Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
I had posted the following message on Goanet on January 11, 2006. Hope it helps: http://lists.goanet.org/htdig.cgi/goanet-goanet.org/2006-January/124084.html Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna, Goa Mob: 9420979201 _ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Domnic Fernandes wrote: I had posted the following message on Goanet on January 11, 2006. Hope it helps: http://lists.goanet.org/htdig.cgi/goanet-goanet.org/2006-January/124084.html Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes, Thanks for making it clear that Malaika is a Swahili song. Last weekend, I was at a party where I heard a verse of Silent Night sung in Konkani. It did sound beautiful. Mervyn1214Lobo __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song? II
Frederick Noronha wrote: Thanks Domnic! Why didn't FR include this in Greatest Konkani Song Hits? FN, Domnic clearly stated that Malaika is a Swahili song. If you were able to comprehend this, you would not have made the comment above. And now what will happen to this Greatest Is-Malaika-A-Konkani-Song Debate? There is no debate. Every one agrees that Malaika is a Swahili song. There is one person, however, who refuses to accept so. I suspect it will just kontinueee... because it's not about song :-) FN FN, 1) The subject matter is clear in the heading. 2) I have asked only one simple question. 3) You still refuse to give your answer to this simple question 4) Whether or not you are aware of it, you are putting your characteristics up on display. 5) Out of curiosity, I would like to know what is on your mind when you state, because it's not about song Mervyn1210Lobo Though authority be a stubborn bear, yet he is oft led by the nose with gold. - William Shakespeare - __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song? II
Mervyn Lobo wrote: [a] FN, there is no debate. Every one agrees that Malaika is a Swahili song. There is one person, however, who refuses to accept so. [b] FN, 3) You still refuse to give your answer to this simple question 4) Whether or not you are aware of it, you are putting your characteristics up on display. -- Dear Mervyn, A new bit of information from the 'Specious Nooj Network' states that Malaika is indeed a Konkani/Hindi word. The word was transported to East Africa by Goanese cook, butlers and tailors. These Goanese were considered to be unable to perform meaningful tasks like running their own affairs etc But I did digress. Malai = Cream Kha (or Ka as the Goanese pronounce the word) = Eat It was reserved for the person who ate (a lot of) cream and After one such an event .. A beautiful daughter was born to his wife She was named Malaika Now there you have it. j
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song? II
Knowing how Noronha operates in cyberspace and in print media, it is not surprising to see why Mervyn is having such difficulty obtaining a straight answer to a simple question from him. However, there still seems to be something strange about this episode. Why is Noronha behaving in this manner? What is he hiding? Wink wink, nudge nudge. Cheers, Santosh --- On Wed, 12/2/09, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: FN, 1) The subject matter is clear in the heading. 2) I have asked only one simple question. 3) You still refuse to give your answer to this simple question 4) Whether or not you are aware of it, you are putting your characteristics up on display. 5) Out of curiosity, I would like to know what is on your mind when you state, because it's not about song
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Mervyn Lobo wrote: FN, This is really disappointing. There is no Goan who would claim that Malaika is a Konkani song. You were sent the opportunity to give a yes/no reply to my simple question, the answer which each and every Goan should know, but you could not get yourself to do the right thing. Let me remind you that I did not bring up this subject. You introduced the subject unprovoked and for no reason at all. Colaco, the other accused, also requested info on how he was tied to this subject and you have not been courteous enough to answer his simple question. == == COMMENT: My dear Mervyn, I understand that some politicians make statements without any regard for the truth. I suppose, some Journos attended the same school as those lying politicians. wrt MALAIKA, I am not so sure what you mean by There is no Goan who WOULD claim that Malaika is a Konkani song. HELLO!! Did you mean to say: Nobody COULD LEGITIMATELY claim that Malaika is a Konkani song (As of Nov 30, 2009)? In any event, let us see if Frederick Noronha can find the time to provide a simple answer to your (apparently) very complicated question: Is Malaika a Konkani song? YES or NO. BTW, I also did not know that the following were Konkani songs i.e. Encosta Tua Cabecinha, Maria Isabel, Cadiza-za-za Olha Policia. That having been said, may I add here that - I found Francis Rodrigues' musical effort, not only very creative and commendable but also very timely and crucial to the maintenance of the Goan sing-along tradition. It surely needed some significant time, funding and effort and not everyone has the talent and drive to achieve what Francis achieved. Someone needed to do it and I am happy that Francis took on the task and was able to complete this phase of the project. That is not the point being discussed here. It is the matter of detail and appropriateness. A tiny switch of the word from Konkani to Goan would have been sufficient. (I believe). They were, after all, Goan favourites. I am sure Francis will take this critique as being constructive ...and make the necessary adjustment for his next edition. I also hope that Francis does the necessary paperwork to help him include a few songs from Ulhas Buyao in the next album. I personally believe that the Song Book is an absolute MUST for Goan get-togethers. I certainly intend to buy some copies as gifts (if I can locate them). Hopefully, Francis will post the site/address from where the books can be purchased. The other question (referred to above) . I am sure Frederick will answer it in due course. My present recollection is that this is my first comment on Francis' effort. So, I do not know what Frederick could be 'talking' about. But ...hey, I could be wrong ...and if so ...I will stand corrected. NOW there is still the May 2006 LIE which Frederick Noronha has not withdrawn despite several reminders. good wishes jc [1] Frederick Noronha made the following statement on May 31, 2006: What cheeses me off is you'll guys who propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-May/130006.html [2] JC: Fred Noronha may wish to publicly identify the GUYS who HE says propound this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory. Once he does so he may then wish to provide us with reference to the posts which lead him believe that. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-May/130059.html [3] Frederick Noronha identified the guys thus: Among a handful of others, mainly those Colaco types. Bernardo, Paulo and Jose, for instance. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-May/130076.html [4] JC in May 2006: Fred will surely provide us PROOF that Paulo and Jose (atleast) have propounded this colonialism-started-in-1961 theory. IF he does not, he is Lying. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-May/130084.html
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
J. Colaco wrote: I understand that some politicians make statements without any regard for the truth. I suppose, some Journos attended the same school as those lying politicians. Doc, The situation here is often described as the 'axis of weasels.' The politician can only get away without telling the truth if there are enough journalist who refuse to accept the truth too. wrt MALAIKA, I am not so sure what you mean by There is no Goan who WOULD claim that Malaika is a Konkani song. HELLO!! Did you mean to say: Nobody COULD LEGITIMATELY claim that Malaika is a Konkani song (As of Nov 30, 2009)? In any event, let us see if Frederick Noronha can find the time to provide a simple answer to your (apparently) very complicated question: Is Malaika a Konkani song? YES or NO. The bottom line is that FN is not going to give a yes/no answer to the question. His actions, so far, indicate that he will try every avenue he knows to avoid answering the question. Unfortunately, for me, and perhaps other here, this inability by FN is turning out to be a great disappointment. Mervyn1200Lobo We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/
[Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Frederick Noronha wrote: Instead of seeing a threat in every situation, we need to find new possibilities there. Before cyberspace came along in the mid-1990s, things were far more disconnected. Today, at least you have an ex-Africander sitting in Canada writing a book on Konkani music (together with another Goan in Canada, one in Bahamas, and someone in Goa poking fun and asking since when Malaika became a Konkani song, etc). - FN, For the record, can you state clearly in you believe that Malaika is a Konkani song? Mervyn1177Lobo __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Mervyn, Haven't you heard the Konkani version? FN 2009/11/30 Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca: Frederick Noronha wrote: Instead of seeing a threat in every situation, we need to find new possibilities there. Before cyberspace came along in the mid-1990s, things were far more disconnected. Today, at least you have an ex-Africander sitting in Canada writing a book on Konkani music (together with another Goan in Canada, one in Bahamas, and someone in Goa poking fun and asking since when Malaika became a Konkani song, etc). - FN, For the record, can you state clearly in you believe that Malaika is a Konkani song? Mervyn1177Lobo -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Frederick Noronha wrote: one in Bahamas, and someone in Goa poking fun and asking since when Malaika became a Konkani song, etc). RESPONSE: Is it OK for me to ask Frederick to please a: Provide proof of someone in The Bahamas having poked fun and asked since when Malaika became a Konkani song which BTW it isn't. b: If Frederick is unable to provide such proof - to withdraw this nonsense IF someone from The Bahamas has poked the above fun, I will organise to seek an apology from that person. jc
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Mervyn Lobo wrote: FN, For the record, can you state clearly in you believe that Malaika is a Konkani song? Mervyn1177Lobo Frederick Noronha replied: Mervyn, Haven't you heard the Konkani version? FN Ok, FN. Perhaps my typo threw you off. Let me make the query easier. In your opinion, is Malaika a Konkani song, yes or no? Mervyn1172Lobo BTW, I have heard Malaika sung in English, German, Spanish, French and Mandarin. Frederick Noronha wrote: Instead of seeing a threat in every situation, we need to find new possibilities there. Before cyberspace came along in the mid-1990s, things were far more disconnected. Today, at least you have an ex-Africander sitting in Canada writing a book on Konkani music (together with another Goan in Canada, one in Bahamas, and someone in Goa poking fun and asking since when Malaika became a Konkani song, etc). __ The new Internet Explorer® 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Hi Mervyn, Of course you're right. But this only underlines my initial point -- when you guys are taking digs at one another (Africander-in-Canada versus Africander-in-Canada about music-in-Goan-Konkani-made-largely-in-Bombay and a song-from-Africa) only underlines that *before cyberspace came along in the mid-1990s, things were far more disconnected.* And to repeat another point I made, *so what if we disagree vehemently? At least we're getting onto a common page!* As for whether Malaika being a Konkani song or not, I think someone should render it into a Konkani version, sometime soon. At least then we won't have to use that as an excuse for taking pot-shots at the work of someone whom we have a bone to pick with, probably for some other reasons :-) FN 2009/11/30 Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca: Let me make the query easier. In your opinion, is Malaika a Konkani song, yes or no? -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Malaika: A konkani Song?
Mervyn Lobo wrote to FN: Let me make the query easier. In your opinion, is Malaika a Konkani song, yes or no? To which Frederick Noronha replied: Hi Mervyn, Of course you're right. FN, This is really disappointing. There is no Goan who would claim that Malaika is a Konkani song. You were sent the opportunity to give a yes/no reply to my simple question, the answer which each and every Goan should know, but you could not get yourself to do the right thing. And to repeat another point I made, *so what if we disagree vehemently? At least we're getting onto a common page!* The problem is more serious than that. What Goanet has turned into, is a yapping club. While Goa is being debauched and raped by mining conglomerates, the drug mafia and the gambling contractors, those supposedly guarding Goanet are: 1) encouraging petty debates 2) now actively engaged in them too. As for whether Malaika being a Konkani song or not, I think someone should render it into a Konkani version, sometime soon. At least then we won't have to use that as an excuse for taking pot-shots at the work of someone whom we have a bone to pick with, probably for some other reasons :-) Let me remind you that I did not bring up this subject. You introduced the subject unprovoked and for no reason at all. Doc Colaco, the other accused, also requested info on how he was tied to this subject and you have not been courteous enough to answer his simple question. Mervyn1177Lobo __ Make your browsing faster, safer, and easier with the new Internet Explorer® 8. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/
