[Goanet] It's the economy, stupid --or it a Barack Market???
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html In the post above Santosh wrote: I think this understates the extent to which conservatives are being oppressed and victimized in this forum and on the talk radio. The truth is that there is actually a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives hatched by Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Marlon heads the Goanet contingent. In response, Gabe Menezes wrote: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views. Mario responded: Gabe, Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-)) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:48:50 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] You think you are being clever? Mario observes: Yes, clearly I am far more clever than you are. For example, I could see that it was your friend, Santosh, who lumped your friend, Marlon, in with various terrorists and ne'er do wells who he said were part of a world-wide conspiracy against American conservatives. I think even your Cockney friends would be able to understand what Santosh wrote. I'm still waiting for evidence from you that banks consistently charge prime rates that are lower than interbank rates, yet stay in business. We have already shown that there is no evidence that the interbank rate touched 23%, or that interest rates were the highest during the Reagan administration. Gabe wrote: You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous. Mario observes: I think even your Cockney friends would refer to this as the pot calling the kettle black.
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/11/8 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST) Mario asks: Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists? RESPONSE: What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views. ..Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney brother-in-arms in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-)) RESPONSE: Cockney? I think there was one Cockney (London East Ender) on this forum but he has left - if there are any East Enders on this forum, please make yourselves known to the bigoted one. Cut/copy and paste are far, far lesser evils than writing dreams about Gorgeous Air India hostesses and then passing them off as fact i.e. one's personal experiences, to try and vault into limelight. Furthermore neither regret nor shame are expressed for this blatant attempt to exalt oneself into the realms of reality, what an utterly despicable, bogus individual. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario asks: Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists? Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:12:01 + From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] What pathetic excuse of a man, beneath contempt, calling Goanetters terrorists - just because they do not reflect his views. Mario responds: Gabe, Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-)) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html
Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ANKA SERVICES For all your Goa-based media needs - Newspapers and Electronic Media Newspaper Adverts, Press Releases, Press Conferences www.ankaservices.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/11/10 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mario responds: Gabe, Shame on you for referring to your good friend, Santosh, in such harsh terms, even though I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to lump your friend, Marlon, in with all these terrorists and ne'er do wells when he called him the leader of the Goanet contingent:-)) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-November/083463.html RESPONSE: You think you are being clever? You have stated here oft enough that you are the first to apologize when needed. Well you wrote a piece which has gone on record for posterity. Now why can't you do the honourable thing and withdraw the same with an apology? You have lied through your teeth and you treat your lies as being frivolous. We are not amused, as the maam would say. I suppose it is to be expected - like the Gods you follow from your Republican party, lying comes naturally to you. Don't expect to be taken seriously on this forum, have you no self respect? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: marlon menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The state of the union: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM; Mario asks: Is this the same intrepid hit and run bomb thrower whom Santosh said was the head of the Goanet verbal-terrorist contingent allied against conservatives along with the following motley crew, most of whom are real terrorists? Islamic terrorists, Ahmadinejad and Obama in collaboration with Hugo Chavez, Castro brothers, Chicago thugs, Palestinians, the Clintons, Levinsky, Farrakhan, Ayres, Wright, Rezko, and their many childhood Muslim and communist friends. Seems like he has been reduced to denying he is a liberal Democrat and has joined his Cockney brother-in-arms in cutting and pasting the work of others from YouTube, innit?:-))
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2008/11/5 Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet stupid. It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy. QUESTION: Is it pronounced Cajie de 'N' 'J' or 'NIJ' to rhyme or should it be it like, our shashtikars would call it, Caitan de baitan..what ever that means. Here's something stupid:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BdiAQmEaf0feature=related -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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The state of the union: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNmcf4Y3lGM; --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!! To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 3:13 PM 2008/11/5 Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet stupid. It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy.
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario, Your President elect is from a third world country. Mario responds: As we have seen about so much of the information that Mervyn posts on Goanet, this, too, is false.
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Mario responds: Jim, How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist attack on your city, and c) has no idea of how it was the Democrats, including Barack Obama, who were at the forefront of forcing the banking system to lower credit standards to encourage low income Americans to buy homes rather than rent? Did you even know that Barack Obama was the HIGHEST recipient per year of political contributions from the PAC's of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to protect them from closer scrutiny, along with other Democrat Senators and Congressmen like Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and Charles Schumer? Regarding Obama working with you guys, can you cite me any examples of where Barack Obama has worked closely with Republicans on anything other than sign on to one piece of legislation they authored on reducing nuclear arms? Isn't it a fact that he has voted 100% with his Democrat colleagues in Congress? Do you ever let facts get in the way of your emotional and hysterical diatribes? Here, once again, is my version of George Bush's legacy. See if you can post some facts that contradict what I have written or something I may have missed. http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=2749 Finally, I am going to be interested in seeing how Obama is going to satisfy Warren Buffet on one side and George Soros on the other. Patriots like Colin Powell and Merrill McPeak on one hand and anti-Americans like Rev. Wright, Fr. Pfleger, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan on the other. The Palestinians, Al Qaeda, Hamas and Iran on one hand, who all endorsed him, and the Jews on the other, who will now find out what REAL survival is like with an uncertain US behind them. We will all find out soon enough.
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You want to debate me? Common Mario, I thought the debate was OVER last night! Haven't you been watching the TV? In case you missed it, you now have a new president and his name is Barack Obama. And he is a Democrat. An overwhelming majority of Americans agreed with Obama's idea of what America should be doing to fix our problems - not the crap that you, Bush or McCain have been feeding to brainwash us. Just to make my point, if Mario's arguments in support of the Republican party were so good, why on earth did they loose by a landslide? The only answer comes to mind, is ofcourse the aptly titled subject line of this thread: It's the economy, stupid. Jim Fernandes. New York. -- Original message -- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 06:12:05 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Mario responds: Jim, How is one supposed to debate someone like you who lives in New York but has no idea that a) we had seven years of growth in the US under President Bush 41, b) has no idea how Bill Clinton's policies throughout the 90's led to the terrorist ... ... ...
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If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist we didn't bomb enough)), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly present votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions...
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Obama is a communist, the secret love-child of some deceased Russian leader. Brezhnev's last words were O bama leading one to believe his paternal claims. Barak in Spanish means terrorist, he is the second cousin of Hugo Chavez and has a Venezuelan birth certificate. Iran has made Michelle Obama an honorary citizen and head of the Dept of Anti-Western studies at Teheran University. Obama was in the supermarket last week shopping on aisle 3 and on aisle 12 there was a former Gaza refugee who witnessed a suicide bombing in Palestine. Obama bought the same milk brand as a lady on aisle 6 who cheated on her boyfriend in college. Regards, George --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man.
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Chris Vaz wrote: In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home loans affordableregardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans.. Chris, The collapse of the western banking system was triggered last year. It was because mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who were not qualified. This could only happen because banking laws, that were in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him. When Bush was elected for the second time, I went long on defence and oil stocks. Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago. I can almost guarantee you that he will put into place basic health care for all Americans while cutting on 'spreading democracy' in the Middle East. It is the change we need. Am shorting HMO's and defence stocks. Mervyn3.0 BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world. __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
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--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. His experience as a community organizer, and affiliations with the likes of Rev. Wright,(an America-hater and spiritual mentor of Obama for 20 years), William Ayres (an unrepentant terrorist we didn't bomb enough), Tony Rezko (a convicted slumlord and Obama financial supporter), Rev. Louis Farrakha, Rashid Khalidi, for spokesman for the former terrorist organization, the PLO, and other assorted and sundry characters would hardly qualify Obama to the highest office in the land. He has served in the Illinois Senate for four years (with mostly present votes) and four years in the U.S. Senate (no worthwhile legislation) two of which are on the campaign trail for president. His singular achievement might be his four 'nay' votes in the Illinois Senate against a bill to save the lives of babies born alive due to botched abortions... Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the low information voters elect Obama even after reading the highly rational and independent analysis below then they would have committed treason. Mario asks: Santosh, I re-read the excerpt that you have chosen from the post by Chris Vaz and your response above, and fail to see how they would have committed treason. At most they would have committed ignorance, since, even allowing for some rhetorical flourishes by Chris, the essential facts are all fairly accurate, and stand unrebutted on Goanet. Santosh wrote: Some indisputable facts that were inadvertently left out from this insightful missive are that this Osama is a Muslim and an anti-American Marxist. Also, having been born in the Arab country Kenya, he is an Arab, not a decent family man. Mario responds: I detect some sarcasm here, unless you have suddenly woken up this morning reincarnated as what we would call a far right wing loon when you refer to Obama as a Muslim and anti-American Marxist, and an Arab born in Kenya:-)) No responsible political opponent of Obama has referred to him as a Muslim. In fact, his opponent is on record as telling an ignorant supporter that Obama is not an Arab and is a decent family man. Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Obama is unquestionably a decent family man, and his place of birth would not, by itself, disqualify him if at least one of his parents was an American citizen when he was born. Though some of his close political and religious associates and mentors from Chicago are clearly anti-American and avowed Marxists and unrepentant domestic anarchists, I would not describe Obama as an anti-American Marxist. However, Obama has clearly professed a belief in certain Marxist economic principles, having to do with higher tax rates on upper income Americans, which may or may not increase actual taxes collected, redistributing wealth by government fiat and sharply increasing the role of government in the day-to-day lives of citizens, principles that have never been used to the extent he is suggesting in the USA previously. In my opinion, a big loser of an Obama presidency will be India, mainly because of the deeper economic slowdown that will result if he lets the Bush tax rate cuts lapse, which will raise the tax rates for all Americans, even before he implements his own tax plans, and the protectionist trade policies he has already promised his union supporters will be among his highest priorities. Which is why I find it amusing and ironic to see his support among Indians in America and India. Not to mention their ignorance of the contempt that many educated African-Americans hold for educated Indians. Anyway, Chris has listed his concluding expectations in some detail, and we will be able to monitor these in the months and years to come - if Obama wins of course.
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--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even though he was listed as a Muslim as a small child on a school registration form in Indonesia, Obama has been a practicing Christian for the last twenty years, courtesy his mentor and close family friend, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who also professes an Afro-centric version of Marxism known as Black Liberation Theology. Dang! I forgot to mention this. Also, George was kind enough to give us a lot of information that I was not aware of. The biased Obamamania mainstream media has a worldwide conspiracy to hide such important information. In addition to the above, there are many other conspiracies. Let me just add a few before the polls close. It might be too late otherwise. Focus on the term community organizer, and ask yourself who else was one. Yes, Charles Manson, the murderer! Indeed, Obama is part of a sinister community organization that is home to many murderous cults. There is also an Afro-centric conspiracy to redistribute America's wealth with Africa, and spread that wealth to Obama's many lazy and impoverished relatives who are living in Kenya, Indonesia and other Arab countries like that, as well as several who are living as illegal immigrants in public housing in the U.S. Joe, the plumber has been approached to install complimentary tankless water heaters for them. Another conspiracy is that Obama has signed a secret pact with Hamaz and Fatah to liberate Jerusalem from Israel. There are also conspiracies with mainstream media to hide the fact that more school children have died on the streets of Chicago over the past 5 years under Osama's watch than soldiers in Iraq, and with Black Panthers to rig the polls in Philadelphia. Cheers, Santosh
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The collapse of the western banking system was triggered?last year. It was because?mortgage lenders in California were aggressively marketing loans to people who?were not qualified. This could only happen because?banking laws, that?were?in place since the 1920's, were removed. You can blame Jimmy Carter or anyone else for this years crises. The fact is that people are blaming Bush and the person who voted 90% of the time with him. Mario responds: This is false. The lowering of lending standards was taking place across the US, not just California. This started under President Carter and was expanded under President Clinton when his attorney general was threatening banks with lawsuits if they did not comply. This situation has nothing to do with obsolete banking laws from the 20's. Two years John McCain tried to oppose what was happening and was voted down by the Democrats, including Obama, who were all intent on spreading the wealth by forcing the banks to lend to low income people, who eventually were unable to repay their loans.. In western Europe, where there are far more regulations and controls the situation is just as bad if nor worse. So, much for regulations, when one political party is intent on spreading the wealth. Those blaming Bush and McCain are just plain ignorant of the facts. Mervyn wrote: Obama's career has been focused on helping the poor in Chicago. Mario responds: The attempt to help the poor to buy houses they could not afford is what is at the core of the financial mess. Mervyn wrote: BTW, if any conservative is thinking of leaving the US, welcome to Canada. We have a conservative govt and the best banking system in the world. Mario responds: Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India.
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2008/11/4 Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is high hope indeed, based on the experience or lack thereof of Obama. No one has yet been able to provide any evidence of accomplishment on the part of Obama. COMMENT: For F's sake does it matter in a democracy, you guys espouse to abide by? You are sore loosers - does not matter if the Guy is a donkey; the electorate chose him and you should be gracious enough to accept defeat! You don't like him you can always scoot back to India, where you came from, India needs people with your vibrance. Lots of Indians waiting for taxi jobs in Newyork - I had such a ball watching Sky News the big brother of Foxif your want the word on the street ask an NY taxi driver - they were all Indians...rooting for Obama! Now go eat humble pie or as the original inhabitants of the Continent would say 'go eat crow' -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
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Mario Goveia wrote: Those who want to move to a second world country could move back to India. Mario, Your President elect is from a third world country. What follows is that he will make all his cronies rich while destroying the economy. Oops, that was done by your current President. Mervyn3.0 __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/
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Well, the people of the United States have spoken. My Fellow GoaNetters Mario and Chris AKA Cajie De NJ just don't seem to get it. By the way, I didn't choose the title of this thread to call people on GoaNet stupid. It was a phrase that I believe, was coined by a former Democratic strategist named James Carville, way back when Clinton was running for the Presidency - a time when the then President (Bush's father) had no clue about the status of the economy. The mumbo-jumbo you guys have been feeding on GoaNet, about Mr Bush and his crappy policies - would be a good sell with some redneck crowd in the middle of the country. American's, including those of Goan origin, are far more intelligent to understand that, when it comes to putting food on the table - Bush was dead wrong. For this, the Republican party paid a heavy price tonight. Barack shall work with you guys, as well as the Democrats, to ensure the economy turns around and create more opportunities than we ever had in the past eight years. If you aren't yet ready to digest the fact that Barack would be our new President come January, I'd recommend you guys to go hibernate for the next 8 years (not just 4) and wake up in 2016. By then, the world would be a lot peaceful place, we shall have a much stronger economy and America would have mended strained relationships with many other nations overseas. Jim Fernandes. New York. -- Original message -- From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just ask yourself two basic questions: 1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years? 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years? As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world. Mario responds: Jim, I wish you wouldn't go around calling people stupid while living in what may be a glass house. You say, ...there's no question...? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants. In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place. It also depends on which facts are important to you. Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes. He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals. By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with. In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a weak horse who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the strong horse. The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz. The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer. The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered unsavory characters. All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone
[Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:22:39 + From: Jim Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just ask yourself two basic questions: 1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years? 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years? As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world. Mario responds: Jim, I wish you wouldn't go around calling people stupid while living in what may be a glass house. You say, ...there's no question...? Of course there is a question, if you use cold facts and not pure emotion. To begin with there is no such thing as a Texas oil mafia. Perhaps you are unaware that it is the Democrats that have blocked all new oil exploration and drilling in and around the continental USA, have opposed new oil refineries from being built since 1976, have opposed coal fired power plants, have opposed oil shale mining, have opposed building new nuclear power plants. In addition, the US economy grew for seven of the last eight years after Clinton left office and handed Bush an economic slowdown, and had weakened our defense and intelligence capabilities which enabled 9/11 to take place. It also depends on which facts are important to you. Bill Clinton's first budget proposal in 1993 showed $200 BILLION in deficits for every year in the budget period, which proves he had no clue as to how to control deficits, even with his increased taxes. He was bailed out by a) the revolution in computer and communications technology and the dot.com phenomenon, which the government had nothing to do with, and b) The Contract with America when the Republicans took control of both houses of Congress and implemented balanced budget proposals after the debacle of Hillary Clinton's health care proposals. By the end of the Clinton presidency the economy was in decline leaving President Bush with a recession to deal with. In addition, the Clinton presidency, by failing to respond to the series of attacks on the US and US interests throughout the 90's emboldened Osama Bin Laden to ostentatiously declare was on the US, and call the US a weak horse who would be unable to defend itself against Al Qaeda, which he called the strong horse. The Clinton administration also refused to take Bin Laden after he was offered up by Sudan THREE times, because Clinton said he did not have legal probable cause to hold him even though Bin Laden had taken credit for several attacks by then. This has been documented by Pakistani businessman and the go-between, Mansoor Ijaz. The Clinton administration also refused to give the CIA permission to shoot when they had Bin Laden in their sights in Afghanistan THIRTEEN times. This has been documented by the CIA agent in charge of the operation, Michael Scheuer. The Clinton administration also banned the CIA and FBI from sharing information on terrorist movements and banned the CIA from gathering information from people they considered unsavory characters. All this led directly to the attack on 9/11/2001 right in your backyard in NY. I doubt you or anyone else on 9/15/2001 believed that Al Qaeda would not attack the US again, but they have been unable to do so now for over seven years, mainly because the Clintons and the Democrats were no longer running the country in the immediate aftermath of 9/11. After the Bush tax rate cuts in 2002 - 2003 the US economy had seven years of moderate growth with low inflation, until the house of cards that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton had built by forcing the banks to lower lending standards in order to spread the wealth to low income Americans who would normally rent their houses, came tumbling down bringing the stock market with it. This may be a good point to remind readers that the financial mess extends to several major countries in Europe and the Far East, which have far more stringent controls over their economies, which has led to a resurgence in the value of the US$. Jim Fernandes wrote: We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen. Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html Mario responds: The war was only stupid from the point of view of a small number of Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and Iraq, and their allies in Syria and Iran, and from the point of view of political critics of America. It was hardly stupid from the point of view of the 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who were previously brutalized by Muslim tyrants, and now have a real chance at freedom and democracy. If not for the radicals they would have been
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Bosco D'Mello wrote: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up. Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show. Bosco, I guess you are happy because you got out in time. The people who are REALLY happy are those that shorted the markets betting that the financial situation is so bad that it could only get worse. These shorters are still having a ball. You know what Mario says..first Barack has to win this week. I had to say itbefore he says it again for the nth time. I have in my hand, an invitation for an Obama victory party, in Kisumu, Kenya. Goans there and those who used to be there will be rejoicing the entire year. Indonesia will have similar parties. In Chicago, there is going to be dancing in the streets, a million people dancing. The Mayor of Chicago is now requesting people not to turn up for the party. In Toronto, the party is at my place. Starts Tuesday morning, runs over to the weekend. Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
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I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system. Chris comments: If Jim had taken the trouble to do a little research -- and be less judgmental -- he would have discovered that George Bush had inherited an economy in recession.. Through the introduction of the two tax cuts the economy recovered and the country prospered through his presidency, with the exception of the current year. Annual GDP was in excess of 3%, which is considered excellent for a country like the US, with a developed economy. Unemployment was at 5%, the lowest in decades. Interest rates were also low. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mario will have more to say on this subject, in his inimitable fashion, but let us lay the blame for the current malaise where it rightfully belongs -- on the Democrats, who brought on the current fiscal mess. It will take a little explanation, but here in brief, is the timeline: In 1977, Jimmy Carter, pressed by grassroots organizations, signed the Community Reinvestment Act to boost home ownership in poorer communities, by making home loans affordableregardless of the borrowers' ability to repay the loans.. In the 1990s community organiser Barack Obama worked closely with ACORN activists, employing intimidation tactics of radical activist Saul Alinsky. These activists crowded bank offices, blocked drive-up teller lanes and demonstrated at the homes of bankers to browbeat them into lending to poor and minority communities. Those banks who resisted were accused of racism In fact, BO was co-plaintiff with Acorn in a discrimination lawsuit against Citibank. Rep Jim Leach warned about the impending damage that nonregulated GSEs (Govt Service Enterprises) posed. He worried that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae would be transforming these agencies into money machines for the stockholding few. Rep Barney Frank, the then and current chairman of the Financial Services Committee, countered that the agencies served a public purpose.. In 1994 Bill Clinton exacerbated the situation, addressing the housing issue thus: I am committed to an unprecedented partnership between industry and community leaders and government to recommit our nation to the idea of home ownership and to create more homeowners than ever before. . In 1995 Republicans won control of Congress and planned reform of the CRA. The Clinton admin aligned with Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy and Maxine Waters (D-Cal) and did an end around and directed then HUD Secy to inject GSEs into the subprime market. Cuomo said GSE presence in the subprime market could be of significant benefit to lower income families, minorities and families living in underserved areas. In 1998, by falsifying signatures on Fannie Mae transactions, $200 million was transferred to later periods, triggering $27 million in bonuses to top FAnnie Mae executives. Treasury Secy Larry Summers issued this warning: Debates about systemic risk should also include GSEs, which are large, and growing rapidly... Disregarding warnings, and under pressure from the Clinton admin, Fannie Mae eased credit requirements on loans it would purchase from lenders, making it easier for lending to borrowers unqualified for conventional loans. NINJA (No Income, Job verification or Assets) loans became the rule rather than the exception. In 2000 the Senate Banking Committee noted that as a result of the CRA, $9.5 billion in expenses had been given to ACORN and other organizations. (It must be noted here that Barack Obama was an ACORN lactivist trainer, their lawyer, and the second largest recipient of Fannie Mae's largesse).. Several individuals and organizations, including the WSJ, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Treas.Secy John Snow, Repub senators Chuck Hagel, Eliz. Dole, John Sunnunu and John McCain, as also Rep Richard Baker (R-La) all warned that financial trouble of large GSEs could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affectng federaly insured entities and economic activity. Sens Sunnunu, Dole, Hagel and Mel Martinez introduced legislation to improve GSE oversight. They got nowhere. In 2004, Rep. Maxine Waters said We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac and particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstading leadership of Franklin Raines (who went home with a $90m million bonus along with other top executives with similar outrageous bonuses and salaries). Barney Frank told Treasury Sec. Snow: I do not think we are facing any kind of crisis Click on the link below: http:// in.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ Finally in 2007-08, the housing bubble began to burst, bad mortages began to default, and the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac portfolios were revealed to be in
[Goanet] It's the economy, stupid !!!
I expect the current US elections to be a non-event. Its a foregone conclusion that the grand old elephant would collapse with its own weight. Its a good feeling to know that my horse ... errr ... the donkey is in top form - sleek, agile and ofcourse packed with a high powered delivery system. But let's not be complacent. If you are still undecided, then here's what I'd like you to do. Just ask yourself two basic questions: 1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years? 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years? As far as I am concerned, there's no question that the Republican party (along with the Texas Oil Mafia) screwed up this country big time in the last eight years. I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world. I am also hoping that the democrats get the 60 seats in the US Senate to make their agenda filibuster proof. In normal circumstances, I'd want to have the Congress ruled by a different party than that of the President, so that they maintain checks and balances. But these are abnormal times that require the support of more than a simple majority, to get this ship moving in the right direction. We need to end this stupid war in Iraq quickly and raise taxes on the rich. If Obama wins, these two things are guaranteed to happen. Please take a moment and check out what the below graph tells you: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html Warm regards, Jim Fernandes New York.
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Jim Fernandes wrote: Just ask yourself two basic questions: 1. Am I better off today (in Bush years), or was I better off during the Clinton years? RESPONSE: Better off in the Bush years. Got out before the earth opened-up. Your tips from Wall St were a No-Show. 2. Is the US better off today or was it better off during the Clinton years? RESPONSE: Who cares? Clinton is not coming back. Dude.seems like you've returned from all-day binge-drinking of O'Bama Kool-Aid!!! No news from you for months and then you come down Main St swinging in all directions after cleaning out Wall St.:-)) I am hopeful that Barack and his Democratic party would change the course of this nation, for a better America and for a peaceful world. RESPONSE: You know what Mario says..first Barack has to win this week. I had to say itbefore he says it again for the nth time. Peaceful World??? There's a new world somewhere, they call the promised land and I'll be there someday..Jimmy, sounds like the end of somebody's nuptials!! To all Americans, Happy Voting Day!! As Jimmy says you could potentially hopeful ..change the course of this (American) nation. - B PS. All the congratulatory messages, postcards, ball-caps, T-shirts are printed and ready.in Moira. Contact Cecil...:-)!!
[Goanet] It's the Economy, Stupid ---- interesting!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I just loved to read the article - C'est la economie..S'il vous plaint - that appeared in GT, for I love that language. But as I continued reading, I felt my Oxygen supply is getting cut off! The phrase which Oscar quoted was tossed up by presidential advisor political strategist in James Carville, the highly regarded Democratic political operative from Louisiana's bayou country, which helped keep the 1992 Clinton campaign in focus and on message with a simple four-word phrase - It's the economy, stupid. To me his misquote appears to be his typo error (I consider it before he say's so) or may be ...another Task Force gimmick...or...? Have a re-look to his post in GT. Check how Oscar starts his article with CATCHY TITLE . and has he continues further he appears confused? He even forgot that, today American's, especially working class, are uneasy about the economy, and they are up in arms telling Bush at White House (with rephrased phrase): It's the TAX hike, stupid! Having expressed this, Oscar's confused mind, confused thinking, and or his typo mistakes - what ever it may be - has created waves, speculations, raising unwanted question marks all over Goa. Any way Goans will have to be watchful on --who says what? Nevertheless, it's interesting to take this phrase further and check it's applicability to Goa! Today in Goa, the prices of every thing - Roti, Kapda and Makan including Goan favorite FISH - the basic requirements of Aam Admi - are shooting sky high day by day! Why? Did any one paid attention to this issue? Why at all a politician should decide even what Fish Goans should be eating tomorrow and at what price? Well, friends, all this is happening at the command and blessings of our favorite Congress MLAs and Congress Ministers. Congress regime, for past 2 - 3 years, has created mess in economic security, health, housing affordability, environmental sustainability, and cultural vitality. They have not only influenced and screwed our democratic participation and public policies but compelled Aam Admi come on roads in 2007. In reality, Economy should have been the servant of society, but these politicians have changed the meaning of economy upside down and made society the servant of the economy! Above statements have been picked up by me from what I heard at GBA meetings during Regional Plan agitations, where GBA members had literarily washed congressmen using CORRUPTION soap! Same statements were also heard during anti-SEZ agitations of both the groups!!! And also during IT Park agitation Some of our Goanet members were also vocal on CORRUPTION charges against Congress regime during one or other agitations that shook Goa upside down in the year 2007! OR should I say 2008 is going to be an ERA of CHEMELIONS CORRUPTION - quick bunks quick fucks!! Friends, at the end of the day its THE FACT prevailing in Goa for which I have every reason to rephrase the original phrase of James Carville and say: IT'S CONGRESS POLITICIANS, STUPID; ITS CONGRESSMEN, STUPIED; IT'S CONGRESS SUPPORTERS, STUPID; its... (MOG ani FOG SODANCH ASPAK JAI, DEV TUMPKA BORI BUDH DIV). Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
