[Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi?
Dear Netters, This Konkani Romi / devanagri discussion has been going on for quite a long time with no way the devanagris agreeing to accept that the Romi is the real Konkani of Goa. Dr Borges the staunch supporter and the main correspondent on goanet for devanagris has been writing endlessly, his strong love for the devanagri Konkani, but what amazes me is that his correspondence is mostly in romi ( not the writing) but the pronounciations, and I wonder why he does not write his mails in devanagri,(he may use the romi script as goanet does not support the devanagri font) , and I am curious to read and see if I can understand the devanagri Konkani. Most of what is being said on doordarshan TV, in the short time allotted to Goa, just flies over my head and makes me wonder if that is the Konkani or Marathi or whatever language it is. Cheers Jerry Fernandes
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Dear friends, Discussion on this topic has indeed been going on for a long time. Yet, regretfully, abysmal ignorance thereon persists unabated; in fact, because of the non-serious participation on the internet, it has become extensive as well. The present post is a sample of this situation. Let us analyse some of its salient contents. <> 1. To the best of my knowledge, Konkani is the name of the language spoken by people living in a part of the western coastal belt of India called Konkan. Like any other language it has many dialects which are spoken in certain localities or by members of certain groups, like professions, ethnicities etc. 2. Now, is this Romi a language? If yes, where is this name recorded? I cannot claim to know the name of every language in the world but must confess that I have not heard of this one. Is it a dialect of Konkani? If yes, where is it SPOKEN (like Aldona, Agonda, Satari, Sanguem) or by which community (like fisherman, carpenter, brahmin, charddo, kunnbi, velip, Christian, Hindu etc.)? 3. What characteristics or attributes make it real as against others which may be unreal? <> Could I please see a sample or two from my "endless writing" wherein I have expressed my "strong love for the devanagari Konkani" whatever the last two words might mean? <> What is this supposed to mean? Is there something called 'romi pronunciations'? Could I be favoured with a sample of this as well? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that romi stands for a script which is used for WRITING; but here Jerry qualifies it with "not the writing". Hence my curiosity. Trust Jerry will help. <> What is the meaning of this? How can I use romi script to write in devanagari? Would it be too much to expect a clarification? <> Most of what I heard being read in the Church also flew over my head, as it is not in the Konkani language I speak at home or in the local marketplace. I too wondered whether it was Latin or Greek or whatever language. But years of dinning into my captive ears has made it intelligible; my cerebral computer has now become adept at translating the Church medium into my domestic lingo. So, if Jerry were to stick to the doordarshan TV long enough, he would surely understand what is being said, without bothering whether it is in Konkani or Marathi or whatever language. Finally, why add Dr to my name? In the past people have used such appellations to derail a discussion. Therefore please avoid it. I do understand that you cannot avoid mentioning my name, but please remember that the person behind that name is not, and should never be, the subject of discussion. Let us rationally stick to the topic. WHAT is said is important not WHO said it. In fact, WHAT is said should be able to stand on its own, irrespective of WHO said it. Sotachench zoit zatolem. Mog asum. Sebastian Borges On 17 May 2010 Jerry Fernandes wrote: Dear Netters, This Konkani Romi / devanagri discussion has been going on for quite a long time with no way the devanagris agreeing to accept that the Romi is the real Konkani of Goa. Dr Borges the staunch supporter and the main correspondent on goanet for devanagris has been writing endlessly, his strong love for the devanagri Konkani, but what amazes me is that his correspondence is mostly in romi ( not the writing) but the pronounciations, and I wonder why he does not write his mails in devanagri,(he may use the romi script as goanet does not support the devanagri font) , and I am curious to read and see if I can understand the devanagri Konkani. Most of what is being said on doordarshan TV, in the short time allotted to Goa, just flies over my head and makes me wonder if that is the Konkani or Marathi or whatever language it is. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Sebastian Borges
Re: [Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi?
Dear Borges, Thanks for your response. Although I was surprised to find that you did not understand my message, Anyway, what I meant was that I was curious to find out how different the devanagri Konkani and Romi Konkani is. Who better to show the difference than professor borges ( earlier I wrote it as dr borges). You question me as to where you have mentioned your strong love for devanagri. Well if you go thru goanet for the last few years, you will find out. And all the other writers who question you or have debates with you, on this are not blind to see that love you have for devanagri. I simply have asked you to write your replies to such correspondants in devanagri Konkani using ( abcdefghijklmnopqursuvwxyz) instead of the devanagri, as maybe goanet does not support the devanagri fonts, and maybe lots of people cannot read the devanagri script. See to it that the phonetics are as the devanagri Konkani should be. Hope you understand. If not here is an example in hindi I write. Tumara nam kya hai? Or Apka nam kya hai? Romi script but hindi words J Romi Konkani is what I understand, where as devanagri Konkni or accent is what the TV presenters speak, which goes flying over my head. Hope you understood. But than you say the Konkani spoken in Church is beyond your understanding, and it took you years to understand what was happening. Where as me, without even being taught Konkani ( as Marathi was the optional language for us than) read my first Konkani book written by Reginald Fernandes called Arabeska. I was in my 6th or 7th standard than. And that’s when I started hunting high and low for all books of Reginald Fernandes, a very good writer also called Kunvor Konkani romanshincho. The writers I read were Boniventure Peitro and also remember some other names like Caridad and Joao Inacio,. Recently I have been reading some writers on the net and you too must have come across them and mind you this all without learning Konkani in schools. Hope to read your Konkani or Konkni as is said in devanagri, in devanagri language, where by I want to see if I can really understand it at all. J Cheers Jerry Fernandes Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi? Message-ID: <819923.73626...@web113309.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear friends, Discussion on this topic has indeed been going on for a long time. Yet, regretfully, abysmal ignorance thereon persists unabated; in fact, because of the non-serious participation on the internet, it has become extensive as well. The present post is a sample of this situation. Let us analyse some of its salient contents. <> 1. To the best of my knowledge, Konkani is the name of the language spoken by people living in a part of the western coastal belt of India called Konkan. Like any other language it has many dialects which are spoken in certain localities or by members of certain groups, like professions, ethnicities etc. 2. Now, is this Romi a language? If yes, where is this name recorded? I cannot claim to know the name of every language in the world but must confess that I have not heard of this one. Is it a dialect of Konkani? If yes, where is it SPOKEN (like Aldona, Agonda, Satari, Sanguem) or by which community (like fisherman, carpenter, brahmin, charddo, kunnbi, velip, Christian, Hindu etc.)? 3. What characteristics or attributes make it real as against others which may be unreal? <> Could I please see a sample or two from my "endless writing" wherein I have expressed my "strong love for the devanagari Konkani" whatever the last two words might mean? <> What is this supposed to mean? Is there something called 'romi pronunciations'? Could I be favoured with a sample of this as well? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that romi stands for a script which is used for WRITING; but here Jerry qualifies it with "not the writing". Hence my curiosity. Trust Jerry will help. <> What is the meaning of this? How can I use romi script to write in devanagari? Would it be too much to expect a clarification? <> Most of what I heard being read in the Church also flew over my head, as it is not in the Konkani language I speak at home or in the local marketplace. I too wondered whether it was Latin or Greek or whatever language. But years of dinning into my captive ears has made it intelligible; my cerebral computer has now become adept at translating the Church medium into my domestic lingo. So, if Jerry were to stick to the doordarshan TV long enough, he would surely understand what is being said, without bothering whether it is in Konkani or Marathi or whatever language. Finally, why add Dr to my name? In the past people have used such appellations to derail a discussion. Therefore please avoid it. I do understand that you cannot avoid mentioning my name, but please remember that the person behind that name is not, and should never
Re: [Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi?
On 22 May 2010 00:23, Jerry Fernandes wrote: > Hope to read your Konkani or Konkni as is said in devanagri, in devanagri > language, where by I want to see if I can really understand it at all. J Dialect is different from script, though they do get intertwined in the Goa of today. FN
Re: [Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi?
Jerry, a small correction: Reginaldo Fernandes was 'Romansincho Patxai' (King of Konkani novels) and not 'Romansincho Kunvor' (Prince of Konkani novels), as you wrote. Dev borem korum. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201 And that’s when I started hunting high and low for all books of Reginald Fernandes, a very good writer also called Kunvor Konkani romanshincho. _ South Cinema This Decade http://entertainment.in.msn.com/southcinemathisdecade/
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Dear Domnic, Nice to hear from you. Thanks for correcting my error, yes its indeed Late Reginald Fernandes was the Romansincho Patxai. Sad part is that his books are no more available and many of our younger generation are missing on the most wonderful stories ever told. And neither the government the imposer of the devanagri script, is doing anything to take the translating and printing rights so that they can be translated in devanagri for those who read that script. Thanks once again. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani - devanagri or Romi?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Jerry, a small correction: Reginaldo Fernandes was 'Romansincho Patxai' (King of Konkani novels) and not 'Romansincho Kunvor' (Prince of Konkani novels), as you wrote. Dev borem korum. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201 And that?s when I started hunting high and low for all books of Reginald Fernandes, a very good writer also called Kunvor Konkani romanshincho.
