Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
Let me add, that this is a very timely and beneficial exchange at a time when new Pontiff takes over: The Constantine gambit, whereby Roman Imperial aspirations were supported by a some 'doctrinal collaborators', put Christian ideology into a cement mold of 'historical context' which may indeed have been 'providential' in that 'it worked' ---'true', *for its place and time'*. The person of Jesus and the narratives surrounding him are our 'veritable' signposts which 'in the fullness of evolutionary time' must give way to 'a different way of seeing' (Teilhard). All avenues of religious culture are part of a process whereby the core of cosmic reality is 'revealed'. As Ghandi said, "all of (the roads) lead to the same Centre; and none of them are perfect'. No need to think in terms of 'right' or 'wrong', 'true or 'not true'. The Asian counterpart of Teilhard was Sri Aurobindo, and the late Dr. K.D. Sethna (of Aurobindo Ashram, Pondicherry) did a book comparing & contrasting Aurobindo & Teilhard. *The Spirituality of the Future, *published (1981) by Associated University Presses Inc. ISBN 0-8386-2028-0. I got a copy from (I think) Amazon, but no doubt it will be at the Aurobindo Ashram Bookshop. It is a rather dense read, but for serious 'seekers' in the Asian Region I'd say---*'significant'*. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Eugene Correia wrote: > Ana Maria Fernandes seems to have a beef with the Catholic Church. However, > it would be nice on her part to inform if she is a Believer or a Catholic > or an Atheist. It would then help us to answer more pointedly. > Besides the books that Dan has mentioned there's are lot of other books > which will provide Ana with answers. At the same time there are lot of > books which will pose the same questions she's been raising and many more. > Books such as Is the Pope Infaalible? by Fr. Hans Kung is good for a start > if one has to know the challenges thrown to the dogmatic church. > But there are books that provide theological insights into Catholicism and > Ana Maria could perhaps find many books at seminaries in Goa. I found lot > of answers to many questions I had in the library of St. Michael's in > Toronto. > Admittedly, the Church has no answers to many historical questions. The > answer to Who is Jesus and How He Became Christ is still NOT fully > answered. There are hundreds of books on Jesus and His Ministry. > Most importantly, it's faith in the unknown that helps carry on forward in > one's religious life. Without faith, one can end up being an agnostic or > atheist. The choice is one's own. > > Eugene >
[Goanet] Is our religion a true religion ?
Ana Maria ? If I were to answer your question , I would rather timidly say that no true answer may ever be found to your excellent query. The main principles of Christianity were laid down by Jesus Christ before His Crucifixion in 33 AD.Roman Emperor Constantine gathered together all the decentralized Christian sects of Roman Empire at ( Council of ) Nicaea and with the help of savants of various Christian denominations arrived at what we may call THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE IN in 325 AD. Between Christ's Crucifixion and adoption of centralized Christianity at Nicaea in 325 AD , three hundred years had elapsed within which period original Christian doctrines may have undergone various changes and impurities could have seeped in . ( Why, didn't we incorporate confraria principles in Goa ? ) As for your queries on this belief and that belief, let me say that it is possible that a Pope here and there could have converted some superstitious beliefs into dogmas on the ground that he is not only omniscient but infallible as well.
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
"In today’s world, only the mother knows who is her child. Rest all is affidavit before mamlatdar". Cheers to this doc. Much appreciated. Need of Solomon the King with his sword to dispense JUSTICE Can't see this on GOA"s immediate horizons. flo goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: "Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:27 AM Subject: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ? On 1 July 2013 17:26, Ana Maria Fernandes wrote: No our religion is not true. Peter is not the first pope. Prove that he was the first pope. If he was a pope why was he murdered? Mary in catholic churches is only a diety. priests blesses and insences the idiols. they are adoring statues. what ever is blessed by priest becomes a god. Mary was never born without original sin nor she is the mother of God. Jesus was not born on 25th nDecember. let any priest proof this Response Don’t know about your religion neither that of Bin Laden. Peter was the rock on which Jesus built his church. Peter’s surname was not Pope, like Alexander or John. He was Simon Peter. Peter was not murdered but executed. Pope John Paul II was shot. In our church, and even in all homes, Mary is mother of God. Priest blessed my car, my car is not my God. I have seen babies born hairy, bald, with defects, teeth. Have you seen any with Original sin? In today’s world, only the mother knows who is her child. Rest all is affidavit before mamlatdar. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. =
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
Ana Maria Fernandes seems to have a beef with the Catholic Church. However, it would be nice on her part to inform if she is a Believer or a Catholic or an Atheist. It would then help us to answer more pointedly. Besides the books that Dan has mentioned there's are lot of other books which will provide Ana with answers. At the same time there are lot of books which will pose the same questions she's been raising and many more. Books such as Is the Pope Infaalible? by Fr. Hans Kung is good for a start if one has to know the challenges thrown to the dogmatic church. But there are books that provide theological insights into Catholicism and Ana Maria could perhaps find many books at seminaries in Goa. I found lot of answers to many questions I had in the library of St. Michael's in Toronto. Admittedly, the Church has no answers to many historical questions. The answer to Who is Jesus and How He Became Christ is still NOT fully answered. There are hundreds of books on Jesus and His Ministry. Most importantly, it's faith in the unknown that helps carry on forward in one's religious life. Without faith, one can end up being an agnostic or atheist. The choice is one's own. Eugene
[Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
On 1 July 2013 17:26, Ana Maria Fernandes wrote: > No our religion is not true. Peter is not the first pope. Prove that he > was the first pope. If he was a pope why was he murdered? Mary in catholic > churches is only a diety. priests blesses and insences the idiols. they are > adoring statues. what ever is blessed by priest becomes a god. Mary was > never born without original sin nor she is the mother of God. Jesus was not > born on 25th nDecember. let any priest proof this Response Don’t know about your religion neither that of Bin Laden. Peter was the rock on which Jesus built his church. Peter’s surname was not Pope, like Alexander or John. He was Simon Peter. Peter was not murdered but executed. Pope John Paul II was shot. In our church, and even in all homes, Mary is mother of God. Priest blessed my car, my car is not my God. I have seen babies born hairy, bald, with defects, teeth. Have you seen any with Original sin? In today’s world, only the mother knows who is her child. Rest all is affidavit before mamlatdar. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
If I may be so bold as to recommend reading which I think might he helpful. Contemporary 'religious truth' is, I think, better comprehended in a 'space/time' evolutionary context---as distinct from a 'Mediterranean Classical' mindset. Read from works of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, French Jesuit, d. 1955 (*The Divine Milieu*), & (Canadian) Tom Harpur (*The Pagan Christ*/*Water into Wine) *--- those works are in print, and should click up on* Amazon* or *Flipkart.* On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Ana Maria Fernandes < amferns_n...@hotmail.com> wrote: > No our religion is not true. Peter is not the first pope. Prove that he > was the first pope. If he was a pope why was he murdered? Mary in catholic > churches is only a diety. priests blesses and insences the idiols. they are > adoring statues. what ever is blessed by priest becomes a god. Mary was > never born without original sin nor she is the mother of God. Jesus was not > born on 25th nDecember. let any priest proof this >
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
On 2 July 2013 22:44, floriano lobo wrote: > What are you trying to prove Ana Marie Fernandes? > > Cheers > Let me guess... * That FLoriano is not the only one to be able to rile up a whole lot of poeple with a few online b(i)tes? * That JC is not the only one who can reply a question with a question? * That a religious controversy is best to pep up Goanet when even Goa is drenched? * That a Florian would ask, and a me would bother to answer? :-) FN
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
What are you trying to prove Ana Marie Fernandes? Cheers - Original Message - From: "Ana Maria Fernandes" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:56 PM Subject: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ? No our religion is not true. Peter is not the first pope. Prove that he was the first pope. If he was a pope why was he murdered? Mary in catholic churches is only a diety. priests blesses and insences the idiols. they are adoring statues. what ever is blessed by priest becomes a god. Mary was never born without original sin nor she is the mother of God. Jesus was not born on 25th nDecember. let any priest proof this =
Re: [Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
On 1 July 2013 12:26, Ana Maria Fernandes wrote: (1) Peter is not the first pope. (2) Prove that he was the first pope. (3) If he was a pope why was he murdered? Comment: Ola Ana Maria. re 1: Please tell us .If Peter was not the first Pope, who was? re 2: You prove that Peter was NOT the first Pope. re 3: Hunh? ps: I am sure it really matters whether Peter was or wasn't the first pope. BTW: I (like my 'friend' from the BJP) always thought that Pope Francis from Old Goa was the first pope.
[Goanet] is our religion a true religion ?
No our religion is not true. Peter is not the first pope. Prove that he was the first pope. If he was a pope why was he murdered? Mary in catholic churches is only a diety. priests blesses and insences the idiols. they are adoring statues. what ever is blessed by priest becomes a god. Mary was never born without original sin nor she is the mother of God. Jesus was not born on 25th nDecember. let any priest proof this
