Re: [Goanet] Gulab Jaam (Was: Goa is............)/to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ If Mario relied on being read much more than relying on commonsense he would know that elites in society who claim elitism by birth do not espouse education because they are led to believe by their mentors that they do not need the mundanity of an education. The real elites in Europe hardly had any formal education except for what was provided in royal and linked circles for elite functions. Indeed, the current generation of royalty in the UK, like Charles, are the first to see the insides of a university. The Queen herself in the UK has no educational qualification whatsoever! This has never stopped her from being supremely elitist in everything she does! Clearly too, in terms of experience, Mario appears not to have encountered totally uneducated and illiterate brahmin people, and the like, who believe they have inborn characteristics that make them superior to any formally and highly educated and successful person. Such is the paradox of elitism. Whether we are discussing elitism or snobbery, the crux of the issue in this discussion is surely the empty elitism or snobbery of some based on their personal beliefs rather than on verifiable facts that might determine their elite status. Just some quick thoughts. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:34 Mario observes: I have never met an uneducated Goan who was either elitist or snobbish. The most snobbish Goans that I have met have been supposedly high caste Goans, those who identify with the previous colonial masters, and highly educated NRIs who tend to deny that they are either elitist or snobbish. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Gulab Jaam (Was: Goa is............)/to Cornel
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ On 10/12/06, Carvalho wrote: I think Goan society is still very elitist, which is funny really because the most pretentious of the lot are generally the least educated. --- Frederick \FN\ Noronha wrote: You mean snobbish? FN Mario observes: I have never met an uneducated Goan who was either elitist or snobbish. The most snobbish Goans that I have met have been supposedly high caste Goans, those who identify with the previous colonial masters, and highly educated NRIs who tend to deny that they are either elitist or snobbish. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] Gulab Jaam (Was: Goa is............)/to Cornel
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Oddly enough Selma your experiences where different from mine probably because it was a party of Lusophiles. I went to the Fundacao to get information on scholarships for a family member and no one at the reception spoke Portuguese which to me was very surprising. I mean how many people at the British Council do not speak English? Every foreign agency in Japan was manned by English speaking Japanese. I am sure there are some who do speak Portuguese but they weren't there on that day they weren't at the front desk. And contrary to what your friend told you there are many people who speak very good Portuguese and not 'Português de cozinha' so they could be hired! Now I am not trying to tell the Fundacao how to run its shop just a few contrarian thoughts on a cool, Sunday morning to quote Fred. You went to a party which was technically a gathering of Lusophiles so people were bound to speech Portuguese. Believe me if you were to go to a US function in Japan no one would have bothered to speak Japanese to you. Also I would like to state that not everyone who speaks Portuguese is doing so because they are snobs and want to draw an imaginary line. Many like me speak it because it was the first language we spoke and the language we still speak to our close relatives and friends. Its just what we are used to - we also speak English and Konkani even though many people who don't speak Portuguese refuse to speak Konkani now. I don't know why but I got flogged several times (Toronto and London) because I spoke Portuguese - I like speaking the language I was raised speaking but then I like speaking all the languages that I know. What is the big deal about speaking Portuguese? If you like a language all you have to do is buy Rosetta Stone, practice everyday and maybe do an immersion program in Portugal/Brazil. I think Goan society is still very elitist, which is funny really because the most pretentious of the lot are generally the least educated. If you are implying that the people on the day of that party were pretentious because they did not speak English to you and so were not educated I cant comment as I wasn't at that party. But in defense of my family I would say that many still speak Portuguese because they studied the language, spoke it all their lives like we do English and suddenly life as they knew changed. In spite of that they did reinvent themselves and all speak very good English. They are also highly educated but I would not call them snobs. You are meeting the wrong people Selma - come visit us in Goa! Helga I think Goan society is still very elitist, which is funny really because the most pretentious of the lot are generally the least educated. selma Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
