[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Is Goan Indian? Wishing all Goanetters a very happy New Year. Belatedly nonetheless sincerely meant. A nationality is determined by a number of common factors. Unless of course coercion is the glue that binds. Hence what is it that makes a Goan and an Indian? Language? Religion? Cuisine? Dress? Mannerisms? Culture? Sports? Ethnicity? For anyone to lay claim to common modern Indian nationality I believe the above criteria needs be fulfilled. Hence is there commonality in all or at least a majority of the requirements betwixt Goemcars and the modern nation of India? Is Goan Indian? Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Xanno Moidecar No matter how much I explain to you, you will never become xanno. Obvious reason being which place you were born in! Therefore xanno or no xanno, if born in Indian subcontinent, now, before or after, no atter what colour or creed or shape or size. You are _ _ _ _ _ (fill in)
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:08:01 + From: Cajetan Alvares No matter how much I explain to you, you will never become xanno. Obvious reason being which place you were born in! Therefore xanno or no xanno, if born in Indian subcontinent, now, before or after, no atter what colour or creed or shape or size. You are _ _ _ _ _ (fill in) Mario observes: Not true, Cajetan, this Moidekar actually happens to be xanno, though we have no idea who he is. I see you, too, have been distracted by Samir's red bangadas. Where you were born is a matter of random chance you had no control over. The country you later choose to be a citizen of is a matter of informed and intelligent choice. In most case the informed and intelligent choice is to ratify the random chance. In many cases it is not. There are entire countries where almost all the citizens, except for small numbers of indigenous people, have an ancestry, now, before or after, from somewhere else. Perhaps you have heard of these countries which are Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA. Now, can we get back to the discussion about the growing mess in Goa and what to do about it?
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
I thank Mr Goveia for intimating that I may be ‘xanno’. I am grateful for his kindness but I wouldn’t be too sure about that. I hasten to assure Mr Cajetan Alvares that my assumption of the ‘xanno’ sobriquet has merely been an attempt for the last couple of decades or so to play with the hereditary tag my fellow ganvcars have been saddled with for centuries. It is a bit sad though that Mr Alvares has such a low opinion of Moidecars per se. But then weighed down with intelligence as he so obviously is, it must be difficult for one of Mr Alvares’ calibre to suffer fools gladly. Now for Mr Alvares’ fill in the blank: “I am born on the Indian subcontinent, etc., etc., hence my nationality is…….” I wasn’t. And Mr Alvares please clarify whether the person completing that sentence would have been born post or prior 1945 and if after the end of the British Indian State in which of the three nations of the sub-continent. Secondly Mr Alvares pray tell me why you consider yourself an Indian. I insinuate no insult here. I just want Mr Alvares’ notion of nationhood delineated. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
And Mr Alvares please clarify whether the person completing that sentence would have been born post or prior 1945 Secondly Mr Alvares pray tell me why you consider yourself an Indian. Xanno Moidecar Does not matter post or prior. British and Portugalees were invaders of the Indian Sub. Any one born in India is Indian, If the British or the other wanted you to be one of them, it is their prerogative.
[Goanet] Is Goan Indian?
I accept that birth is one of the criteria that allow a person to claim citizenship of a country. But this reminds me of the late British comedian Bernard Manning known for his xenophobic commentaries. One of his quips that always drew a big laugh from the racists amongst his audience was: “Just because a bitch gives birth in a stable does not make her puppies racehorses.” Now Mr Alvares, unpleasantly put as that was, tell me what besides birth makes you an Indian. Also what does it make those born before 1963 when Goem was part of the Portuguese nation? What about all those Goemcars born outside Goem? I stress again, I do not want to insult you or your obvious pride in your Indian citizenship. I am just worried that our pride and patriotism in our Indian-ness may be making us blind to the damage that Liberation has brought along with freedom and relative liberty. I am still trying to make sense of the fact that in 1963 after having rid ourselves of the influences that drastically altered, if not destroyed our traditional culture; we have now been saddled with a plethora of other Indian nationalities vying like hell to make Goem in their own image. I would have been extremely proud to declare my affection and pride in my mul Indian heritage if only my Goemcar one had been preserved and not swamped by an overwhelming tsunami bent on subjugating Goemcar-ponn and pouring in torrents from the rest of the subcontinent. Sincerely Xanno Moidecar
