remember them as being devout 
Catholics with pictures of the Sacred Heart with a oil lamp burning day and 
night, and also a picture of the Blessed Joseph Vaz.  I did not know what it 
all meant but their simple devotion was inspiring. While our family had a very 
cordial relationship with them and even exchanged kunswar at Christmas, it 
was obvious that there was
something different.  We did not socialize with them.  While we attended social 
functions at the
Goan Institute, these men did not.  I assumed that this was because they had so 
much work to do.
I remember in the days leading up to the Feast of St. Francis Xavier, they 
conducted a raffle, to which my Dad always subscribed, though I did not recall 
ever having won anything.

When I returned to Tanzania(Tanganyika) in 1959, I re-acquainted myself with 
the children of some
of these tailors.  The children had all studied at least through high school 
and had become clerks in the Government and nearly all of them had become 
members of the Goan Institute.  Whether membership of the Goan Institutes in 
East Africa was denied to their parents because they were
Tailors, I do not know.  I do know that Education was the great leveler.  I 
always remember these
simple men, with their diligent work ethic, and thrifty ways,  Some of them 
invested their money in
property and were economicallybetter off than the clerks !  


[Goanet] Goan Tailors in East Africa

2013-08-06 Thread Tony Barros

Thanx folks for resurrecting- this age old topic. Whilst many of you have made
many significant contributions, I would wish to expound on the subject.
To this effect, I will make reference to Dar es Salaam, Tanzania - although
it is believed that in Kampala, Uganda , and Nairobi and Mombasa in Kenya
-similar  practices were instituted.
 
In  December 1961, when  then Tanganyika got its independence from  Britain,
I was a mere 14 year-old and my parents decided that I should spend my long
vacation in  Dar es Salaam as opposed to returning to my hometown- Iringa
in southern Tanzania.
 
And since we had reciprocal arrangements among goan clubs in East Africa, I
could  visit the Goan Institite on the basis that my dad was a member of the
Iringa Goan Community Club.
 
During this period, I used to frequent the club daily and got greater insights 
into
certain anomalies- including the  barring of certain groups from membership.
 
I would hear  members talking about the   projected flooding with new african
members,  and sons of tailors who were very unpopular because they spoke konkani
in addition to and the crude way they spoke English which  some added was
 laced with profanity. Others voiced their concerns over the  holding of the 
popular
 tag dance (excuse me dance  in some other countries) where men would tap the 
shoulder of the male partner to dance with his  female partner.
 
Bottom line-  before independence, The Goan Institute restricted membership to 
people
who studied above Grade 10 (ten).  This was deliberately done to bar africans  
and 
certain categories of goans -  notably tailors, shoe-makers, caterers and 
mechanics.
 
There were few africans- mainly those who studied in catholic/christian  
schools who
completed Grade 10 and above; and some like Tanganyika's first President - 
Julius
Nyerere and Cabinet Minister , Nsilo Swai had Masters degrees. The Regional
Commissioner of Iringa was Wilbert Klerruu- the first black Tanzanian to get a 
doctorate .
 
But all the tailors and the others in those categories studied below Grade 10. 
Hence
this favored the Club as from their perspective, there  would be no problems-
notably fights. And since the colonial government believed in divide and rule,
they were not prepared  to intervene- even if approached- as to them this was 
trifles
 
As a result the Tailors formed  the Saint Francis of Xavier Tailors Society. 
They had
very few  activities -  as they were busy . Sometimes they organized a picnic,
but their main event was a grand dance on December  3.
 
This was a well attended event with the heavy consumption of alcohol and the 
folks
dancing away to the strains of some great music played by goan bands. The 
irony of
it all was that it was also  attended by some of the very people (invitees)  
who voted
against them joining the club. (I was not aware of the Santa Cruz cub for 
caterers in Nairobi).
 
I do not know about the goan clubs in the other major towns; however, in my 
hometown,
all the five tailors - basically two families linked by marriage- were members 
of the
club. And on Sunday afternoons, they would come over to our home for playing 
cards-notably trook sessions (popular in the U.K.) and  another card game-
ladice for the younger folks. They would later head to the club to play either
Tombola (bingo) or Whist Drive
 
I say this in no uncertain terms as certain goans have told me that they will 
never go to a
tailor's house, and likewise  will never invite them over. I never questioned 
them as I
got the message- loud and clear.
 
However, I was surprised to note that immediately after independence, the Goan 
Institute 
in Dar es Salaam raised the  entrance (application)  fee from 100 East African 
Shillings
to 500 Shs , and 200 T Shs with no voting rights. One could easily conclude 
that his was
aimed at   depriving   the  new africans and tailor members  of making any 
decisions
in the running of the club.
 
This not did not bode well with the government- and after about five years - 
following an
incident which temporaririly closed the club, the executive committee  was told 
to reduce the
entrance fee .
 
As stated by some of you, not only did the British , greeks and africans have 
thir clothes  made
by goan  tailors, but also the other Indians. This was very clear during the 
Hindu feast of Diwali
and the Muslim Idd--el -Fitr  after the 30-day fast.
 
Many of them formed their own large tailoring companies and others worked for 
Indian Clothing Stores. In many cases, they were ably assisted by their wives  
in the 
evenings and in some cases by their teenage children,
 
It is also sad to note that  there are still  cases in Tanzania where parents 
have refused to consent
to the marriage of their  children to a tailor's child; some have rebelled and 
married against
their parents' wishes,  whilst other have been forced to look for other 
spouses. This, as one can 
imagine, is a subtle form of casteism still existing in our 

Re: [Goanet] Goan tailors in East Africa

2013-08-04 Thread Gabe Menezes
RESPONSE: Jomo Kenyatta first President of independent Kenya had his suits
stitched by a Goan tailor in Nairobi - Alleluia Fernandes. Fernandes is
mentioned in Theresa Albuquerque's book on Kenya Goans; he came to Nairobi
as a young boy and got to stitching for the British Army and then moved on.
He was the first President of the Tailor's Society Nairobi. The Portuguese
Consul presented the Club with a small Caravel on their opening. I had the
good fortune of having my wedding morning suit stitched by the gentleman -
can't get into it now!


On 3 August 2013 21:24, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote:


 Antonio Menezes wrote:
 The reason why Goan tailors in the then East Africa were not held in
 high esteem  was because they had little or no knowledge of English
 language.  They hailed mostly from Salcete which in the pre-WW 2
 period  had . very few English schools. Comparatively other manual
 workers like caterers, mechanics etc. in E.A. had what one may call
 the advantage of knowing passable English.
 ---

 Antonio,
 Goan tailors in E. Africa were held in high esteem by their customers. In
 Tanzania those customers included President Nyerere. The only people who,
 deliberately, tried to lessen the status of Goan tailors, were their fellow
 Konkani speakers, Goans.

 This was (is?) because of the peculiar type of Christianity practiced by
 Goans. A practice where tailors, and carpenters, and I guess any other
 occupation that is out of favor, are given 'special status.'

 Thankfully, soon after independence in 1961, the Tanzanian Govt insisted
 that clubs end their religious and racial barrier policies. By the
 mid-1970's the clubs in Tanzania had admitted all the tailors who had
 applied for membership.


 Mervyn




-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.


[Goanet] Goan tailors in East Africa

2013-08-03 Thread Antonio Menezes
The reason why Goan tailors in the then East Africa were not held in
high esteem  was because they had little or no knowledge of English
language.  They hailed mostly from Salcete which in the pre-WW 2
period  had . very few English schools. Comparatively other manual
workers like caterers, mechanics etc. in E.A. had what one may call
the advantage of knowing passable English.


Re: [Goanet] Goan tailors in East Africa

2013-08-03 Thread Mervyn Lobo

Antonio Menezes wrote:
The reason why Goan tailors in the then East Africa were not held in
high esteem  was because they had little or no knowledge of English
language.  They hailed mostly from Salcete which in the pre-WW 2
period  had . very few English schools. Comparatively other manual
workers like caterers, mechanics etc. in E.A. had what one may call
the advantage of knowing passable English.
---

Antonio,
Goan tailors in E. Africa were held in high esteem by their customers. In 
Tanzania those customers included President Nyerere. The only people who, 
deliberately, tried to lessen the status of Goan tailors, were their fellow 
Konkani speakers, Goans. 

This was (is?) because of the peculiar type of Christianity practiced by Goans. 
A practice where tailors, and carpenters, and I guess any other occupation that 
is out of favor, are given 'special status.'

Thankfully, soon after independence in 1961, the Tanzanian Govt insisted that 
clubs end their religious and racial barrier policies. By the mid-1970's the 
clubs in Tanzania had admitted all the tailors who had applied for membership.

   
Mervyn