[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
Mario wrote: > I posted it to counter your arrant and oft-repeated poppycock about modern > Goa being "illegal" while forcibly > colonized Goa was somehow "legal". Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:52:17 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco There is very little sand on our beaches to bury your head. What about Sikkim, Nagaland, Assam, Hyderabad, Goa Damao and Diu, and Andaman Islands that were forcibly colonized. A colony therefore became a colonizer innit mate? Please read the UN information. Mario responds: Innit mate? I did not realize they spoke cockney in Macau, mate:-)) Actually, your comments about these parts of India are just as illegal as your comments about Goa, because these consolidations were all part of kicking out the illegal European colonists after the era of colonization was over and forming the new country of India. In the meantime, I hope you have learned what a treaty means. The treaty between Portugal and India means that Portugal legally gave up its illegal claim on Goa, and Goa now belongs to India, regardless of what you or anyone else says.
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
There is very little sand on our beaches to bury your head. What about Sikkim, Nagaland, Assam, Hyderabad, Goa Damao and Diu, and Andaman Islands that were forcibly colonized. A colony therefore became a colonizer innit mate? Please read the UN information. BC Is it "information exchanged between two colonial powers"?? No, it is a treaty between one ex-colonial power and one?power that used to be a colony. I?posted it to counter your arrant and oft-repeated poppycock about modern Goa being "illegal" while forcibly colonized Goa was somehow "legal".
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:03:55 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco Did Goans subscribe to the below treaty. Do Goans know about this 'treaty'. It is information exchanged between two colonial powers innit? http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_6/27/28/00053352.pdf Mario responds: Did "Goans" subscribe to the treaty? Who are you talking about? Some did, some did not. Do Goans know about this treaty? Some do. Some do not. You obviously did not. Is it "information exchanged between two colonial powers"? No, it is a treaty between one ex-colonial power and one power that used to be a colony. I posted it to counter your arrant and oft-repeated poppycock about modern Goa being "illegal" while forcibly colonized Goa was somehow "legal".
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
Did Goans subscribe to the below treaty? Do Goans know about this 'treaty'. It is information exchanged between two colonial powers innit? http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_6/27/28/00053352.pdf BC
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Valmiki Faleiro wrote: > And it looks like, in your exceptionally unexpressed (below) hate-India > sentiment, you forgot some basic > facts on the issues of out-migration and in-migration that affected Portugal > down history (hardly relevant to > what I was talking about -- Goa.) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:16:29 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco In Goa the migrants are all illegal since under the UN charter the action of Bharat was an invasion. Goa was sovereign under Portuguese rule. Mario observes: Hey, Bernardo, Your comments above are illegal under the following treaty. http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_6/27/28/00053352.pdf
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Prof. Val, I think you may have mistaken Portugal in- migration to say that of the UK. Please follow the link below for more info. Clearly there are illegals in Portugal. In Goa the migrants are all illegal since under the UN charter the action of Bharat was an invasion. Goa was sovereign under Portuguese rule. Your Kadamba story does not work in modern times. BC Lisboa – Segundo o relatório o divulgado esta terça-feira pelo Serviço de Estrangeiros e Fronteiras (SEF), verifica-se que os brasileiros permanecem no topo da lista de população estrangeira a viver em Portugal, seguidos pelos ucranianos e cabo-verdianos. A plena aplicação da nova lei de estrangeiros está a permitir perceber o verdadeiro peso das várias nacionalidades na população imigrante em Portugal. Segundo o relatório divulgado hoje pelo SEF registou-se um aumento de 1 por cento do número de imigrantes em 2008 (440 277) em relação a 2007 (435 736), dos quais os brasileiros com permanência regular passaram de 66.354 em 2007 para 106.961 em 2008. http://jornaldigital.com/noticias.php?noticia=18907 BC Since the late 1990s, in-migrant flows from ex-African colonies (Cabo Verde and Angola), Brazil -- and more recently Ukraine, Moldova and other ex-Soviet nations, have descended on Portugal. The actual figure of these alone is placed at 6,00,000 (there are 2,00,000 illegal migrants.) And what figures are you talking about, sitting in Macao?
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I guess it is easy to write on the blame game rather than what the mess we are in since 1961. Clearly the articles albeit negative from V will bring a fresh air to the stupid posts on religion and science that we see on this forum day in day out. BC
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Roland, Thank you for (the anticipated) reading. Senhor Antonio Bernardo may or may not like to read. Don't enthuse him much. Good ole Ole Xac may not like what I have to say about the Portuguese handling Goa's economy, which indirectly contributed to the present state of Goa. Nothing new here. Great men have said this before. I'm just re-circulating old stuff for the benefit of those who may not know, particularly in the younger generations. Tongue-in-cheek about you, I'm sure y'know, Ole Xac! Rgds, v - Original Message - From: "Roland Francis" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009 Dear Antonio Bernardo Colaco: I copy my post of Oct 11, 2007 to you. Valmiki has now after a year and a half fired the first cannon shot of the lengthy series of articles he promised on Goodbye Goa. I for one will be reading every word. Power to your pen Valmiki. Roland
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Antonio Bernardo Colaco: I copy my post of Oct 11, 2007 to you. Valmiki has now after a year and a half fired the first cannon shot of the lengthy series of articles he promised on Goodbye Goa. I for one will be reading every word. Power to your pen Valmiki. Roland. - Original Message - From: "Valmiki Faleiro" To: "Roland Francis" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Goodbye Goa Exmo Sr Antonio Colaco, I hope you have been reading Valmiki's series about Goa. He promises that in a few weeks he will write the final piece called "Goodbye Goa". In that he will encompass most of what he told me. The gist of that is Goa has many times been washed over with migrants and this time the migrants are again going to bathe Goa in a flood much like the previous times. What effects it will have on today's Goa I will leave to his article. If I recounted all he had told me, I would not be able to do so accurately, and I would be intruding on his article. In fact come to think of it he never told me his conclusions of this latest migrant wave. So I shall be reading his article with as much expectation as you and many others. Roland. 1-416-453-3371 Mr. Roland, After all what did you learn from Mr. Valmiki Faleiro? Could you just give a short information? António Bernardo Colaço
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Selma, Thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot. And, on a more hopeful note, I wish you will write for the press media in Goa more than you currently do! Reciprocally, v - Original Message - From: "Carvalho" To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009 Dear Valmiki, From the time I have known you in cyberspace you have consistly come across as a man of integrity. Your wonderful style and indept knowledge of Goan politics has been a treat to read all these years. Your column will be sorely missed but on a positive note your much-awaited contribution to the annals of Goan history and literature can now begin. Warm regards, selma
Re: [Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
Dear Valmiki, >From the time I have known you in cyberspace you have consistly come across as >a man of integrity. Your wonderful style and indept knowledge of Goan politics >has been a treat to read all these years. Your column will be sorely missed >but on a positive note your much-awaited contribution to the annals of Goan >history and literature can now begin. Warm regards, selma
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa: HERALD(Goa), Apr 19, 2009
GOODBYE GOA By Valmiki Faleiro Nothing in the universe is static. Everything is dynamic. Change is inevitable. That is Mother Nature’s basic law. All manner of things – including humans – change or evolve, usually for the better, at times for the worse. I write this with a heavy heart, not with an objective mind. For two reasons: one major, the other incidental. First the major. All good things, they say, must come to an end. The Goa we once knew – the land, people, music, food, culture, the East-West blended fabric – as most of us would know, is changing. For the worse. The Goa we knew is dying. Let’s delve into this sad story over the next few weeks. The “incidental” reason. This ‘Goodbye Goa’ series marks the end of *All-‘n’-Sundry.* Even if I have no idea of how good (or bad or indifferent) this Sunday column has been! There sure was reader feedback, albeit mostly from non-resident Goans who read the column via e-mail or internet mail lists. I have written every Sunday for the last three and half years, without a break. Goa has many talented writers and I hope one of them will take over. The real reason I need to stop this weekly distraction, though, is to help me concentrate on some other serious writing work I always dreamt of doing. (I had started this column with some pieces on Margao; I shall end it with a few more on my hometown, at the end of this series.) * * * * * For the fundamentally changing profile of Goa, everyone blames migrants. Rich migrants from India’s metros, and the bulk, poor migrants, in search of better economic prospects. From all over the country. From Punjab to the five North-Eastern sisters, from Kashmiris and Lamanis at every Goan beach to Malayalees and Tamils, with whom, incidentally, we have a historic link, dating back to the 16th century. Are migrants really to blame? They admittedly are the most visible manifestation of the metamorphosis that Goa is undergoing, but I do not subscribe to the view that migrants are the only – or even the chief – cause. It lies elsewhere, as we shall see later in this series. Besides, Goa, down history, has been a land of migrants. It would be worth the while to begin here. To review that interesting kaleidoscope of a story of how Goa got populated. From between 4,000 BC or 3,000 BC, upto 1961. I guess it’s more or less accepted that the so-called ‘Goan Identity’ is as it was on the dawn of December 19, 1961. Beginning the next Sunday, let us briefly run through the story of in-migrations to Goa. From the Proto-Australoid or Austro-Asiatic tribals from south and central India, to the Indo-Aryans from north or north-eastern India, to a sprinkling of our countrymen from across the Ghats, till the morn of self-rule. For sequence and chronology, I shall rely on Anant R. Sinai Dhume’s ‘The Cultural History of Goa’ (1986), now reprinted. But take it with a pinch of salt. Dhume himself, at Pg.64, added a caveat: “Now, let me describe the tribes … possibly on a chronological scale, warning that the chronology is tentative upto the advent of the first wave of Aryans in Goa.” * * * * * AN APPEAL: I appeal to you to exercise your franchise on April 23. Voting is a sacred right. Many around the world have been imprisoned, tortured and killed, fighting for that privilege. I know you may be disgusted with the local scene, but please keep the national perspective in mind. If deciding who to vote is difficult, remember it simply boils down to just one question: who would you like to steer India’s destiny over the next five years? People like Dr. Manmohan Singh, PC Chidambaram, etc., or people like Lal Krishna Advani, Narendra Modi, etc.? There, you have your candidate! In North Goa, you have one for the former (Congress/NCP), one for the latter (BJP). In South Goa, you’re luckier. You have one for the former, and a choice of two for the latter! * * * * * SUPREME INFALLIBILITY: The Supreme Court of India is the flavour of the times in Goa. Mull over this maxim: “The Supreme Court is not supreme because it is infallible; it is infallible because it is supreme.” (ENDS.) The Valmiki Faleiro weekly column at: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=330 == The above article appeared in the April 19, 2009 edition of the Herald, Goa
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